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JMDL Digest        Wednesday, April 13 2011        Volume 2011 : Number 109



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)  [Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@ya]
  RE: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)  [Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@c]
  RE: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)  [Susan Tierney McNamara]
  Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)  [Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@ya]
  Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)  [Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@ya]
  Re: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)  [Paul Castle <paulcastl]
  RE: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)  [Susan Tierney McNamara]
  Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)  [LC Stanley <sillyseabird7@yaho]
  Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)  ["Mark" <mark.travis@frontier.c]

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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:05:39 +0100 (BST)
From: Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

Here here! I couldn't agree more! 
It must be so annoying to an artist like
Dylan, with such a long and varied 
career, when some people think they know
and own you, and start quoting your old 
lyrics against you when you don't do
what they expect.  In fact I thought 
Maureen Dowd's article was pointless,
because from her own quotes from David 
Hadju's book, she seems to know that
Dylan has his own agenda.

I did think that the Donovan episode was extremely
interesting (I saw both the 
interview with Pennebaker and then the youtube
extract of Donovan and Dylan 
singing - ouch!)  Very embarrassing, but not in
a cruel way.  People were 
actually quite tolerant and polite about Donovan's
childish song.  The contrast 
with Dylan's song spoke for itself and was
deserved, I thought.  And as the 
interviewer - and also a commentator on
youtube - pointed out, Donovan was still 
a teenager at that point, and did
make some decent songs later on.
Amazing historical footage.
Lieve in London
PS Again many thanks to Paul Castle for continuing to come up with so many
goodies!



________________________________
From: Bob Muller
<scjoniguy@yahoo.com>
To: Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>; Paul
Castle 
<paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org" <joni@smoe.org>
Sent: Tue,
12 April, 2011 0:54:34
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)
<Speaking of Dylan ... Maureen Dowd didn't have very nice things to say about
him yesterday! Ouch!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10dowd.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines
&emc=tha212>



Maureen Dowd hates everybody. What makes Dylan Dylan is that
he does what HE 
wants to do, not what others want him to do. Whether that
means plugging in at a 

folk fest, recording a couple of albums of Christian
songs, playing in minor 
league ballparks, re-inventing himself and his songs,
playing with his back to 
the audience, etc.

I'm only here a couple weeks but
you don't feel like you're in the midst of some 

repression. The people are
kind and nice, I'm a guest in their country and they 
treat me like it. By the
same token I realize I'm an ambassador for the US and 
try to behave as such.
One of my employees has pictures of Dylan posted in her 
work area.

Bob

NP:
Greg Laswell, "Days Go On"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:39:13 -0400
From: Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

Thanks Bob and Lieve,

It reminds me of the interview with the Times Magazine guy from Don't Look
Back.  Wow I bet Maureen Dodd never thought she'd be compared to that guy ...
:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkadZYz3HLk

Take care, Sue

From: Lieve Reckers [mailto:lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:06 AM
To: Bob Muller; Susan Tierney McNamara; Paul Castle; joni@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

Here here! I couldn't agree more!
It must be so annoying to an artist like Dylan, with such a long and varied
career, when some people think they know and own you, and start quoting your
old lyrics against you when you don't do what they expect.  In fact I thought
Maureen Dowd's article was pointless, because from her own quotes from David
Hadju's book, she seems to know that Dylan has his own agenda.

I did think that the Donovan episode was extremely interesting (I saw both the
interview with Pennebaker and then the youtube extract of Donovan and Dylan
singing - ouch!)  Very embarrassing, but not in a cruel way.  People were
actually quite tolerant and polite about Donovan's childish song.  The
contrast with Dylan's song spoke for itself and was deserved, I thought.  And
as the interviewer - and also a commentator on youtube - pointed out, Donovan
was still a teenager at that point, and did make some decent songs later on.
Amazing historical footage.
Lieve in London

PS Again many thanks to Paul Castle for continuing to come up with so many
goodies!

