From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 26 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 122 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? [Bob M] Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? [Anita ] Re: Re: Happy Easter njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Original version of Jericho? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of Jericho? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Original version of Jericho? [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? [Bob M] Re: Original version of Jericho? [Michael Flaherty ] Re: NJC Listen A New Young Songwriter [] Joni mention on Nurse Jackie [M C ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 02:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? Yes Terra - you are EXACTLY right. If AI had a JM night, it would entail ALL the usual suspects you listed, + Woodstock, with an outside shot at "All I Want" due to its inclusion in The Kids Are All Right. The SHAME would be that some really great SINGER'S songs, like "Blue Motel Room" and "Dry Cleaner" wouldn't be used and they can really showcase a singer's voice. But you know me - the Joni covers slut, I would love it. Clay Aiken from AI fame has added BSN to his show - we discussed that a bit ago. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:06:12 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? Do y'all mean that 'Chair In The Sky' wouldn't be on the AI list? Surely not? Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Re: Happy Easter njc Whatever religion you end up being sounds similar to mine. We could start a church but then we'd end up fighting for who would be in charge and we'd start thinking of ourselves as better than everyone else and then we'd have some kind of disagreement and split apart and then fight with each other for centuries. I suppose people left during the closing hymn so they could get out of the parking lot in a hurry. > >From: Anne Sandstrom >To: anima_rising@yahoo.ca >Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; mark-leon@iinet.net.au; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 8:38:30 AM >Subject: Re: Re: Happy Easter njc > >Happy Easter to those who celebrate. And sending thoughts of joy and spring to >everyone. > >Went to a sunrise service on our local town green this morning. Sun was breaking >through the mist and birds were chirping loudly. The singing was lovely >(although everyone hurried away at the end during Amazing Grace, which bummed me >out.) The sermon was pretty much what I expected/dreaded. I've never entirely >understood the 'us vs. them' mentality of religions. But I do like the sense of >community and charity. (In case you're wondering what religion I subscribe to - >none. The chaplain at Dana Farber and I used to have long wonderful discussions >about it. Once he understood my beliefs, I asked him what religion I might be >most closely affiliated with. He couldn't come up with one. Bascially, I don't >separate the creator from the creation and think that God does not have a gender >and is everywhere. And that what you do matters a whole lot more than what you >believe.) But, everyone has their own path and I'm perfectly fine with that. > >So now the sun is coming out and it looks to be somewhat warmer today after a >cold and rainy Saturday. > >lots of love, >Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:43:31 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Original version of Jericho? So that would also agree with the contention that the first studio version is the original. Right? - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:08 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Merk54@aol.com; Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You Turn Me On..." is the original.. Joni's original, that is. I for one would say that Tom Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the original, but you know how I am with Joni covers. Bob NP: Gomez, "Hamoa Beach" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:48:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of Jericho? I've seen that 1966 date for the single of UFG in discographies, but are we sure about that? The single version on the reissue of TR's album _The Circle Game_ lists it as 1968. The liner notes say he met Joni in Detroit "late in 1966" and that it was "several months after he passed as tape of his version to the massively influential Boston radio station, WBZ. Joni recalls in this 1968 interview http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 that she had "just written it" when she performed it on "Let's Sing Out" October 24, 1966 and that Dave Van Ronk asked for it, even as he & Patrick Sky made a bunch of sexist jokes on the set. Tom Rush took the song after that, tried to shop it to Judy Collins, and then recorded himself, sent the tape to the radio station where it received a lot of airplay. When Elektra eventually released the single version, it didn't go anywhere. Seems like a lot to transpire between October and the end of 1966, if Rush's UFG was truly released as a single that year. It does seem likely that Rush could have recorded it that year. In his interview with Wally Breese, http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1366 Tom Rush recalled that the single (based on the WBZ recording) came out about the same time as the album: WB: In November of '66, Joni was on a radio show and she said that you'd already recorded "The Circle Game," but the album that contains the song didn't make the charts until April of '68, so I'm wondering was there a different single version that was out earlier? TR: It was a very odd thing. I first recorded "Urge for Going," actually. It was on a tape that I gave to my buddies at WBZ in Boston, I had some friends there. Access was so easy in those days. I had a show at WHRB and my friends Jefferson Kay and Dick Summer had shows on WBZ and I kind of thought we were on a par. I didn't know at that time what "50,000 watt clear channel" meant, but they had the most powerful signal allowable by law on a frequency that nobody else occupied and these guys got mail from New Zealand sometimes when the ionosphere was right. I still get people from Ohio who come up to me and say, "When me and the Mrs. was courtin', we'd go up on the bluff on Sunday night where we could get WBZ." They had a huge listenership. So I gave a tape of "Urge for Going" to Jefferson Kay, he played it and it became the most requested song on the station. It was very, very popular. I think partly because the only way you could hear it was to call up and ask for it. This was before cassette recorders were common. Reel to reel tape recorders were