From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #116 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 20 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 116 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njC computer virus software =?UTF-8?Q?=3F?= ["Marian" ] Jericho Video and k.d. lang mentions Joni [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: njC computer virus software ? [Lc Stanley ] Re: njC computer virus software ? [Lc Stanley ] Re: njC computer virus software ? [Nikki Johnson ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #107 [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Original version of Jericho? [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Hejira SHM-My thoughts [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Original version of Jericho? [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 00:07:03 -0700 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: njC computer virus software =?UTF-8?Q?=3F?= At work, all computers have McAffee. At home, Norton is installed on all the home computers. Both McAffee and Norton are very reliable and provide continual virus signature updates. I think Norton is reasonably priced and it must be cheaper than McAffee or my husband would have bought McAffee instead! It is really important to have good anti-virus software that provides continual virus signature updates, because new viruses are being created all the time and you can get viruses even from browsing to an infected website. Good luck! Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:04:24 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Thanks Ron, and Marian, Anne, Catherine, Jerry, Hell and everybody else who has sent advice. I hope it has helped Michael, the original "asker", as much as it has me. Ron, I recognise the issues you mention, but strangely enough I opted for Avast freeware (after having run Norton or Mc Afee for many years) over AVG because I read in one review that it was lighter to run! Also, as you say much depends on when they do their scanning, and I have the feeling that Avast is scanning all the flipping time! In the end I have come to the conclusion that what works on one computer, just does not work on another, because of the configuration of everything else that is there, and that this is much more typical for Windows than for Apple or Linux (which I have on a small netbook that I use to travel). So I think I will have to take the medicine you prescribe and do exactly as you say in your last paragraph. Or I may ask my eldest son to do it for me as an alternative birthday present! Lieve in London PS So good to have lured so many good names out of lurkdom with this topic! That's a fantastic result! - ----- Original Message ---- From: ron g To: Michael quebec ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 19 April, 2011 5:33:43 Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? free anti-virus software is generally pretty good these days i use avast which seems to work well. avg is pretty good too. you can get them at download.com i generally stay away from norton & mcafee as they are resource intensive and may well affect your computer worse than a virus.... do bear in mind that an antivirus program running a scan will slow your computer down drastically, but is just temporary & will be good for it. to keep your machine running well try & avoid installing junk on it - all these funny "free" widgets & accessories just slow it down. be extremely careful about clicking on adverts, installing taskbars, etc. & one of the best bits of advice i can give is to reformat & reinstall regularly. keep your install files & drivers on a separate disc have your hard drive set up into 2 sections (or use 2 actual hard drives) - one with your operating system, one with your data. once a year reformat your operating system disc & reinstall from scratch you'll be amazed at the difference it makes... ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael quebec" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:01 AM Subject: njC computer virus software ? > I know this has been discussed on the list before, so sorry for bringing it up > again, but I have some computer woes. Slow slogging and unreliable service > with the free protection software offered by my service provider, stalled > computer, etc, etc. > > I wonder if it is worth buying a security protection software package from > Norton or McAffee, for example, or are there reliable free services > downloadable from the web ? > > If the latter is the case, which would you recommend ? > > Many thanks from Michael in Quebec, > semi-computer literate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:22:34 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? No need to purchase any protection programs, Norton, McAfee, or otherwise. All the freeware mentioned is *perfectly safe* and has been around for a long time. You can never just "set it and forget (any of) it" for longer than, say, 6 months to a year, unfortunately. I've used both Avast and *Avira Antivir*. I've had less compatibility problems w/*Avira* (which I'm currently using), but others' mileage may differ. I also use *Malwarebytes' AntiMalware*, which (in the free version) does not update itself automatically, but it's one click and a few seconds to update it. It offers a short