From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #189 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 30 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 189 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #188 [kevinf@broadcastvision.com] Re: Joni in China! [Paul Castle ] Re: Scarlett [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Joni in China! - and in the dance class! [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Joni in China! NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni in China! - and in the dance class! [Dave Blackburn ] Dangerous Minds.com Joni megapost [william burnworth ] David Crosby sings "For Free" [carmel rotem ] Re: David Crosby sings "For Free" [Lieve Reckers ] Re: The Lost Songs [Dave Blackburn ] RE: The Lost Songs [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Scarlett [T Peckham ] Lykke Li [Happy The Man ] Re: Lykke Li (now NJC) [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Re: Lykke Li [Michael Paz ] Re: Scarlett ["Mark" ] Products with Joni's SONG TITLEs. Do you know any? (and Sweepstakes) - Update [est86mlm@ameri] Re: Scarlett [T Peckham ] Re: Products with Joni's SONG TITLEs. Do you know any? (and Sweepstakes) - Update [Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni in China! Bob wrote : > I was with 2 pretty Asian girls That's just plain greedy! :) best to all PaulC PS Still buzzing from seeing Leon Russell, Nick Lowe and Paul Brady at a BBC Songwriter's Circle recording last night ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:55:13 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Scarlett Mark, I totally agree with your take on it. Especially this sentence: "The song is called '*Shades of* Scarlet Conquering' (...) suggests that the woman in the song is *like* Scarlet O'Hara in some ways." In addition, I would also say: the phrasing "Shades of Scarlet..." is to me also a delicious play of words with the colour scarlet, i.e. as in "shades of blue", as well as the obvious reference to Ms O'Hara. All the best, Lieve in London >________________________________ >From: Mark >To: David J. Phillips ; Gerald Notaro ; Michel BYRNE >Cc: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 2:49 >Subject: Re: Scarlett > >Well here's my 2 cents, for what it's worth. (2 cents?) > >I've read the Ronee Blakely theory as well and never really bought into it. Although, besides her role in 'Nashville', I don't really know much of anything about Ronee Blakely. So what do I know? > >GWTW's Scarlet O'Hara certainly seems to be one of the models for Joni's character. Out of the fire (the burning of Atlanta), the mention of Gable in the song, plantations and sweeping ballroom gowns - that all fits Scarlet O'Hara Hamilton Kennedy Butler. > >The song is called '*Shades of* Scarlet Conquering' however, which to me suggests that the woman in the song is *like* Scarlet O'Hara in some ways. She mimics 'tenderness she sees in sentimental movies.' This is a 20th century character. I always thought she was an ambitious wannabe movie star. > >I've also read that Vivien Leigh was quite a bit like her character in GWTW and I don't know how much of that I buy either. Ms. Leigh suffered from bi-polar disorder which might tie into the 'beauty and madness to be praised' line in the song. But I still maintain that the character and the actress are two different things. Similar, maybe, but not the same. > >When I was thinking about it today it suddenly struck me that Joni's subject is also quite a bit like Eve Harrington in 'All About Eve'. If you're familiar with that movie, think about it. Joni likes to watch old movies so I think Eve might be in the mix as well. > >As for Barbra Jean in 'Nashville', the speculation at the time of the movie's release was that she was based on Loretta Lynn. If you've ever seen 'Coal Miner's Daughter', you will remember that Loretta hit a rough patch and collapsed on stage at a point when she felt like 'my life has been going too fast'. Too much touring, too little sleep, maybe a pill habit if I remember it right. > >But in the long run, I think Ms. Lynn has proven that she is made of pretty strong stuff and not so emotionally fragile. > >I also seem to remember seeing Loretta quoted somewhere as saying 'I'd rather see Bambi' in reference to the movie 'Nashville'. > >I think it was the lines 'cast iron and frail/with her impossibly gentle hands/and her blood red fingernails' that Elvis Costello quoted as being lyrics that any songwriter would kill to be able to come up with just once (or words to that effect) and that 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering' was full of lines equally as good. I whole-heartedly agree with him. This is Joni at her best. > >And don't get me started on the lyrics in the entire album 'Hejira'. > >Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:29:07 