From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #217 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 27 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 217 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Norway [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Norwegian Tragedy NJC [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #216 ["Epley, Keith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:55:20 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Norway Well put, David. It's unbelievable. The world is in mourning. Strangely, he looks very similar to Martin Bryant who was responsible for the equally shocking Port Arthur Massacre in Tasmania, Australia a while back. This has been the top story on news reports around Australia these past few days. Australians are shocked by it. My sympathies too go to Oddmund and all Norwegians. It makes no sense. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:34:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Norwegian Tragedy NJC Well, the path to understanding one another isn't always a straight one, I guess. Unfortunately, Vince, I think you bewilderment might have been read by some more like anger. And what does one do with the frustration at learning of such an event? It has to go somewhere, right? And, Oddmund, what a truly lovely post. In your time of grief, I'm humbled that you'd take the time to speak to us so eloquently. Hoping this Monday is treating everyone well. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:57:27 -0500 From: "Epley, Keith" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #216 Hello to all you "children of sweetness and light" recognizing the tragedies of late and those not so recent. Healing, not denial, strikes the right note, the Japanese garden.... Poet Denise Duhamel, in "When Love took Its Symetry for Granted" (referencing 9/11), cites another poet who points out that the best way to address a broken vase (shootings, bombings, ods,....) is through the love that puts it back together is stronger than "when love took its symetry for granted." Laurie Anderson and Bobby McFerrin (spelling?), in Hansel and Gretel, use Walter Benjamin's ruminations upon a Klee painting: "and the angel wants to go back and fix things, to repair the things that have been broken; but there's a storm blowing from paradise, and this storm is called progress." I unabashedly repaired to Joni's first album to help negotiate these sorrows, Winehouse's included. "Shall we at least tend our own gardens?" Peace to you all! ________________________________________ From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #216 JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 26 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 216 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Norway [David Marine ] Getting it [Vince ] NJC Norway, now [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: Norwegian terrorism njc [Lc Stanley ] Re: NJC Norway, now [Lc Stanley ] Re: NJC Norway, now [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC Norway, now [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: NJC Norway, now [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: NJC Norway, now [Catherine McKay ] Chain of solidarity for Norway njc [Catherine McKay ] Nietzsche and Joni and Jesus [Bill Branyon ] Re: Norwegian terrorism njc [Anne Sandstrom ] Joni & James at the BBC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Norwegian terrorism (njc) ["kbhla" ] Re: Joni & James at the BBC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Norway Hey List, I'v been shocked and extremely saddened by the news from Norway; partly because of the scope and nature of the crime, and partly because of the affinity that I have developed for Norway over the years through music. Not only is our Oddmund from Norway, but so are two of my favorite musicians: the fantastically talented Sondre Lerche and the brilliant Erlend Oye. And of course, Joni's paternal grandparents were Norwegian. I've come to view Norway as an almost magical place: egalitarian, peaceful, musical, and spectacularly beautiful. I am horrified by the terrorist attack, and my deepest condolences go out to Oddmund and all affected. Best, David - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:38:01 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Getting it What I said: I did not comment regarding those who posted nothing on Saturday. We all have our own reasons for that. What I said: The posts we had Saturday were 'oh what a tragedy, Amy Winehouse has died.' What I said: That deeply troubled me. What would have given a proper perspective would have been: On this very tragic day we hear the sad news that Amy Winehouse has died. In the wake of Oslo the tragedy was the slaughter of innocents. That is what I said. I added that our silence 'on this very tragic day' when we were posting away about Winehouse was disappointing, why not give the the victims their due while here. I noted this was true of facebook postings as well. I added that this was sad because (did I say it three times) I know the good hearts of JMDLers. And I have caught hell since. And that is that. I stand by what I posted. Kakki gave me a nice word of explanation on facebook for the phenomena, thanks friend! Otherwise, it is what it is and so it goes. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:48:34 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: NJC Norway, now Dear friends on the list. First of all, thank you, for your kind thougst and your open hearts. Your candle lighting - Your concerns. I was not offended that you didn't discuss this earlier. Because, it is as Catherine, points out sou beautifully, difficult to find the right words. What can one say... We have no words We just cry.... It is very special to be in Norway at the moment, and near Oslo. Yesterday I saw all the flowers in front of the Cathedral in Oslo, and all the candles inside it. And all the people, silently mourning. It made a very strong impression on me. Me and my nephew came by bus yesterday. I was on vacation when the tragedy happened. And we rolled passed the tragedy, the island were it all had happened, but unlike Joni Mitchell in the song No regrets coyote, we were full of regrets. My country is mourning. We've already been mourning for two days, and we will continue do for quite some time. A beautiful young lady member of the youth organization, AUF that was stroked by this horrible killing saidsomething like When one man can have so much hate and do so much evil, imagine how much love we can show if we stand together... I get the goosebumbs as I write this. The killer has planned this for nine years, he is exactly my age, and he seems to systematically have killing future leaders and politicians in the biggest socialist party in Norway, it is truly hearbreaking, and a monsterous act... And this is not only about the one's that got killed, it is also about all who survived, and have to carry this heavy burden the rest of their lifes. We will never forget - but we do hope, that this may lead to a warmer country. That we can continue to show that we care for eachother, in the days to come. And that our norwegian democracy will still stay strong. Thanks again for all your compassion and a special warm thank you to Vince. I really appreciate it, and it really warms my norwegian heart Lots of love, always Oddmund - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Norwegian terrorism njc Vince wrote: ________________________________ 87+ Norse teens die and Amy Winehouse's death was the tragedy de jour. Hello Reverend Vince, Wow, horrible tragedy in Norway! I don't watch TV nor listen to radio news. I did hear about Amy Winehouse from my kids who know I have the same disease and have been intensely working with a friend who reached out to me this past week as I posted earlier. I appreciate you focusing me on what happened in Norway. I will look it up. Thank you to all who have inquired about my friend and are praying for her. Two of us twelve steppers spent all day/night Saturday in the Emergency Department with her as they got her stabilized so she could be accepted into detox. Her BAL was 0.34. She's lucky she's an alcoholic or she'd probably be comatose or have died of respiratory arrest with that level. She survived a seizure and didn't aspirate which was fortunate. Yesterday she was admitted into a detox program that is one of the best, if not the best, in our state. Even though my focus has been on what is right in front of me, know I'm praying for all those affected by the tragedies you mention. Love, Laura - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: NJC Norway, now BIG HUG Oddmund!! Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Oddmund Kaarevik To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: NJC Norway, now Dear friends on the list. First of all, thank you, for your kind thougst and your open hearts. Your candle lighting - Your concerns. I was not offended that you didn't discuss this earlier. Because, it is as Catherine, points out sou beautifully, difficult to find the right words. What can one say... We have no words We just cry.... It is very special to be in Norway at the moment, and near Oslo. Yesterday I saw all the flowers in front of the Cathedral in Oslo, and all the candles inside it. And all the people, silently mourning. It made a very strong impression on me. Me and my nephew came by bus yesterday. I was on vacation when the tragedy happened. And we rolled passed the tragedy, the island were it all had happened, but unlike Joni Mitchell in the song No regrets coyote, we were full of regrets. My country is mourning. We've already been mourning for two days, and we will continue do for quite some time. A beautiful young lady member of the youth organization, AUF that was stroked by this horrible killing saidsomething like When one man can have so much hate and do so much evil, imagine how much love we can show if we stand together... I get the goosebumbs as I write this. The killer has planned this for nine years, he is exactly my age, and he seems to systematically have killing future leaders and politicians in the biggest socialist party in Norway, it is truly hearbreaking, and a monsterous act... And this is not only about the one's that got killed, it is also about all who survived, and have to carry this heavy burden the rest of their lifes. We will never forget - but we do hope, that this may lead to a warmer country. That we can continue to show that we care for eachother, in the days to come. And that our norwegian democracy will still stay strong. Thanks again for all your compassion and a special warm thank you to Vince. I really appreciate it, and it really warms my norwegian heart Lots of love, always Oddmund - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:36:25 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC Norway, now Blessing to you Oddmund! Victor in Atlanta - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:25:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: NJC Norway, now Dearest Oddmund, I hope that hope and healing find their way to your beautiful country and to you. Whenever I look out my kitchen window at my new little garden, I will send a kind thought to Norway and its lovely people. lots of love, Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:48:11 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Re: NJC Norway, now I think this is so beautiful that i just have to share it. Right now, in Oslo 150 000 thousand people have a silent march with red roses. Oslo have a population of approximately 500 000... They do the same in cities all around Norway, 10 000 thousands of people in Bergen etc. etc. And in Oslo, and in other cities, our politicians are joining the marches with no extra security guards, Some of you may thinks this is naove, but we need to take back our sense of freedom. This terrible attack has affected us all - and the one's who got killed on friday were the most innocent of all - young kids with no opertunity to defend themselves, whatsoever. I am very proud of my people and my country today, and I am very humble to