From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #207 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 18 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 207 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni sighting in Saskatoon ["Monica Cardinale" ] Re: Electric Eden [Paul Castle ] Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. [Anita G ] Recent Posts [William Waddell ] Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. [Catherine McKay ] Fleet Foxes live, Massey Hall, July 14/11 njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Recent Posts [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #206 [Mary Morris ] Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. [Anita G ] Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. [Rose M Joy ] AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) [Walt Breen ] Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon [Bob Muller ] Re: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon [Bob Muller ] I-405 shutdown, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: I-405 shutdown, njc [Bob Muller ] RE: Mingus's Passing, and fighting depression (njc) [Walt Breen Subject: RE: Joni sighting in Saskatoon How nice to see these pictures and the first one with Joni and her dad is so beautiful and touching. Thanks! Monica - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:00:09 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. http://bit.ly/r8rsOo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:44:38 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Electric Eden Thanks for the reviews, Steve and Moni - another friend had recently recommended it to me so I shall be getting a copy. I really enjoyed Colin Harper's book - 'Dazzling Stranger: Bert Jansch and the British Folk and Blues Revival' which was published a few years ago now - - - http://amzn.to/pFDa1x > Pentangle had at "the Laurel Canyon Home of Warner > Brothers chief Mo Ostin...a drunken brunch with Laura Nyro, > Joni Mitchell, Phil Ochs and Randy Newman." As you may have heard, the original members of Pentangle - - ie Bert Jansch, John Renbourn, Danny Thompson, Terry Cox and Jacqui McShee - reformed a couple of years ago, but haven't been able to play much due to Bert's cancer - http://bit.ly/pFFJRC but it's great to hear that Bert's recently been touring with Neil Young again and Pentangle played at Glastonbury in June and are at The Cambridge Folk Festival at the end of the month followed by a gig at The Royal Festival Hall on August 1st. Talk of Fleet Foxes on the list reminded me of this recent interview by the BBC's Lauren Laverne at Glastonbury where Bert talks about presenting them with an award at the BBC Folk Awards a couple of years ago and subsequently becoming a fan of their music and friendly with the band - and with their mums and dads - http://youtu.be/OkF1H6mO4Sc best to all PaulC PS The Unthanks were amazing last night! http://blip.fm/~1668u6 ________________________________________________________ On 10 July 2011 19:58, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Am 06.07.2011 02:50, Wie Steve Dulson so vortrefflich formulierte: > > Hello all! >> >> Thanks to a rave review in the LA Times, I recently bought >> Rob Young's book "Electric Eden - Unearthing Britain's >> Visionary Music. Unfortunately, I can't find the review >> > > There is a review in the New York Times as well. > You can find it online here: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/**06/05/books/review/book-** > review-electric-eden-by-rob-**young.html?_r=1&ref=books&**pagewanted=all > > > moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:03:00 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. It's great to see that Joni is up and about. I often wonder how she's doing these days and how near or far Mr G.R.I.M. Reaper is from her. He looks a way off from this picture. I don't know if it's just me, but I think Joni's Dad looks a wee bit overwhelmed in the photo. We have a good friend who reached her 100th in April and, when I talked to her a while back, it seemed that all the well meaning hullaballo around such a milestone as a hundreth birthday doesn't take into account all the loss the centenarian experiences. As our friend Eileen said 'All my friends are long dead. There's no-one who remembers all the things I do.' I can't imagine quite how that must feel. And seeing the picture, my thoughts also turn to theTea Leaf Prophecy. I wonder what it must be like to be Joni's Dad without Myrtle. Having said all this, I really hope they had a wonderful day and enjoyed the fabulous looking cake! Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:56:42 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: Recent Posts That photo of Joni hugging her father at his 100th almost had me welling up. Looking great the two of them.The Sounds interview with Graham Nash shows what a wise old soul he is. Joni the cement mixer - haha! No Nukes updated - fab! CSN doing a covers album - one can but hold one's breath. Surely, they have to do a Joni song. And if so, which? WtSx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. Awww. Wow. I can't believe Joni's Dad is going to be 100. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Les Irvin > To: Joni List > Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 12:00:09 AM > Subject: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. > > http://bit.ly/r8rsOo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 05:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Fleet Foxes live, Massey Hall, July 14/11 njc My daughter just shared this link with me. Someone caught some of the Massey Hall performance of Fleet Foxes live at Massey Hall, the concert we attended. The video on this isn't great, since the person was sitting up high (like us, except they were on the right and we were pretty much straight on.) But, the audio is great, and you hear that crazy heckler that yelled, "I've been waiting all my life for this" and the response. I remembered the quote a bit inaccurately. The song isn't complete, but it's still gorgeous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aOP8LbCkxU&feature=related ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. I think you may be right, Anita. I imagine it's very frightening to realize how old one is at some point. I just lost my last relative from my parents' generation, my Aunt Edith, who died a few weeks ago at the age of 95. For many years, she had been saying that she wanted to "go home" and how much she missed people, especially my mother (the two of them were very close and my mother died "young" for that family, at 77), and how God had forgotten about her and so on. Apparently a day or two before Edie died, she talked about how she was going on a trip with her sisters and she was looking forward to it. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anita G > To: Rob Wh > Cc: Les Irvin ; Joni List > Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 6:03:00 AM > Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. > > It's great to see that Joni is up and about. I often wonder how she's > doing these days and how near or far Mr G.R.I.M. Reaper is from her. > He looks a way off from this picture. > > I don't know if it's just me, but I think Joni's Dad looks a wee bit > overwhelmed in the photo. We have a good friend who reached her 100th > in April and, when I talked to her a while back, it seemed that all > the well meaning hullaballo around such a milestone as a hundreth > birthday doesn't take into account all the loss the centenarian > experiences. As our friend Eileen said 'All my friends are long dead. > There's no-one who remembers all the things I do.' I can't imagine > quite how that must feel. And seeing the picture, my thoughts also > turn to theTea Leaf Prophecy. I wonder what it must be like to be > Joni's Dad without Myrtle. Having said all this, I really hope they > had a wonderful day and enjoyed the fabulous looking cake! > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 05:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Recent Posts The "Joni as cement mixer" one is a very interesting comment. And probably very wise, at that. It would be a diss except for the rest of the comment. It also made me think of James Taylor's song (a choinin' oin of boinin' funk.) IF CSN does a Joni cover (I think I missed that post, but my brain is full of holes, so there ya go), I hope it's not Woodstock, because they've already done that one. I'd like to hear them cover something recent - something political or ecological, maybe from the last album. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: William Waddell > To: Joni Mitchell > Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 7:56:42 AM > Subject: Recent Posts > > That photo of Joni hugging her father at his 100th almost had me welling up. > Looking great the two of them.The Sounds interview with Graham Nash shows what > a wise old soul he is. Joni the cement mixer - haha! No Nukes updated - fab! > CSN doing a covers album - one can but hold one's breath. Surely, they have > to do a Joni song. And if so, which? > WtSx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. Aww, that is so sweet! I hope he has a wonderful 100th birthday! He does look a little overwhelmed in that picture but I guess that should be expected. - -Monika From: Les Irvin To: Joni List Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. http://bit.ly/r8rsOo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:33:04 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #206 Thanks Les, for that Joni photo. She & her dad look so much alike, I think. Glad to see she's out & about. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:00:09 -0600 > From: Les Irvin > Subject: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. > > http://bit.ly/r8rsOo > > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:31:32 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. I guess it's finding the balance between celebration of an incredible milestone (which, of course, reaching 100 is) and acknowledgement of other things that may be in the picture,too, as they were for your Aunt Edie. She clearly missed people and I find it moving that she was looking forward to her 'trip.' These kind of experiences remind me that other times (like Christmas) are celebrated with big style and panache and everyone is supposed to be HAPPY, yet lots of people at those times also are remembering those they have lost. They don't feel happy at all. No wonder 'River' was such a Joni hit. It captured the other side of Christmas perfectly, and that deep sense of loss. Anita x On 17 July 2011 13:26, Catherine McKay wrote: > I think you may be right, Anita. I imagine it's very frightening to realize how > old one is at some point. I just lost my last relative from my parents' > generation, my Aunt Edith, who died a few weeks ago at the age of 95. For many > years, she had been saying that she wanted to "go home" and how much she missed > people, especially my mother (the two of them were very close and my mother died > "young" for that family, at 77), and how God had forgotten about her and so on. > Apparently a day or two before Edie died, she talked about how she was going on > a trip with her sisters and she was looking forward to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:14:44 