scan and a longer scan--and my PC ALWAYS comes up clean. I use * EasyCleaner* every night to delete temp files, clear cookies, and history. (It also identifies unnecessary files in the registry and performs other functions, and it's completely safe and reversible.) I've been using * CCleane*r (formerly more colorfully named "CrapCleaner") for years. It does essentially the same thing as EasyCleaner, but always seems to come up with a few things--particularly unnecessary files left behind when one uninstalls programs, for instance--in addition. Another thing I've found that can slow things down is if your firewall conflicts with some of these programs. If you're connected to the 'Net thru a secured router (I believe--PLS. CORRECT ME if I'm wrong!), you don't need Microsoft's built-in firewall (altho it will regularly pop up like an old nanny to tell you it's "disconnected and your computer may be at risk". Just give it a good smacking and click "Go Away.") ;-) I get my advice and updates from a good friend who is a retired industry pro who spends much of his time online staying obsessively up-to-date on all things freeware. All the programs I mentioned are available for free download at *www.majorgeeks.com*. (Last time I checked, at least). As for Macs: after years of listening to my friends telling me how much more intuitive and user-friendly they are and thus, how likely much better suited to the likes of me they are, I've finally begun telling them to co-sign a goddamned loan for me to get one or shut the hell up. ESPECIALLY if I find a (finally!) affordable ancient G-Mac or somesuch on craigslist and ask their opinion, and they laugh and tell me how hopelessly outdated those are. (rolls eyes) Best of luck, anyway! Too old to be so poor, Terra On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Thanks Ron, and Marian, Anne, Catherine, Jerry, Hell and everybody else who > has > sent advice. > > I hope it has helped Michael, the original "asker", as much as it has me. > > Ron, I recognise the issues you mention, but strangely enough I opted for > Avast > freeware (after having run Norton or Mc Afee for many years) over AVG > because I > read in one review that it was lighter to run! Also, as you say much > depends on > when they do their scanning, and I have the feeling that Avast is scanning > all > the flipping time! In the end I have come to the conclusion that what > works on > one computer, just does not work on another, because of the configuration > of > everything else that is there, and that this is much more typical for > Windows > than for Apple or Linux (which I have on a small netbook that I use to > travel). > > So I think I will have to take the medicine you prescribe and do exactly as > you > say in your last paragraph. Or I may ask my eldest son to do it for me as > an > alternative birthday present! > Lieve in London > > PS So good to have lured so many good names out of lurkdom with this topic! > That's a fantastic result! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: ron g > To: Michael quebec ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Tue, 19 April, 2011 5:33:43 > Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? > > free anti-virus software is generally pretty good these days > > i use avast which seems to work well. avg is pretty good too. you can get > them > at download.com > > i generally stay away from norton & mcafee as they are resource intensive > and > may well affect your computer worse than a virus.... > > do bear in mind that an antivirus program running a scan will slow your > computer > down drastically, but is just temporary & will be good for it. > > to keep your machine running well try & avoid installing junk on it - all > these > funny "free" widgets & accessories just slow it down. be extremely careful > about > clicking on adverts, installing taskbars, etc. > > & one of the best bits of advice i can give is to reformat & reinstall > regularly. > keep your install files & drivers on a separate disc > have your hard drive set up into 2 sections (or use 2 actual hard drives) - > one > with your operating system, one with your data. > once a year reformat your operating system disc & reinstall from scratch > you'll be amazed at the difference it makes... > > ron > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael quebec" < > michael_quebec@hotmail.com> > To: > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:01 AM > Subject: njC computer virus software ? > > > > I know this has been discussed on the list before, so sorry for bringing > it up > > again, but I have some computer woes. Slow slogging and unreliable > service > > with the free protection software offered by my service provider, stalled > > computer, etc, etc. > > > > I wonder if it is worth buying a security protection software package > from > > Norton or McAffee, for example, or are there reliable free services > > downloadable from the web ? > > > > If the latter is the case, which would you recommend ? > > > > Many thanks from Michael in Quebec, > > semi-computer literate > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:03:07 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Jericho Video and k.d. lang mentions Joni Stewart, Thanks for sharing this video. I also love K.D. Lang's voice. Nice way to start the morning! Laura http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot1y46-M7Uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Bob wrote: "The key to any successful anti-virus is keeping it updated." Hi Bob, I'm lazy about this so I have the cheapest AOL plan ($4.99/mo) because it keeps the antivirus, firewall, and spy ware current and running on my PCs without me having to download updates for each computer. