From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #205 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 16 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 205 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Downloads with Joni Content,easily downloadable and great outcome! [Anita] Graham Nash - what he whispered to Joni in THAT picture [Corey Blake ] Downloads NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Downloads NJC [Richard Flynn ] Re: 2011 Joni covers download [Paul Castle ] New Library item: Bob Dylan's Not Really a Plagiarist (He's a Conceptual Artist) [TheStaff@JoniMit] Re: 2011 Joni covers download now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Illegal File sharing/Fleet Foxes (NJC) [Jim ] Re: Downloads with Joni Content,easily downloadable and great outcome! [D] Fleet Foxes now NJC [Bob Muller ] Scott Walker - njc [Gerald Notaro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:48 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Downloads with Joni Content,easily downloadable and great outcome! Having just returned from a month touring British Columbia and Alberta, I was delighted to get back on list and see that this year's Joni Covers Album, put together by our dear Dave Blackburn to help raise funds for Joni.com was available. I am loathe to admit that I prefer this year's album, especially as I contributed to the album last year! Maybe it's the way the songs hang together as a whole, maybe it's the way Dave has ordered them or maybe the spread of songs is different or (through my very gritted teeth this one) perhaps the performances are just better or more varied. Whatever it is, for me it's a super listen. Hear 'Trouble Child' played acoustically, 'Song for Sharon' electrically and without a vocal, a bright elusive butterfly version of 'Song of the Midway', 'The Magdalene Laundries' sung with an Irish lilt by a man, 'Carnival in Kenora' straight out of the Beatles '68 with a vocal reminiscent of Joni's earliest days, the smokiest version of 'Blue Motel Room' I've ever heard,a real live party version of 'People's Parties', a very English 'Edith and the Kingpin', a very American Dixie Chick 'Big Yellow Taxi' and a rocking Harlem in Havana with a guitar sound that could have been played by Joni herself. Well, How Do You Stop? And that's a great number on this album too. All done for the Love of Joni Mitchell Dot Com by people whom you know and love, right here on this site. My hope is that everyone's digging into their credit cards and supporting all the work that our dear Les undertakes every day and that Dave Blackburn has given hours of time to putting together. Thanks to them both. Particular thanks to everyone who contributed to the album,too. It's a great thing you've done. We get a great selection of music and get to feel good about ourselves,too! If you haven't got it yet, get on it now.You can't lose. Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:14:34 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Graham Nash - what he whispered to Joni in THAT picture I haven't watched the interview yet, but supposedly he gets a little emotional when explaining what he was whispering to Joni in that often-seen picture of them from the early '70s. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4fL_2A2WsU - -Corey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:13:10 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Downloads NJC I was just a part of "Career Day" at a local Middle School where I was asked to talk about the career of Musician. During the presentation I asked the three classes of kids (12-14 years old) how many of them had EVER paid for the music they all have on their iPods. Not one. You're right, Bob, that kids now assume music, and all "content", is free and I made it a point to explain the the career of music was rendered pretty much impossible if no one pays you for your work. That was a revelation for them and hopefully got them at least aware of the ramifications of one's actions. Dave On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > Thanks Laurent - I'm aware of PirateBay, not sure if I can get it here (doubt > it) but my preference is to buy the music, either by legal download or in an > independent shop. Better for the artist, better for the indie music store, > better for the business. > It's an interesting topic - when I was a teenager I'd borrow my friends' records > and put them on cassette, and they'd borrow mine and do the same. Kind of the > illegal downloading of the time. But I was also buying lots of music at the > time. I'm not so sure that today's teenagers are doing their share of buying - > they have been trained to think that music is free and that hurts lots of folks > who are trying to make a living at it. Even now I'll burn copies of CD's that I > think friends will like and give them to them in hopes of turning them on to the > artist. My buddy Don has given me quite a few and turned me on to lots of > artists whose CD's I'm now buying. > > > Meanwhile, Moni told me about Grooveshark.com which comes through loud and clear > here in Noodletown. Spun the Bon Iver yesterday and listening to the new Jason > Isbell now. Thanks Moni! > (And yes Michael Paz I know that you and Jason are good pals, haha) > > Bob > > NP: Jason Isbell, "Tour Of Duty" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:38:22 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Downloads NJC I think it's a generational phenomena. Record companies in France target housewiwes and people who they assume are less computer literate and thus less likely to download. I am wondering whether horrendous concert tix prices are the result, as this is the main income for many artists? