From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #263 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 11 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 263 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cover News - Judy Collins NJC [Anita G ] Re: Cover News - Judy Collins NJC [Anita G ] Re: New Library item: Roberta makes it as Joni ["Phyliss" ] Re: Cover News Judy Collins [Sharon Watkins ] Re: New Library item: Roberta makes it as Joni [LC Stanley ] Re: Laura Marling's new album (njc) - and a bit of PJ Harney [Lieve Recke] Scandinavian Jonifest 2013 [B Lux ] hairstyle rant [betsyblue82@gmail.com] RE: Laura Marling's new album (njc) - and a bit of PJ Harney ["Richard Fl] Re: hairstyle rant [Jamie Zubairi Home ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:52:24 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Cover News - Judy Collins NJC All this talk of Judy Collins reminds me so much of dear departed Mum who had a couple of Judy Collins albums, but would always show her way around music by turning her nose up at covers she didn't like. This was particularly true of 'Both Sides Now' (Mum would say 'It's good, but she's not Joni,is she?'), 'Who Knows Where The Time Goes' ('It's good, but she's not Sandy, is she?') and 'Send In The Clowns' (Where she'd say 'She sings it beautifully, but once you've heard Glynis Johns.....'). And, of course, we have the first two of these songs (Joni and Sandy) at Mum's funeral in February. Mum really loved the Judy Collins' song 'My Father', especially, I suspect, because of its reference to France, and Mum (sharing with Lieve, a Belgian heritage) had a French Father, Theo, who died when she was just 4. Gosh, I have missed my Mum this week. It's good to remember her love of music - and her critique of things she felt were not as 'good as the orginals'. Maybe she though they weren't 'authentic' :~)) Thanks for this thread that brings so many memories to me! Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:01:50 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Cover News - Judy Collins NJC I followed the email I just wrote by watching the link Paul sent to Judy's My Father. There just simply aren't enough tissues in the house......It must be just where I am at the moment, but, goodness, it's simply a wonderful performance. Thanks Paul! Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 07:36:15 -0400 From: "Phyliss" Subject: Re: New Library item: Roberta makes it as Joni My sister's name is Roberta and she was born the same year... http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2416 - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: That's a cool little article - I forget that her real first name was Roberta. Wonder if she had kept "Roberta" as her stage name, would "Roberta" evoke the same thoughts as "Joni" does? Probably so...what did Willy the Shake say about a rose by any other name? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:46:15 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Roberta makes it as Joni Roberta certainly worked for Roberta Flack lol !!!!! Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:01:27 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Re: Cover News Judy Collins It was by way of Judy Collins that I found Joni. Kept hearing and loving Joni's songs on Judy's albums. So when I finally saw Joni's albums in the store, I bought them never having actually heard her (Joni wasn't played on the radio in my town). I attended one of Judy's concerts in Fort Worth around 1980ish. She was wonderful, mesmerizing and seemed equally captivated by the audience. The next day the newspaper review said if you could bottle the essence and love that was in that auditorium There would be no problems in the world! I still like Judy but to me she is more of a great cover artist. comparing her with Joni is like comparing apples and oranges. Sharon in Texas Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:09:24 -0500 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: New Library item: Roberta makes it as Joni Hi Bob, That would make you scrobertaguy@yahoo.com, which is true - you are Robert a guy. There is something to a stage name. Robert Zimmerman - Bob Dylan. Richard Starkey - Ringo Starr. Reginald Dwight - Elton John. Elvis didn't change. Then there is Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young where they found a rhythm in that order of names they chose. Roses come in different colors. Joni and Mitchell go good together, but Joan and Anderson do too. However, the colors in the names are different to me. Joan Anderson gives me a feeling of earth tones like orange, brown, yellow, and green for a folk feel. Whereas, the colors in the words Joni Mitchell are white, purple, and light yellow giving me a feeling of a wide variety of sounds. So if Joni had stayed with just folk, Joan Anderson would have fit. But she really opened up the door for her own creativity using the name Joni Mitchell in my opinion. I wonder did most people call her "Joni" when she was growing up? Love, Laura On Sep 10, 2011, at 6:36 AM, "Phyliss" wrote: > My sister's name is Roberta and she was born the same year... > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2416 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: > > That's a cool little article - I forget that her real first name was > Roberta. > Wonder if she had kept "Roberta" as her stage name, would "Roberta" evoke > the > same thoughts as "Joni" does? Probably so...what did Willy the Shake say > about > a rose by any other name? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:33:11 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Laura Marling's new album (njc) Thanks for this Paul. I think I listened to a track or two of Laura's that you or other people have posted and they didn't really resonate with me. But I listened to the entire cd and heard many interesting things. I like the instrumentation on this record and would love to have a listing of the instruments and musicians for each track. There was something familiar about the voice on this record - am I hearing Joni? Rickie Lee? who? Finally it occurred to me that I was hearing Jane Siberry in a lot of Laura's singing. Did this occur to anybody else? Not a clone of Jane, just echoes here and there. Also the song 'Night After Night' made me think of Leonard Cohen. The guitar and the melody really sounded like it could have been one of his songs. I would also like to see a lyric sheet. Maybe all of this just means I will have to buy this cd. There have been other 'new' artists whose cds I have ventured to buy, listened to once and then never again. So I'm a bit hesitant. And any time someone is compared to Joni I am immediately skeptical. Mark in Seattle just an old fogy (not folkie) - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Castle Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Laura Marling's new album (njc) There's a full stream of Laura Marling's new album 'A Creature I Don't Know' on Guardian music blog @ http://bit.ly/qTyKdT Love it on first listen! After a tour of the States and Canada starting in SF on Sept 17 (including The Troubadour in LA on 20th), she's returning to the UK in October to do a tour of 12 UK Cathedrals - http://www.lauramarling.com/tour/ best to all PaulC NP Laura Marling - The Muse (A Creature I Don't Know) http://blip.fm/~17cl6h ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:14:00 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Laura Marling's new album (njc) - and a bit of PJ Harney Hi Mark, I feel the same about many of the points you make. "Night After Night" definitely sounds like Cohen to me, especially in the guitar sound. And I too, have often bought CDs that I liked at first listen, bought them and then abandoned them after having heard them a few more times. When then years later I decide to give them another go, telling myself off for giving up too easily, I find I like them even less and wonder why on earth I ever bought them... And yes, comparisons to Joni are often a deterrent to me too. "Uh oh, here comes another disappointment!" is what it makes me think. It's like falling in love, isn't it? You can't fall in love with someone because he's just like others you fell in love with before, that would always be a disappointment. You've got to fall for the uniqueness, the surprise. So by definition, you don't know what ingredients are going to make up the new love. And someone can put a lot of fine ingredients together, but the final result just does not do the trick. I'm still not 100% sure that this Laura Marling CD is going to be really loved by me. At first listen I thought it really was, but listening again I am vacillating. I am sure I would love this music at a live gig, but to listen to in the quiet of my home, I find that Laura's way of singing, by "speaking" rather than "singing" the last words of many lines, rather grinds with me. The instrumentation is great, though. And talking of nice ingredients that still somehow don't win my heart, that is how I feel about PJ Harney. She's won the Mercury music prize for the 2nd time, this time with her CD 'Let England Shake', a concept album about war. It's all clever and talented, but I don't listen with any musical enjoyment to it. Personal taste is beyond logic, and maybe just as well! Lieve in London >________________________________ >From: Mark >To: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2011, 19:33 >Subject: Re: Laura Marling's new album (njc) > >Thanks for this Paul. I think I listened to a track or two of Laura's that you or other people have posted and they didn't really resonate with me. But I listened to the entire cd and heard many interesting things. I like the instrumentation on this record and would love to have a listing of the instruments and musicians for each track. > >There was something familiar about the voice on this record - am I hearing Joni? Rickie Lee? who? Finally it occurred to me that I was hearing Jane Siberry in a lot of Laura's singing. Did this occur to anybody else? Not a clone of Jane, just echoes here and there. > >Also the song 'Night After Night' made me think of Leonard Cohen. The guitar and the melody really sounded like it could have been one of his songs. > >I would also like to see a lyric sheet. Maybe all of this just means I will have to buy this cd. There have been other 'new' artists whose cds I have ventured to buy, listened to once and then never again. So I'm a bit hesitant. And any time someone is compared to Joni I am immediately skeptical. > >Mark in Seattle >just an old fogy (not folkie) > >-----Original Message----- From: Paul Castle >Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:47 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Laura Marling's new album (njc) > >There's a full stream of Laura Marling's new album >'A Creature I Don't Know' on Guardian music blog >@ http://bit.ly/qTyKdT > >Love it on first listen! > >After a tour of the States and Canada starting in SF >on Sept 17 (including The Troubadour in LA on 20th), >she's returning to the UK in October to do a tour of >12 UK Cathedrals - http://www.lauramarling.com/tour/ > >best to all >PaulC > >NP Laura Marling - The Muse (A Creature I Don't Know) >http://blip.fm/~17cl6h ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:13:27 +0200 From: B Lux Subject: Scandinavian Jonifest 2013 Dear all! I announced some time ago that I'm dreaming of organizing an Scandinavian Jonifest - probably in Denmark or southern Sweden, depending on where I find the best venue. I imagine somewhere close to the beach or in a forest, some place that has a good space for performances etc... Basically, a Scandinavian Holycombe! Since then, a few people have written back, and it seems as if the end of August, preferably of 2013, might be a good time. I have set up a doodle poll to get an idea of how many people might be interested - please go and vote if you think you might want to go, and leave a note if you prefer another date! The poll is here - it's very easy, no signing up or registering: http://www.doodle.com/kzwf2nfwuhhzb2dk Hey, and if you can't go but cna think of a reason why August 2013 is a bad date becasue of other Joniactivities going on, the you can leave a message too! Love to all, Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:39:10 +0000 From: betsyblue82@gmail.com Subject: hairstyle rant I hope I'm not the only one superficial enough to care about this. Joni has kept current with hair style trends and musical styles over the years. The hippie-meets-surfer-girl long blonde hair in the late 60s with that German lieder-folk. The glam curls circa 1974 with the jazzy pop. The waves in the late 70s with fusion rock/world/legit jazz. That adorable platinum bob in the early 80s, in the spirit of Blondie and New Wave. They all fit her music at the time. Some of the styles just weren't flattering on anyone. (I had my own bad perm back in the day.) During the 80s, perms and over-produced music went together very well. Nobody noticed that Joni was a perfectly viable pop singer because she had had too much success in folk-pop more than a decade prior. She was typecast. When Joni started getting attention again in the NRH-TI period, long "natural" hair was back in style. It suited her. All highlighted and layered with side-swept bangs, she looked a little like Heather Locklear. So people who weren't following her career think she never cut her hair. She (and Klein, and the entire industry) had also learned to use production techniques more subtly. This was so successful that a lot of people thought she had returned to the minimalist STAS/Clouds/Blue formula. During the BSN/Travelogue period, she went a little shorter and darker blonde. It was a very classic 'do that works for most attractive middle-aged women. Again, this coincides with a musical change toward traditional "American songbook" vocal jazz. Unfortunately, her second 15 minutes of fame was over. I haven't had time to process Shine, as strange as that may sound. It's only been four years since release, and I like to let my Joni records breathe for 10 or 20 years :) My only comment is that the brassy updo isn't that hot, but she still looks amazing for her age. NP Fever, male singer, Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:59:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Laura Marling's new album (njc) - and a bit of PJ Harney > Personal taste is beyond logic, and maybe just as well! > > > Lieve in London > >________________________________ It is indeed, I find the Marling and the PJ Harvey discs utterly compelling. I've had more time to digest "Let England Shake.' It's not easy on the ears, but that's the point. I can't play is as background music, however; it demands my full attention. The Marling disc (on the New York Times stream) demanded my attention as well--and I "pre-ordered" the disc right after I listened to it. And Jon Pareles's review makes a case for it without mentioning Joni: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/arts/music/laura-marlings-british-folk-cd- creature-i-dont-know.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:01:04 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: hairstyle rant Hey Betsy Most of us have a thread of mentioning Joni's Hair Do's (and Don'ts) and often end in lighthearted banter at our own mistakes... for the main, the 80's bubble perm is a little shocking to purists while the return to form hair of the early 90's was great to see... For me I like the upsweep of her hair at the moment, though it does make her look older. I love her hair in the 'Painting With Words & Music DVD, and there are some photos that Klein has taken which show great attention to hair. There was that period during CMIARS where it went a little too platinum or was it during the WTRF tour... it was just a little too wispy and see through... Hey, I've had a bubble perm... I've also had long hair down to my elbows... On 11 September 2011 01:39, wrote: > I hope I'm not the only one superficial enough to care about this. > > Joni has kept current with hair style trends and musical styles over the > years. The hippie-meets-surfer-girl long blonde hair in the late 60s with > that German lieder-folk. The glam curls circa 1974 with the jazzy pop. The > waves in the late 70s with fusion rock/world/legit jazz. That adorable > platinum bob in the early 80s, in the spirit of Blondie and New Wave. They > all fit her music at the time. > - -- Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Acting Agent: Pelham Associates 01273 323 010 Facebook VoiceOvers SpotLight Twitter Showreel Currently working on *'The Unbroken Line*' a solo performance for various festivals in the UK. Appearances: September 2: Jackson's Lane Theatre as MC for the Authentic Artist Cabaret ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #263 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------