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni in China! - and in the dance class! Bob, your story has prompted me to share another unexpected Joni moment I had last night. For a couple of weeks now, I have been going to a dance class in our local Greenwich community hall on a Tuesday night. They call the dance Ceroc here, and it is advertised as a "Continental" or French dance, but I know it from my youth in Belgium and it is simply an evolution of rock-and-roll dancing or jive. (In fact to confuse matters we use to call it "the boogie".) I love this dance, I have picked up most of the moves over the years but never really learned it properly, and this class is very friendly and inclusive, with people of all ages ranging from total beginners to very accomplished dancers. The music also ranges from old rock-and-roll (when we're lucky) to up-to-date dreadful noise of the same ilk as I have to put up with in the gym. (Another thread for someone: how can we get some decent music in the gym?) Anyway, obviously not the place where you could ever hope to hear Joni or Dylan. But yesterday I was dancing with a guy of my age who out of the blue mentioned Johnny Winter, asked me if I knew him and said he was reminded of him by my looks which I thought was hilarious because I'm not exactly an albino! Anyway, there was not much opportunity to chat, this is really a place where people take the dancing seriously (and most of them are very good at it) and so I was really surprised when within a minute he had also mentioned Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah, to which I replied that I preferred Jeff Buckley's version and he then mentioned Tim Buckley. I really don't think anybody else in that dance hall had ever heard of Tim Buckley, and since I personally know a couple of the musicians who have played with Tim, that was quite a surprise. We then moved on to dance with other people, but when it was my turn to dance with that same guy again, he just came out with the name of Joni Mitchell, quoted most of her albums such as Blue and Hissing, and said that recently he had discovered to his surprise how jazzy she had become. I was just so surprised, and if my story is dull to read then I apologise and I must blame my own inability to convey the contrast between that dance class and a conversation about Joni Mitchell. Anyway the bottom line of it is that I have promised to bring in Dave and Robin's CD of Joni songs next week. And in case anybody wonders if this is the start to a more serious story of the start of a more interesting affair, I can stop that speculation right here and now. It ain't and it won't. But it was a nice Joni moment nevertheless. Lieve in London >________________________________ >From: Bob Muller >To: JMDL >Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 0:34 >Subject: Joni in China! > >So last night I was out to dinner with a couple of colleagues at Solana, a big >shopping/dining/night life mall location, and after dinner we wandered across >the street to Nashville, a live music bar. I've been there twice before last >night and the music is of a high caliber, not just karaoke versions of Abba >songs and such. Plus, you can actually get SERVICE as opposed to most Chinese >restaurants where you have to track down a server and beg for stuff. > >The guy playing at Nashville (a Filipino named Chris) was a really good >guitarist and he was playing an instrumental version of "Bohemian Rhapsody" as >we walked in followed by Dire Straits' "Romeo & Juliet". I was impressed, and I >really lit up when he broke into Big Yellow Taxi. Being a Tuesday night, the >crowd was small and when I hollered out "Joni!" after the song he looked over >and smiled. At the end of the set he came over and sat down (it didn't hurt that >I was with 2 pretty Asian girls) and we started talking music which was REALLY >great since I feel so musically isolated here. It seems that he knows Joni and >plays 3-4 of her tunes (the usual suspects), and he kicked off his next set with >a nice original arrangement of Woodstock - - reminded me of Dave Matthews in terms >of vocal and guitar style. Anyway, it was very refreshing and made me that much >more anxious to get back to the garden with everyone in August. > >Bob > >NP: ELO, "Showdown" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:49:10 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Scarlett Sheila Weller, in Girls Like Us (p.419), seems pretty sure who was displaying shades of Scarlett O'Hara - Talking about the release of THOSL she says: > This new album, as Stephen Holden put it, was > Joni doing "social philosophy". All the characters > are American stereotypes who act out socially > determined rituals of power and submission in > exquisitely described settings. Mitchell's eye for > detail is precise