________________________________
From: Bob Muller <scjoniguy@yahoo.com>
To: Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>; Paul Castle
<paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org" <joni@smoe.org>
Sent: Tue, 12 April, 2011 0:54:34
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

<Speaking of Dylan ... Maureen Dowd didn't have very nice things to say about
him yesterday! Ouch!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10dowd.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines
&emc=tha212>


Maureen Dowd hates everybody. What makes Dylan Dylan is that he does what HE
wants to do, not what others want him to do. Whether that means plugging in at
a
folk fest, recording a couple of albums of Christian songs, playing in minor
league ballparks, re-inventing himself and his songs, playing with his back
to
the audience, etc.

I'm only here a couple weeks but you don't feel like you're in the midst of
some
repression. The people are kind and nice, I'm a guest in their country and
they
treat me like it. By the same token I realize I'm an ambassador for the US
and
try to behave as such. One of my employees has pictures of Dylan posted in
her
work area.

Bob

NP: Greg Laswell, "Days Go On"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:57:27 -0400
From: Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)

Dear Paul, 

Holy crap, this concert is amazing.  I just got to downloading it this morning.  Thanks for this fabulous find, Paul.  My brother gave me a Richard Thompson box set for Christmas last year and the man freaks me out.  I have not forgotten that I have a request into the JM database to tab his version of Woodstock from the TNT Tribute.  Now that's a tall order!! (thanks Sam for having faith in me!) :-) 

Thanks, Take care, Sue

PS I saw Shawn in Ithaca last spring and she did not disappoint.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Castle
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:42 AM
To: joni@smoe.org
Subject: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)

Stumbled across this blog post yesterday which
includes a link to download a 1994 Shawn Colvin/
Richard Thompson show at NYC's Bottom Line -

http://bit.ly/f7dIFq

It clips a bit (on the loud tracks) but has some
real gems - love their version of The Band's
'It Makes No Difference' and their improvised
medley at the end of Polaroids (including 'Just
My Imagination', 'My Girl', 'Best Of My Love',
etc etc is great fun!

> Set List:

> It Makes No Difference
> I Can't Wake Up To Save My Life
> Beeswing
> Diamond In The Rough
> Twilight
> Taking My Business Elswhere
> Tear Stained Letter
> Knowing What I Know
> Polaroids - R & B Medley
> Easy There Steady Now
> The Sun Never Shines On The Poor
> Set The Prairie On Fire
> I Misunderstood
> Talk - Wild Mountain Thyme (Tease) - Talk
> 1952 Vincent Black Lightning
> A Heart Needs A Home
> Wall Of Death
> Four Seasons In One Day
> Valerie

best to all
PaulC

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:14:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

OK, well I'll be the devil's advocate then.B  I feel sorry for that guy.B  He
is 
being attacked for what he looks like (a "square") and what he represents
(Time 
magazine).B  He may be intelligent and sensitive, but he's not given a
chance.B  I 
don't like that.
DylanB first totally destroys him, and then
takes offense when the guy asks "Do 
you care about what you're singing?" -
not realising that this was a form of 
self defense, that the guy asked it
because he wanted a bit of respectB for the 
way he doesB his own job...

Oh
the arrogance of youth, especially when you were a counter revolutionary star
in the 60s...
As a total Dylan nut, I still don't like to see this sideB of
him.B  I hope he has 
mellowed with age.
Lieve
________________________________
From: Susan Tierney McNamara
<sem8@cornell.edu>
To: Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk>; Bob Muller
<scjoniguy@yahoo.com>; 
Paul Castle <paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org"
<joni@smoe.org>
Sent: Tue, 12 April, 2011 14:39:13
Subject: RE: Pennebaker on
'Don't Look Back' (njc)