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:55:30 -0400 From: Richard Flynn Subject: Re: Downloads NJC One needs to distinguish between grey area sites like Dimeadozen, which is very effective at policing against official releases and a site like Pirate Bay or Demonoid whose main purpose is to facilitate theft of music that is for sale. I personally have bought much more music and and have discovered new artists after hearing unofficial recordings of live shows on DIME. While I will collect live recordings and bootlegs of artists I love (though I will only trade and won't pay money to bootleggers), I also make it a point to buy their official releases and go to see them live if possible. For older artists, like Joni, I have usually bought their entire catalogue at least twice (on lp and CD, I think I even have a cassette of Dog Eat Dog in a shoebox somewhere). But old fogies like us are the exception, I guess. I know what Dave and Bob are saying is true. I won't claim utter purity. I have occasionally ripped a friend's CD to my computer, but not very often. Richard On 7/15/2011 11:13 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I was just a part of "Career Day" at a local Middle School where I was asked to talk about the career of Musician. During the presentation I asked the three classes of kids (12-14 years old) how many of them had EVER paid for the music they all have on their iPods. Not one. You're right, Bob, that kids now assume music, and all "content", is free and I made it a point to explain the the career of music was rendered pretty much impossible if no one pays you for your work. That was a revelation for them and hopefully got them at least aware of the ramifications of one's actions. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:23:04 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: 2011 Joni covers download Thanks for the download, Dave - loaded the tracks into my iPod and listened to them all a couple of times yesterday on my weekly 3-hour drive from London up into the Cotswolds to visit my 96 year old father. It kept me in such a good mood singing along - and even air-guitaring along in the usual M25 jam - which didn't stress me at all this week. Thanks so much to all who contributed. Makes me wonder where others are listening to theirs - would love to hear best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:52:42 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Bob Dylan's Not Really a Plagiarist (He's a Conceptual Artist) Title: Bob Dylan's Not Really a Plagiarist (He's a Conceptual Artist) Publication: Huffington Post Date: 2011.7.15 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2390 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 2011 Joni covers download now NJC Right now, I'm listening to Fleet Foxes - both CDs, but not at the same time ;-) Just saw them in concert last night at Massey Hall and I was blown away by how GOOD they are live. In fact, the word "good" just isn't good enough. My kids and I all agreed that that was probably the best concert we've ever been to. Their harmonies are perfect, their instrumentals are flawless, and the acoustics at Massey Hall are great, so I have to hear them again and again (for now, that is, until my short attention span sucks me back some other way.) Just thought I'd share some silliness from last night. We were sitting in the top balcony, but pretty much in the centre. There were a fair numbers of hooters and hollerers, (there are so many more of those these days than i remember ever before), including one very LOUD guy, the kind you'd expect to encounter at a sports event, and not necessarily at a concert by Sensitive Artists. When they first came on stage, this guy bellowed, "I've been waiting all my life for this! It better be good!" Of course, everyone laughed, and the FF's drummer (sorry, I don't know names), said, "You've been waiting ALL YOUR LIFE??" After they had done a song or two, this same guy bellowed, "Man, your harmonies are f*ckin' PERFECT!" (I don't know about you, but I guess I just don't expect Loud Men to appreciate that kind of thing.) Later, halfway through the show, the drummer announced, for the benefit of the Loud Man in particular, "We're now half way through our show. I hope you're enjoying the experience." A bit later, the singer was trying to tune his guitar, played a few chords, and apologized for what he called "some tasteless chords." The drummer said, "Fortunately, it's impossible for drummers to do anything tasteless." I don't play ait guitar ever, and especially not when I'm driving, but have been known to sing very loud when driving alone in the car, but not when I have passengers, because I get too embarassed. Good music does make the trip go better! It kept me in such a good > mood singing along - and even air-guitaring along in the > usual M25 jam - which didn't stress me at all this week. > > Thanks so much to all who contributed. > > Makes me wonder where others are listening to theirs - > would love to hear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 21:40:38 +0100 From: Joe Jones Subject: More on Morgellons Disease Hi, may be of interest to some. Joe, St. Asaph, UK