From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #117 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 21 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 117 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Original version of Jericho? [Vincenzo Mancini ] NJC one more computer question [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Original version of Jericho? ["Mark" ] Original version of Jericho? [Vincenzo ] Re: NJC one more computer question [T Peckham ] Re: NJC one more computer question [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Re: NJC one more computer question [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: NJC one more computer question ["ron g" ] NJC Nice review of the new PHJB CD [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:55:27 +0100 (BST) From: Vincenzo Mancini Subject: Original version of Jericho? I do agree with Bob in that even if the DJRD is not self-evidently the original one (if this means the first one), it owns -to my ears- the character of a song of its own, to the point that I would also tend to consider it as a different song with respect to the MOA version, also because the latter, just as "Love or money", had a sort of an embryonic form, maybe also due to the dimming into the LA Express wall-of-sound-arrangements... (not that I displease the latter ones, I could hypnotize myself with a loop of the vocals at the end of YTMOIAAR) Is it the roaring of the bass, the neatness of the guitar and the drums, the voice which echoes the bass melody or vice versa? I don't know... just my two cents Vincenzo May your skies be blue Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? ... As for Jericho, I think it would be tough to argue that the 1977 studio version would be considered the "original". She released it on MOA, then performed it on all of her 1976 shows. By the time she released the studio version on DJRD it was sort of the 'final' version. I will also add that the DJRD version is my favorite. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:38:33 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: NJC one more computer question I seriously hesitated about sending one more computer related question to this list, rather than just addressing those individuals who had already sent me such good advice. I hope I made the right decision to do it this way, because after all we are all using computers, so if this advice benefits some of us then it also benefits our Joni- interest, or so I hope! OK here goes. What to do with the regular messages we get to install new sofware updates from programs such as Adobe Flash Player and Java? I normally obey with Adobe and take their updates, and nothing seems to go wrong. But I have no idea why I would need Java updates, I don't even know why I have Java to begin with and what I would use it for, so every day, even several times each day, I have to close Java update reminders that keep pestering me. Does anyone know if this could be a cause of my computer slowness, and what is the best way to deal with it? Again, many thanks in advance. Lieve in London - ----- Original Message ---- From: Lieve Reckers To: ron g ; Michael quebec ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 19 April, 2011 10:04:24 Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Thanks Ron, and Marian, Anne, Catherine, Jerry, Hell and everybody else who has sent advice. I hope it has helped Michael, the original "asker", as much as it has me. Ron, I recognise the issues you mention, but strangely enough I opted for Avast freeware (after having run Norton or Mc Afee for many years) over AVG because I read in one review that it was lighter to run! Also, as you say much depends on when they do their scanning, and I have the feeling that Avast is scanning all the flipping time! In the end I have come to the conclusion that what works on one computer, just does not work on another, because of the configuration of everything else that is there, and that this is much more typical for Windows than for Apple or Linux (which I have on a small netbook that I use to travel). So I think I will have to take the medicine you prescribe and do exactly as you say in your last paragraph. Or I may ask my eldest son to do it for me as an alternative birthday present! Lieve in London PS So good to have lured so many good names out of lurkdom with this topic! That's a fantastic result! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:52:02 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? I would call the DJRD version the finished version. It's polished and refined. And I agree that the choice of musicians and instrumentation on the studio version give the song a fleshed-out yet fresh sound that fits in nicely with the rest of DJRD. I always wondered what took her so long to put 'Jericho' on a a studio album and whatever happened to 'For Love or Money'. Is there a studio track of that song somewhere in the Joni archives? Was it not deemed worthy of a finished, studio treatment or she did she never find the proper slot for it in one of her albums? At least we have an 'official' live release of the song. And I agree with Vincenzo about those vocals at the end of 'You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio)' on MOA. Pure magic that you can easily get lost in. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Vincenzo Mancini Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:55 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Original version of Jericho? I do agree with Bob in that even if the DJRD is not self-evidently the original one (if this means the first one), it owns -to my ears- the character of a song of its own, to the point that I would also tend to consider it as a different song with respect to the MOA version, also because the latter, just as "Love or money", had a sort of an embryonic form, maybe also due to the dimming into the LA Express wall-of-sound-arrangements... (not that I displease the latter ones, I could hypnotize myself with a loop of the vocals at the end of YTMOIAAR) Is it the roaring of the bass, the neatness of the guitar and the drums, the voice which echoes the bass melody or vice versa? I don't know... just my two cents Vincenzo May your skies be blue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:45:55 +0200 From: Vincenzo Subject: Original version of Jericho? I seem to recall having read about recording the album and how it derived from collecting material in order to fulfil a contract, which could explain why the song had been "covered" in DJRD and yet not unveil the reason why it had been selected in spite of "Love or money"... Yet, then why not one of the many unreleased songs? Why not a new one? Besides, I seem to recall also that the late Pastorius said that those were days of some "confusion" (the recklessness of the album?) because of "acid, booze and..." or some other "opening mind promoter" and that he had to "pick up the pieces"... I'm sure that checking the archives on the JM site we could find some more precise information... Vincenzo Le 20/apr/2011 C 14:52, "Mark" a C)crit : > I would call the DJRD version the finished version. It's polished and refined. And I agree that the choice of musicians and instrumentation on the studio version give the song a fleshed-out yet fresh sound that fits in nicely with the rest of DJRD. > I always wondered what took her so long to put 'Jericho' on a a studio album and whatever happened to 'For Love or Money'. Is there a studio track of that song somewhere in the Joni archives? Was it not deemed worthy of a finished, studio treatment or she did she never find the proper slot for it in one of her albums? > At least we have an 'official' live release of the song. And I agree with Vincenzo about those vocals at the end of 'You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio)' on MOA. Pure magic that you can easily get lost in. > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:38:53 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: NJC one more computer question Hi Lieve, I am by no means an expert, but as I said earlier, I have a good friend who is. I have to check w/him again, but he recommended a program called "javara." Here is a link I found to a comp. expert forum I've used before which discusses the update problem. http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/java-alternative/183248.html VERY basically, think of Java as a language of sorts that was developed for use by those who design/write applications or applets (apps, as we're all now supposed to say) that is still in use on a lot of websites. (In other words, there are some websites you can't access properly without having Java installed.) From what little I've read, it's long been considered a big security risk and it also likes to update itself regularly without uninstalling its older versions, so it can take up tons of space and slow everything down. JavaRa is a small program that streamlines the process of updating and cleaning out the old Java files. The Q & Q in the link discusses all this. I'm going to check w/my own expert again to see if he still recommends JavaRa. Those who are more knowledgeable than I are WELCOME to correct me if I've got any of this wrong! :-) Terra P.S. Adobe is whole 'nother story. I currently have only what I absolutely have to have by Adobe, which is Adobe Flash, and it makes me nervous everytime I update it! On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > I seriously hesitated about sending one more computer related question to > this > list, rather than just addressing those individuals who had already sent me > such > good advice. I hope I made the right decision to do it this way, because > after > all we are all using computers, so if this advice benefits some of us then > it > also benefits our Joni- interest, or so I hope! > > OK here goes. What to do with the regular messages we get to install new > sofware updates from programs such as Adobe Flash Player and Java? I > normally > obey with Adobe and take their updates, and nothing seems to go wrong. But > I > have no idea why I would need Java updates, I don't even know why I have > Java to > begin with and what I would use it for, so every day, even several times > each > day, I have to close Java update reminders that keep pestering me. Does > anyone > know if this could be a cause of my computer slowness, and what is the best > way > to deal with it? > > Again, many thanks in advance. > Lieve in London > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lieve Reckers > To: ron g ; Michael quebec ; > joni@smoe.org > Sent: Tue, 19 April, 2011 10:04:24 > Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? > > Thanks Ron, and Marian, Anne, Catherine, Jerry, Hell and everybody else who > has > sent advice. > > I hope it has helped Michael, the original "asker", as much as it has me. > > Ron, I recognise the issues you mention, but strangely enough I opted for > Avast > freeware (after having run Norton or Mc Afee for many years) over AVG > because I > read in one review that it was lighter to run! Also, as you say much > depends on > > when they do their scanning, and I have the feeling that Avast is scanning > all > the flipping time! In the end I have come to the conclusion that what > works on > one computer, just does not work on another, because of the configuration > of > everything else that is there, and that this is much more typical for > Windows > than for Apple or Linux (which I have on a small netbook that I use to > travel). > > So I think I will have to take the medicine you prescribe and do exactly as > you > say in your last paragraph. Or I may ask my eldest son to do it for me as > an > alternative birthday present! > Lieve in London > > PS So good to have lured so many good names out of lurkdom with this topic! > That's a fantastic result! > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:00:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: NJC one more computer question Well, this points out a problem I have with the world as run by engineers. Yes, you have Java (a computer language) on your machine. You probably have some applications that rely on it - but you might not. You should do the updates. (But IMHO, you should never have to worry about such things. If cars required the amount of do-it-yourself maintenance that computers do, we'd all walk!) Here's a pretty good article if you're interested: http://www.boute ll.com/newfaq/browser/updatejava.html