Thanks Bob and Lieve, 
B 
It reminds me of the
interview with the Times Magazine guy from Donbt Look 
Back.B  Wow I bet
Maureen Dodd never thought shebd be compared to that guy b& J
B 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkadZYz3HLk
B 
Take care, Sue
B 
From:Lieve
Reckers [mailto:lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:06
AM
To: Bob Muller; Susan Tierney McNamara; Paul Castle; joni@smoe.org
Subject:
Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)
B 
Here here! I couldn't agree more!
It must be so annoying to an artist like Dylan, with such a long and varied
career, when some people think they know and own you, and start quoting your
old 
lyrics against you when you don't do what they expect.B  In fact I
thought 
Maureen Dowd's article was pointless, because from her own quotes
from David 
Hadju's book, she seems to know that Dylan has his own agenda.
B 
I did think that the Donovan episode was extremely interesting (I saw both the
interview with Pennebaker and then the youtube extract of Donovan and Dylan
singing - ouch!)B  Very embarrassing, but not in a cruel way.B  People were
actually quite tolerant and polite about Donovan's childish song.B  The
contrast 
with Dylan's song spoke for itself and was deserved, I thought.B 
And as the 
interviewer - and also a commentator on youtube - pointed out,
Donovan was still 
a teenager at that point, and did make some decent songs
later on.
Amazing historical footage.
Lieve in London
B 
PS Again many thanks
to Paul Castle for continuing to come up with so many 
goodies!
B 
________________________________

From:Bob Muller <scjoniguy@yahoo.com>
To:
Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>; Paul Castle
<paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org" <joni@smoe.org>
Sent: Tue, 12
April, 2011 0:54:34
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)
<Speaking of Dylan ... Maureen Dowd didn't have very nice things to say about
him yesterday! Ouch!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10dowd.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines
&emc=tha212>



Maureen Dowd hates everybody. What makes Dylan Dylan is that
he does what HE 
wants to do, not what others want him to do. Whether that
means plugging in at a 

folk fest, recording a couple of albums of Christian
songs, playing in minor 
league ballparks, re-inventing himself and his songs,
playing with his back to 
the audience, etc.

I'm only here a couple weeks but
you don't feel like you're in the midst of some 

repression. The people are
kind and nice, I'm a guest in their country and they 
treat me like it. By the
same token I realize I'm an ambassador for the US and 
try to behave as such.
One of my employees has pictures of Dylan posted in her 
work area.

Bob

NP:
Greg Laswell, "Days Go On"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:24:07 +0100 (BST)
From: Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

Hoping it will look better if I re-send this in plain text...
- ---
OK, well I'll be the devil's advocate then.B  I feel sorry for that guy.B  He is 
being attacked for what he looks like (a "square") and what he represents (Time 

magazine).B  He may be intelligent and sensitive, but he's not given a chance.B  I 
don't like that.

DylanB first totally destroys him, and then takes offense when the guy asks "Do 
you care about what you're singing?" - not realising that this was a form of 

self defense, that the guy asked it because he wanted a bit of respectB for the 
way he doesB his own job...

Oh the arrogance of youth, especially when you were a counter-revolutionary star 
in the 60s...
As a total Dylan nut, I still don't like to see this sideB of him.B  I hope he has 
mellowed with age.
Lieve




________________________________
From: Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>
To: Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk>; Bob Muller <scjoniguy@yahoo.com>; 
Paul Castle <paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org" <joni@smoe.org>
Sent: Tue, 12 April, 2011 14:39:13
Subject: RE: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)


Thanks Bob and Lieve, 
B 
It reminds me of the interview with the Times Magazine guy from Donbt Look 
Back.B  Wow I bet Maureen Dodd never thought shebd be compared to that guy b& J
B 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkadZYz3HLk
B 
Take care, Sue
B 
From:Lieve Reckers [mailto:lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:06 AM
To: Bob Muller; Susan Tierney McNamara; Paul Castle; joni@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)
B 
Here here! I couldn't agree more! 
It must be so annoying to an artist like Dylan, with such a long and varied 
career, when some people think they know and own you, and start quoting your old 

lyrics against you when you don't do what they expect.B  In fact I thought 
Maureen Dowd's article was pointless, because from her own quotes from David 
Hadju's book, she seems to know that Dylan has his own agenda.
B 
I did think that the Donovan episode was extremely interesting (I saw both the 
interview with Pennebaker and then the youtube extract of Donovan and Dylan 
singing - ouch!)B  Very embarrassing, but not in a cruel way.B  People were 
actually quite tolerant and polite about Donovan's childish song.B  The contrast 
with Dylan's song spoke for itself and was deserved, I thought.B  And as the 
interviewer - and also a commentator on youtube - pointed out, Donovan was still 

a teenager at that point, and did make some decent songs later on.
Amazing historical footage.
Lieve in London
B 
PS Again many thanks to Paul Castle for continuing to come up with so many 
goodies!
B 