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Ron wrote: "to keep your machine running well try & avoid installing junk on it - all these funny "free" widgets & accessories just slow it down. be extremely careful about clicking on adverts, installing taskbars, etc." Hi Ron, Definitely. And let me add, defragment on a regular basis. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: ron g To: Michael quebec ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:33:43 PM Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? free anti-virus software is generally pretty good these days i use avast which seems to work well. avg is pretty good too. you can get them at download.com i generally stay away from norton & mcafee as they are resource intensive and may well affect your computer worse than a virus.... do bear in mind that an antivirus program running a scan will slow your computer down drastically, but is just temporary & will be good for it. to keep your machine running well try & avoid installing junk on it - all these funny "free" widgets & accessories just slow it down. be extremely careful about clicking on adverts, installing taskbars, etc. & one of the best bits of advice i can give is to reformat & reinstall regularly. keep your install files & drivers on a separate disc have your hard drive set up into 2 sections (or use 2 actual hard drives) - one with your operating system, one with your data. once a year reformat your operating system disc & reinstall from scratch you'll be amazed at the difference it makes... ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael quebec" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:01 AM Subject: njC computer virus software ? > I know this has been discussed on the list before, so sorry for bringing it up > again, but I have some computer woes. Slow slogging and unreliable service > with the free protection software offered by my service provider, stalled > computer, etc, etc. > > I wonder if it is worth buying a security protection software package from > Norton or McAffee, for example, or are there reliable free services > downloadable from the web ? > > If the latter is the case, which would you recommend ? > > Many thanks from Michael in Quebec, > semi-computer literate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Johnson Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Hi all, I would definately NOT recomend Norton or McAfee. They are some of the biggest names in anti-virus, and also the first ones that hackers go for. Many viruses are written to disable these anti-virus programs. Also, they will slow up your computer. There are many smaller ones that do great job, if not better than these, Avast, Vipre and Kopranski (sp?). They are all pretty cheap for a year subscription. Somewhere around $30-$40. It sounds like you both are suffering from extra spyware or garbage on your computer. You could download and run Maleware Bytes. That usually clears a lot of it up. You run the free version and it should catch a lot of stuff. Hope this helps, Nikki Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength To Love, 1963. From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:49 AM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #115 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:41:41 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Hi Michael, I don't think I can give you much advice, but this message is more to say I have similar problems, so maybe this can help to broaden your question and solicit more advice. I too have a PC that regularly slows down and freezes (messages like "delivery manager not responding" will come up) and all I can do is reboot and then usually things are a bit better again. I am told regularly by my sons that I should go back to factory settings and get rid of everything else I have ever installed on my computer, but that would make me lose so many programs that I know I need (but can't remember when and how!) that it would cause too many problems. I used to have Norton or McAffee (can't remember which) but for the last few years I've had free programmes that I downloaded from the web, at the moment that is Online Armor for the firewall and Avast antivirus. They came highly recommended and should work fine, but all I can say is that I keep getting stuck or frozen, and have no alternative but to switch the damn computer off and restart. In fact, one computer expert (who came to repair my son's computer!) I spoke with told me that this is typical for Windows, and that I should seriously consider alternatives to Microsoft. But again, that's more than I can get my head around to, so I just struggle on... I hope this may just put some context to your problems and possible solutions. In any case, I hope you find a solution and if that turns out to be of help to me and others too, then so much the better! Lieve in London PS I know one of the worst problem causes is if you happen to have 2 antivirus systems