From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #193 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 4 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 193 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Examination of Joni's Blue on NPR Monday [Mike Pritchard ] Re: Prosopagnosia, the 1st Lilith Fair, LK, BYT and ...Paz? [Michael Paz ] A couple of little Joni moments [Garret ] PSA for the childless (njc) [Walt Breen ] Re: Prosopagnosia, the 1st Lilith Fair, LK, BYT and ...Paz? (NJC) [Lieve ] Re: Prosopagnosia, the 1st Lilith Fair, LK, BYT and ...Paz? (NJC) [Cathe] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 16:09:09 +0200 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: Re: Examination of Joni's Blue on NPR Monday I'll read it as soon as Rafa wins Wimbledon... mike in bcn NP "Chains" Abigail Washburn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 16:12:55 +0200 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: RE: Examination of Joni's Blue on NPR Monday I'll read it as soon as Rafa wins Wimbledon... mike in bcn NP "Chains" Abigail Washburn PS Mark, your 'frontier' address doesn't work for me... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Happy Canada Day! (njc) Happy belated Canada day! Here's to Canada! I went to Vancouver a few years ago and it was amazing! I'm going to Toronto this August and can not wait! - -Mon From: Mark To: Catherine McKay ; Gerald Notaro Cc: Joni@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Happy Canada Day! (njc) I was curious about this. I seemed to remember that England celebrates the Queen's birthday on the same day in May even though it's not really the Queen's birthday. Apparently it's the same day as Victoria Day in Canada. According to Wikipedia, anyway: Victoria Day (in French: Fjte de la Reine) is a federal Canadian statutory holiday celebrated on the last Monday before May 25, in honour of Queen Victoria's birthday. The date is also, simultaneously, that on which the current reigning Canadian sovereign's official birthday is recognized. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 7:16 AM To: Gerald Notaro ; Brian Gross Cc: Joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Happy Canada Day! (njc) Victoria Day is a different holiday. Victoria Day was traditionally celebrated on May 24, but some time back (I don't remember when), they moved it to the Monday before May 24 (unless May 24 happens to be a Monday.) It's still referred to by many as the May Two-Four weekend (in honour of a carton of 24 beers, beer being the offical drink of summer here. Oh, and winter, spring and fall too.) Canada Day used to be called Dominion Day, but it was changed to Canada Day in 1982. It's kind of a boring name, to be honest. Brian, we write cheques but we use spell-checker, just like 'Muricans. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:37:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Prosopagnosia, the 1st Lilith Fair, LK, BYT and ...Paz? Hey Walt. I don't think so! I am on my way to SF at this moment. We are flying from Chicago to SF and will be in Marin for 2 days We are playing Marin County Fair tomorrow afternoon. Are you coming? I know Angela and Julius and maybe Kay is coming. It sure would be good to see you after all these years. Best to you paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Walt Breen wrote: Hi gang, I'm starting with prosopagnosia because it isn't all that well known, and because some of you may have gotten blank looks or vague Mona Lisa smiles from me at the '03 Fest despite the fact i was at the '02 Fest and *should* have known you. I depended on Smurph to tell me who people were at both fests. Basically, it's "face blindness", and it can be inherited or acquired, and run from very mild to complete (in extreme cases, after head trauma, sufferers can't recognize that a person *is* a person until/unless s/he speaks. Mine is inherited from my father's side -- I first read about it in a book around 1980, and had the OMG Other People Have This??!! experience. Brought it up at a family gathering, and found out that both my dad and his sister had it, too. (If you want to get a feel for the experience, take a photo of people you know and turn it upside down; the features are all there, but the gestalt doesn't kick in.) People compensate by being good at voices or at spotting physical mannerisms; I use both. It hasppened just yesterday as I was crossing Market Street (did i mention I'd moved back to Saf Francisco? Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...); someone said "Walter?" I knew exactly which person had said it, but I needed more, so i turned around and looked past him. He said, "Walter, over here!" and then I knew who he was. Reason I bring this all up is partly to ask if any other jmdler has it; but also because of a multiple Joni connection. At the SFPL yesterday, I borrowed the dvd of the first Lilith Fair (and was fairly shocked it has been 14 years). I knew all the featured artists, and was looking forward to it. When Shawn Colvin came on to siogn Sunny Came Home, my eyes were drawn to one of her backup musicians, dark, handsome, balding and with a very distinctive body language. Took me a whole minte to finally realize it was Klein. My music collection is buried in storage, and my access to the internet is, at the mo, very restricted, so i can't check -- did he play on the Sunny Came Home album; and/or, did he travel with the Fair for the whole tour? I know joni didn't much care for the Lilith concept, and I can understand her arguments -- but the participants respect for her influences and her songs was obvious from the interviews -- and of course, they close with everyone coming onstage for BYT. Did Larry have to wheedle permission to use it from Joni? I.e., was her disdain that complete thast he would have had to? Naw.... Finally, there was a big burly guy on stage several times playing a couple of different instruments, dark curly hair and a goatee who also looked familiar. Paz, was that *you*?! Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:22:16 +0100 From: Garret Subject: A couple of little Joni moments Just thought I'd share a couple of nice Joni moments from the last week. Last night I went to see Austra playing live. They ended the show with a cover of Woodstock which I did not expect. I felt like the only person in the room who knew the song (although that can't be true;-) It seemed like a natural song for them to choose. It is the b-side on the single Lose It. Here is a version i found on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLjYpSc_63s Last week was Dublin's pride parade. At the after parade rally there was music, performance, and politics. Gloria, the Dublin lesbian and gay choir, performed BYT. It was a great singalong. GARRET. NP - Austra, Lose It ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 12:56:54 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: PSA for the childless (njc) Hi, all, We're most of us in the age demographic such that those of us that *had* kids, such kids would be in their teens and 20s. For those of us who didn't have kids (I taught high school and ran a youth group during my last year working), there is a site to make us feel better. It's not for the faint of heart. It's called Texts From Last Night. (I'm always a day late a a buck short about these things, but maybe some of you haven't heard of it.) It is a collection of short texts from people who *are* drunk/high/whatever as they text, texting about having been intoxicated the night before, or people catching their friends up with what the latter can't remember from the previous night. Absolutely frightening and extremely funny -- but beware if you do have college-age kids -- it'll give you nightmares. If you never had kids, enjoy. Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 22:14:41 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Prosopagnosia, the 1st Lilith Fair, LK, BYT and ...Paz? (NJC) Hi Walt, I'd never heard the name prosopagnosia before, but I had heard of the condition, i.e. people who cannot recognise faces. I guess it goes along a certain spectrum, with a t one end some people remembering all faces from the first time they see them, to the other extreme where someone can never remember a face - maybe not even his/her own in the mirror. I guess most of us fall somewhere in the middle. I know I am not terribly good at it, I remember when I worked in a large company I would often feel embarrassed for not having recognised a face in the lift, realising afterwards it was someone I had had a face-to-face meeting with only a week before... And I'm sure we've all had the problem of recognising a face but not knowing from where. Years ago, when I had just bought my house, I bumped into a man in the street whom I thought was from the bank I had borrowed the money from, and I started telling him something about my monthly interest payments, when the guy stood there nodding politely but with a growing expression of amusement, until I realised that in fact I had only bought a washing machine from him a few days earlier... I like the explanation you give of the "gestalt", with the easy to grasp image of us not recognising a face when shown upside down. I like that, I know I will remember that and use it in future conversations. There is another related problem: sometimes we think two people are one and the same person, even though they don't look very similar, but somehow the "gestalt" has merged in our mind. Do you know what I mean? I know that for many years, I had merged two men at that same large company. One was Polish, the other Hungarian, they did similar jobs and were both remarkably ugly but really different looking, and once upon a time I must have known them as two different people, but somehow they had merged in my mind. Even their names, though very different, when I came across one or the other in a memo, would make me think of that one merged person. It was only when one day I saw both names together on the top of one memo, that I had to stop and unravel the confusion, and create two distinct images (Gestalts) in my mind. All the best in San Francisco, Walt! Lieve in London >________________________________ >From: Walt Breen >To: Jonilist Jmdler >Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011, 6:03 >Subject: Prosopagnosia, the 1st Lilith Fair, LK, BYT and ...Paz? > >Hi gang, > >I'm starting with prosopagnosia because it isn't all that well known, and >because some of you may have gotten blank looks or vague Mona Lisa smiles from >me at the '03 Fest despite the fact i was at the '02 Fest and *should* have >known you. I depended on Smurph to tell me who people were at both fests. >Basically, it's "face blindness", and it can be inherited or acquired, and run >from very mild to complete (in extreme cases, after head trauma, sufferers >can't recognize that a person *is* a person until/unless s/he speaks. Mine is >inherited from my father's side -- I first read about it in a book around >1980, and had the OMG Other People Have This??!! experience. Brought it up at >a family gathering, and found out that both my dad and his sister had it, too. >(If you want to get a feel for the experience, take a photo of people you know >and turn it upside down; the features are all there, but the gestalt doesn't >kick in.) People compensate by being good at voices or at spotting physical >mannerisms; I use both. > >It hasppened just yesterday as I was crossing Market Street (did i mention I'd >moved back to Saf Francisco? Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...); someone said "Walter?" >I knew exactly which person had said it, but I needed more, so i turned around >and looked past him. He said, "Walter, over here!" and then I knew who he >was. > >Reason I bring this all up is partly to ask if any other jmdler has it; but >also because of a multiple Joni connection. >At the SFPL yesterday, I borrowed the dvd of the first Lilith Fair (and was >fairly shocked it has been 14 years). I knew all the featured artists, and was >looking forward to it. When Shawn Colvin came on to siogn Sunny Came Home, my >eyes were drawn to one of her backup musicians, dark, handsome, balding and >with a very distinctive body language. Took me a whole minte to finally >realize it was Klein. My music collection is buried in storage, and my access >to the internet is, at the mo, very restricted, so i can't check -- did he >play on the Sunny Came Home album; and/or, did he travel with the Fair for the >whole tour? I know joni didn't much care for the Lilith concept, and I can >understand her arguments -- but the participants respect for her influences >and her songs was obvious from the interviews -- and of course, they close >with everyone coming onstage for BYT. Did Larry have to wheedle permission to >use it from Joni? I.e., was her disdain that complete thast he would have had >to? Naw.... Finally, there was a big burly guy on stage several times playing >a couple of different instruments, dark curly hair and a goatee who also >looked familiar. Paz, was that *you*?! > >Walt "Little" Breen > >Well, I'm learning it's peaceful > >With a good dog and some trees > >Out of touch with the breakdown > >Of this century > >We're not gonna fix that up > >Too easy > >(Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) > > > >Let the walls come tumbling down >Let them fall right on the ground >Let all the dogs go running free >The wild and the gentle dogs >Kenneled in me >(Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) >Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Prosopagnosia, the 1st Lilith Fair, LK, BYT and ...Paz? (NJC) - ----- Original Message ---- > > > I like the explanation you give of the "gestalt", with the easy to > grasp image of us not recognising a face when shown upside down. I like that, > I know I will remember that and use it in future conversations. I'm going to make a point of trying that to see how it messes with my brain. > There is > another related problem: sometimes we think two people are one and the same > person, even though they don't look very similar, but somehow the "gestalt" > has merged in our mind. Do you know what I mean? I know that for many >years, > I had merged two men at that same large company. One was Polish, the other > Hungarian, they did similar jobs and were both remarkably ugly but really > different looking, and once upon a time I must have known them as two > different people, but somehow they had merged in my mind. Even their names, > though very different, when I came across one or the other in a memo, would > make me think of that one merged person. It was only when one day I saw both > names together on the top of one memo, that I had to stop and unravel the > confusion, and create two distinct images (Gestalts) in my mind. > Lieve, i know what you're talking about. I tend to categorize people in some ways, without necessarily realizing I'm doing it. I guess we categorize other things like that too and they can be sort of like Venn diagrams, with some things (or people) belonging in several different categories: ugly people, old people, ugly old people and so on ;-). I also merge people together the way you describe. This is particularly true when I think back about people I knew a long time ago, from school or different jobs - they can become merged into a different person that is part of each, like the composite characters sometimes used in books and movies that are "based on a true story." My ex-husband was very good at recognizing people that he had met only once or twice. I'm not good at that at all. I also find it very embarassing when I meet someone who remembers me, but I can't figure out how I know them or what their name is, so I hedge around until they say something that makes me remember - or, much worse, I have a conversation with them, not remembering their name or how I know them and then all I can think of is, "Who the heck was that?" and going over things in my mind until I finally work it out. But sometimes I never do work it out and that can be very frustrating. I've been playing games on this website called luminosity.com in an effort to improve my memory, because I'm afraid of becoming senile at some point. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #193 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------