From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #223 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 2 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 223 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Edith and The King Pin [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Edith and The King Pin [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Edith and The King Pin [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Edith and The King Pin [Lori Fye ] Re: Edith and The King Pin [Lori Fye ] Re: Edith and The King Pin [T Peckham ] Re: Edith and The King Pin [Anita G ] Cold Blue Steel [Bob Muller ] Re: Cold Blue Steel [Jimmy Stewart ] Re: Cold Blue Steel ["Mark" ] several takes on Fred Fassert's song, "Barbara Ann", njc ["Jim L'Hommedie] It's About Time ["Mark" ] Re: Cold Blue Steel ["gene" ] Re: Cold Blue Steel [Lori Fye ] Re: Joni in Philly, 1976 [T Peckham ] Re: Cold Blue Steel [Les Irvin ] Re: Cold Blue Steel [T Peckham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:30:16 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Edith and The King Pin Paul writes: The "spoon" indicates the drug in question is cocaine, not heroin. Edith may be the heroine of the song's story, but she does not become addicted to heroin. It's cocaine, the popular drug of these crowds in the era that Joni is writing about. Edith is an ingenue seduced by the allure of the kingpin's power as well as the cocaine, while the kingpin is seduced by Edith's beauty and sexuality. "Each is charmed to sway, they dare not look away." Their addictions are different, but they become addicted to each other Hi Terra & Paul, A spoon is used to cook down and inject heroin and other drugs. Heroine (or Coke) is placed in the spoon, then heated over a flame until they turn to liquid. They are then placed in the syringe and injected by the user. The reason I assume the drug of choice is heroine in this song is the reference to the humming and the bars in her head......these are classic symptoms of a heroine high....... just my take.........thanks.. A plane in the rain is humming The wires in the walls are humming Some song-some mysterious song Bars in her head Beating frantic and snowblind - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:05:13 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin Though tilting your face to a scorching spoon doesn't sound right, and snowblind usually only means coke. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > Paul writes: > > > The "spoon" indicates the drug in question is cocaine, not heroin. > Edith may be the heroine of the song's story, but she does not become > addicted > to heroin. It's cocaine, the popular drug of these crowds in the era that > Joni > is writing about. > Edith is an ingenue seduced by the allure of the kingpin's power as well as > the cocaine, while the kingpin is seduced by Edith's beauty and sexuality. > "Each is charmed to sway, they dare not look away." > Their addictions are different, but they become addicted to each other > > > > Hi Terra & Paul, > > A spoon is used to cook down and inject heroin and other drugs. Heroine > (or Coke) is placed in the spoon, then heated over a flame until they turn > to liquid. They are then placed in the syringe and injected by the user. > > The reason I assume the drug of choice is heroine in this song is the > reference to the humming and the bars in her head......these are classic > symptoms of a heroine high....... just my take.........thanks.. > > A plane in the rain is humming > The wires in the walls are humming > Some song-some mysterious song > Bars in her head > Beating frantic and snowblind > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:38:20 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin Hi Dave, I agree - Snowblind is the clincher - You are right. BTW - You may have already seen this on You Tube but this is a high quality video of Joni performing Edith and the King Pin. At the 2 minute mark you get a great close-up shot of her - what a sexy woman. http://www.contactmusic.com/videos.nsf/stream/joni-mitchell-edith-and-the-king-pin |------------> | From: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Dave Blackburn | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | To: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Cc: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Paul Ivice , joni@smoe.org | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Date: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |08/01/2011 10:05 AM | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Subject: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Re: Edith and The King Pin | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Though tilting your face to a scorching spoon doesn't sound right, and snowblind usually only means coke. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > Paul writes: > > > The "spoon" indicates the drug in question is cocaine, not heroin. > Edith may be the heroine of the song's story, but she does not become > addicted > to heroin. It's cocaine, the popular drug of these crowds in the era that > Joni > is writing about. > Edith is an ingenue seduced by the allure of the kingpin's power as well as > the cocaine, while the kingpin is seduced by Edith's beauty and sexuality. > "Each is charmed to sway, they dare not look away." > Their addictions are different, but they become addicted to each other > > > > Hi Terra & Paul, > > A spoon is used to cook down and inject heroin and other drugs. Heroine > (or Coke) is placed in the spoon, then heated over a flame until they turn > to liquid. They are then placed in the syringe and injected by the user. > > The reason I assume the drug of choice is heroine in this song is the > reference to the humming and the bars in her head......these are classic > symptoms of a heroine high....... just my take.........thanks.. > > A plane in the rain is humming > The wires in the walls are humming > Some song-some mysterious song > Bars in her head > Beating frantic and snowblind > > - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. 