From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #148 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 20 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 148 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A word about Lisa Appignanesi's "Mad, Bad and Sad"... [Walt Breen ] False Alarm (njc) [Walt Breen ] Re: Twitter on Joni.com NJC [Moni Kellermann ] Re: New Sandy Denny biography (njc) [T Peckham ] Re: Twitter on Joni.com NJC [T Peckham ] Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC [Anita G ] JoniMitchell.com funding [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC ["Mark" ] Re: Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC [Anne Sandstrom Subject: A word about Lisa Appignanesi's "Mad, Bad and Sad"... Hi all, Having computer and health trouble; but in the discussion on women's mental health issues, someone mentioned Appignanesi's "Mad, Bad and Sad". That rang an alarm for some reason, and I consulted with friends in the field, and looked up reviews on the web. It's considered an unmitigated piece of crap by almost everybody in the academic community (male and female alike), with no scientific value whatsoever: feminist polemics is the term I heard from several people, and absolutely everyone I spoke to said to buy almost anything else; alas, as usual, most good technical books are expensive (most in this field, not surprisingly, by women), but there are even some pretty good, inexpensive pop psychology books on the topic out there. If I've stepped on anyone's toes who just loves the book, I'm sorry; but I thought I should say something, for anyone who might consider buying the book for any other reason than the "misapplication of the most rabid '70's-style feminism to what should be a scientific endeavor," as one friend put it. Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 00:25:45 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: NjC Kate McGarrigle Celebration At Town Hall Michael, I very much enjoyed the concert. In fact, that would be an understatement. I sighed and moaned after songs, loved how they intermingled themselves seamlessly for different songs: McGariggle shows were never quite that organized. Still, it was acoustic nd briliant. ~Richard Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 23:12:11 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: NjC Kate McGarrigle Celebration At Town Hall Richard, Thank you so much for posting the set list and the description of the show. Did you enjoy the evening ? I can only assume you did. As a former Montrealer, I have always loved the McGarrigles and their music, even when it went out of style. I wish I could have been at that concert in NYC. So lovely to see all these performers and friends come together in Kate's memory. Best, Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 02:33:35 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Twitter on Joni.com NJC Aw geez, you guys . . . first you (and another friend) suck me back into Idol--but just barely!--and now Twitter. Gak! I have checked out Twitter a few times--Ryan Adams, Steve Nash (I know, I know), but--Rosanne Cash?!? Now I may have to sign up. Sigh. Thanks, thanks a lot. :-P Terra On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Just to demonstrate what a goof I am, I signed into Twitter to check and > found > that I am following both jonimitchell.com and rosannecash. Maybe I will > check in > more often, because RC really is very funny, not to mention a pretty good > songwriter at that. ;-) > > > > > > If anyone does want to follow the Twitter feed, you can find it at: > > http://twitter.com/#!/JoniMitchellcom > > > > If you do join Twitter, I gotta tell you that @rosannecash is hilarious! > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 01:44:37 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: False Alarm (njc) Hi, all, This is apropos of nothing, but I had to give my beautiful standard Shnauzer, Amelia, away; the landlord was getting too many complaints about her -- she'd been in the production end of a puppy farm, not abused but neglected, and she didn't know how to act with people. After over a year with me, she was fine, as long as she never left the house -- my favorite mental picture of her was during one game I was able to develop with her. I would hide snacks around the house for her to find -- she'd wait patiently -- and then tear around the house looking for them. When she was convinced she'd found everything (often incorrectly), she'd jump on the side of my bed, her long ears (not clipped, thank god) flopped back, she'd look at me out of the corner of her eye, and hold position. Never failed to convulse me in laughter. When she *was* wrong, and I found there *was* still food hidden in a few places, I'd shake my head and say, "Nope, Amelia, false alarm", which she learned to mean she wasn't finished yet, and she'd tear off again. She couldn't function with any other human being, including the landlord; taking her outside was a trial, she'd either howl in fear or occasionally attack; the landlord had loved my first dog, Marineta (she passed in January, 2010), but he said he'd really prefer I find Amelia a new home. It took me months, but I found a good match for her. And I still, after 2 months, weep when I get home from a walk and she's not here. Soon as I get the hell out of here (Utah) and back to the west coast, I'll get another short, hairy friend. If he's a boy, he'll be Jericho (Furry's too obvious); and if she's a girl, there are lots of choices... If I weren't otherwise surrounded by animals (ranch country) and friends with pets, I'd go nuts; but I'll be outta here soon. Thanks for listening, Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:55:29 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Twitter on Joni.com NJC Am 19.05.2011 09:33, Wie T Peckham so vortrefflich formulierte: > Rosanne Cash?!? Now I may have to sign up. Sigh. Why do you think you need to sign up? Unless you want to send tweets