From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #152 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 24 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 152 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Joni/Jimmy Connection! [Paul Castle ] Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) [Lieve Reckers ] Tunings for Woodstock [] Re: Tunings for Woodstock [Paul Castle ] Jimmy Webb and Joni [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 10:06:02 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: The Joni/Jimmy Connection! Found this in "Liner Notes for Jimmy Webb's Letters" by Richie Unterberger - see http://bit.ly/lNaTgZ >> Letters was a more sedate, piano-oriented album than its predecessors, and soaked in the influence of Webb's peer and eventual close friend Joni Mitchell. "I was tremendously influenced by Joni Mitchell," he admitted to Peter Doggett of Record Collector in 1994. "She was a good friend, and I was fortunate enough to be around her when she was working on For the Roses and Court and Spark. We were just part of each other's lives for a while. I definitely envied that part of her work -- the idea that this is just a conversation you're listening in on. It can still be poetry, but not self-conscious or forced poetry. I got extremely under her spell as a writer -- I still am. I used to go to the studio and listen to her record, sit quietly in the back of the control room. After the Beatles, Joni was the next big blip on my radar screen, in terms of, 'Hey, pay attention: this girl is doing something a little bit different.'" Mitchell's longtime engineer Henry Lewy also did some engineering work for Letters as well. Joni's influence is most apparent on one of the record's stronger cuts, "Simile," inspired by an incident at the Los Angeles Troubadour club. Webb had sent her roses and a letter after seeing her perform there early in her career, but the letter wasn't found by Mitchell until a few years later, as alluded to in the song's opening verse. More indirectly, several other tracks had a similar intimate, piano-based ambience, such as "Hurt Me Well," "Catharsis," "Piano," and "When Can Brown Begin," the last of which might have had a hint of Brian Wilson as well. >> You can listen to 'Simile' (with Joni on backing vocals) @ http://blip.fm/~14shg7 I went to see Jimmy Webb for the first time a few years ago at The Pizza On The Park here in London with Peter Doggett (who is mentioned in the above article) and a couple of other friends. I was completely blown away, so much so that I went back on my own a couple of nights later and managed to get in to see him again. best to all PaulC ____________________ http://blip.fm/paulcastle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 10:15:55 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) Count me as a fan too. I have been playing 10 Easy Pieces a lot, recently. Jimmy's melodies are just brilliant. (And I agree with you about Mc Arthur Park!) I also found it interesting how Glen Campbell, who is politically (and I guess culturally) cut from a very different cloth from Jimmy Webb's, managed to "get" his songs and breathe such perfect life into them. Very different from Jimmy's own sparce piano versions, but equally enchanting and hypnotic. Lieve ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: Walt Breen Cc: Jonilist Digest Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 23:26 Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) Hey, Walt. I know Kakki is a big fan. I saw him in concert with Glen Campbell a while back and they were both wonderful. 10 Easy Pieces is one of his best cd's. Jerry On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Walt Breen wrote: > Hi, all, Just got 3 recent Jimmy Webb cds, and I never cease to be amazed > at his gifts. The three I got were 10 Easy Pieces plus 4 (a reissue of the > '96 album, with him singing mostly well-known songs from 1966-80, plus four > live performances in Wales in '05); Just Across the River (mostly duets, > songs from '66-'09); and Twilight of the Renegades, all new songs, from > 2005. All wonderful. There are very few songs I absolutely can't relate to > (I know it's heartfelt, but I don't get P. F. Sloan, no matter how many > times it gets explained), and many reduce me to tears. Mostly absent from > these later albums are the the good goofy weird stoner songs of the sixties > (no Paper Cup; no Up, Up and Away, thank god; but he does do MacArthur Park, > which I don't care what anyone says, I love -- the middle movement, > sometimes refered to as "After All the Loves of My Life", is heartrending), > but his songwriting since the 90's shows him returned to full strenth. Like > Joni in the '80's, he was frustrated by the poor commercial reception of his > stuff from the '70's, although it was well received critically. I think the > five or six albums he put out from 1970-80 are available again, > individually, or all of them in a boxed set. I had'em all on LP, long lost, > and I'm thinking of getting the set. I assume Jimmy and Joni *had* to have > known each other in the '70's in California. Anybody know? Walt "Little" > Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of > touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too > easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down > Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild > and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) Visit my > website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 11:00:25 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: amelia Thanks Oddmund ... There were a couple of photographs in that youtube clip I had never seen before ... like the one with her hands over her face, and the couple of shots of her reclining. Very nice. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Oddmund Kaarevik Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:40 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: amelia one of my favorite songs beautiful version http://youtu.be/8bFgxKov8Ts O ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 20:28:47 -0400 From: Subject: Tunings for Woodstock Just finished watching the DVD of the TNT Joni tribute. To the guitar players: any idea what tuning Richard Thompson is in for his rendition of Woodstock. Have always loved it, and would like to try playing it. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 07:13:52 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Tunings for Woodstock Brian wrote > Just finished watching the DVD of the TNT Joni tribute. To the guitar players: any idea what tuning > Richard Thompson is in for his rendition of Woodstock. Have always loved it, and > would like to try playing it. Hi Brian - back in April Sue McNamara wrote to the list saying that she'd had a request to tab this for the JM database and I wrote: > http://youtu.be/h54rRq2SAv0 > I've no idea how you're going to tab up all > his fiddly-bits but.... > I reckon he's tuned D75525 - ie DADGAD > - capo 2 and the I chord is 000200 alternating > between (and bending the 3 of) 000030 - and > the IV chord is mainly 550000 or 550030 - with > 550300 thrown in occasionally - ending with - > 000200 - -550000 - - - -x3200x - - - - - - > and we've got to get ourselves back to the > 000200 --330000 - 55000 - 000200 > gar - - - - ar - - - - ar - - - - den Hope this helps very best PaulC NW Bonnie Raitt & Richard Thompson - Dimming of The Day http://youtu.be/1o8M74ufF4Q ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 23:19:39 -0700 From: Subject: Jimmy Webb and Joni Hi Walt, It's so great to hear that you are re-discovering Jimmy Webb. I know we have some other fans here - ChuckE and there were some former members of the list from the U.K. who were into him and sent me some brilliant live concert recordings long ago. I always loved Jimmy's songs but developed a deeper appreciation for him as I matured. Two loves of my life considered him their "Joni" plus my Edwardian era father thought Webb, McCartney and Lennon were some of the greatest composers of the 20th century. One boyfriend knew Jimmy a bit back in the day and used to relate a lot of stories about the background of the songs - some of which I think I posted here long ago but the memory is dimmer now. Initially, I didn't much take to the song P.F. Sloan either, but once I heard the back story, I appreciated it more! Campo de Encino was also the name of his house/compound in Encino, CA. The song Adios is a tribute to Lucy's El Adobe Mexican restaurant in LA across from Paramount Studios - recorded by both Linda Ronstadt and Jimmy. Lucy fed many of the now famous singer songwriters in LA for free back in the day. When her restaurant later went through rough times, those same artists all held a fundraiser to help her out. The restaurant is still operating on Melrose Ave. now. Jimmy was married to one of Barry Sullivan's (old Hollywood actor) daughters for many years and they had many children together. Sometime in the late 90s she separated from him and, by his own account, he was a complete mess. I was at one of his small shows in '99 where he spoke of this upheaval in his life and he said that Carly Simon came to his rescue and literally pulled him off the floor, took him to stay at her place and got him back on his feet. (Thank you, Carly!) He has done so well since then. He has often spoken of Joni as the epitome of singer-songwriters. For a great read, you might want to check out "Tunesmith," his book on his life and songwriting. I have read a deailed account of his Joni backstory of the album "Letters" - don't have all the details ready at hand but below is some background from the album liner notes. "Letters was a more sedate, piano-oriented album than its predecessors, and soaked in the influence of Webb's peer and eventual close friend Joni Mitchell. "I was tremendously influenced by Joni Mitchell," he admitted to Peter Doggett of Record Collector in 1994. "She was a good friend, and I was fortunate enough to be around her when she was working on For the Roses and Court and Spark. We were just part of each other's lives for a while. I definitely envied that part of her work -- the idea that this is just a conversation you're listening in on. It can still be poetry, but not self-conscious or forced poetry. I got extremely under her spell as a writer - -- I still am. I used to go to the studio and listen to her record, sit quietly in the back of the control room. After the Beatles, Joni was the next big blip on my radar screen, in terms of, 'Hey, pay attention: this girl is doing something a little bit different.'" Mitchell's longtime engineer Henry Lewy also did some engineering work for Letters as well. Joni's influence is most apparent on one of the record's stronger cuts, "Simile," inspired by an incident at the Los Angeles Troubadour club. Webb had sent her roses and a letter after seeing her perform there early in her career, but the letter wasn't found by Mitchell until a few years later, as alluded to in the song's opening verse. More indirectly, several other tracks had a similar intimate, piano-based ambience, such as "Hurt Me Well," "Catharsis," "Piano," and "When Can Brown Begin," the last of which might have had a hint of Brian Wilson as well." Walt, I hope someday you might get the chance to see him perform. It is really the experience of a lifetime. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #152 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------