installed, so if you download or buy a new one, make sure the free one provided by your service provider is disabled! - - ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael quebec To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 1:01:29 Subject: njC computer virus software ? I know this has been discussed on the list before, so sorry for bringing it up again, but I have some computer woes. Slow slogging and unreliable service with the free protection software offered by my service provider, stalled computer, etc, etc. I wonder if it is worth buying a security protection software package from Norton or McAffee, for example, or are there reliable free services downloadable from the web ? If the latter is the case, which would you recommend ? Many thanks from Michael in Quebec, semi-computer literate - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? Hi Ya'll, You might consider getting an Apple computer. Apples use a UNIX operating system that doesn't get PC viruses. They are very fast and very user friendly. You don't have to worry about installing and waiting for anti-virus software, spy ware, firewalls, etc. to run when you turn on your computer. Apples work immediately. I have both Apples and PCs since a lot of my work has to be done via computer. I use my Apple computers for anything online. I use my PCs for working offline with programs that haven't been written for Apples yet. When I'm ready to send something over the Internet, I use my flash drive to take it from the PC to the Apple for emailing. This way my PCs stay free from viruses... I only very rarely use them online. I have AOL's anti-viral programs for my PCs that cost $4.99 per month, and I never have to worry about updating anti-viral software myself because it is done automatically by AOL. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: njC computer virus software ? > Nikki wrote: > > It sounds like you both > are suffering from extra spyware or garbage on your > computer. You could > download and run Maleware Bytes. That usually clears a lot > of it up. You run > the free version and it should catch a lot of stuff. > and now moi: Nikki, thanks for the tip about Malware bytes..just d/l it and ran it and things have sped up a lot! Nice to see you posting. Hope all is well in your world. love, Mags ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #107 KD does a wonderful version of Jericho, but in my opinion nothing beats the original! In a message dated 4/19/2011 3:05:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot1y46-M7Uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:33:28 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Original version of Jericho? Just wondering what everyone considers the "original" version of this song? Normally, a studio version will come out, possibly followed by a live version. In that case the original version is pretty obvious. In this case, the live MOA version came out and later was followed up by the studio version on DJRD. So is the MOA or the DJRD version the "original". IMO, the MOA version would be the original. Jack In a message dated 4/19/2011 5:12:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Warrenkeith91354@aol.com writes: KD does a wonderful version of Jericho, but in my opinion nothing beats the original! In a message dated 4/19/2011 3:05:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot1y46-M7Uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:50:58 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira SHM-My thoughts I had just gotten my annual bonus when Jerry sent out his email alerting everyone to these releases, so I went big and ordered 7 of these - Blue, For The Roses, C&S, Hissing, Hejira, DJRD, and Mingus. They were shipped on the 17th and I received them all on the 18th. Amazing! I haven't had time to check any of them out as I spent the night dealing with a broken water pipe. Fortunately the leak resulted in a major mess, but no major damage. Anyway, I will try and check some of these out tonight and get back with my thoughts. Based on Mark's review, I'm pretty excited to listen to these. While the tone of the review wasn't overly enthusiastic, the descriptions sure sounded promising (Joni's vocals ... really soar during Refuge of the Roads, percussion is noticeably more in-the-mix throughout the album, Jaco's bass seems a little cleaner, Joni's guitar parts are also clearer, Black Crow seems a real standout). Based on these descriptions, I can't wait to hear these releases. Looking forward to "dry" night of listening to some of my favorite music. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? Hey Jack, and sorry to hear about the broken pipes. I've left my wife to contend with whatever happens housewise while I'm in China through July so I do have a bit of trepidation about something happening, but at the same time I know we have GREAT neighbors who will help as needed. As for Jericho, I think it would be tough to argue that the 1977 studio version would be considered the "original". She released it on MOA, then performed it on all of her 1976 shows. By the time she released the studio version on DJRD it was sort of the 'final' version. I will also add that the DJRD version is my favorite. Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #116 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------