________________________________

From:Bob Muller <scjoniguy@yahoo.com>
To: Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>; Paul Castle 
<paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org" <joni@smoe.org>
Sent: Tue, 12 April, 2011 0:54:34
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

<Speaking of Dylan ... Maureen Dowd didn't have very nice things to say about 
him yesterday! Ouch!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10dowd.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212>




Maureen Dowd hates everybody. What makes Dylan Dylan is that he does what HE 
wants to do, not what others want him to do. Whether that means plugging in at a 


folk fest, recording a couple of albums of Christian songs, playing in minor 
league ballparks, re-inventing himself and his songs, playing with his back to 
the audience, etc.

I'm only here a couple weeks but you don't feel like you're in the midst of some 


repression. The people are kind and nice, I'm a guest in their country and they 
treat me like it. By the same token I realize I'm an ambassador for the US and 
try to behave as such. One of my employees has pictures of Dylan posted in her 
work area.

Bob

NP: Greg Laswell, "Days Go On"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:50:19 +0100
From: Paul Castle <paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>
Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)

Sue Mc wrote:

> I have not forgotten that I have a request into the
> JM database to tab his version of Woodstock from
> the TNT Tribute.  Now that's a tall order!! (thanks
> Sam for having faith in me!) :-)

Here it is for reference, Sue

http://youtu.be/h54rRq2SAv0

I've no idea how you're going to tab up all
his fiddly-bits but....

I reckon he's tuned D75525 - ie DADGAD
- - capo 2 and the I chord is 000200 alternating
between (and bending the 3 of) 000030 - and
the IV chord is mainly 550000 or 550030 - with
550300 thrown in occasionally - ending with -

000200 - -550000 - - - -x3200x - - - - - -
and we've got to get ourselves back to the

000200 --330000 - 55000 - 000200
gar - - - - ar - - - - ar - - - - den

Hope this helps to get you started, Sue

best to all
PaulC

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:51:34 -0400
From: Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)

Excellent!!!  Thanks Paul. I hope to get right on this.  :-)

- -----Original Message-----
From: studio16a@gmail.com [mailto:studio16a@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Castle
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:50 AM
To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc)

Sue Mc wrote:

> I have not forgotten that I have a request into the
> JM database to tab his version of Woodstock from
> the TNT Tribute.  Now that's a tall order!! (thanks
> Sam for having faith in me!) :-)

Here it is for reference, Sue

http://youtu.be/h54rRq2SAv0


I've no idea how you're going to tab up all
his fiddly-bits but....

I reckon he's tuned D75525 - ie DADGAD
- - capo 2 and the I chord is 000200 alternating
between (and bending the 3 of) 000030 - and
the IV chord is mainly 550000 or 550030 - with
550300 thrown in occasionally - ending with -

000200 - -550000 - - - -x3200x - - - - - -
and we've got to get ourselves back to the

000200 --330000 - 55000 - 000200
gar - - - - ar - - - - ar - - - - den

Hope this helps to get you started, Sue

best to all
PaulC

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:57:15 -0500
From: LC Stanley <sillyseabird7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