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. Thanks Les, Beautiful! Rosie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Les Irvin wrote: > http://bit.ly/r8rsOo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:59:35 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) A bunch of funny/coincidental events over the past 24 hours. I'm living in a (good, spotless, bedbug-free) Residential Hotel right on Market Street at Civic Center. For those not familiar with San Francisco, *everything* is nearby, crucially for me the public library (1/2 block), and both Muni Subway and Bart *and* about two dozen buslines stop outside the door. I'm "celebrating" 30 years of HIV, there are, and will be, no new drugs because the powers that be sensibly enough decided that was more than enough Rx to treat HIV for any *newcomers* to the virus indefinitely. I've stopped taking antivirals, for the first time with my doctor's consent, because I've done it three times before and gotten away with it when I returned to taking them. This is insanely risky, according to the received wisdom, because one opens oneself up to bizarre and deadly infections. At the moment, I'm anemic, my white blood cells are low, and I've got about half the normal complement of platelets; people who know me draw the conclusion that my stressed-out organs are floating in a sea of HIV and Coca-Cola. My right lung is infected and partly collapsed. And so on and so on. That wasn't the funny/coincidental part, in case you were wondering, although (and this may be what keeps me alive) I find parts of it hilarious. People make adult diapers jokes in from of me all the time not knowing I'm wearing one. I'm still able to walk unaided, although not as far as I used to. Bottom line is I've been through so much in three decades that I'm not particularly scared or depressed. I've survived possibly 1,000,000-to-one odds and plan to continue to do so. Finally, my point. I'm certain all of *you* know AIDS is not "cured", and that are handfuls of people in exactly my predicament. (Sorry to jump in with this, but is Mingus still among us?) AIDS is now eminently *treatable* IF you're new to the virus, but I still have people say to me "Isn't it wonderful that AIDS is cured!" I'm a nice, even-tempered guy, so I explain the reality calmly, gently. Now for the coincidental/funny part. My hotel went up in the first years after the 1906 quake. Apparently for some reason, any unexposed walls were painted with a metallic substance. You see it sometimes when buildings are torn down, leaving suddenly exposed sides of neighboring buildings with shiny sides; you also see it in "interior" exterior walls, like the air-and-light holes, one of which I see outside my window, as I have an interior room. Don't know what the metal is (pretty sure it's not lead, too shiny), but it wreaks havoc with cell phones and WiFi. I'm going to have to switch from Sprint if I'm going to stay on here (all depends on my surgery in August), and the best I could do riding on someone's unsecured Wifi was two bars, and that was leaning out my window. I have to go outside if I'm to make an important phone call. Then, yesterday, someone new moved in next door with WiFi -- Unsecured! Five bars!! Yay! -- Hope they live here as long as I do! I discovered this as I was being visited by my pal Julan, who is a computer genius and an accomplished "white/grey" hacker. And she set up Torrent (the one with a green circle with a Greek Mu inside; she called it a curlicue). I expressed my queasiness with downloading for free what I would normally be paying for, but she says "everybody does this", a weak argument if I ever heard one. In case you're wondering, I'm an old-fashioned 55 and she's youthful, hi-tech 45, which I think explains some of the difference in attitude, although we have nearly identical personalities and (crucially) senses of humor. Anyway, I've tried following the string on the list about "To Torrent or Not to Torrent" with only vague success. And then, as I was cruising around without having to lean out the window, and article popped up about Morgellons. It was truly bizarre. Remember in the X-Files when Scullay discovered a small object implanted in the back of her neck that my have been responsible for her cancer (and she found other women in the same boat)? This article claimed that a woman with Morgellons had a rash in the same exact location as Scullay, and when they cut open her neck they discovered a tape embedded there with lots of (I think silicon) little needles sticking out of it. Hokey Smokes, Bullwinkle! And I deeply apologize for this, but just at that moment, I had another visitor, and while we were talking, I lost my connection without having bookmarked the page. Nuts. Haven't been able to find it again yet; frankly, I strongly suspect the site to be a weirdo conspiracy whackjob site. But still, could be, if not "fun", then intriguing. Best to all, Walt "Little" Breen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:07:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. Christmas affects me both ways. It's bitter-sweet. It's good if you can ignore the hype altogether. I don't mind bittersweet. I remember Christmases past with a lot of fondness. My Aunt Edie was kind of in-and-out as far as dementia went. She could remember many things very clearly, so you'd get very good stories of my Mum's family from her, but she also had times where she was completely not herself, which is very sad, but it's a reality we have to face. She would get different generations mixed up, but I've done that myself, mixing up people from my past with one another and creating a whole new composite character. I've often thought that going senile might be a terrible thing but, if you did go senile, you'd be the last person to recognize it, so, in the end, it probably wouldn't make a lot of difference. The people who love you would know what's going on and they'd still love you, so it would be all right after all. I've seen the look that's on Bill Anderson's face on a lot of old people - a little startled, a little "WTF?" and, the older I get, the more I realize that we really have absolutely no idea how old we might look to others, and that we never reallyy feel old and we start wondering why our body isn't behaving the way we think it should. It's kind of disappointing, but there's always kind of a feeling of, "Aha! So that's what it is!" that makes it fit and make sense and not be so bad. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anita G > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: Rob Wh ; Les Irvin ; Joni List > > Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 1:31:32 PM > Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. > > I guess it's finding the balance between celebration of an incredible > milestone (which, of course, reaching 100 is) and acknowledgement of > other things that may be in the picture,too, as they were for your > Aunt Edie. She clearly missed people and I find it moving that she was > looking forward to her 'trip.' > > These kind of experiences remind me that other times (like Christmas) > are celebrated with big style and panache and everyone is supposed to > be HAPPY, yet lots of people at those times also are remembering those > they have lost. They don't feel happy at all. No wonder 'River' was > such a Joni hit. It captured the other side of Christmas perfectly, > and that deep sense of loss. > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon Any way those of us in China (just me, I guess) can get to see these? Bob NP: Gillian Welch, "Down Along The Dixie Line" (reeeeally great record from her) - ----- Original Message ---- From: Monica Cardinale To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 3:47:54 PM Subject: RE: Joni sighting in Saskatoon How nice to see these pictures and the first one with Joni and her dad is so beautiful and touching. Thanks! Monica - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:00:09 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. http://bit.ly/r8rsOo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) Walt, you have to know this: I love hearing from you. I love reading what you have to say. Even if what you have to say might make no sense at the time, it does later on. I know the torrent program you're talking about and, for some reason, I've always called it "Poo-torrent," even if I know that's NOT what it's called. (I use Transmission because I have a Mac.) I am also guilty of downloading a bunch o' stuff illegally and I also have a weak excuse that I believe to be true: downloading stuff, even if illegal, has opened me up to a LOT of musicians and bands that I might not have been aware of otherwise and I SWEAR by whatever-gods-there-be that it has also made me pay for a lot of stuff I probably wouldn't even have thought of otherwise, so there may be benefits to it in the end. Whatever you may think of it (and I KNOW in my intrinsically-Catholic-but-lapsed-and-wanna-fuggedabout-it soul that it's WRONG, but I still do it), it is a reality, and something that must be come to grips with and that there is probably a positive potential (such as what I mentioned earlier about opening minds to more STUFF) and, where the hell was I? I'm glad you're back in San Francisco. I will always think of you when I think of San Francisco. It's one place I really wanna visit one day! I think you belong there and that you are the essence of San Francisconess. I was just talking to one of my sisters last night about the X-files, although I can't remember why that came up, but I think it had to do with someone being found dead on a toilet (conversation among my siblings inevitably sinks to the lowest common denominator, cuz we ain't got no class and my mother always wished she could send us to "finishing school," whatever that is!) I am very sorry and sad to say that Mingus left us very recently and I hate to have you know like this. He was another one of our very dear souls that so many of us have met in person and known on the list for such a long time. I have to admit that, when I hear or read about Morgellons, I always feel itchy all over. I remember talking to a woman years ago, because of the job I do, who talked about thinking she had some sort of parasite burrowing under her skin and how she had taken it in for analysis and how all the health pros she talked to believed she was crazy and yet, she did not sound crazy to me and, some 20 years on, I wonder whether she was talking about Morgellons? I'm feeling itchy again, but I'm afraid to look at my skin...just in case. Lots of love to you, Walt - I am so happy you're here! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Walt Breen > To: Jonilist Jmdler > Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 6:59:35 PM > Subject: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons >(njc) > > A bunch of funny/coincidental events over the past 24 hours. > > I'm living in a (good, spotless, bedbug-free) Residential Hotel right on > Market Street at Civic Center. For those not familiar with San Francisco, > *everything* is nearby, crucially for me the public library (1/2 block), and > both Muni Subway and Bart *and* about two dozen buslines stop outside the > door. I'm "celebrating" 30 years of HIV, there are, and will be, no new drugs > because the powers that be sensibly enough decided that was more than enough > Rx to treat HIV for any *newcomers* to the virus indefinitely. I've stopped > taking antivirals, for the first time with my doctor's consent, because I've > done it three times before and gotten away with it when I returned to taking > them. This is insanely risky, according to the received wisdom, because one > opens oneself up to bizarre and deadly infections. At the moment, I'm anemic, > my white blood cells are low, and I've got about half the normal complement >of > platelets; people who know me draw the conclusion that my stressed-out organs > are floating in a sea of HIV and Coca-Cola. My right lung is infected and > partly collapsed. And so on and so on. > > That wasn't the funny/coincidental part, in case you were wondering, although > (and this may be what keeps me alive) I find parts of it hilarious. People > make adult diapers jokes in from of me all the time not knowing I'm wearing > one. I'm still able to walk unaided, although not as far as I used to. Bottom > line is I've been through so much in three decades that I'm not particularly > scared or depressed. I've survived possibly 1,000,000-to-one odds and plan to > continue to do so. Finally, my point. I'm certain all of *you* know AIDS is > not "cured", and that are handfuls of people in exactly my predicament. (Sorry > to jump in with this, but is Mingus still among us?) AIDS is now eminently > *treatable* IF you're new to the virus, but I still have people say to me > "Isn't it wonderful that AIDS is cured!" I'm a nice, even-tempered guy, so I > explain the reality calmly, gently. > > Now for the coincidental/funny part. My hotel went up in the first years after > the 1906 quake. Apparently for some reason, any unexposed walls were painted > with a metallic substance. You see it sometimes when buildings are torn down, > leaving suddenly exposed sides of neighboring buildings with shiny sides; you > also see it in "interior" exterior walls, like the air-and-light holes, one of > which I see outside my window, as I have an interior room. Don't know what the > metal is (pretty sure it's not lead, too shiny), but it wreaks havoc with cell > phones and WiFi. I'm going to have to switch from Sprint if I'm going to stay > on here (all depends on my surgery in August), and the best I could do riding > on someone's unsecured Wifi was two bars, and that was leaning out my window. > I have to go outside if I'm to make an important phone call. > > Then, yesterday, someone new moved in next door with WiFi -- Unsecured! Five > bars!! Yay! -- Hope they live here as long as I do! I discovered this as I was > being visited by my pal Julan, who is a computer genius and an accomplished > "white/grey" hacker. And she set up Torrent (the one with a green circle with > a Greek Mu inside; she called it a curlicue). I expressed my queasiness with > downloading for free what I would normally be paying for, but she says > "everybody does this", a weak argument if I ever heard one. In case you're > wondering, I'm an old-fashioned 55 and she's youthful, hi-tech 45, which I > think explains some of the difference in attitude, although we have nearly > identical personalities and (crucially) senses of humor. Anyway, I've tried > following the string on the list about "To Torrent or Not to Torrent" with > only vague success. > > And then, as I was cruising around without having to lean out the window, and > article popped up about Morgellons. It was truly bizarre. Remember in the > X-Files when Scullay discovered a small object implanted in the back of her > neck that my have been responsible for her cancer (and she found other women > in the same boat)? This article claimed that a woman with Morgellons had a > rash in the same exact location as Scullay, and when they cut open her neck > they discovered a tape embedded there with lots of (I think silicon) little > needles sticking out of it. Hokey Smokes, Bullwinkle! And I deeply apologize > for this, but just at that moment, I had another visitor, and while we were > talking, I lost my connection without having bookmarked the page. Nuts. > Haven't been able to find it again yet; frankly, I strongly suspect the site > to be a weirdo conspiracy whackjob site. But still, could be, if not "fun", > then intriguing. Best to all, > > Walt "Little" Breen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:23:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon Does this link work, Bob? http://www.leaderpost.com/life/pets/Joni+Mitchell+Saskatoon+help+father+celebrate+100th+birthday/5109815/story.html And if not, here's the picture, with my apologies to everyone-that's-not-Muller, because SMOE don't let you attach things: - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob Muller > To: Monica Cardinale ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 7:13:30 PM > Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon > > Any way those of us in China (just me, I guess) can get to see these? > > Bob > > NP: Gillian Welch, "Down Along The Dixie Line" (reeeeally great record from >her) > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Monica Cardinale > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 3:47:54 PM > Subject: RE: Joni sighting in Saskatoon > > How nice to see these pictures and the first one with Joni and her dad is so > beautiful and touching. > Thanks! > Monica > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:00:09 -0600 > From: Les Irvin > Subject: Joni sighting in Saskatoon. > > http://bit.ly/r8rsOo [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 5108882.