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Wikipedia states that the original 2 LP release was 78 minutes, so if they restored the album for HDCD I would like to apoligize to the greedy record company, and all joniphiles I have lead astray. I do not have the HDCD, maybe I better get it! Yes, seeing Joni at the Berkeley Community Theatre was truly amazing. LA Express did a short opening set, then She came out with them for a rockin' "This Flight Tonight". The audience vibe was in a class by itself, too. There were stints at the piano and dulcimer, dozens of bouquets of flowers brought to the stage, along with baked bread, lace and fillagree. Ready to start a song, someone yells out "White Rabbit!!". Without missing a beat Joni says "I'm not that Slick". All this and a nipple slip. Yes, if I could travel in time..... RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:08:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin I thought it was cocaine that was called "snow," so how is that the clincher? Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Stewart.Simon To: Dave Blackburn ; ivpaul42 Cc: joni Sent: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 11:40 am Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin Hi Dave, I agree - Snowblind is the clincher - You are right. TW - You may have already seen this on You Tube but this is a high quality ideo of Joni performing Edith and the King Pin. At the 2 minute mark you et a great close-up shot of her - what a sexy woman. ttp://www.contactmusic.com/videos.nsf/stream/joni-mitchell-edith-and-the-king - -pin |------------> From: | - ------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| |Dave Blackburn >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| - ------------> To: | - ------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| |Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| - ------------> Cc: | - ------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| |Paul Ivice , joni@smoe.org >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| - ------------> Date: | - ------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| |08/01/2011 10:05 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| - ------------> Subject: | - ------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| |Re: Edith and The King Pin >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------| Though tilting your face to a scorching spoon doesn't sound right, and nowblind usually only means coke. n Aug 1, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > Paul writes: The "spoon" indicates the drug in question is cocaine, not heroin. Edith may be the heroine of the song's story, but she does not become addicted to heroin. It's cocaine, the popular drug of these crowds in the era that Joni is writing about. Edith is an ingenue seduced by the allure of the kingpin's power as well s the cocaine, while the kingpin is seduced by Edith's beauty and exuality. "Each is charmed to sway, they dare not look away." Their addictions are different, but they become addicted to each other Hi Terra & Paul, A spoon is used to cook down and inject heroin and other drugs. Heroine (or Coke) is placed in the spoon, then heated over a flame until they urn to liquid. They are then placed in the syringe and injected by the user. The reason I assume the drug of choice is heroine in this song is the reference to the humming and the bars in her head......these are classic symptoms of a heroine high....... just my take.........thanks.. 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If you have received this communication in error, lease notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:40:17 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin > I thought it was cocaine that was called "snow," so how is that the clincher? My take was that "snowblind" is the clincher that Joni was referring to cocaine. I'm with Dave: one doesn't typically tilt one's face (nose) to a scorching hot spoon. "He tilts their tired faces Gently to the spoon ..." Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:02:55 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin Speaking of "tired faces," cocaine is a pick-me-up. Heroin, not so much ... Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:48:22 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin Whew, I'm glad we cleared that up! ;-) I think Joni's description of heroin use is contained in "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire," and the artwork that accompanies the song in the folio seems to indicate that. I'd love to see a discussion about that song. I know "Electricity" has been thoroughly discussed in the past--one of her most intriguing lyrics. I'm not very good at metaphors and symbolism, so I always learn something and really appreciate the spectrum of thoughts from others here. (Quite belatedly I should say that I too found Anita's cobras to be a revelation!) Back to work on a boring novel . . . Terra On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Speaking of "tired faces," cocaine is a pick-me-up. Heroin, not so much > ... > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:41:48 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Edith and The King Pin (Quite belatedly I should say that I too found Anita's cobras to be a > revelation!) Terra My cobras may be a 'revelation', Terra ,but you would not believe the amount of revelations I have personally received during this EATK thread. One woman's cobras is another man's cats! The whole discussion about 'snowblind' I never so saw so clearly. Cocaine seems so obvious now. The stuff people discussed about the 'spoon,' the experiences described about the walls 'humming' (the heroin expereince), and so many other bits and pieces. Dave's take on the vulnerability of the Kingpin gripping so tight...... it's just been amazing. My partner Steph is not a JMDL member, but even she has got involved as we drank some wine tonight in the garddn saying that maybe the drug is heroin becuase you need to grip your arm to inject........and so it goes on. It has been wonderful to share these ideas. And, for someone like me who felt so isolated for so many years (over 30 until finding JMDL in 1999) in the love of Joni's music, I have to say, the discussions are profoundly moving and inspiring. I may have ups and downs here (like others, I imagine), but it's just a wonderful community to be part of. I am so grateful. Thanks y'all Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Cold Blue Steel I'd love to see a discussion about that song.> And see it you shall! I really love this song...was a latecomer to this record, didn't pick up on until the late 80's in fact. One of her most beautiful albums and most autobiographical although that could be challenged I suppose. I love the way the haunting dark chords match the mood of the lyrics. Pretty much about JT's heroin problem, right? Joni likes Tim Curry's version, she said that the words should be "spat out" the way he presents it. Bob NP: The Moody Blues, "The Question" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:44:22 -0400 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel I agree with Joni. I love hearing her sing CBS, but I think Tim Curry does the song justice. Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > I'd love to see a discussion about that song.> > > And see it you shall! > I really love this song...was a latecomer to this record, didn't pick up on > until the late 80's in fact. One of her most beautiful albums and most > autobiographical although that could be challenged I suppose. > > I love the way the haunting dark chords match the mood of the lyrics. Pretty > much about JT's heroin problem, right? > > Joni likes Tim Curry's version, she said that the words should be "spat out" the > way he presents it. > > Bob > > NP: The Moody Blues, "The Question" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:29:19 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel It's a powerful song, to be sure. The MOA version is my personal favorite. That ending when she keeps singing 'down, down, down, down, down...' and gradually fading down to silence is so effective. Like the only direction for this poor soul is down into oblivion. I would agree with Bob that JT may have been a model for the song. But she repeats the words 'lady release' at the end of every verse. Of course it could be the drug or the high she's referring to, beckoning almost like a lover. 'Come with me, I know the way, she said...' But in the last verse on the studio version from FTR she sings 'cold blue steel and sweet fire fall in to lady release'. I've always seen that as the cold hard needle full of 'sweet fire' being injected into 'lady release'. That makes me think the user in the song is a woman. But that could be a red herring to lead listeners away from the conclusion that the song is about James. I'm interested to know what other people think 'lady release' represents in this song. Is she the subject? Is she the drug itself? Is she the high? Is she the addiction? Or something else entirely? Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Stewart Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:44 PM To: Bob Muller Cc: T Peckham ; Lori Fye ; joni@smoe.org ; Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel I agree with Joni. I love hearing her sing CBS, but I think Tim Curry does the song justice. Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > I'd love to see a discussion about that song.> > > And see it you shall! > I really love this song...was a latecomer to this record, didn't pick up > on > until the late 80's in fact. One of her most beautiful albums and most > autobiographical although that could be challenged I suppose. > > I love the way the haunting dark chords match the mood of the lyrics. > Pretty > much about JT's heroin problem, right? > > Joni likes Tim Curry's version, she said that the words should be "spat > out" the > way he presents it. > > Bob > > NP: The Moody Blues, "The Question" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:10:27 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: several takes on Fred Fassert's song, "Barbara Ann", njc The Regents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA_AetLMHo4 The Who: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8hKo42x-eQ&feature=related Paul Shanklin singing "Bomb Iran": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U&feature=related Alley Cats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vXpBXDESks The Beach Boys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wbMqRO6lnc Hey, I'm just saying... Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:13:35 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: It's About Time Since this post is about a singer's work who is one of the best interpreters of Joni Mitchell's songs I personally have ever heard, I'm not going to mark it njc. You all know that Robin Adler's debut recording has been reissued and is available to all of us lucky listeners. Or if you don't know, you should. Robin is more than capable of taking on challenging material besides the songs of Joni Mitchell. 'It's About Time' has beautiful interpretations of songs by the likes of Paul Simon, Hoagy Carmichael & Johnny Mercer, the Gershwin brothers, Sting and, along with Dave Blackburn and guitarist Peter Sprague, some material that Robin herself had a hand in creating. There's a dash of vocalese, a very funky, wickedly humorous blues tune, beautiful interpretations of a couple of time honored standards and plenty of goose bump moments along the way. Peter Sprague's guitar accompanies Robin throughout the cd and he is an amazing player. All of the musicianship on 'It's About Time' is first rate. And the sound quality is stellar as well. But we would expect nothing less from our own Dave Blackburn. Kudos to Dave for the production, recording, and remixing. Thanks, Robin, for the opportunity to hear more of your soulful voice and wonderful singing. I really do hope to hear you singing in person some day. There have been many Jonifests I have wished I could attend but the one in Idyllwild is one I really do regret missing. The rest of you, go buy this recording in the format of your choice asap! Mark in Seattle Robin Adler fan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:19:38 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel As always, another great observation and interpretation of Joni's song. At the time the song was written, Cold blue steel" was slang for a gun. I always thought it was song about the downfalls of drug addiction and how far someone would go to support their habit. I've always have heroin used in the feminine gender---"sweet release." And "sweet fire" is the first initial feeling after injection. So the person is contemplating using a gun to obtain heroin to get "high." ---the road goes downhill from there. The song was written (I think) while she was in semi-seclusion in British Columbia, getting away from all that noise in the city and the business. Has Joni ever been addicted to any drugs other than her passions of music and art? peace~~~gene p.s. planning to see Crosby and Nash, Sept.10----any questions anybody want me to ask if I get the chance? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: "Jimmy Stewart" ; "Bob Muller" Cc: "T Peckham" ; "Lori Fye" ; ; "Gerald Notaro" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel > It's a powerful song, to be sure. The MOA version is my personal > favorite. That ending when she keeps singing 'down, down, down, down, > down...' and gradually fading down to silence is so effective. Like the > only direction for this poor soul is down into oblivion. > > I would agree with Bob that JT may have been a model for the song. But > she repeats the words 'lady release' at the end of every verse. Of course > it could be the drug or the high she's referring to, beckoning almost like > a lover. 'Come with me, I know the way, she said...' > > But in the last verse on the studio version from FTR she sings 'cold blue > steel and sweet fire fall in to lady release'. I've always seen that as > the cold hard needle full of 'sweet fire' being injected into 'lady > release'. That makes me think the user in the song is a woman. > > But that could be a red herring to lead listeners away from the conclusion > that the song is about James. > > I'm interested to know what other people think 'lady release' represents > in this song. Is she the subject? Is she the drug itself? Is she the > high? Is she the addiction? Or something else entirely? > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy Stewart > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:44 PM > To: Bob Muller > Cc: T Peckham ; Lori Fye ; joni@smoe.org ; Gerald Notaro > Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel > > I agree with Joni. I love hearing her sing CBS, but I think Tim Curry does > the song justice. > > Jimmy > > ....gesendet von meinem iPhone > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > >> I'd love to see a discussion about that song.> >> >> And see it you shall! >> I really love this song...was a latecomer to this record, didn't pick up >> on >> until the late 80's in fact. One of her most beautiful albums and most >> autobiographical although that could be challenged I suppose. >> >> I love the way the haunting dark chords match the mood of the lyrics. >> Pretty >> much about JT's heroin problem, right? >> >> Joni likes Tim Curry's version, she said that the words should be "spat >> out" the >> way he presents it. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: The Moody Blues, "The Question" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:26:51 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel gene asked: > Has Joni ever been addicted to any drugs other than her passions of music and art? Well, there is that pesky nicotine. Otherwise, I've read references on this list to the days when Joni dabbled with cocaine (Hejira? DJRD?), but I doubt she was addicted to it. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:31:23 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Joni in Philly, 1976 Thanks so much to both of you!