learn about all the sympathy from the rest of the world and you on the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - We are all one people - let us remember that. Much love, always Oddmund, Norway On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > Dear friends on the list. > > First of all, > thank you, > for your kind thougst and your open > hearts. > Your candle lighting - > Your concerns. > > I was not offended that > you didn't discuss this earlier. > Because, it is as Catherine, > points out sou beautifully, > difficult to find the right words. > > What can one say... > We have no words > We just cry.... > > It is very special to be in Norway > at the moment, and near Oslo. > Yesterday I saw all the flowers in front of the > Cathedral in Oslo, and all the candles inside it. > And all the people, > silently mourning. > It made a very strong impression on me. > > Me and my nephew came by bus > yesterday. I was on vacation when the tragedy happened. > And we rolled passed the tragedy, > the island were it all had happened, > but unlike Joni Mitchell in the song No regrets coyote, > we were full of regrets. > > My country is mourning. > We've already been mourning for two days, > and we will continue do for quite some time. > > A beautiful young lady > member of the youth organization, AUF > that was stroked by this horrible killing saidsomething like > > When one man can have so much hate and do so much evil, imagine > how much love we can show if we stand together... > > I get the goosebumbs as I write this. > > The killer has planned this for nine years, > he is exactly my age, > and he seems to systematically have killing future leaders > and politicians in the biggest socialist party in Norway, > it is truly hearbreaking, and a monsterous act... > > And this is not only about the one's that got killed, > it is also about all who survived, and have to carry this > heavy burden the rest of their lifes. > We will never forget - > but we do hope, > that this may lead to a warmer country. > That we can continue to show that we care for eachother, > in the days to come. > And that our norwegian democracy will still stay strong. > > Thanks again for all your compassion > and a special warm thank you to Vince. > > I really appreciate it, and it really warms my norwegian heart > > Lots of love, always > > Oddmund - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Norway, now You're right to be proud of this. You do need to take back your beautiful peaceful country. I had a chat this morning with a co-worker who is Norwegian. Her thoughts were very much in line with yours. Lots of love... - - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Oddmund Kaarevik > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 12:48:11 PM > Subject: Re: NJC Norway, now > > I think this > is so beautiful > that i just have to share it. > > Right now, in Oslo > 150 000 thousand people > have a silent march > with red roses. > > Oslo have a population of approximately 500 000... > > They do the same in cities all around Norway, > 10 000 thousands of people in Bergen etc. etc. > > And in Oslo, and in other cities, our politicians > are joining the marches > with no extra security guards, > > Some of you may thinks this is naove, > but we need to take back our sense of freedom. > This terrible attack has affected us all - > and the one's who got killed on friday > were the most innocent of all - young kids > with no opertunity to defend themselves, > whatsoever. > > I am very proud of my people > and my country today, > and I am very humble to learn about > all the sympathy from the rest of the world > and you on the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - > > We are all one people - > let us remember that. > > Much love, always > > Oddmund, Norway - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Chain of solidarity for Norway njc One of the Norwegian newspapers has started a "chain of solidarity" for Norway. I know it's symbolic, but symbols can have a lot of meaning in times of tragedy. At the time I signed up for this, there were close to 700,000 people "holding hands" around the world in solidarity with the Norwegian people. The link is below. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/lenke.php - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Carter Subject: Small unexpected Joni mention (VLJC) All, Don't know if this was noted before, but we were watching the latest Shrek movie, and he said, "You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone." Shrek traded one day of his life for a chance to experience his previous life before things changed drastically (wife and kids, etc.), only to learn that what he had was a pretty good thing. humbly, Loren - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:21:04 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: NJC Norway, now A beautiful young lady member of the youth organization, AUF that was stroked by this horrible killing saidsomething like "When one man can have so much hate and do so much evil, imagine how much love we can show if we stand together..." So profound, So true----Peace ~~~gene - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Branyon Subject: Nietzsche and Joni and Jesus In my reading Joni's main Nietzsche reference is from "Dog Eat Dog" and I'm not sure of the song names but the direct quotes include: "Power walks it on crooked legs" and "So we call for the three great stimulants, of the exhausted ones, artifice, brutality and innocence." I've just written a book partially about Nietzsche with some Joni quotes called: "Liberating Liberals, a synthesis of Nietzsche and Jesus, Vonnegut and Marx (Groucho, not Karl). First off, "thus Spake Zarathustra" is terrible and incomprehensible. All the rest: "Beyond Good and Evil," "The Antichrist," "A Geneology of Morals" are often very entertaining and sometimes amazing. I'm not too interested in his "will to power", "amor fati," "overman," or "eternal return." To me Nietzsche's main value is in breaking barriers to freethinking and his discovery that excessive clinging to