np - Pacific Ocean Blue - Dennis Wilson http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8626767/Morgellons-Disease-continues-to-defeat-scientists.html Morgellons Disease continues to defeat scientists - Burrowing bugs, delusions or a nervous disorder? Why can't medical scientists get to the bottom of Morgellons Disease - By Will Storr Nick Mann was convinced that something was burrowing into his skin. The 48-year-old father of two had been for a walk in the beautiful grounds of Abney Park Cemetery, down the road from his home in Hackney, east London. It was sunny and he'd been wearing shorts and sandals. That evening, his legs began itching. Marks sprang up all over his body. "I just knew something was on me," he remembers. "Something digging or biting into my skin." Over the coming days, lesions opened up on his body. Running his fingertips over them, he could feel something inside: it felt like spines or fibres, he says. He began to feel tormented. What were these bugs? How many were there? Would he ever be rid of them? One afternoon, in desperation, Nick stripped naked in his kitchen and determined to dig one out as soon as felt it 'bite'. "I stood there for three or four hours, waiting," he says. "As soon as it did, I went for it with a hypodermic needle. There was one on my nipple." He pales slightly. "You know, I can't get that out of my head. It was so painful. I dug the needle in and felt it flicking against something that wasn't me. And I just carried on digging and scooping." It took nearly four hours. "At one point my wife came in and saw blood dripping down my leg." By the end of the afternoon, Nick had dug out three of the mysterious entities from his body. They were so small, he says, you could only see them when they moved. Having managed to transfer them into a jar, he proudly showed his wife. Karen peered into the pot. She could see nothing. Nick, however, knew he was on the verge of discovering what this strange and maddening condition was. It was back in 2001 that the first modern-day reports of a mysterious "fibre disease" began to emerge from the US. When Mary Leitao's two-year-old son complained of "bugs in his skin" and subsequently broke out in lesions, the worried mother examined him with a toy microscope. Under the lens, she found bizarre, many-coloured fibres. Leitao christened the condition Morgellons Disease, after a similar bizarre outbreak of "harsh hairs" on children that was reported in the 17th century. She was compelled to name it herself for a simple, but surprising reason: doctor after doctor dismissed her concerns. They said she was neurotic; that it was a figment of her imagination. A decade later, Leitao's Morgellons Research Foundation claims to have been contacted by more than 12,000 families from all over the world. All of them claim to have the itch, the lesions and the fibres. But the vast majority of sufferers had been dismissed by medical professionals as being mentally ill, with a condition known as Delusions of Parasitosis, in which sufferers are falsely convinced that they are infested. Despite this, in 2006, there was enough pressure put on the American government for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] to form a task force to look into the matter. "We're not ready to concede there's a new disease," a spokesman said at the time. "But the volume of concern has stepped up because a lot of people are writing or calling their congressmen about it." One of the few academics to accept that Morgellons might be real is Randy Wymore, associate professor of pharmacology at Oklahoma State University. "I thought it sounded crazy," he remembers. "I knew it was thought to be delusional, so I asked some Morgellons sufferers to send samples of the fibres, figuring if it was delusional, they would never show up. But 48 hours later, Fed Ex packages started arriving. I borrowed a microscope to examine them. And they looked a little odd." Wymore asked agents in the forensics department of the Tulsa police department for a second opinion. "Within about 30 seconds, one of them said, 'Uh, I don't think I've ever seen anything like this'." The fibres didn't match any of the 85,000 organic substances they had on their files. "I was both shocked and not shocked," recalls Wymore. "I already thought these fibres were kind of unusual, and this just validated it." Wymore has now been working on the DNA of the fibres for five years. So far, none of the samples he has sent into the laboratory has proved to be anything mysterious. Results have included nylon, cotton, a human hair, a fungal fibre and a rodent hair. Yet more evidence that Morgellons patients are merely delusional? World-renowned neurologist Dr Anne Louise Oaklander is not so sure. Oaklander, an associate professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School, is an expert in itching. She believes that sufferers might have developed nerve disorders that are being misdiagnosed. "Morgellons is not a disease with a unifying cause, but a constellation of symptoms that can be caused by different underlying diagnoses," she says. "In my experience, these patients have a severe itch disorder that's unexplained, and because itch is the sensation that we feel when an insect lands on our skin, or grubbing about among the hairs of our body, these patients make a logical conclusion: which is that there must be insects here, causing these insect-like sensations." She explains that the brain can