From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #259 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 7 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 259 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Questions questions [B Lux ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #249 [Mick Kelly ] More Shadows and Light from Holycombe [William Waddell ] The Reoccurring Dream [betsyblue82@gmail.com] RE: Questions questions ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe [Dave Blackburn ] Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 11:39:02 +0200 From: B Lux Subject: Re: Questions questions Wow thanks Richard, I will listen to that! A new artist to discover. It's good to be back on the list :-) Bene On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Joni's song, "Midnight Cowboy" was recorded by Donal Leace on his eponymous > 1972 Atlantic lp, which was produced by Roberta Flack: > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=291 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of B >> Lux >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 6:16 AM >> To: Joni List >> Subject: Questions questions >> >> Hello all, >> >> here is a funny Joniesque coincidence. Somebody gave my not very >> Joni-interested man a book called "Apathy for the Devil" by Nick Kent. >> I picked it up, it opened randomly precisely on the double page where >> the author talks about meeting - well who do you think... He is at >> some party, and Joni is there looking clouds and icy altitudes and he >> acknowledges her talent and influence but says how grateful he is that >> he actually never got to meet her.... >> >> Then yesterday we watched "Who is Harry Nilsson", and somebody says >> that for Midnight Cowboy, they asked various songwriters to contribute >> a theme song: Bob Dylan was asked and supposedly wrote Lay Lady Lay, >> and Joni was asked - does anyone know if that's true, and if - which >> song she pitched? >> >> In the end they chose Everybody's talking and had Harry sing it. As you >> know... >> >> Bene >> >> -- >> *** >> bnw > > > - -- *** bnw ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:27:48 +0100 From: Mick Kelly Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #249 > Subject: The Reoccurring Dream > > Hi all, > > I was just spinning CMIAR as a late summer, lazy-labour-day-weekend > soundtrack, and was suddenly struck by the thought that The Reoccurring Dream > sounded so out of place on this record. It seems more like a carry over from > Dog Eat Dog, like, they didn'yt have enough room for it on that album, so they > put it on the next album. The whole sound of it seems much more in keeping > with DED. Anyone else ever noticed this ? Hi Michael, Coincidentally I had CMIAR on yesterday, and yes, I think the same about Reoccurring Dream. There have been times when I've put DED on just to listen to both it and to Snakes and Ladders. And I still love Reoccurring Dream so much. All that stuff goin' on. Choosing this and that; temptatious voices phasing in and out in out of shimmering musical veils over the gap between. My favourite is the avaricious "Is that our new car, Charles?" It winds me up, makes me want to run out there and fight. So perhaps Chalk Mark is the right album for it. Maybe it needs to be followed by A Bird that Whistles. I think she wrote it as a piss-take to entertain us as much as to express frustration. Must have been great fun choosing those voices. It reminds me of the series of stills Hitchcock gives to illustrate the big attack in the Birds - exaggerated horror-poses thrown together to result in being just plain funny. But it back-fired on her because so many of us were so caught up in that dreary gap that we just didn't want to hear - then. And now? Best, Mick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:35:19 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe Have added some more pix of Holycombe and its surroundings to the blog here: http://williamwaddell.blogspot.com/ WtSx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 05:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: The Reoccurring Dream Hi Michael, I haven't noticed about the song and CMIAR/DED but will be listening. My 13 year old son quoted the Reoccurring Dream recently. I was so surprised he even knew the song exists. I guess it is from osmosis during all the car play time on the way to and from school and everywhere. But, he does listen to Joni on his iPod I found out... we were traveling, traveling, traveling a couple weeks ago and my other son said, "I hear Joni," and it wasn't playing on the car speakers. It was on my 13 year old son's iPod. OUTTED!!! I LOVE Martha Wainwright. Thanks for sharing about the concert. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Michael quebec To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: The Reoccurring Dream Hi all, I was just spinning CMIAR as a late summer, lazy-labour-day-weekend soundtrack, and was suddenly struck by the thought that The Reoccurring Dream sounded so out of place on this record. It seems more like a carry over from Dog Eat Dog, like, they didn'yt have enough room for it on that album, so they put it on the next album. The whole sound of it seems much more in keeping with DED. Anyone else ever noticed this ? And on a completely different subject, I had the good chance to catch both Martha Wainwright and Marianne Faithfull on the same evening, back to back, during an outdoor concert in Quebec this summer. What a study in contrasts ! Martha captivated the crowd on solo acoustic guitar for over an hour, bounding with energy all over the stage, while Marianne, the old pro, seemed so uncomfortable and ill at ease with herself as a performer. Plus, she likes to smoke on stage, too :) Sadly, her best days seem to be behind her. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:53:42 +0000 From: betsyblue82@gmail.com Subject: The Reoccurring Dream >The Reoccurring Dream sounded so out of place on [CMIARS]. It seems more like a carry over...much more in keeping with DED. First, I love The Reoccurring Dream more now than when it first came out. Michael has a point. Every record has a song or two like this. I think it's inevitable, since song songs get written/completed when the *last* album is already full and *next* album hasn't taken shape yet. Here's my list of songs that seem like they'd fit better on other albums: Jericho should go on Hejira For Free->Blue The Arrangement->HOSL YTMOIAR->C&S Sweet Bird->DJRD Cherokee Louise, Ethiopia->CMIARS Snakes & Ladders, #1->DED No Apologies->TI Lead Balloon->WTRF (except it's not about LOVE) See, most of these suggestions move the song to the next or last album. A Bird That Whistles is from the WTRF sessions, if I'm not mistaken, and it fits perfectly. NP One Week Last Summer Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 09:07:12 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Questions questions Bob Muller put it on covers #14. If no one has it from that, I can digitize from my lp. > -----Original Message----- > From: B Lux [mailto:missblux@googlemail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:39 AM > To: Richard Flynn > Cc: Joni List > Subject: Re: Questions questions > > Wow thanks Richard, I will listen to that! > A new artist to discover. It's good to be back on the list :-) > Bene > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Richard Flynn > wrote: > > Joni's song, "Midnight Cowboy" was recorded by Donal Leace on his > eponymous > > 1972 Atlantic lp, which was produced by Roberta Flack: > > > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=291 > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of B > >> Lux > >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 6:16 AM > >> To: Joni List > >> Subject: Questions questions > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> here is a funny Joniesque coincidence. Somebody gave my not very > >> Joni-interested man a book called "Apathy for the Devil" by Nick > Kent. > >> I picked it up, it opened randomly precisely on the double page where > >> the author talks about meeting - well who do you think... He is at > >> some party, and Joni is there looking clouds and icy altitudes and he > >> acknowledges her talent and influence but says how grateful he is > that > >> he actually never got to meet her.... > >> > >> Then yesterday we watched "Who is Harry Nilsson", and somebody says > >> that for Midnight Cowboy, they asked various songwriters to > contribute > >> a theme song: Bob Dylan was asked and supposedly wrote Lay Lady Lay, > >> and Joni was asked - does anyone know if that's true, and if - which > >> song she pitched? > >> > >> In the end they chose Everybody's talking and had Harry sing it. As > you > >> know... > >> > >> Bene > >> > >> -- > >> *** > >> bnw > > > > > > > > > > -- > *** > bnw ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 06:33:59 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe Lovely compositions as always William. Interesting how in black and white they make it look like it could have been winter. Dave p.s enjoying reading the Holycombe reports from everyone, and have been attending vicariously and post facto through them! On Sep 6, 2011, at 5:35 AM, William Waddell wrote: > Have added some more pix of Holycombe and its surroundings to the blog here: > http://williamwaddell.blogspot.com/ > WtSx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe Beautiful photos, Will. Lovely stuff. The black and white makes things dramatic and sometimes a little ominous, (those clipped shrubs, for example, feel like a weird alien presence and I'm not sure I'd want to walk too close to one) and certainly gives the viewer a completely different perspective. >________________________________ >From: Dave Blackburn >To: William Waddell >Cc: Joni Mitchell >Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:33:59 AM >Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe > >Lovely compositions as always William. Interesting how in black and white they make it look like it could have been winter. > >Dave > >p.s enjoying reading the Holycombe reports from everyone, and have been attending vicariously and post facto through them! > > > > > >On Sep 6, 2011, at 5:35 AM, William Waddell wrote: > >> Have added some more pix of Holycombe and its surroundings to the blog here: >> http://williamwaddell.blogspot.com/ >> WtSx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:07:32 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe To my eyes, black and white photos always seem so much more arty, somehow. Like Catherine, Will, I am very struck by some of the strange shapes in this latest set of photos. Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:12:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: The Reoccurring Dream I never noticed it but I think you are "on" to something. Jim L'Hommedieu >I was just spinning CMIAR as a late summer, lazy-labour-day-weekend soundtrack, and was suddenly struck by the thought that The Reoccurring Dream sounded so out of place on this record. It seems more like a carry over from Dog Eat Dog, like, they didn'yt have enough room for it on that album, so they put it on the next album. The whole sound of it seems much more in keeping with DED. Anyone else ever noticed this ?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe Just posted to Will, but will repeat here. I think that B&W photos force you to look at things in a different way, so that you see things you might not otherwise notice. To me, that's one of the things that art is about. >________________________________ >From: Anita G >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Dave Blackburn ; William Waddell ; Joni Mitchell >Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:07:32 PM >Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe > >To my eyes, black and white photos always seem so much more arty, somehow. > >Like Catherine, Will, I am very struck by some of the strange shapes >in this latest set of photos. >Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 00:18:37 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: RE: The Reoccurring Dream Interesting, Betsy, Thank you. There has also been discussion on this list, many moons ago, about Coyote's musical kinship with DJRD... Michael in Quebec > Subject: The Reoccurring Dream > To: michael_quebec@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > From: betsyblue82@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:53:42 +0000 > > >The Reoccurring Dream sounded so out of place on [CMIARS]. It seems more like a carry over...much more in keeping with DED. > > First, I love The Reoccurring Dream more now than when it first came out. > > Michael has a point. Every record has a song or two like this. I think it's inevitable, since song songs get written/completed when the *last* album is already full and *next* album hasn't taken shape yet. > > Here's my list of songs that seem like they'd fit better on other albums: > Jericho should go on Hejira > For Free->Blue > The Arrangement->HOSL > YTMOIAR->C&S > Sweet Bird->DJRD > Cherokee Louise, Ethiopia->CMIARS > Snakes & Ladders, #1->DED > No Apologies->TI > Lead Balloon->WTRF (except it's not about LOVE) > > See, most of these suggestions move the song to the next or last album. A Bird That Whistles is from the WTRF > sessions, if I'm not mistaken, and it fits perfectly. > > NP One Week Last Summer > Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:41:05 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe All of the lovely photos of Holycombe and its setting are really making me long to go there. It amazes me how dramatic black and white photographs can be as both Les and Will have demonstrated. I always think of Ansel Adams when I think of black & white photography. Amazing images of amazing places. And then there's the 'Hejira' cover. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:26 PM To: Anita G Cc: Dave Blackburn ; William Waddell ; Joni Mitchell Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe Just posted to Will, but will repeat here. I think that B&W photos force you to look at things in a different way, so that you see things you might not otherwise notice. To me, that's one of the things that art is about. >________________________________ >From: Anita G >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Dave Blackburn ; William Waddell >; Joni Mitchell >Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:07:32 PM >Subject: Re: More Shadows and Light from Holycombe > >To my eyes, black and white photos always seem so much more arty, somehow. > >Like Catherine, Will, I am very struck by some of the strange shapes >in this latest set of photos. >Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:59:26 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Subject: The Reoccurring Dream Oh I don't know. I think of 'The Reoccurring Dream' as a companion piece to 'Number One'. 'Number One' has some interesting use of overlapping vocals. Not spoken but interesting, nonetheless. I've always liked how 'got to be a winner trophy winner get to hold your head up high number one' chants through the song. The two songs are thematically similar and I think quite a few of the lyrical themes from 'Dog Eat Dog' carried over to 'CMIAR'. I also think the way 'The Reoccurring Dream' is structured is brilliant. The choice and placement of the spoken sound bites are perfect. When 'Ethiopia' followed that final 'Who cares?' from 'The Reoccurring Dream' in The Fiddle and the Drum ballet it was like a smack upside the head. Hmm... Maybe it does belong on 'Dog Eat Dog' after all. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:12 PM To: michael_quebec@hotmail.com ; JMDL Subject: Subject: The Reoccurring Dream I never noticed it but I think you are "on" to something. Jim L'Hommedieu >I was just spinning CMIAR as a late summer, lazy-labour-day-weekend soundtrack, and was suddenly struck by the thought that The Reoccurring Dream sounded so out of place on this record. It seems more like a carry over from Dog Eat Dog, like, they didn'yt have enough room for it on that album, so they put it on the next album. The whole sound of it seems much more in keeping with DED. Anyone else ever noticed this ?> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #259 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------