to Ms. Cash there is no reason you need an account. You can simply READ the tweets. If you have a few tweeters whose tweets you don't want to miss, you can subscribe to the feeds via RSS and your browser or feedreader can retrieve the tweets automatically. I am using Opera (www.opera.com) as a browser which has the feeds feature built in. Very convenient. moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 02:59:08 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: New Sandy Denny biography (njc) Thanks for this, Paul! Quel coincidence re Hammond's post on FB, eh? Would really love to hear more about your chat with her sometime. Also, thanks for the recommendation and link to the documentary. It's been lingering on my Amazon Wishlist for a while now. Best, Terra On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Paul Castle wrote: > Just announced on Facebook today - > > http://on.fb.me/itV2mZ > > >> Authorised Sandy Denny Biography to be > published by Faber & Faber in 2013/14 > > Finally, a complete, considered and authorised > biography of Sandy is underway. Late last year her > estate approached long time music journalist and > PR man, Mick Houghton with the idea: publishers, > Faber & Faber commissioned the project and now > it's underway - due for publication late 2013/early > 2014. > > Mick is eminently suited to the task. Whilst he's > taken care of the PR for many of the big names in > the UK's music scene through the 80s, Sandy fans > will be more impressed by his current roster of > boyhood folk music heroes: Richard Thompson, > Bert Jansch, John Renbourn, and Shirley Collins. > The past couple of years saw him researching and > writing *Becoming Elektra*, his book about his all > time favourite record label, Elektra Records and its > founder Jac Holzman, that was published last October > while Mick was already busy organising the PR for the > Sandy Boxset and also providing all the interviews for > the hardback book that accompanied the 19 CDs. >> > > I also hear that a reprint of Clinton Heylin's biography > "No More Sad Refrains - The Life and Times of Sandy > Denny" is due to be published on June 6 2011. > I read this when it was originally published in 2002 > but personally found it a pretty depressing read. > > There's a much more enjoyable 2-hour documentary > film "Sandy Denny - Under Review" which can be > watched online here - http://bit.ly/dJbtf0 > > best to all > PaulC > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 03:07:52 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Twitter on Joni.com NJC Hi Moni, Ah, I know you're right. That was a tongue-in-cheek comment, tho I* am*afraid that if I even sign up for feeds I'll become obsessed. But then, everything comes and goes . . . ;-) Terra On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Am 19.05.2011 09:33, Wie T Peckham so vortrefflich formulierte: > > Rosanne Cash?!? Now I may have to sign up. Sigh. >> > > Why do you think you need to sign up? > > Unless you want to send tweets to Ms. Cash there is no reason you need an > account. > > You can simply READ the tweets. > > If you have a few tweeters whose tweets you don't want to miss, you can > subscribe to the feeds via RSS and your browser or feedreader can retrieve > the tweets automatically. > > I am using Opera (www.opera.com) as a browser which has the feeds feature > built in. Very convenient. > > moni k. > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:23:02 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC Lauren has made the biggest progress on a personal/performance level, I think Haley has given some incredible performances, but needs to find her real passion for a music that is hers. It's hard for me to imagine you folks over the pond not choosing Scotty as your AI, especially if he does another country patriotic anthem. I think Scotty is the next Jim Reeves and will have a huge career for many years and will develop and grow IF he doesn't do any more of the very camp hand gestures he seems to have picked up from Jacob. (However, for me, it gives him another dimension!) I think Idyllwild's Casey will have a huge career. Biggest losers are the Judges. Goodness me, how repetitive and sycophantic. I never ever dreamed I would miss Simon Cowell! Anita On 19 May 2011 04:41, Bob Muller wrote: > Yeah, I agree with all that. Like I said, I think the country vote will split > Lauren and Scotty and Haley will win it. They're all OK and could become pop > stars and make "formula music for juveniles". I like James the best and getting > kicked off when he did will allow him to keep some rock cred. > > I didn't even watch last week's show until Sunday because no one commented on > it. > > Bob > > NP: Fleet Foxes, "Montezuma" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:27:00 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: A word about Lisa Appignanesi's "Mad, Bad and Sad"... Hi Walt It's me that loved this book. But there again I would as a 70s feminist (though how rabid I don't know). I would add, though, is that that kind of critique has been thrown at a lot of feminist material that is critical of what, historically has been, male preserves and privilege. Read it and make up your own mind, I would say Anita , I'm sorry; but I thought I should say something, for anyone who might consider buying the book for any other reason than the "misapplication of the most rabid '70's-style feminism to what should be a scientific endeavor," as one friend put it. Walt "Little" Breen Well, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 03:51:49 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: False Alarm (njc) Hi Walt. Just want to say that I can relate to what you're feeling, in a couple of ways. I was going to write something the other day when you mentioned needing to move to a different state. (Utah would be like the end of the earth for me--actually, any of those noncoastal Western states would drive me nuts.) I grew up in a small town but somehow