From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #151 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Monday, May 23 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 151 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SJC Katie Melua and Leonard Cohen [Oddmund Kaarevik ] sweet joni from saskatoon [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: New Sandy Denny biography (njc) [Paul Castle ] Joni Mention in the Boston Herald [Michael Sentance ] Re: SJC Katie Melua and Leonard Cohen [Anita G ] Re: So Beautiful or So What - njc [Les Irvin ] Re: Rature Watching (njc) [Jimmy Stewart ] njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) [Walt Breen ] Re: So Beautiful or So What - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) [Catherine McKay ] One more bizarre note re "Campo de Encino" and the Joni/Jimmy connection... [Walt Breen ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 09:12:51 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: SJC Katie Melua and Leonard Cohen Saw Katie Melua in concert in Oslo on friday. It was simply amazing. She has an incredible charisma and I for one like her voice. I also bought Leonard Cohens newest album Songs from the road. I think it is very good. I so wish for Joni that she could see and learn a bit from Leonard. I have never felt so blessed as when I saw him twice. He has an extreme way of just being there. Being present. He does not strike me as bitter at all, even though he might have many reasons to be so. He is just a great lesson in the right humbleness and he lifts his band and his singers along with him. Lift them to the sky and beyond... Bitterness is not a good thing --- and happiness, is the best facelift no doubt- Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 13:07:15 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: sweet joni from saskatoon http://youtu.be/_9PcDfjkzN0 very sweet, indeed and please don't go too soon Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 12:12:29 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: New Sandy Denny biography (njc) I wrote > There's a much more enjoyable 2-hour documentary > film "Sandy Denny - Under Review" which can be > watched online here - http://bit.ly/dJbtf0 Brian Gross wrote: > Thanks for all that, Paul. > Except YouTube is saying that the uploader has not made this video available for viewing in the US :-(( Sorry about that - I didn't know. Managed to download the .flv file (309MB) from YouTube so would be happy to 'sendoid' it to anyone interested - email me privately Sendoid - http://sendoid.com - seems to work well (see this TechCrunch article for more details - http://tcrn.ch/m9A1XW ) best to all PaulC NP (for Harold) Always Look On The Bright Side - Monty Python http://blip.fm/~14rjzc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 09:53:15 -0400 From: Ann Subject: http://novakscheese.com/images... http://novakscheese.com/images/aast.php ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:39:56 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Joni Mention in the Boston Herald I don't think that there was any elbow thrown at Joni with the title. Headline writers aren't always the author of the article. And the Herald isn't known for subtlety: An authentic American idol at 70, Bob Dylan aint a-changinBy Jed Gottlieb Sunday, May 22, 2011 Bob Dylan turns 70 on Tuesday. Hes not slowing down. Last month, he played his first-ever shows in Taiwan, Vietnam and China. Next month, he kicks off a summer tour through nine countries on three continents. Since 1962, Dylan has released 34 studio albums, recorded some 500 songs and played 3,000-plus shows. For a generation, hes been a constant whos outlasted other constants  the Grateful Dead is done, James Brown is dead, but Dylan gigged more in the last decade than he did in the 60s. With no end to his so-called Neverending Tour in sight, a thousand more shows arent inconceivable. Hes not forever young. Hes just forever. So as his fans roll into their 50s, 60s and 70s, what can they learn from their heros longevity? Just this: Dont look back. Unlike so many that followed him, Dylans never fallen prey to nostalgia. Unsurprisingly, James Taylor and Carole King peddled their back pages on the blockbuster Troubadour Reunion Tour last summer. But nobody expects Dylan to cash in on double bills with Joan Baez. Peter Wolf and his J. Geils Band-mates put aside any differences for a couple of annual gigs, but a lucrative arena tour teaming Dylan with the surviving members of the Band would be shocking. Instead, he just keeps at it  tinkering with his backup bands lineup, shuffling set lists, rearranging songs, moving from acoustic guitar to electric guitar to piano, and making new records during his rare stretches off the road. Ever since he plugged in at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965, Dylans either casually ignored or overtly rejected rocks evolution. When a generation of musicians dropped acid and added 10-minute drum solos, he headed to Nashville. George Harrison fell hard for the sitar, the Rolling Stones dabbled in disco, Eric Clapton went soft-rock Top 40 and *Aerosmith*exploited rap. Not Dylan. No chasing fads, no duets with Michael Jackson or Snoop Dogg, no comeback album produced by Rick Rubin, just that same straight and simple sound. For boomers worried that theyre too old to be hip, too dated to be relevant, know that Steven Tyler is a false prophet. Hes given up street cred for a couple thousand Twitter followers and a seat next to J. Lo. Instead of getting Botox, tying a feather to your hair and pinning your future to reality TV, invoke the Tao of Dylan and just go forward as yourself. Maybe that sounds hokey. But its Dylans secret. Hes been booed, panned, mocked, nearly forgotten, reborn, born-again, called Judas and hes still looking toward the next song, the next show, the next horizon. *Classic rock* Bob Dylan hit the milestone first, but there are plenty of rockers ready to hit age 70 right behind him. Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts turns 70 in June, followed by: Paul Simon.....................................69Carole King....................................69Paul McCartney............................68Jimmy Page..................................67 Joni Mitchell..................................67Pete Townshend...........................66Carly Simon...................................65Peter Wolf......................................65 Neil Young......................................65Van Morrison.................................65Steven Tyler...................................63James Taylor..................................63 The link is here: http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view/2011_0522like_a_ rolling_stone_an_authentic_american_idol_at_70_dylan_aint_a-changin/srvc=home &position=also ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 09:23:33 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni Mention in the Boston Herald Grace Slick beat Dylan by more than a year. She turned 70 on 10/30/09. Maybe she didn't make this roster because she's not performing anymore. Grace has been pretty blunt about her view of aged rock 'n rollers taking to the stage. But Joni hasn't toured in over a decade and seems to be done with performing. She has always eschewed the whole nostalgia bit as well and I don't see her doing a 'Troubadours' type tour. Of course any kind of show she might do of older material would have to be adapted to fit her present voice. But then Dylan's voice is not what it used to be either. Not that his voice was ever much to begin with. It seems to me his current raspy vocals don't make much difference in his performances. Same with Leonard Cohen. Joni, on the other hand, made recordings in her early years that were indelibly stamped in people's memories by the sound of a young, flexible voice with an amazing range. Pretty hard to maintain and live up to, although Judy Collins, Rickie Lee Jones and some others have shown that it can be done. Some may say that Joni briefly followed the 'fads' of 80s music during that decade. I disagree. I think she used the synthesized sound in her own unique way. On 'Dog Eat Dog' she used it to create a musical ambience that drove her points home. I will always be willing to argue that Joni's genius far outstrips Dylan's. But Joni has never generated the kind of hoopla that Bobby D. does. Like it or not, she would not be packing them in to huge sports arenas if she had been touring all the time over the past few decades. So what would be the point of her being constantly on the road? And her health issues, whether we think they are delusional or not, would seem to make touring out of the question. Of course, I would still love to see her in a small venue. It would be wonderful to see her up close in an intimate atmosphere. Since I don't live near L.A., I doubt I will every get that opportunity. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sentance Bob Dylan hit the milestone first, but there are plenty of rockers ready to hit age 70 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 21:09:09 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: SJC Katie Melua and Leonard Cohen Hi Oddmund You have always struck me as a man of great taste, being on this list indicates this! So much of the music you have shared (some of your Norwegian women singers have been extraordinary) but Katie Melua, I just don't get at all. As a self confessed AI and X Factor viewer, believe me, I can do superficial :~)) but Katie Melua????? Maybe she's improved and I missed it. I'm glad you had a good night, but I'd have to be paid to go and see her. Now I feel really cruel. Can you point me to any good songs and I'll go and check her out again? Anyway, I also meant respond the other week about the loss of the great Norweigan, Grete Weitz. I thought she was a wonderful woman and a great inspiration. I am glad you posted here, because I would have missed it, Love Anita On 22 May 2011 08:12, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > Saw Katie Melua in concert > in Oslo on friday. > > It was simply amazing. > > She has an incredible charisma > and I for one like her voice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 16:08:34 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Rature Watching (njc) The guy who spent all his own money on billboards and ads proclaiming "the end" was in Times Square yesterday at 6 PM. When it didn't happen, he told reporters, "I don't understand. I don't know what went wrong." I know what went wrong... these people are SICK! Some of the "believers" actually drained their bank accounts and gave away all their stuff. If they thought the end was upon us, what good would that do? People wouldn't have any use for their stuff if everyone was going to die. Sick people. Kenny B Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:36:26 -0500 rom: T Peckham ubject: Re: Rapturous (too late for Joni, and most of us) I'd just like to know the best place for Rapture-Believer watching tomorrow. hatever will they do?