mistakenly experience the feeling of insects if the nervous system was damaged following shingles and sciatica, or by the growth of spinal cord tumours. "What often happens, though, is a physician does not find a skin disorder, so jumps to a psychiatric conclusion. But what they should be doing is looking for underlying neurological explanations." So what all does this mean for Nick Mann? Are the fibres in his skin real? Is he delusional? Or does he have an undiagnosed nerve disorder? In fact, Nick turned out to be an extraordinary case. While it's common for GPs to diagnose patients claiming to suffer from unexplained itching as delusional, this was unlikely in his case, because Nick himself is a GP. "I took the three mites I'd caught to our local Homerton Hospital," he says. "A technician mounted one on a slide, put it under a microscope and said 'Beautiful'. Everyone gathered around saying 'Ooh, look at that'." It was definitely something. But they didn't know what. "They sent it to the Natural History Museum, which identified it within a day," says Nick, "as a Tropical Rat Mite." Although museum experts doubted the mites could live on the skin, the GP has no doubt that is what they were doing. "What these mites do is go in through the hair follicles and find a blood vessel at the bottom. That's where they sit and that's what the 'fibres' are  their legs folded back." Nick, who treated himself with an antiparasitic drug to eradicate the infection, can only guess that he picked up the mites walking in the cemetery. Despite the name, they are not exclusive to hot climates. Nick believes it likely that many patients who claim to have Morgellons are actually infected by Tropical Rat Mites. However, he agrees with Dr Oaklander that this diagnosis is unlikely to explain all cases. "There doesn't appear to be a single explanation for it," he says. Perhaps the mystery will finally be solved when the Centers for Disease Control release their report. Currently in the peer-review process, publication is thought to be imminent. Causes and cures: starting from scratch Itching is a common symptom but can be severe and frustrating. It can be localised, or all over the body and there are numerous causes and various treatments. Causes A non-infectious skin condition  eczema, psoriasis or prurigo (fluid filled blisters). Allergies  nickel, medication, washing powder, cosmetics or food. An insect or parasite  bites, scabies, head lice, bed bugs or ticks. Fungal and viral infections, such as measles, athletes foot, ringworm and thrush. Chronic conditions Some types of cancer, thyroid problems, hepatitis and liver disease. Hormonal changes in the body during the menopause and pregnancy. Diagnosis Visit your GP for a diagnosis if your itching is severe, prolonged or recurring. Seek medical advice if itching is associated with other symptoms, such as breathing problems, inflammation or yellowing of the skin and eyes. A physical assessment may be able to determine the cause of the itching, but your doctor may also carry out a blood test, skin scraping, swab or biopsy to diagnose the underlying cause of the problem. Treatment Treatment will depend on the cause of the itching. Bathing skin in lukewarm water and avoiding skin irritants, such as certain fabrics, tight fitting clothing and perfumed cosmetics. Medication or creams may be prescribed. Antihistamines may be advisable for insect bites or if an allergy has been diagnosed. For more information, see, http://www.cdc.gov/unexplaineddermopathy/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Subject: Re: Illegal File sharing/Fleet Foxes (NJC) Thanks Catherine, I had never heard of Fleet Foxes and just listened to a couple of their songs and really enjoyed them. And with everyone talking about illegal file sharing/downloading, it is interesting to note that Fleet Foxes attributes much of their success and surge in popularity to illegal file sharing. From their Wikipedia page, "Fleet Foxes were becoming increasingly popular and by late 2007 they had attracted over a quarter of a million song plays over two months on their Myspace site.[6] Although the band had not released any of their recordings, they benefited from word of mouth exposure and their success soon translated into a record deal, signing with Warner Music subsidiary record label Sub Pop on January 18, 2008.[6] According to Sub Pop A&R Sue Busch, at the time of signing the band was still a relatively primitive set-up, being without manager or legal representation. Robin's sister Aja Pecknold then assumed the role of band manager.[7] The band's frontman, Robin Pecknold attributes much of their success and popularity to illegal file sharing." ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Paul Castle ; Dave Blackburn ; joni@smoe.org Cc: "sem8@cornell.edu" ; Jim Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:31 PM Subject: Re: 2011 Joni covers download now NJC Right now, I'm listening to Fleet Foxes - both CDs, but not at the same time ;-) Just saw them in concert last night at Massey Hall and I was blown away by how GOOD they are live. In fact, the word "good" just isn't good enough. My kids and I all agreed that that was probably the best concert we've ever been to. Their harmonies are perfect, their instrumentals are flawless, and the acoustics at Massey Hall are great, so I have to hear them again and again (for now, that is, until my short attention span sucks me back some other way.) Just thought I'd share some silliness from last night. We were sitting in the top balcony, but pretty much in the centre. There were a fair numbers of hooters and hollerers, (there are so many more of those these days than i remember ever before), including one very LOUD guy, the kind you'd expect to encounter at a sports event, and not necessarily at a concert by Sensitive Artists. When they first came on stage, this guy bellowed, "I've been waiting all my life for this! It better be good!" Of course, everyone laughed, and the FF's drummer (sorry, I don't know names), said, "You've been waiting ALL YOUR LIFE??" After they had done a song or two, this same guy bellowed, "Man, your harmonies are f*ckin' PERFECT!" (I don't know about you, but I guess I just don't expect Loud Men to appreciate that kind of thing.) Later, halfway through the show, the drummer announced, for the benefit of the Loud Man in particular, "We're now half way through our show. I hope you're enjoying the experience." A bit later, the singer was trying to tune his guitar, played a few chords, and apologized for what he called "some tasteless chords." The drummer said, "Fortunately, it's impossible for drummers to do anything tasteless." I don't play ait guitar ever, and especially not when I'm driving, but have been known to sing very loud when driving alone in the car, but not when I have passengers, because I get too embarassed. Good music does make the trip go better! It kept me in such a good > mood singing along - and even air-guitaring along in the > usual M25 jam - which didn't stress me at all this week. > > Thanks so much to all who contributed. > > Makes me wonder where others are listening to theirs - > would love to hear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:24:59 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Downloads with Joni Content,easily downloadable and great outcome! I'd have to agree with Anita that this year's covers submissions were outstanding in terms of variety, ingenuity and production value. I'll take a little credit for sequencing the songs in the order presented and mastering them to be a good listen one to the next but the rest is all due to the talent and artistry of the members of this wonderful list. Everyone who submitted songs, without exception, sent me high quality uncompressed files which made this possible, (ie no mp3s) so my thanks to all for that. If anyone who has not heard this vaunted collection would like to, all you have to do is make a donation in some amount that works for you to http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm and your email will be forwarded to me by Les. I will promptly share the link to download the eleven songs. Dave On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:17 AM, Anita G wrote: > Having just returned from a month touring British Columbia and > Alberta, I was delighted to get back on list and see that this year's > Joni Covers Album, put together by our dear Dave Blackburn to help > raise funds for Joni.com was available. > > I am loathe to admit that I prefer this year's album, especially as I > contributed to the album last year! Maybe it's the way the songs hang > together as a whole, maybe it's the way Dave has ordered them or maybe > the spread of songs is different or (through my very gritted teeth > this one) perhaps the performances are just better or more varied. > Whatever it is, for me it's a super listen. > > Hear 'Trouble Child' played acoustically, 'Song for Sharon' > electrically and without a vocal, a bright elusive butterfly version > of 'Song of the Midway', 'The Magdalene Laundries' sung with an Irish > lilt by a man, 'Carnival in Kenora' straight out of the Beatles '68 > with a vocal reminiscent of Joni's earliest days, the smokiest version > of 'Blue Motel Room' I've ever heard,a real live party version of > 'People's Parties', a very English 'Edith and the Kingpin', a very > American Dixie Chick 'Big Yellow Taxi' and a rocking Harlem in Havana > with a guitar sound that could have been played by Joni herself. Well, > How Do You Stop? And that's a great number on this album too. All done > for the Love of Joni Mitchell Dot Com by people whom you know and > love, right here on this site. > > My hope is that everyone's digging into their credit cards and > supporting all the work that our dear Les undertakes every day and > that Dave Blackburn has given hours of time to putting together. > Thanks to them both. Particular thanks to everyone who contributed to > the album,too. It's a great thing you've done. > > We get a great selection of music and get to feel good about > ourselves,too! If you haven't got it yet, get on it now.You can't > lose. > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Fleet Foxes now NJC Thanks for sharing the great concert experience, Catherine - thanks to Moni & Grooveshark I'm spinning Helplessness Blues right now. These guys are truly incredible, one of the few bands that we older folks raised on Joni, CSNY etc will EASILY get and love. Bob NP: FF, "Sim Sala Bim" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:12:47 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Scott Walker - njc Just watched Scott Walker - 30 Century Man and was just blown away. As a huge Antony Hegarty fan I can see the influence. Talk about fighting for a unique vision. Jerry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #205 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------