meaning, morality and seriousness are the biggest and most unlikely barriers. Whereas exploring meaninglessness, relative morality, and humor are the solutions. Also, Nietzsche admires Jesus, but he takes the teachings of Jesus apart like no other, and shows how skewed it is too self-sacrifice, and how hurtful to individualty often. B Here are the two quotes I discuss a lot in my book: b?Man suffers,b?B Nietzsche writes, b?but man suffers most from his inability to provide his suffering with meaning. Religion, morality and philosophy attempt to alleviate this predicamentb&. Religion promises an afterlife,b&Morality gives man guilt, because punishment is easier to bear than meaningless pain. Philosophy speaks of ideal worlds to anesthetize man against the sting of existing in a non-ideal worldb&. B B B B B B B [These retreats] are humanities revenge on life for their suffering. But they reject lifeb&and for what? There is nothing else. They reject life for nothing!.. All those who cannot celebrate life in all its meaninglessness are nihilistsb&. they would rather believe in nothing than in life."As long as there have been people, we have felt too little joy: that alone is our original sinb& And learning better to feel joy, we learn best not to hurt others b&. By my love and hope I entreat you: do not reject the hero in your soul! Keep holy your highest hope!b? - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:56:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Norwegian terrorism njc A day after the attacks on 9/11, I went to a place called "Garden in the Woods." It's a lovely wildflower wooded area with walking trails. I needed to wash my soul of the anger and violence. Rather than denial, it was a first step in healing. It helped. Yesterday, I planted a Japanese garden in my yard. Same reason. Same result. A mourning dove's cries reminded me gently of the horror and sorrow in Norway. It was more appropriate than any words. We live in an age of media, where everyone cries to be heard. But sometimes silence is the best remedy. Meditation is done quietly. I don't want to add to the noise right now - I'd like to soothe my bruised spirit and help the overall good in the process. lots of love, Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:23:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni & James at the BBC My brother John appreciates James Taylor, as I do. It occurred to me tonight, that he might like to have the coolest version ever (IMO) of "Steamroller Blues" which is on "Joni & James at the BBC". The chronology puts it at October 29th, of 1970. http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/searchtextchrono.cfm Does anyone have any more detail about the venue or the personnel? Jim L'Hommedieu - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:30:31 -0700 From: "kbhla" Subject: Norwegian terrorism (njc) At times, some silence is reflective of shared shock/incredulity, solidarity, empathy and respect. The news came out of the blue and seemed to increase in hideousness as the day went on. I was mostly on the road at that time Friday, listening to the ongoing reports, updates and discussions on the radio. Apart from hearing of the horrific incidents, one of the things that really knocked me over (and even still recalling it) was hearing a live interview with the local Consular General of Norway here in L.A. He answered each question of the radio host and confirmed various new facts for what seemed an interminable 15 minutes, all the while somehow keeping himself together in a "professional" sense. But behind every word he spoke, you could "hear" a long, deep cry within him. I feel like words are just not enough, sometimes, to express how deeply we really feel inside. At best, I trust that the people of Norway truly know how much we all feel for them at this horrible time. Kakki - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:48:44 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni & James at the BBC Jim L'Hommedieu wrote in part: > ...the coolest version ever (IMO) of "Steamroller Blues" which is on > "Joni & James at the BBC". The chronology puts it at October 29th, of > 1970. > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/searchtextchrono.cfm I'm replying to my own post! Does anyone need a CD of Joni Mitchell and James Taylor at the BBC, recorded on October 29, 1970? The first 11 tracks of this CD were mastered directly from an LP that the BBC sent to radio stations, by the JMDL's own Simon Montgomery. You won't find a cleaner sound unless you tape it yourself. On this disc is my favorite version of California too. I'll spin these for folks in the US and Canada. Please write to me offlist, and I'll send my mailing address to you. The way this works: You send a blank CD-R to me along with return postage. I burn the music and send it back along with a printed track list. No money changes hands so this is not bootlegging. If JMDLers in other countries need this disc, I hope that someone in the UK, Australia, NZ, Austria, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Italy, Ukraine, etc. will step forward and help them out. It's been too long since we reached out to new collectors. I'm going to assume that everyone here has already bought one (or more) copies of "Blue" and "Sweet Baby James". Jim L'Hommedieu - - --------------------------- JONI MITCHELL BBC "IN CONCERT" w/ James Taylor PARIS CINEMA London, England / Oct. 29, 1970 Source: BBC Transcription Service LP, #CN 1485 / S 1 That Song About the Midway JM 2 The Gallery JM 3 Rainy Day Man JT 4 Steamroller Blues JT 5 The Priest JM 6 Carey JM 7 Carolina In My Mind JT 8 California JM + JT 9 For Free JM + JT 10 The Circle Game JM + JT 11 You Can Close Your Eyes JM + JT Source: Aircheck- Tape Source (UK Broadcast) 12 Hunter JM 13 River JM 14 My Old Man JM 15 A Case Of You JM + JT 16 Carey (w/complete intro) JM - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #216 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #217 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. 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