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:30:00 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: So Beautiful or So What - njc I agree with the brilliance of the new Paul Simon disc, but would amend Jerry's statement to say "his best CD since Rhythm of the Saints"... On 5/21/2011 7:48 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > Have not seen a post on Paul Simon's new cd, but I strongly recommend it. > Easily a top Summer CD! If you are a fan, don't hesitate. His best cd since > Graceland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 16:31:31 -0400 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: Rature Watching (njc) Because it is a pic, I can't post it to the list, but I'll send it to the JMDL Facebook. I found it amusing Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On May 22, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Ken wrote: > The guy who spent all his own money on billboards and ads proclaiming "the > end" was in Times Square yesterday at 6 PM. When it didn't happen, he told > reporters, "I don't understand. I don't know what went wrong." > > > I know what went wrong... these people are SICK! > > > Some of the "believers" actually drained their bank accounts and gave away all > their stuff. If they thought the end was upon us, what good would that do? > People wouldn't have any use for their stuff if everyone was going to die. > Sick people. > > > Kenny B > > > Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:36:26 -0500 > rom: T Peckham > ubject: Re: Rapturous (too late for Joni, and most of us) > I'd just like to know the best place for Rapture-Believer watching tomorrow. > hatever will they do?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 16:18:34 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) Hi, all, Just got 3 recent Jimmy Webb cds, and I never cease to be amazed at his gifts. The three I got were 10 Easy Pieces plus 4 (a reissue of the '96 album, with him singing mostly well-known songs from 1966-80, plus four live performances in Wales in '05); Just Across the River (mostly duets, songs from '66-'09); and Twilight of the Renegades, all new songs, from 2005. All wonderful. There are very few songs I absolutely can't relate to (I know it's heartfelt, but I don't get P. F. Sloan, no matter how many times it gets explained), and many reduce me to tears. Mostly absent from these later albums are the the good goofy weird stoner songs of the sixties (no Paper Cup; no Up, Up and Away, thank god; but he does do MacArthur Park, which I don't care what anyone says, I love -- the middle movement, sometimes refered to as "After All the Loves of My Life", is heartrending), but his songwriting since the 90's shows him returned to full strenth. Like Joni in the '80's, he was frustrated by the poor commercial reception of his stuff from the '70's, although it was well received critically. I think the five or six albums he put out from 1970-80 are available again, individually, or all of them in a boxed set. I had'em all on LP, long lost, and I'm thinking of getting the set. I assume Jimmy and Joni *had* to have known each other in the '70's in California. Anybody know? Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 18:26:52 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) Hey, Walt. I know Kakki is a big fan. I saw him in concert with Glen Campbell a while back and they were both wonderful. 10 Easy Pieces is one of his best cd's. Jerry On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Walt Breen wrote: > Hi, all, Just got 3 recent Jimmy Webb cds, and I never cease to be amazed > at his gifts. The three I got were 10 Easy Pieces plus 4 (a reissue of the > '96 album, with him singing mostly well-known songs from 1966-80, plus four > live performances in Wales in '05); Just Across the River (mostly duets, > songs from '66-'09); and Twilight of the Renegades, all new songs, from > 2005. All wonderful. There are very few songs I absolutely can't relate to > (I know it's heartfelt, but I don't get P. F. Sloan, no matter how many > times it gets explained), and many reduce me to tears. Mostly absent from > these later albums are the the good goofy weird stoner songs of the sixties > (no Paper Cup; no Up, Up and Away, thank god; but he does do MacArthur Park, > which I don't care what anyone says, I love -- the middle movement, > sometimes refered to as "After All the Loves of My Life", is heartrending), > but his songwriting since the 90's shows him returned to full strenth. Like > Joni in the '80's, he was frustrated by the poor commercial reception of his > stuff from the '70's, although it was well received critically. I think the > five or six albums he put out from 1970-80 are available again, > individually, or all of them in a boxed set. I had'em all on LP, long lost, > and I'm thinking of getting the set. I assume Jimmy and Joni *had* to have > known each other in the '70's in California. Anybody know? Walt "Little" > Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of > touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too > easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down > Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild > and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) Visit my > website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "I'm Down" njc Parce que. c'est .ca et pas .com, mon ami. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jim L'Hommedieu > To: Randy Remote > Cc: JMDL ; Catherine McKay ; Sue >Tierney McNamara > Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 3:34:56 PM > Subject: Re: "I'm Down" njc > > Randy: I'm glad someone else hears it too. I can't talk about this stuff with >people in my "real life"- no one gets it. > > Catherine: Yahoo! rejected your email address, saying there's no such >account. What up with that? > Catherine McKay > > Jim L > > > > On 5/21/2011 1:31 AM, Randy Remote wrote: > > Good catch, Jim-it even rhymes with the original > > > > You tell me lies thinking I can't see > > See me walkin round in misery ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: So Beautiful or So What - njc I need to listen to it more. I saw Paul live in Toronto a few weeks ago. It was when he sang the song live that I realized what the lyrics meant and I realized it was effin' brilliant, and something that probably only an older person (like me, ahem) would even think about. So glad I got to see him live. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Les Irvin > To: Joni List > Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 5:30:00 PM > Subject: Re: So Beautiful or So What - njc > > I agree with the brilliance of the new Paul Simon disc, but would amend Jerry's >statement to say "his best CD since Rhythm of the Saints"... > > On 5/21/2011 7:48 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > > Have not seen a post on Paul Simon's new cd, but I strongly recommend it. > > Easily a top Summer CD! If you are a fan, don't hesitate. His best cd since > > Graceland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 15:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rature Watching (njc) I never cease to be amazed by how stupid and gullible some people are. I've never understood that whole "rapture" thing anyway. That old fart should be thrown in jail. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ken > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 5:08:34 PM > Subject: Re: Rature Watching (njc) > > The guy who spent all his own money on billboards and ads proclaiming "the > end" was in Times Square yesterday at 6 PM. When it didn't happen, he told > reporters, "I don't understand. I don't know what went wrong." > > > I know what went wrong... these people are SICK! > > > Some of the "believers" actually drained their bank accounts and gave away all > their stuff. If they thought the end was upon us, what good would that do? > People wouldn't have any use for their stuff if everyone was going to die. > Sick people. > > > Kenny B > > > Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:36:26 -0500 > rom: T Peckham > ubject: Re: Rapturous (too late for Joni, and most of us) > I'd just like to know the best place for Rapture-Believer watching tomorrow. > hatever will they do?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 15:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) When I was a kid, I though JW was kinda square. It was only when I, ahem, matured, that I came to realize his gift. He really is rather good. :-) - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gerald Notaro > To: Walt Breen > Cc: Jonilist Digest > Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 7:26:52 PM > Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must >be here) > > Hey, Walt. I know Kakki is a big fan. I saw him in concert with Glen > Campbell a while back and they were both wonderful. 10 Easy Pieces is one of > his best cd's. > > Jerry > > > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Walt Breen wrote: > > > Hi, all, Just got 3 recent Jimmy Webb cds, and I never cease to be amazed > > at his gifts. The three I got were 10 Easy Pieces plus 4 (a reissue of the > > '96 album, with him singing mostly well-known songs from 1966-80, plus four > > live performances in Wales in '05); Just Across the River (mostly duets, > > songs from '66-'09); and Twilight of the Renegades, all new songs, from > > 2005. All wonderful. There are very few songs I absolutely can't relate to > > (I know it's heartfelt, but I don't get P. F. Sloan, no matter how many > > times it gets explained), and many reduce me to tears. Mostly absent from > > these later albums are the the good goofy weird stoner songs of the sixties > > (no Paper Cup; no Up, Up and Away, thank god; but he does do MacArthur Park, > > which I don't care what anyone says, I love -- the middle movement, > > sometimes refered to as "After All the Loves of My Life", is heartrending), > > but his songwriting since the 90's shows him returned to full strenth. Like > > Joni in the '80's, he was frustrated by the poor commercial reception of his > > stuff from the '70's, although it was well received critically. I think the > > five or six albums he put out from 1970-80 are available again, > > individually, or all of them in a boxed set. I had'em all on LP, long lost, > > and I'm thinking of getting the set. I assume Jimmy and Joni *had* to have > > known each other in the '70's in California. Anybody know? Walt "Little" > > Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of > > touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too > > easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down > > Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild > > and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) Visit >my > > website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 16:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) Yes, they did, and conclusive sonic evidence exists. Check out JM.com and you'll find that Joni contributes backing vocals to several Jimmy Webb recordings - from memory I recal that one of them was "Walk Your Feet In the Sunshine", I forget the others but Simon has it all accurately notated at the site. Bob NP: Tori Amos, "A Sorta Fairytale" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 17:50:22 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: The Joni/Jimmy Connection! Hi gang, Did some more research on whether and to what extent Joni and Jimmy Webb were friends. On "10 Easy Pieces