lots of love, Anne On Apr 20, 2011, Lieve Reckers wrote: I seriously hesitated about sending one more computer related question to this list, rather than just addressing those individuals who had already sent me such good advice. I hope I made the right decision to do it this way, because after all we are all using computers, so if this advice benefits some of us then it also benefits our Joni- interest, or so I hope! OK here goes. What to do with the regular messages we get to install new sofware updates from programs such as Adobe Flash Player and Java? I normally obey with Adobe and take their updates, and nothing seems to go wrong. But I have no idea why I would need Java updates, I don't even know why I have Java to begin with and what I would use it for, so every day, even several times each day, I have to close Java update reminders that keep pestering me. Does anyone know if this could be a cause of my computer slowness, and what is the best way to deal with it? Again, many thanks in advance. Lieve in London ----- Original Message ---- From: Lieve Reckers To: ron g ; Michael quebec ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 19 April, 2011 10:04:24 Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Thanks Ron, and Marian, Anne, Catherine, Jerry, Hell and everybody else who has sent advice. I hope it has helped Michael, the original "asker", as much as it has me. Ron, I recognise the issues you mention, but strangely enough I opted for Avast freeware (after having run Norton or Mc Afee for many years) over AVG because I read in one review that it was lighter to run! Also, as you say much depends on when they do their scanning, and I have the feeling that Avast is scanning all the flipping time! In the end I have come to the conclusion that what works on one computer, just does not work on another, because of the configuration of everything else that is there, and that this is much more typical for Windows than for Apple or Linux (which I have on a small netbook that I use to travel). So I think I will have to take the medicine you prescribe and do exactly as you say in your last paragraph. Or I may ask my eldest son to do it for me as an alternative birthday present! Lieve in London PS So good to have lured so many good names out of lurkdom with this topic! That's a fantastic result! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:49:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Re: NJC one more computer question I don't know anything about JavaRa. At work, we do Java updates regularly. And we're really security conscious. You might or might not actually need the Java JRE (a small portion of Java that your computer might use, or might not.) As for Adobe, I used to work for them. I've been in on a bunch of security meetings. I might find fault with them for other things, but security is not one of them. Go ahead and do the updates. In fact, you're better off if you do. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:27:50 -0400 From: Jim Subject: Cleaning up a PC, njc I've been running Defrag on a weekly schedule. I bought CCleaner but it's not on a schedule. It just took 42 seconds to clear away (delete) more than 300 megabytes (MB) of temporary Internet files and by emptying the Recycle Bins. I try to use Mozilla's FoxFire (it's free) in place of Microsoft's Internet Explorer under the theory that it's slightly safer than IE. I run Malwarebyte's "Anti-Malware" about twice per year. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:57:43 +0200 From: "ron g" Subject: Re: NJC one more computer question depends on the program updating there are some of these programs which are fairly essential to run your computer. this would include java and adobe flash. installing these updates are in my experience pretty much essential. if however you are getting messages to update all sorts of other non essential programs then you should look at removing those programs. you can also look at using some alternatives to the normal default software: instead of using adobe pdf reader use foxit instead of using window media player use vlc media player instead of using internet explorer or moxilla firefox use google chrome these are all more streamlined & quicker, less prone to hacking, and in the case of vlc player will play way more media file types than windows media. they will all also remind you about updates regularly. when installing these, and any other programs, watch out for the optional installations such as task bars etc. these are normally sponsored packages which will spend more time reporting your onlines habits to some advertiser than doing anything for your comnputer. rgds ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lieve Reckers" To: "ron g" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: NJC one more computer question >I seriously hesitated about sending one more computer related question to >this > list, rather than just addressing those individuals who had already sent > me such > good advice. I hope I made the right decision to do it this way, because > after > all we are all using computers, so if this advice benefits some of us then > it > also benefits our Joni- interest, or so I hope! > > OK here goes. What to do with the regular messages we get to install new > sofware updates from programs such as Adobe Flash Player and Java? I > normally > obey with Adobe and take their updates, and nothing seems to go wrong. > But I > have no idea why I would need Java updates, I don't even know why I have > Java to > begin with and what I would use it for, so every day, even several times > each > day, I have to close Java update reminders that keep pestering me. Does > anyone > know if this could be a cause of my computer slowness, and what is the > best way > to deal with it? > > Again, many thanks in advance. > Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Nice review of the new PHJB CD Mikey and all, Thought you might like to see this review, they feature it and give it 8/10 stars. http://tinyurl.com/3es6rdf Maybe it would be a great time to bring the band to Beijing. Bob NP: Elephant Revival - "Barefoot Friend" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #117 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------