pretty exotic. Not too many people had them. So if you wanted to hear this song you had to call up and request it. When it finally did come out on disc as a single, I think the single came out about the same time as the album, but my recollection may be flawed. But when it finally did come out, none of the other stations in Boston would touch it. WB: Because it had the WBZ stamp on it. TR: Exactly. It was owned by WBZ and it was still the number one single in Boston for a while. WB: The number one selling single? Great! Was the version that you gave to WBZ a live version or one you recorded in a studio? TR: It was done in a studio with Bruce Langhorne playing guitar. It was substantially the same as the one that appeared on the album. It just took a long time to finish that album and I don't know why Elektra gave me permission to release that tape. Maybe they didn't, maybe I just did it, but in the meanwhile, James Taylor and Jackson Browne had come out of the woodwork and along with Joni, somehow the three of them were kindred spirits artistically. They were all writing songs that were folky but weren't. Just writing some wonderful stuff. So The Circle Game album was really a special project because it was a discovery for me of three wonderfully talented writers. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Muller > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:08 PM > To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Merk54@aol.com; Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; > joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? > > original > and the recorded version on Hits is not?> > > Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You > Turn Me > On..." is the original.. Joni's original, that is. I for one would say > that Tom > Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the original, but you know > how I am > with Joni covers. > > Bob > > NP: Gomez, "Hamoa Beach" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:00:54 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Re: Happy Easter njc Cat, I never thought of you as such a cynic :~)) And, of course, the Church of JMDL is NEVER as you describe! (Although, of course, we have some way to go before we could claim being able to fight for centuries). Whilst I am at it, I was stopped by a film crew in London last week and asked what I thought Love was. Quick as a flash and before I even thought I said 'Being able to effectively manage conflict.' I don't know when I lost my chocolate boxes and red roses thinking. Too much 'Last Time (seeing) Richard', I suspect Anita x On 25 April 2011 14:00, Catherine McKay wrote: > Whatever religion you end up being sounds similar to mine. We could start a > church but then we'd end up fighting for who would be in charge and we'd start > thinking of ourselves as better than everyone else and then we'd have some kind > of disagreement and split apart and then fight with each other for centuries. > > I suppose people left during the closing hymn so they could get out of the > parking lot in a hurry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:12:19 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of Jericho? On the other hand, given fuzziness of people's memories, combined with evidence that UFG was in Joni's repertoire as early as November, 1965, it may well be that the single really did come out in 1966. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Richard Flynn > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:48 AM > To: 'Bob Muller'; 'Susan Tierney McNamara'; Merk54@aol.com; > Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of > Jericho? > > I've seen that 1966 date for the single of UFG in discographies, but are > we > sure about that? The single version on the reissue of TR's album _The > Circle > Game_ lists it as 1968. The liner notes say he met Joni in Detroit "late > in > 1966" and that it was "several months after he passed as tape of his > version > to the massively influential Boston radio station, WBZ. > > Joni recalls in this 1968 interview > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 > > that she had "just written it" when she performed it on "Let's Sing Out" > October 24, 1966 and that Dave Van Ronk asked for it, even as he & > Patrick > Sky made a bunch of sexist jokes on the set. > > Tom Rush took the song after that, tried to shop it to Judy Collins, and > then recorded himself, sent the tape to the radio station where it > received > a lot of airplay. When Elektra eventually released the single version, > it > didn't go anywhere. > > Seems like a lot to transpire between October and the end of 1966, if > Rush's > UFG was truly released as a single that year. It does seem likely that > Rush > could have recorded it that year. > > In his interview with Wally Breese, > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1366 > Tom Rush recalled that the single (based on the WBZ recording) came out > about the same time as the album: > > WB: In November of '66, Joni was on a radio show and she said that you'd > already recorded "The Circle Game," but the album that contains the song > didn't make the charts until April of '68, so I'm wondering was there a > different single version that was out earlier? > > TR: It was a very odd thing. I first recorded "Urge for Going," > actually. It > was on a tape that I gave to my buddies at WBZ in Boston, I had some > friends > there. Access was so easy in those days. I had a show at WHRB and my > friends > Jefferson Kay and Dick Summer had shows on WBZ and I kind of thought we > were > on a par. I didn't know at that time what "50,000 watt clear channel" > meant, > but they had the most powerful signal allowable by law on a frequency > that > nobody else occupied and these guys got mail from New Zealand sometimes > when > the ionosphere was right. I still get people from Ohio who come up to me > and > say, "When me and the Mrs. was courtin', we'd go up on the bluff on > Sunday > night where we could get WBZ." They had a huge listenership. So I gave a > tape of "Urge for Going" to Jefferson Kay, he played it and it became > the > most requested song on the station. It was very, very popular. I think > partly because the only way you could hear it was to call up and ask for > it. > This was before cassette recorders were common. Reel to reel tape > recorders > were pretty exotic. Not too many people had them. So if you wanted to > hear > this song you had to call up and request it. When it finally did come > out on > disc as a single, I think the single came out about the same time as the > album, but my recollection may be flawed. But when it finally did come > out, > none of the other stations in Boston would touch it. > > WB: Because it had the WBZ stamp on it. > > TR: Exactly. It was owned by WBZ and it was still the number one single > in > Boston for a while. > > WB: The number one selling single? Great! Was the version that you gave > to > WBZ a live version or one you recorded in a studio? > > TR: It was done in a studio with Bruce Langhorne playing guitar. It was > substantially the same as the one that appeared on the album. It just > took a > long time to finish that album and I don't know why Elektra gave me > permission to release that tape. Maybe they didn't, maybe I just did it, > but > in the meanwhile, James Taylor and Jackson Browne had come out of the > woodwork and along with Joni, somehow the three of them were kindred > spirits > artistically. They were all writing songs that were folky but weren't. > Just > writing some wonderful stuff. So The Circle Game album was really a > special > project because it was a discovery for me of three wonderfully talented > writers. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Bob > > Muller > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:08 PM > > To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Merk54@aol.com; Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; > > joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? > > > > > original > > and the recorded version on Hits is not?> > > > > Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You > > Turn Me > > On..." is the original.. Joni's original, that is. I for one would say > > that Tom > > Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the original, but you know > > how I am > > with Joni covers. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Gomez, "Hamoa Beach" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? > Do y'all mean that 'Chair In The Sky' wouldn't be on the AI list? Hm ... I think not, although Casey might take a stab at doing "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey" -- just think of all the growling he could do! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:06:23 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? How could I have forgotten "Woodstock"?!? (smacking meself upside the head). But of course, most of 'em would probably think Stephen Stills (or one of those guys) wrote that anyway. Ha! But *you're* absolutely corrrect, Mr. Muller--there *are* some Joni songs that would be terrific showcases for the right voices--but that's what the tribute concerts/albums are for, right? No, Anita, I don't think "Chair In the Sky" would work--but perhaps someone could handle "I's a Muggin' ". ;-) Terra, still laughing to myself about "The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down" On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > > Do y'all mean that 'Chair In The Sky' wouldn't be on the AI list? > > Hm ... I think not, although Casey might take a stab at doing "The Wolf > That > Lives In Lindsey" -- just think of all the growling he could do! ; ) > > Lori > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:41:50 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? But you're absolutely corrrect, Mr. Muller--there are some Joni songs that > would be terrific showcases for the right voices--but that's what the > tribute concerts/albums are for, right? And Joni Fests, of course :~)) Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of Jericho? Simon has it documented, so I'd bet a paycheck on it. Hopefully he'll chime in and give the details but I believe it was an advance release of "Sugar Babe" with UFG as the B-side. But I'm relying on a fuzzy memory so I'll yield the floor to our esteemed chronologer (chronologist?). I do recall the 1966 date though. Bob NP: Radiohead, "Lotus Flower" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:05:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Re: Happy Easter njc Anita, I am shocked. I can't believe you didn't say "the last song on Wild Things Run Fast, of course.". Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? Objection your honor - leading the witness! I wouldn't say the "original" is defined by the first STUDIO release but rather by the first official COMMERCIAL release. So the "original" Jericho is the MOA version, Joni's original UFG is the B-side of "You Turn Me On...", etc. Jericho is unusual in that on most live albums, when a performer does their own material, they are doing a live performance of a song they've released previously via a studio recording. Joni of course has never had any trepidation about using a live setting to try out new songs, or even unfinished works-in-progress. Objection sustained. Bob NP: Antje Duvekot - Vertigo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC American Idol - what if there were a Joni Mitchell night? Oh, and I also have to add that "A Case Of You" would surely show up on the songlist. Diana Krall made it a modern-day standard, and covers of it have sprung up like wildflowers. And I have to say that "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" would probably NOT be selected. It has not kept up in terms of having legs as a cover song. But someone like Lauren or Scotty might pick up on it as a country number. Looking ahead to this week (and since we're still on the NJC wavelength), any guesses as to who will do what Carole songs? Mine: Haley - I Feel The Earth Move Scotty - You've Got A Friend Jacob - Way Over Yonder James - Locomotion (ala Grand Funk) Casey - Smackwater Jack Lauren - It's Too Late Bob NP: RLJ, "We Belong Together" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? I've always found it odd that having released Jericho on a major live release, she then released a studio version. Odd in a good way, but still .... Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:16:08 -0700 From: Subject: Re: NJC Listen A New Young Songwriter Oh my goodness. I agree with Lieve and Mags - this is some of the most beautiful music I've heard in awhile. Pretty + jazz + original is where I am at these days. Thanks to David and Paul for sharing this with us. Paul, if there were an award here for the most consistently un-erring ear for fantastic music, you would win hands down. I think you are already in our "Hall of Fame" for that ;-) Thank you so much! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Joni mention on Nurse Jackie I've been watching older episodes of Nurse Jackie. In season 2, episode 6, Jackie, played by Edie Falco, is in the living room with her husband and asks him "Do you know where my Joni Mitchell albums are?" A few articles on the Joni site say that Edie is a huge Joni fan. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #122 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------