always longed to be in a big city. So in my case, I'd like to once again leave my home state of Wisconsin and get back out to the NYC area--Staten Island, actually. (Yep, I had "Song for Sharon" running thru my head practically every time I rode the ferry.) I'm glad to hear it sounds like you will soon be on your way back to a coast. I'm so sorry you had to give up Amelia, but very glad your landlord at least gave you enough time to find another good home for her. I recently had to move (within the same city) in order to finally get away from a bad situation with the landlady (made worse by her impending financial meltdown). Given my limited finances and my family of four cats, I wasn't able to find an affordable place of my own, but at least had the fallback position of moving into a friend's house. It was all quite stressful, but then about a month and half before I had to make the decision and move in with my friend, one of my much-loved kitties got sick. He was the one who loved everybody, loved being petted, and was just a big, affectionate lug. His name was Cody. He was only thirteen, and when I took him to the vet, not more than a couple of days after he showed very mild symptoms, I never dreamed he'd be gone less than a week later. (For once, I had money in the bank to pay for all the tests, etc., and I stupidly thought that would somehow protect him . . . in the end, they couldn't even tell me for certain what was wrong, tho they thought it was probably very aggressive pancreatic cancer.) I'm still in shock over it. I had been worried about him being unhappy in the new place, which has only one small window in my bedroom, and a larger one in the living room--he and the others were used to having five big old-style windows in our rooms--especially with spring arriving. (It has to get *really* cold out for me to completely close my windows--this time of year, they're always open.) But then I thought that at least it might be a little easier for me being in the new place where he had never lived--wouldn't be looking for him in the usual spots. But I was wrong about that too. Not a night goes by that I don't cry over it. Having the other three, much as I love 'em, just isn't enough--and it just isn't the same, either. I enjoyed your story about Amelia, and I hope you'll soon be able to find another sweetie. I think my next kitty will probably be named Riley (what I belatedly realized I should have called Cody, after I'd had him for a while. But only if it fits his or her personality.) :-) All the best to you, Terra On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Walt Breen wrote: > Hi, all, This is apropos of nothing, but I had to give my beautiful > standard Shnauzer, Amelia, away; the landlord was getting too many > complaints about her -- she'd been in the production end of a puppy farm, > not abused but neglected, and she didn't know how to act with people. After > over a year with me, she was fine, as long as she never left the house -- my > favorite mental picture of her was during one game I was able to develop > with her. I would hide snacks around the house for her to find -- she'd wait > patiently -- and then tear around the house looking for them. When she was > convinced she'd found everything (often incorrectly), she'd jump on the side > of my bed, her long ears (not clipped, thank god) flopped back, she'd look > at me out of the corner of her eye, and hold position. Never failed to > convulse me in laughter. When she *was* wrong, and I found there *was* still > food hidden in a few places, I'd shake my head and say, "Nope, Amelia, false > alarm", which she learned to mean she wasn't finished yet, and she'd tear > off again. She couldn't function with any other human being, including the > landlord; taking her outside was a trial, she'd either howl in fear or > occasionally attack; the landlord had loved my first dog, Marineta (she > passed in January, 2010), but he said he'd really prefer I find Amelia a new > home. It took me months, but I found a good match for her. And I still, > after 2 months, weep when I get home from a walk and she's not here. Soon as > I get the hell out of here (Utah) and back to the west coast, I'll get > another short, hairy friend. If he's a boy, he'll be Jericho (Furry's too > obvious); and if she's a girl, there are lots of choices... If I weren't > otherwise surrounded by animals (ranch country) and friends with pets, I'd > go nuts; but I'll be outta here soon. Thanks for listening, Walt "Little" > Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of > touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too > easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down > Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild > and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) Visit my > website: www.learninginsights.info - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 06:37:43 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: JoniMitchell.com funding Dear Joniphiles, Here is another reminder to please make a donation to Les Irvin to keep JoniMitchell.com hosted for another year. No one here needs persuading that the website is fantastic and how many among us visit it at least weekly? The archives continue to grow, with new videos, interviews and transcriptions (to which I am proud to be a contributor) being added frequently, so it is an ever-evolving and enlarging website to be hosted. It costs $1000 a year for this and my last invitation to make donations have brought us to under 50% of that goal. In other words only about 25 people have made a contribution. To them many thanks; but we need more help. I know income is getting hard to find these days but please if you do have $20-$25 to contribute (about 1/3 of a tank of gas at today's US prices, even less in Europe) please click below and keep OUR website up for another year. In case there are newcomers to the list reading this, Joni Mitchell herself is not involved with the maintenance of