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni sighting in Saskatoon Thanks Les & Catherine - good pictures but she looks so thin. And so much like Myrtle! Bob NP: Gillian Welch, "Scarlet Town" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:52:05 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: I-405 shutdown, njc BBC news had a story about the I-405 shutdown in Los Angeles this weekend. I was surprised that it wasn't a local story. Maybe the overnight BBC news is tailored to North America because some stations over here carry the overnight news. Anyway, Los Angeles, the eyes of the world are on you this weekend. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 17:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: I-405 shutdown, njc I saw the story here in Beijing..."Carmageddon". Of course, Beijing traffic can also be that way. Bob, who hasn't been behind the wheel of a car since March. NP: P.M. Dawn, "You Got Me Floatin'" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim L'Hommedieu To: JMDL Sent: Mon, July 18, 2011 7:52:05 AM Subject: I-405 shutdown, njc BBC news had a story about the I-405 shutdown in Los Angeles this weekend. I was surprised that it wasn't a local story. Maybe the overnight BBC news is tailored to North America because some stations over here carry the overnight news. Anyway, Los Angeles, the eyes of the world are on you this weekend. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:36:20 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: RE: Mingus's Passing, and fighting depression (njc) Hi, Katherine, Thanks for the wonderful response -- you make me laugh, too! But so sad to hear about Mingus. I think another jmdler (Jimmy?) asked me to write to him after I reappeared in late '09 or early '10 after a nearly four-year absence from the net; he told me that Mingus was depressed and isolating himself, something I understand; I'm not inclined to depression, but it happens -- I call friends to drag me out of it. Or I write. Right now, having finished Steve Martin's "Pleasure of My Company", I'm halfway through "Shopgirl". What an amazing writer! He tends to write in short sentences but his psychological acuity and the precision of his words is amazing. And he makes me howl with laughter. The main character in "Pleasure" has a host of OCDs, among them the inability to cross streets at corners because he's afraid to step off curbs. Having mentioned this, he later states that his favorite Rite-Aid is 8 blocks away, and it usually takes him 45 minutes to get there on foot. Love, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:30:07 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) Walt, Count me among those who are always glad to hear from you. My late partner Edward used to say, 'some of us may lose the battle but some of us have to go on to win the war'. I think of you as a seasoned veteran of the fight and just knowing you are still there, soldiering on, keeping your heart and humor is comforting to me. Your patience with people who think AIDS has been 'cured' is admirable. I haven't encountered that attitude face to face but I know it exists and it pisses me off. And I have not been through anything like you have. I am among the lucky ones who went on for years and years, carrying the virus but not needing medication. By the time my viral load went up over 100,000 though, my doctor decided I should start treatment. That was in the summer of 2005 and the available medications had increased and improved in their effectiveness. Side effects are also less nasty than they had been with some of the previous treatments. But that was a particularly stressful time of my life. The company I worked for for over 20 years was bought out by DHL and my department was one of the last to be phased out of the corporate headquarters in Seattle. We watched as most of the people we had known and worked with for years left while the building got emptier and emptier. Then several months before my 'end date', my dad passed away. I had a nice severance by the time I finally left but I found myself having to find a new job at the age of 50. In the summer I started on the HIV meds. Eventually I got another job, thanks to a woman who had been my manager at one time. But it was very stressful trying to learn something new that I didn't really feel cut out for. The culture of the company I work for is also very different from the one I left. The department I work in is especially focused on training and 'career'. Well I admit it, at this point of my life, I just want to do my job until it's time to retire. I don't really care about career advancement. I did find a way to fit my skill set in to the department but now I'm the only one who does the job I do. No backup. If I'm not there, it doesnbt get done. The work load increases and I'm supposed to be 'visionary' and find faster ways to do the job. But enough whining about my job. Believe me I know I'm lucky to have one and to work for a company that is actually doing well. To be fair, the CEO took the attitude that the employees are the company's greatest asset and refused to lay people off when the US economy went to hell. So I guess I shouldn't sink my teeth into the hand that brings me things....well you get the idea. About 4 months after starting at this new company, my mother passed away. By that time I was starting to develop what seemed like an exaggerated level of anxiety. I have always been prone to worrying or as a friend has said 'brooding about things'. I know some of this is either learned or hereditary because both of my parents were like that. But this got to a level I had never been to before. I even told my boss at one point that I didn't think I could do the job. He reassured me and sort of talked me out of quitting. That was not too long after I started the job. I don't remember if it was that Christmas or the following one when I started to