andpanoramic." The intellectual > substance Holden saw in Hissing (for which Guerin > played drums) was small comfort to her bewildered > fans, who had come to Joni to 'feel'. There are hum- > along-with cuts - the lovely "Shades of Scarlett > Conquering", which presents (a disguised) Ronee > Blakley, who had just had a star turn in Robert > Altman's Nashville, as a diva coquette; on the next page she writes: > At the same time that 'Hissing' was released, in > November 1975, Joni flew to the East Coast to join > Bob Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review It was > also, behind the scenes, full of drugs, angst, and > misunderstandings - as Joni would put it, in song, > the participants were indulging in "pills and powders > to get them through this passion play." (It was during > the tour that Joni's friendship with Ronee Blakley was > severed) I notice that Sheila is a Facebook friend of several people on the jmdl. It would be interesting if she could be persuaded to elucidate a little. best to all PaulC NP The Hissing demo version - http://blip.fm/~111hkd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni in China! NJC I bet! Sounds amazing. Details please. Bob NP: Bob Seger, "Turn On Your Love Light" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:03:17 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni in China! - and in the dance class! Thank you Lieve! Your contract is renewed for another year! On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Anyway the bottom > line of it is that I have promised to bring in Dave and Robin's CD of Joni > songs next week. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:14:22 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni in China! - and in the dance class! Hahaha! When I wrote my original post, I was afraid you were going to complain that giving away your CDs is not helping you much, and I was already prepared to explain that I will insist he buys his own copy if he likes it! But with my contract in the bag, I can relax now! Lieve >________________________________ >From: Dave Blackburn >To: Lieve Reckers >Cc: Bob Muller ; JMDL >Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 15:03 >Subject: Re: Joni in China! - and in the dance class! > >Thank you Lieve! Your contract is renewed for another year! > > >On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > >> Anyway the bottom >> line of it is that I have promised to bring in Dave and Robin's CD of Joni >> songs next week. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Subject: Examination of Joni's Blue on NPR Monday This should be cool to listen to Monday morning. Jim http://www.capradio.org/162161 Joni Mitchell's BLUE: an examination of one of the most heralded albums of all time by Joni Mitchell. BLUE was rated #30 on the Rolling Stone magazine 2003 list of the Top 500 Albums in pop history, the highest rated album by a female musician. Monday, July 4, 2011 10:00 AM on NPR News and Jazz In all of her albums, but especially on BLUE,Mitchell put the experience of being a woman and being human on artful display through her blatantly honest and confessional lyrics, innovative open guitar tunings and jazz-inflected vocals. By mixing Mitchell's music from this and other Joni Mitchell albums with informed commentary from musicians, fans, music critics and archival interviews with Mitchell herself, Joni Mitchell's BLUE articulates what music lovers have found so compelling about this particular album. Special guests include music writers Ann Powers, Anthony DeCurtis, Paul Zollo, and Lydia Hutchinson. Also featured are musicians Shawn Colvin, Lucy Kaplansky, and others. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:17:05 -0400 From: william burnworth Subject: Dangerous Minds.com Joni megapost Hi Jonilistas.. I always enjoy Dangerous Minds and was happy to see this appear in my google reader just now: http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/lady_of_the_canyon_joni_mitchell_mega-post/ love to all from William in Miami www.wcburnworth.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: carmel rotem Subject: David Crosby sings "For Free" Hi, just found this one on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yat093vDA&feature=related Carmel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:11:02 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: David Crosby sings "For Free" Thanks Carmel. That's a very "country" version! Lieve >________________________________ >From: carmel rotem >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 19:08 >Subject: David Crosby sings "For Free" > >Hi, > >just found this one on youtube. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yat093vDA&feature=related > >Carmel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:59:10 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: The Lost Songs I was at a Tom Rush concert the other night and he introduced "The Circle Game" with the oft-told tale about getting a tape from Joni with 5 or 6 songs on it after meeting her in Detroit. The last song on the tape was "The Circle Game". I recently acquired a copy of "The Hunter" from an early version of her "Blue" album. And the comments by Tom Rush made me wonder: what other songs are out there that Joni wrote and recorded but not released? I'm aware of "Big Yellow Taxi" and their recordings of some of Joni's early works. But are there others? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:35:48 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The Lost Songs Michael, The unreleased JM songs you seek were recorded by two JMDL members in Copenhagen, Henning and Christina, known as Big Yellow Taxi: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi6 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi4 They are beautifully arranged and recorded, and highly recommended. Dave Blackburn On Jun 29, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Michael Sentance wrote: > I was at a Tom Rush concert the other night and he introduced "The Circle > Game" with the oft-told tale about getting a tape from Joni with 5 or 6 > songs on it after meeting her in Detroit. The last song on the tape was "The > Circle Game". > > I recently acquired a copy of "The Hunter" from an early version of her > "Blue" album. And the comments by Tom Rush made me wonder: what other songs > are out there that Joni wrote and recorded but not released? I'm aware of > "Big Yellow Taxi" and their recordings of some of Joni's early works. But > are there others? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:43:38 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: The Lost Songs Thanks Michael for this excellent question. One of my favorite group of songs by Joni are the Unreleased pre-Song for a Seagull songs that she decided would not make the cut on her first album. If you go to the jm.com website the list is under MUSIC, the first icon "Early Unreleased Songs." Most of these are tabbed at the guitar site but some are not, and I have finished tabbing 3 of them but have been too lazy to post them at the site, forgive me. My very favorite Unreleased song is Eastern Rain. Why this song never got on to one of her albums is a sin. Fairport Convention did a cover of it. Here is a Youtube clip of Joni singing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iABWsdfUO5w&playnext=1&list=PL294E7A26C0D14E6E Another great one is Come to the Sunshine. This clip is from the recently released Mon Pays, Mes Chansons TV series from 1966. She is so beautiful and the song is so fun to play: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1712188888236 The songs I'm getting ready to post tabs for are I Was Born To Take The Highway, Cara's Castle, and Who Has Seen The Wind. I'm sure more people will chime in about other songs not released. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sentance Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:59 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: The Lost Songs I was at a Tom Rush concert the other night and he introduced "The Circle Game" with the oft-told tale about getting a tape from Joni with 5 or 6 songs on it after meeting her in Detroit. The last song on the tape was "The Circle Game". I recently acquired a copy of "The Hunter" from an early version of her "Blue" album. And the comments by Tom Rush made me wonder: what other songs are out there that Joni wrote and recorded but not released? I'm aware of "Big Yellow Taxi" and their recordings of some of Joni's early works. But are there others? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:20:40 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Scarlett Paul, thanks for posting these excerpts. There are others attesting to the one-time friendship of Joni and Ms. Blakley. They (along with Graham Nash) were both aboard David Crosby's beloved boat, the Mayan, on his trip from Florida to LA to scatter girlfriend Christine Hinton's ashes at sea; they were friends in the LA scene, sharing interests in Nietzsche and the music of Edith Piaf and Billie Holiday. Blakley gave Joni the book *Dear Theo*, Van Gogh's letters to his brother; Joni taught Ronee to draw. She also accompanied Joni on a trip to find land in Canada, a year before she ultimately bought the Vancouver area property. Blakley is quoted (in part) as saying,"I carried my weight in the friendship, but she was certainly way ahead of me." So while Ronee Blakley may not have been the ONLY inspiration for "Scarlett," she was definitely someone who did, for a time, "catch" Joni's attention. As for Facebook, I'll be happy to ask Sheila Weller to expand a bit on the "Scarlett" matter---or anyone can "friend" her