her website in any way and may never have even seen it, actually, as she is not a computer user. It has been lovingly built over 15 years and is now under the care of Les Irvin who makes not a nickel from its operation. We need to give our support so we can continue to enjoy it. http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm All who make a donation will receive a download link to grab the 2011 edition of Joni covers recorded by JMDL members and a few invited guests that I am compiling. There are some brilliant tracks coming in already and more are promised to me. So you even get a musical gift for your contribution :-) Contact me offlist for more information on submitting a track for this. thanks everyone, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:29:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC This was probably not intentional on your part, Anne - Scotty's from GARNER, NC. Been there several times myself. Will have to motivate myself to watch this week's songs. Bob NP: Midnight Oil, "One Country" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:16:45 -0400 From: Ann Subject: [none] http://cumbresblancas.com.ar/images/app.php ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 18:25:01 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC I haven't paid much attention to her up to this point but Haley's performance of 'Rhiannon' made me think of Joanne Worley of Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in fame. She used to crack me up with her signature, piercing pronouncement: BORRRRR-RING!!!! LALALAL! I do think Scotty has a career as a C&W singer. As for Lauren, see Joanne Worley comment above. Don't understand why she's in the Top Three. I felt bad for James when he got voted off. He struck me as one of the few contestants who put pure passion into his performances and he has one helluva voice. I wonder how the hype and hoopla might have affected him, though, if he had one the whole competition. His emotions seem to be so near the surface. If he is as vulnerable as he seems to be, it might have been difficult for him to handle. And then again, maybe not. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Anita G Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:23 AM To: Bob Muller Cc: Jimmy Stewart ; Gerald Notaro ; rflynn@frontiernet.net ; Catherine McKay ; Susan Tierney McNamara ; Moni Kellermann ; jonipeople LIST Subject: Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC Lauren has made the biggest progress on a personal/performance level, I think Haley has given some incredible performances, but needs to find her real passion for a music that is hers. It's hard for me to imagine you folks over the pond not choosing Scotty as your AI, especially if he does another country patriotic anthem. I think Scotty is the next Jim Reeves and will have a huge career for many years and will develop and grow IF he doesn't do any more of the very camp hand gestures he seems to have picked up from Jacob. (However, for me, it gives him another dimension!) I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:28:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: New Article Denying Morgellons OK, so the study rules out an infestation by a recognizable organism. Fine. It didn't rule out something like a condition of the central nervous system. Or an allergic reaction of some kind. I just don't buy it when lots of people are considered delusional just because the medical profession (and drug companies) can't identify a cause. It's like there's no treatment, so the condition is all in your head. Now, that's illogical. Hope your hives get better Walt! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:16:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Re: Idol NJC wasRe: Twitter on Joni.com NJC I agree totally about Scotty taking a page from the Jacob Stage Manners book. Including facial expressions. He'd probably garner more votes (not necessarily a good thing by me) if he just looked soulfully into the camera. Imagine all those pre-teen girls' fingers itching to dial the number for him! And, am I going tone deaf, or didn't he have pitch problems in every song last night? Lauren continues to improve. She's predictable, but will be able to have a hit or two. Haley continues to be the only one capable of (mild) surprise. Loved her choice of the Led Zep song. Brave and well executed. Rihannon was all wrong for her. (Honestly, Jimmy can't pick a song to save his life!) But she did what she could with it. I'm glad AI didn't block James' homecoming. They did for Siobhan last year. (The Cape wanted to give her a big welcome, but AI quashed it.) At least the 2 hours didn't drag as much as they could have. I groaned when they announced how long the show would be... Do you suppose if Casey had stayed in we could have convinced him to do some Joni? I bet we could have. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:36:27 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: New Article Denying Morgellons Having not read the article yet, I'm a little struck by the term "recognisable organism". Ok we can check what we know off. But what if the infestation is not from a recognisable organism? Are they just plastering over the cracks in their research? Jamie Zubairi Sent from my iPhone On 18 May 2011, at 21:28, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > OK, so the study rules out an infestation by a recognizable organism. > Fine. > > It didn't rule out something like a condition of the central nervous > system. Or an allergic reaction of some kind. > > I just don't buy it when lots of people are considered delusional just > because the medical profession (and drug companies) can't identify a > cause. It's like there's no treatment, so the condition is all in your > head. Now, that's illogical. > > Hope your hives get better Walt! > > lots of love, > Anne ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #148 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------