feel so stressed and anxious that I told Travis I felt like I wanted to go jump off a bridge somewhere. He called our doctor who recommended that I take some of the medication Travis takes for anxiety. (Travis has been on HIV treatments for probably somewhere around 20-30 years.) That calmed me down and I am on an anti-depressant and anti-anxiety medication to this day. It gets me through the day but sometimes if things are particularly stressful at work, I still have a hard time of it. Maybe you can imagine what it was like when Travis had his fall and I came home from work and didn't know where he was. But that's a whole other story. I got through that. But when Catherine mentioned her feelings about Christmas, it made me think of how it's been a struggle to get back to a place where I don't fear that something awful will happen every time December comes around. It's much better now. But to get back to where I started to go with this, I know that 2005-6 was a time of a lot of changes and stress for me. But I still wonder to this day if some of the medication I take for HIV hasn't exacerbated my anxiety. I don't think I have ever felt quite the same since I started taking those meds. And all of this has made me feel somewhat isolated and I think has made me distance myself from people. I often feel that I have missed out on a lot of the fellowship of this community through no-one's fault but my own. Some of it is money and time concerns. Travis retired a few years ago and that has limited our income. And, as I said, whether it's real or imaginary, I feel like I can't be away from my job for more than a day or two. So, no, AIDS has not been 'cured' and the treatments are still no picnic. I don't blame you for going off of them, Walt. I wish you only the best. As I said the start of this, nothing I have been through comes close to Walt's or, for that matter, David Mingus' experience and I apologize if this comes off as trivial and whiny. For some reason Walt's post made me feel compelled to spill my guts. Maybe this is totally inappropriate but I hope you will not judge me too harshly for it. This forum is an important part of my life whether I show it or not. I will end this on a more positive note by saying I admire you, Walt. You are a hero to me. Mark - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 4:20 PM To: Walt Breen ; Jonilist Jmdler Subject: Re: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) Walt, you have to know this: I love hearing from you. I love reading what you have to say. Even if what you have to say might make no sense at the time, it does later on. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 00:27:38 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: RE: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) Hey Mark, I've had "reverse seasonal affect disorder" since I was a child. The "regular" version is depression and fastigue during the dark months; but about 1% of us have the reverse, in which the endless, bright days and heat of summer drive us batty with anxiety and insomnia. Right around the time you had to had to finally go on the antivirals (I've been on them since '96), Robert went into his final decline; he died in February '06, and I kind of closed up shop for repairs. The following summer, the merely annoying reverse seasonal affect disorder became a screeching anxiety disorder. I'd never been prescribed antidepressents because, even through cancer and pneumocystis, my spirits had been good (it REALLY helps to have a dark sense of humor). But now, summer of '06, I absolutely could not step outside the house during the day. My beloved dog Marie adjusted to being walked only in dusk and dark. Days when I absolutely *had* to appear somewhere during the day were hellish. I finally brought it up with my doc, who referred me to a psychiatrist, apparently an idiot, who prescribed Prozac. Yes, Prozac. For anxiety. As luck would have it, my first (and last) day on the drug coincided with my best friend's 50th birthday. I might as well have snorted a huge line of crystal meth. It was actually quite funny, although I'm not sure how the waitstaff felt about us by the time we left the restaurant. Eventually, my own doc and I worked out a combination of Wellbutrin (the mellowest of the antidepressants, imho) and crucially, a wonderdrug called citalopram, aka Celexa, an antianxietal that generally works well for me, although I have ativan as backup as necessary. I don't know whether it was the billions of drug interactions or my extreme circumstances (R's death and my own very poor health) that pushed me over the edge. I will say that San Francisco's tall buildings, fog and cool breezes are a lot easier for me to handle than semi-rural Utah's relentless sun and high temps (I just moved back to SF after 20 months in the Beehive State; nice scenery and well-meaning people in Utah, but BOY am I glad to be back). Cheers, Walt "Little" Breen > From: mark.travis@frontier.com > To: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; littlebreen@live.