Plus 4", he does a live version of an utterly obscure song called "Campo de Encino". He tells the story that he and Harry Nillson were drinking buddies, who'd get to playfully bashing each other. Essentially, Harry insisted that Jimmy couldn't sing, and he (Nillson) wouldn't touch one of his songs because they were too dreary (apparently ignoring Jimmy's '60's oeuvre; but I digress); Jimmy countered that while Harry's lyrics were *clever*, they had no emotional content; and so on. Anyway, Jimmy took up the challenge of writing a song goofy enough for Harry to sing (Campo), and Harry recorded it, but his record company wouldn't go near it, and it remained in obscurity until Jimmy resurrected it for that '05 concert. Jimmy explains that the '70's were largely a blur for him, but that he put much of what he did remember of them in this song, which imho *is* funny, at some points hysterically so. This is where it gets interesting: What Jimmy *didn't* say at the live concert was that the memory that got him going was (this from the notes to the box of all his '70's recordings, The Moon's a Harsh Mistress): The booklet reads like a biographical novella, rich in detail and information. I particularly enjoyed Webb recounting the nude concert he attended with Joni Mitchell that gave birth to the lyric for "Campo De Encino." It will be hard to listen to that song in quite the same way again! :) Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info > Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 15:39:52 -0700 > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) > To: notaro@mail.usf.edu; littlebreen@live.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > > When I was a kid, I though JW was kinda square. It was only when I, ahem, > matured, that I came to realize his gift. > > He really is rather good. > > :-) > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Gerald Notaro > > To: Walt Breen > > Cc: Jonilist Digest > > Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 7:26:52 PM > > Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must > >be here) > > > > Hey, Walt. I know Kakki is a big fan. I saw him in concert with Glen > > Campbell a while back and they were both wonderful. 10 Easy Pieces is one of > > his best cd's. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Walt Breen wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, Just got 3 recent Jimmy Webb cds, and I never cease to be amazed > > > at his gifts. The three I got were 10 Easy Pieces plus 4 (a reissue of the > > > '96 album, with him singing mostly well-known songs from 1966-80, plus four > > > live performances in Wales in '05); Just Across the River (mostly duets, > > > songs from '66-'09); and Twilight of the Renegades, all new songs, from > > > 2005. All wonderful. There are very few songs I absolutely can't relate to > > > (I know it's heartfelt, but I don't get P. F. Sloan, no matter how many > > > times it gets explained), and many reduce me to tears. Mostly absent from > > > these later albums are the the good goofy weird stoner songs of the sixties > > > (no Paper Cup; no Up, Up and Away, thank god; but he does do MacArthur > Park, > > > which I don't care what anyone says, I love -- the middle movement, > > > sometimes refered to as "After All the Loves of My Life", is heartrending), > > > but his songwriting since the 90's shows him returned to full strenth. Like > > > Joni in the '80's, he was frustrated by the poor commercial reception of > his > > > stuff from the '70's, although it was well received critically. I think the > > > five or six albums he put out from 1970-80 are available again, > > > individually, or all of them in a boxed set. I had'em all on LP, long lost, > > > and I'm thinking of getting the set. I assume Jimmy and Joni *had* to have > > > known each other in the '70's in California. Anybody know? Walt "Little" > > > Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out > of > > > touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too > > > easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down > > > Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild > > > and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) Visit > >my > > > website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 18:25:53 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: One more bizarre note re "Campo de Encino" and the Joni/Jimmy connection... Okay, first of all, I didn't realize until I reexamined Jimmy's '70's albums that while Harry Nilsson's version of "Campo de Encino" was never released, Jimmy's own version was on "Letters" from 1972, considered by some to be the best of his '70's recordings; I kind of agree. So "Campo" is not as obscure as I thought. But bizarrely, the Japanese import version of the CD reissue is sometimes listed as "Letters by Jimmy Webb and Joni Mitchell"!!! I presume this is because she contributed background vocals, as mentioned by Bob, but still... weird. Perhaps because she was better known than he in Japan at the time. These are the same people who captioned her as "Joni Mitchell Klein" in a video of her stop there in her world tour in '83-'84. Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info > Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 15:39:52 -0700 > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must be here) > To: notaro@mail.usf.edu; littlebreen@live.