and ask. Ms. Blakley is also on FB--she and Sheila once inadvertently had a slight disagreement on my wall! LOL So perhaps she might chime in. ;-) Terra AKA "Nettie Wherry" on FB On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > Sheila Weller, in Girls Like Us (p.419), seems pretty > sure who was displaying shades of Scarlett O'Hara - > > Talking about the release of THOSL she says: > > > This new album, as Stephen Holden put it, was > > Joni doing "social philosophy". All the characters > > are American stereotypes who act out socially > > determined rituals of power and submission in > > exquisitely described settings. Mitchell's eye for > > detail is precise and panoramic." The intellectual > > substance Holden saw in Hissing (for which Guerin > > played drums) was small comfort to her bewildered > > fans, who had come to Joni to 'feel'. There are hum- > > along-with cuts - the lovely "Shades of Scarlett > > Conquering", which presents (a disguised) Ronee > > Blakley, who had just had a star turn in Robert > > Altman's Nashville, as a diva coquette; > > on the next page she writes: > > > At the same time that 'Hissing' was released, in > > November 1975, Joni flew to the East Coast to join > > Bob Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review It was > > also, behind the scenes, full of drugs, angst, and > > misunderstandings - as Joni would put it, in song, > > the participants were indulging in "pills and powders > > to get them through this passion play." (It was during > > the tour that Joni's friendship with Ronee Blakley was > > severed) > > I notice that Sheila is a Facebook friend of several people > on the jmdl. It would be interesting if she could be > persuaded to elucidate a little. > > best to all > PaulC > > NP The Hissing demo version - http://blip.fm/~111hkd > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:27:14 -0500 From: Happy The Man Subject: Lykke Li I've been listening to the Swedish singer Lykke Li and her recent album Wounded Rhymes. She recorded the album in Califonia, i'm going to paste the wikipedia excerpt her. If you haven't heard her the album has gotten favorable reviews and she sounds nothing like Joni. Glad she looks to Joni for inspiration though. Li spent six months writing and recording the album in the Echo Park neighbourhood of Los Angeles , while visiting the desert, rewatching Alejandro Jodorowsky's 1973 film *The Holy Mountain * and listening to Alan Lomax field recordings, eventually coming up with songs she calls "hypnotic, psychotic and more primal".[3] During an interview with Pitchfork Media on 18 November 2010, she commented on her decision to write the album in Los Angeles, saying, "I'm from Sweden so I don't enjoy winter at all; there's nothing cute about it. Right now I'm in Stockholm, and it's *so*fucking cold and dark. I have such a dark mood in myself already so I don't need things to be darker. I was totally romanticizing the idea of Los Angeles when the Doors , Joni Mitchell , and Neil Young were hanging out there. I was trying to find David Lynch andLeonard Cohen with no luck. It was just more of a retreat. And Los Angeles is such a mysterious place because there's so much evil in that city, but there's also so much light. You can be totally alone on a hillside and I love that kind of secluded, deserted rawness."[2] NP: Lykke Li - Get Some ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:33:14 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Lykke Li (now NJC) I LOVE Lykke Li, her albums Pilates and Frying Cowboys remain a favourite. Only kidding folks.. I shall have to look her up to have a listen. Zooby On 30 June 2011 01:27, Happy The Man wrote: > I've been listening to the Swedish singer Lykke Li and her recent album > Wounded Rhymes. She recorded the album in Califonia, i'm going to paste > the > wikipedia excerpt her. If you haven't heard her the album has gotten > favorable reviews and she sounds nothing like Joni. > > - -- Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Acting Agent: Pelham Associates 01273 323 010 Facebook VoiceOvers SpotLight Twitter Currently working on *'Skylarking*' a solo performance for various festivals in the UK. Appearances: Wolf: Let Us Prey 22-24 July 2011. Tickets: Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:55:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Lykke Li LoL! How refreshing. Will give her a listen! On another note. Tell the "OLD LADY" no excuses, I love YOU but wanna hang with the WHOLE fam at ACL, PLEASE! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Happy The Man wrote: I've been listening to the Swedish singer Lykke Li and her recent album Wounded Rhymes. She recorded the album in Califonia, i'm going to paste the wikipedia excerpt her. If you haven't heard her the album has gotten favorable reviews and she sounds nothing like Joni. Glad she looks to Joni for inspiration though. Li spent six months writing and recording the album in the Echo Park neighbourhood of Los Angeles , while visiting the desert, rewatching Alejandro Jodorowsky's 1973 film *The Holy Mountain * and listening to Alan Lomax field recordings, eventually coming up with songs she calls "hypnotic, psychotic and more primal".[3] During an interview with Pitchfork Media on 18 November 2010, she commented on her decision to write the album in Los Angeles, saying, "I'm from Sweden so I don't enjoy winter at all; there's nothing cute about it. Right now I'm in Stockholm, and it's *so*fucking cold and dark. I have such a dark mood in myself already so I don't need things to be darker. I was totally romanticizing the idea of Los Angeles when the Doors , Joni Mitchell , and Neil Young were hanging out there. I was trying to find David Lynch andLeonard Cohen with no luck. It was just more of a retreat. And Los Angeles is such a mysterious place because there's so much evil in that city, but there's also so much light. You can be totally alone on a hillside and I love that kind of secluded, deserted rawness."[2] NP: Lykke Li - Get Some ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:13:08 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Scarlett Well like I said, what do I know? I spelled both Ms. Blakley's name and Scarlett's wrong in my post. I could swear I remember Blakely and I never can remember for sure if the name Scarlett has 1 't' or 2. Getting older bites. What can I say? The song title does have the incorrect spelling on JoniMitchell.com, though. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Terra, what you wrote sounds like Ronee and Joni were pretty good friends. I don't think the song is very flattering to the character it describes. Did the two have a falling out at some point? Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: T Peckham Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:20 PM To: Paul Castle ; JMDL Subject: Re: Scarlett Paul, thanks for posting these excerpts. There are others attesting to the one-time friendship of Joni and Ms. Blakley. They (along with Graham Nash) were both aboard David Crosby's beloved boat, the Mayan, on his trip from Florida to LA to scatter girlfriend Christine Hinton's ashes at sea; they were friends in the LA scene, sharing interests in Nietzsche and the music of Edith Piaf and Billie Holiday. Blakley gave Joni the book *Dear Theo*, Van Gogh's letters to his brother; Joni taught Ronee to draw. She also accompanied Joni on a trip to find land in Canada, a year before she ultimately bought the Vancouver area property. Blakley is quoted (in part) as saying,"I carried my weight in the friendship, but she was certainly way ahead of me." So while Ronee Blakley may not have been the ONLY inspiration for "Scarlett," she was definitely someone who did, for a time, "catch" Joni's attention. As for Facebook, I'll be happy to ask Sheila Weller to expand a bit on the "Scarlett" matter---or anyone can "friend" her and ask. Ms. Blakley is also on FB--she and Sheila once inadvertently had a slight disagreement on my wall! LOL So perhaps she might chime in. ;-) Terra AKA "Nettie Wherry" on FB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:26:27 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Products with Joni's SONG TITLEs. Do you know any? (and Sweepstakes) - Update Remember to enter! Your choice of a $10 gift card (you can win twice for $20).......Borders, eBay, Starbucks, Olive Garden, etc........you name it and if I can find it you can have it. Outside the US? We'll work something out. Check out the "Rules" below. You can enter more than once!! Update: So far there are two found products with links. They are: Blue (Canadian Beer) http://www.labattblue.ca/ Love (Condoms) http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Condoms-Thinner-Sensitivity-Sensation/dp/B000BH42P6/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1308447156&sr=1-1 Laura **************************FREEBIE SWEEPS (unrelated to my sweeps, but see how fun it is when you win)********** Win Concert Cash from Bacardi http://www.summerconcertcash.com/default.aspx ************************************************************************************************** Thought this would be fun. Can you name any product with a Joni Mitchell SONG TITLE? Do you have a link where it can be bought? I can think of at least four items (and you know there may be more!). http://jonimitchell.com/music/songlist.cfm HINT #1: Browse Cultural References for "at least" one (1) product with a Joni Mitchell lyric title complete with link to buy the product. http://jonimitchell.com/library/culture.cfm Hint #2: Browse Philosophy's Website under Skin Care & Treatments http://www.philosophy.com/ Laura ******************$WEEP$ RULES************************************************************** I'm giving away (2) two $10 gift card/certificates (your choice .... if I can find them you can have them). If you don't live in the US and can't use the gift cards, we'll work something out....CDs, DVDs, money order, etc. For the sweepstakes, name a product that has a Joni Mitchell SONG TITLE and a link to where you can buy the product. Health, Beauty, Food, Houshold, etc. Anything that's sold and can be bought. The Joni lyric must be the name of the product and NOT the manufacturer. If your not sure, just post it anyway. If Joni's lyric begins with the word "The" (The Reoccuring Dream ) the product does not have to have the word "The" in it. But, for example, if the lyric title is Conversation the product cannot be called The conversation. To enter my sweepstakes for $10 gift card/certificate: name one product with the title of Joni's song lyric title http://jonimitchell.com/music/songlist.cfm If you're the FIRST person to name a product, you get a separate entry for an additonal $10 gift card/certificate. So you can enter more than once! Yes, it is possible for one person to win twice for both gift cards for a total of $20. My son will pick the names out of 2 separate hats on July 5th. Maybe I'll even blindfold him and spin him around a few times. LOL I'll contact the winner(s) privately for mailing info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:51:26 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Scarlett Hi Mark, actually, Paul quoted the passage from GIRLS LIKE US that refers to the "severing" of their friendship. From p. 420: " At the same time that 'Hissing' was released, in > November 1975, Joni flew to the East Coast to join > Bob Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review It was > also, behind the scenes, full of drugs, angst, and > misunderstandings - as Joni would put it, in song, > the participants were indulging in 'pills and powders > to get them through this passion play.' (It was during > the tour that Joni's friendship with Ronee Blakley was > severed.)" But the song was written before that tour experience, so . . . who can say other than Ms. Mitchell herself? ;-) When I heard the song when the album first came out, I think I just assumed (without too much thought) that it was largely autobiographical, not unlike "Trouble Child" on *Court & Spark*. Now I think that it's probably an amalgam of inspirations, which could include all the "likely suspects" y'all have mentioned. Terra/Nettie, fastening my seatbelt for a bumpy night! :-P On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Mark wrote: > Well like I said, what do I know? I spelled both Ms. Blakley's name and > Scarlett's wrong in my post. I could swear I remember Blakely and I never > can remember for sure if the name Scarlett has 1 't' or 2. > > Getting older bites. What can I say? > > The song title does have the incorrect spelling on JoniMitchell.com, > though. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > Terra, what you wrote sounds like Ronee and Joni were pretty good friends. > I don't think the song is very flattering to the character it describes. Did > the two have a falling out at some point? > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: T Peckham > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:20 PM > To: Paul Castle ; JMDL > Subject: Re: Scarlett > > > Paul, thanks for posting these excerpts. There are others attesting to the > one-time friendship of Joni and Ms. Blakley. They (along with Graham Nash) > were both aboard David Crosby's beloved boat, the Mayan, on his trip from > Florida to LA to scatter girlfriend Christine Hinton's ashes at sea; they > were friends in the LA scene, sharing interests in Nietzsche and the music > of Edith Piaf and Billie Holiday. Blakley gave Joni the book *Dear Theo*, > Van Gogh's letters to his brother; Joni taught Ronee to draw. She also > accompanied Joni on a trip to find land in Canada, a year before she > ultimately bought the Vancouver area property. Blakley is quoted (in part) > as saying,"I carried my weight in the friendship, but she was certainly way > ahead of me." > > So while Ronee Blakley may not have been the ONLY inspiration for > "Scarlett," she was definitely someone who did, for a time, "catch" Joni's > attention. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Products with Joni's SONG TITLEs. Do you know any? (and Sweepstakes) - Update How About a book titled "Lucky Girl"? http://www.amazon.com/Lucky-Girl-Mei-Ling-Hopgood/dp/1565129822/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1309412805&sr=8-2 Bob NP: Loggins & Messina, "Angry Eyes" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #189 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. 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