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque Morgellons (njc) > Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:30:07 -0700 > > Walt, > > Count me among those who are always glad to hear from you. My late partner > Edward used to say, 'some of us may lose the battle but some of us have to > go on to win the war'. I think of you as a seasoned veteran of the fight > and just knowing you are still there, soldiering on, keeping your heart and > humor is comforting to me. > > Your patience with people who think AIDS has been 'cured' is admirable. I > haven't encountered that attitude face to face but I know it exists and it > pisses me off. And I have not been through anything like you have. I am > among the lucky ones who went on for years and years, carrying the virus but > not needing medication. By the time my viral load went up over 100,000 > though, my doctor decided I should start treatment. That was in the summer > of 2005 and the available medications had increased and improved in their > effectiveness. Side effects are also less nasty than they had been with > some of the previous treatments. > > But that was a particularly stressful time of my life. The company I worked > for for over 20 years was bought out by DHL and my department was one of the > last to be phased out of the corporate headquarters in Seattle. We watched > as most of the people we had known and worked with for years left while the > building got emptier and emptier. Then several months before my 'end date', > my dad passed away. I had a nice severance by the time I finally left but I > found myself having to find a new job at the age of 50. In the summer I > started on the HIV meds. Eventually I got another job, thanks to a woman > who had been my manager at one time. But it was very stressful trying to > learn something new that I didn't really feel cut out for. The culture of > the company I work for is also very different from the one I left. The > department I work in is especially focused on training and 'career'. Well I > admit it, at this point of my life, I just want to do my job until it's time > to retire. I don't really care about career advancement. I did find a way > to fit my skill set in to the department but now I'm the only one who does > the job I do. No backup. If I'm not there, it doesnt get done. The work > load increases and I'm supposed to be 'visionary' and find faster ways to do > the job. But enough whining about my job. Believe me I know I'm lucky to > have one and to work for a company that is actually doing well. To be fair, > the CEO took the attitude that the employees are the company's greatest > asset and refused to lay people off when the US economy went to hell. So I > guess I shouldn't sink my teeth into the hand that brings me things....well > you get the idea. > > About 4 months after starting at this new company, my mother passed away. > By that time I was starting to develop what seemed like an exaggerated level > of anxiety. I have always been prone to worrying or as a friend has said > 'brooding about things'. I know some of this is either learned or > hereditary because both of my parents were like that. But this got to a > level I had never been to before. I even told my boss at one point that I > didn't think I could do the job. He reassured me and sort of talked me out > of quitting. That was not too long after I started the job. I don't > remember if it was that Christmas or the following one when I started to > feel so stressed and anxious that I told Travis I felt like I wanted to go > jump off a bridge somewhere. He called our doctor who recommended that I > take some of the medication Travis takes for anxiety. (Travis has been on > HIV treatments for probably somewhere around 20-30 years.) That calmed me > down and I am on an anti-depressant and anti-anxiety medication to this day. > It gets me through the day but sometimes if things are particularly > stressful at work, I still have a hard time of it. Maybe you can imagine > what it was like when Travis had his fall and I came home from work and > didn't know where he was. But that's a whole other story. I got through > that. But when Catherine mentioned her feelings about Christmas, it made me > think of how it's been a struggle to get back to a place where I don't fear > that something awful will happen every time December comes around. It's > much better now. > > But to get back to where I started to go with this, I know that 2005-6 was a > time of a lot of changes and stress for me. But I still wonder to this day > if some of the medication I take for HIV hasn't exacerbated my anxiety. I > don't think I have ever felt quite the same since I started taking those > meds. And all of this has made me feel somewhat isolated and I think has > made me distance myself from people. I often feel that I have missed out on > a lot of the fellowship of this community through no-one's fault but my own. > Some of it is money and time concerns. Travis retired a few years ago and > that has limited our income. And, as I said, whether it's real or > imaginary, I feel like I can't be away from my job for more than a day or > two. > > So, no, AIDS has not been 'cured' and the treatments are still no picnic. I > don't blame you for going off of them, Walt. I wish you only the best. > > As I said the start of this, nothing I have been through comes close to > Walt's or, for that matter, David Mingus' experience and I apologize if this > comes off as trivial and whiny. For some reason Walt's post made me feel > compelled to spill my guts. Maybe this is totally inappropriate but I hope > you will not judge me too harshly for it. This forum is an important part > of my life whether I show it or not. > > I will end this on a more positive note by saying I admire you, Walt. You > are a hero to me. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Catherine McKay > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 4:20 PM > To: Walt Breen ; Jonilist Jmdler > Subject: Re: AIDS is not "cured", Torrential Ludditism and X-Filesque > Morgellons (njc) > > Walt, you have to know this: I love hearing from you. I love reading what > you > have to say. Even if what you have to say might make no sense at the time, > it > does later on. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #207 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------