NPIMH:  Diamonds and Rust



On Apr 12, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> OK, well I'll be the devil's advocate then.B  I feel sorry for that guy.B  He
> is 
> being attacked for what he looks like (a "square") and what he represents
> (Time 
> magazine).B  He may be intelligent and sensitive, but he's not given a
> chance.B  I 
> don't like that.
> DylanB first totally destroys him, and then
> takes offense when the guy asks "Do 
> you care about what you're singing?" -
> not realising that this was a form of 
> self defense, that the guy asked it
> because he wanted a bit of respectB for the 
> way he doesB his own job...
> 
> Oh
> the arrogance of youth, especially when you were a counter revolutionary star
> in the 60s...
> As a total Dylan nut, I still don't like to see this sideB of
> him.B  I hope he has 
> mellowed with age.
> Lieve
> ________________________________
> From: Susan Tierney McNamara
> <sem8@cornell.edu>
> To: Lieve Reckers <lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk>; Bob Muller
> <scjoniguy@yahoo.com>; 
> Paul Castle <paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org"
> <joni@smoe.org>
> Sent: Tue, 12 April, 2011 14:39:13
> Subject: RE: Pennebaker on
> 'Don't Look Back' (njc)
> 
> 
> Thanks Bob and Lieve, 
> B 
> It reminds me of the
> interview with the Times Magazine guy from Donbt Look 
> Back.B  Wow I bet
> Maureen Dodd never thought shebd be compared to that guy b& J
> B 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkadZYz3HLk
> B 
> Take care, Sue
> B 
> From:Lieve
> Reckers [mailto:lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:06
> AM
> To: Bob Muller; Susan Tierney McNamara; Paul Castle; joni@smoe.org
> Subject:
> Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)
> B 
> Here here! I couldn't agree more!
> It must be so annoying to an artist like Dylan, with such a long and varied
> career, when some people think they know and own you, and start quoting your
> old 
> lyrics against you when you don't do what they expect.B  In fact I
> thought 
> Maureen Dowd's article was pointless, because from her own quotes
> from David 
> Hadju's book, she seems to know that Dylan has his own agenda.
> B 
> I did think that the Donovan episode was extremely interesting (I saw both the
> interview with Pennebaker and then the youtube extract of Donovan and Dylan
> singing - ouch!)B  Very embarrassing, but not in a cruel way.B  People were
> actually quite tolerant and polite about Donovan's childish song.B  The
> contrast 
> with Dylan's song spoke for itself and was deserved, I thought.B 
> And as the 
> interviewer - and also a commentator on youtube - pointed out,
> Donovan was still 
> a teenager at that point, and did make some decent songs
> later on.
> Amazing historical footage.
> Lieve in London
> B 
> PS Again many thanks
> to Paul Castle for continuing to come up with so many 
> goodies!
> B 
> ________________________________
> 
> From:Bob Muller <scjoniguy@yahoo.com>
> To:
> Susan Tierney McNamara <sem8@cornell.edu>; Paul Castle
> <paulcastle@pdcmusic.com>; "joni@smoe.org" <joni@smoe.org>
> Sent: Tue, 12
> April, 2011 0:54:34
> Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)
> <Speaking of Dylan ... Maureen Dowd didn't have very nice things to say about
> him yesterday! Ouch!
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10dowd.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines
> &emc=tha212>
> 
> 
> 
> Maureen Dowd hates everybody. What makes Dylan Dylan is that
> he does what HE 
> wants to do, not what others want him to do. Whether that
> means plugging in at a 
> 
> folk fest, recording a couple of albums of Christian
> songs, playing in minor 
> league ballparks, re-inventing himself and his songs,
> playing with his back to 
> the audience, etc.
> 
> I'm only here a couple weeks but
> you don't feel like you're in the midst of some 
> 
> repression. The people are
> kind and nice, I'm a guest in their country and they 
> treat me like it. By the
> same token I realize I'm an ambassador for the US and 
> try to behave as such.
> One of my employees has pictures of Dylan posted in her 
> work area.
> 
> Bob
> 
> NP:
> Greg Laswell, "Days Go On"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:17:52 -0700
From: "Mark" <mark.travis@frontier.com>
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

And from the same album, the song 'Winds of the Old Days':

Singer or savior it was his to choose
Which of us knows what was his to lose.

Mark in Seattle
thinking it's funny how lose doesn't rhyme with chose and loose doesn't 
rhyme with choose.  What an odd animal the English language is.
- -----Original Message----- 
From: LC Stanley
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:57 PM
To: Lieve Reckers
Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara ; Bob Muller ; Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Pennebaker on 'Don't Look Back' (njc)

NPIMH:  Diamonds and Rust

------------------------------

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