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > > When I was a kid, I though JW was kinda square. It was only when I, ahem, > matured, that I came to realize his gift. > > He really is rather good. > > :-) > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Gerald Notaro > > To: Walt Breen > > Cc: Jonilist Digest > > Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 7:26:52 PM > > Subject: Re: njc Any other Jimmy Webb fans? (half-kidding, I know there must > >be here) > > > > Hey, Walt. I know Kakki is a big fan. I saw him in concert with Glen > > Campbell a while back and they were both wonderful. 10 Easy Pieces is one of > > his best cd's. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Walt Breen wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, Just got 3 recent Jimmy Webb cds, and I never cease to be amazed > > > at his gifts. The three I got were 10 Easy Pieces plus 4 (a reissue of the > > > '96 album, with him singing mostly well-known songs from 1966-80, plus four > > > live performances in Wales in '05); Just Across the River (mostly duets, > > > songs from '66-'09); and Twilight of the Renegades, all new songs, from > > > 2005. All wonderful. There are very few songs I absolutely can't relate to > > > (I know it's heartfelt, but I don't get P. F. Sloan, no matter how many > > > times it gets explained), and many reduce me to tears. Mostly absent from > > > these later albums are the the good goofy weird stoner songs of the sixties > > > (no Paper Cup; no Up, Up and Away, thank god; but he does do MacArthur > Park, > > > which I don't care what anyone says, I love -- the middle movement, > > > sometimes refered to as "After All the Loves of My Life", is heartrending), > > > but his songwriting since the 90's shows him returned to full strenth. Like > > > Joni in the '80's, he was frustrated by the poor commercial reception of > his > > > stuff from the '70's, although it was well received critically. I think the > > > five or six albums he put out from 1970-80 are available again, > > > individually, or all of them in a boxed set. I had'em all on LP, long lost, > > > and I'm thinking of getting the set. I assume Jimmy and Joni *had* to have > > > known each other in the '70's in California. Anybody know? Walt "Little" > > > Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out > of > > > touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too > > > easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down > > > Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild > > > and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) Visit > >my > > > website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 06:11:31 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Re: SJC Katie Melua and Leonard Cohen Hi Anita! I understand your criticism. And I don't think I will be able to convince you that you are not right. First, let me tell you a bit about why I like Ms Melua. When I turned 30 I went and visited my sister who lives in the city where the northern lights perform, Tromso. Her daughter, my niece, who now is 14 introduced med to Katie Melua. I had of course heard of her, but I had never sat down and listened to anything she had done. At that point of my life, the season, the year, my mood, ms Melua just found me home. Now, this concert, mostly consisted of material from her newest album. And I had never heard most of the songs before. Even though I like most of them. And I think that is because she is able to make it simple. I remember some years ago I fell in love with Tracy Chapmans song "Sing to you" and shared it to the list. The answer I got was that it was banal lyrics and a simple melody. So what? I think that is great art, to make a song, so easy, that one remembers it. I'll send two videos from youtube, but I guess they won't convince you. But where you at, I would rather go for Leonard Cohens newest album: Songs from the Road. It is beautiful. Can also warmly recommend: Anna Jdrvinen: Anna sjdlv, trddja, The Unthanks: Last Lisa Nilsson or maybe Birgit Bidder: The Life Home, who was the opening act for Ms: Melua. In music, and in life as else, I am moving up and down all the time. From Joni Mitchell, Bob Dyland and Schubert to Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Jessie J Whatever I like. I don't like to lock myself to one genre Jazz, country, Patti Smith, Nanci Griffith, Ingrid Olava, Jim Neversink They all have something.... Love Oddmund http://youtu.be/4E4-9yKTv_I http://youtu.be/lCdRA0lQq38 On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Anita G wrote: > Hi Oddmund > You have always struck me as a man of great taste, being on this list > indicates this! So much of the music you have shared (some of your > Norwegian women singers have been extraordinary) but Katie Melua, I > just don't get at all. As a self confessed AI and X Factor viewer, > believe me, I can do superficial :~)) but Katie Melua????? Maybe she's > improved and I missed it. I'm glad you had a good night, but I'd have > to be paid to go and see her. Now I feel really cruel. Can you point > me to any good songs and I'll go and check her out again? > > Anyway, I also meant respond the other week about the loss of the > great Norweigan, Grete Weitz. I thought she was a wonderful woman and > a great inspiration. I am glad you posted here, because I would have > missed it, > Love > Anita > > On 22 May 2011 08:12, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: >> Saw Katie Melua in concert >> in Oslo on friday. >> >> It was simply amazing. >> >> She has an incredible charisma >> and I for one like her voice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 06:39:43 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: amelia one of my favorite songs beautiful version http://youtu.be/8bFgxKov8Ts O ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #151 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------