(All of you who share this stuff.) All these recordings are new and very exciting to me, as I was in the dark ages computerwise for a long time and couldn't download large files (and wouldn't have known what to do with them in any case.) Thanks for giving me the opportunity to get caught up! Terra On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Am 31.07.2011 16:03, Wie Catherine McKay so vortrefflich formulierte: > > I've uploaded some of the songs (in lossy files, Apple format, which >> is m4a) to YouSendIt. In order for me to upload the entire concert >> in that format, I'd need to split it into five parts >> > > Doesn't that give you a headache? ;) > > I dived into my archives and pulled out a mp3 version of that show which > you now can download in one piece from > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=**IL8M27D0 > > Joni Mitchell > The Spectrum > Philadelphia, PA > February 16, 1976 > > Disc 1: > 01) Help Me > 02) Love or Money > 03) Free Man in Paris > > 04) The Dowie Dens of Yarrow > 05) For the Roses > 06) Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire > 07) Big Yellow Taxi > 08) Shades of Scarlett Conquering > 09) For Free > > 10) Coyote/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > 11) Just Like This Train > > Disc 2: > 01) Shadows and Light > 02) In France They Kiss on Main Street > > 03) Edith and the Kingpin > 04) Talk to Me > 05) Harry's House/Centerpiece > 06) Furry Sings the Blues > 07) Trouble Child > 08) Rainy Night House > 09) Don't Interrupt The Sorrow > 10) Raised on Robbery > 11) The Jungle Line > 12) Twisted > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:46:22 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel From a 2005 interview: RD: Did you ever have problems with drugs or addiction? Mitchell: I did, briefly. I didn't get involved for years, and then I went on [Bob Dylan's] Rolling Thunder [tour] and they asked me how I wanted to be paid, and [it was like] I ran away to join the circus: Clowns used to get paid in wine - pay me in cocaine because everybody was strung out on cocaine. It was [Tibetan Buddhist spiritual master] Chvgyam Trungpa who snapped me out of it just before Easter in 1976. He asked me, "Do you believe in God?" I said, "Yes, here's my god and here is my prayer," and I took out the cocaine and took a hit in front of him. So I was very, very rude in the presence of a spiritual master. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1317 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:03:05 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel Thanks for picking up the ball Mr. Muller. ;-) For what it's worth, I'm going to try to include a scan of Joni's drawing that accompanies the lyric to the song in the For the Roses songbook. I don't think it's necessarily meant to be taken literally as a depiction of who the song might be about. Probably several different influences, altho it seems obvious that JT was one of them. (If smoe strips out the file, email me. I'll also post it on FB.) Terra On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Mark wrote: > It's a powerful song, to be sure. The MOA version is my personal favorite. > That ending when she keeps singing 'down, down, down, down, down...' and > gradually fading down to silence is so effective. Like the only direction > for this poor soul is down into oblivion. > > I would agree with Bob that JT may have been a model for the song. But she > repeats the words 'lady release' at the end of every verse. Of course it > could be the drug or the high she's referring to, beckoning almost like a > lover. 'Come with me, I know the way, she said...' > > But in the last verse on the studio version from FTR she sings 'cold blue > steel and sweet fire fall in to lady release'. I've always seen that as the > cold hard needle full of 'sweet fire' being injected into 'lady release'. > That makes me think the user in the song is a woman. > > But that could be a red herring to lead listeners away from the conclusion > that the song is about James. > > I'm interested to know what other people think 'lady release' represents in > this song. Is she the subject? Is she the drug itself? Is she the high? > Is she the addiction? Or something else entirely? > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Stewart > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:44 PM > To: Bob Muller > Cc: T Peckham ; Lori Fye ; joni@smoe.org ; Gerald Notaro > Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel > > > I agree with Joni. I love hearing her sing CBS, but I think Tim Curry does > the song justice. > > Jimmy > > ....gesendet von meinem iPhone > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > I'd love to see a discussion about that song.> >> >> And see it you shall! >> I really love this song...was a latecomer to this record, didn't pick up >> on >> until the late 80's in fact. One of her most beautiful albums and most >> autobiographical although that could be challenged I suppose. >> >> I love the way the haunting dark chords match the mood of the lyrics. >> Pretty >> much about JT's heroin problem, right? >> >> Joni likes Tim Curry's version, she said that the words should be "spat >> out" the >> way he presents it. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: The Moody Blues, "The Question" >> > > > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 001.jpg] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #223 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------