From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #106 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 106 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC what's going on?? ["Mark" ] NJC Imagine there's no gov't [] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [Paul Castle ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #98 [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [joe farrell ] NJC what's going on?? [Jim ] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [Dave Blackburn ] Re: NJC Imagine there's no gov't [Mags ] Re: NJC Imagine there's no gov't [] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast ["Mark" ] introduction and a question [Miles Parks Grier ] Re: [Randy Johnson ] Re: [Randy Johnson ] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Imagine there's no gov't NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: introduction and a question [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC what's going on?? [Bob Muller ] NJC RIP Sidney Lumet [Bob Muller ] Troubadours [Gerald Notaro ] NJC American Idol NJC with SPOILER [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 00:22:29 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: NJC what's going on?? I apologize for typing my reply in the middle of your message, Richard. It seems that when I hit 'Reply All', emails that run longer than the length of my screen don't open at the the top. I'll try and be better at remembering to be sure and scroll all the way to the top when replying. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 6:53 PM To: mark.travis@frontier.com ; margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca ; Joni people! ; motitan75@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NJC what's going on?? What Mark said. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless - -----Original message----- From: Mark To: Richard Flynn , margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca, Joni people! , motitan75@yahoo.com Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 01:51:38 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: NJC what's going on?? - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 6:37 PM To: margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca ; Joni people! ; motitan75@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NJC what's going on?? Essentially, a bunch of radical tea partiers are preventing a more than reasonable compromise and will probably force a shut-down of the Federal govt.B And that could mean government workers being furloughed and government funded services being shut down until our congress can agree on a Federal budget. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 00:33:22 -0700 From: Subject: NJC Imagine there's no gov't LOL, Laura! Welcome to the Libertarian Party! (JUST kidding ;-) Bob had one of the better explanations but I think that even if everyone was taxed 100% it still wouldn't reduce the trillions dollar deficit and certainly wouldn't help our already miserable economy. However, I was more disgusted that usual by the Kabuki theater antics and sky is falling hyperpole that we had to endure while they were negotiating a budget that was originally due last year. Oh and the breathless, eleventh hour. "we did it, we stopped the government from being shut down." Feh! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:35:18 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x > > BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ (expires April 16) Lieve asked: >Any idea when this was actually broadcast? 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) best to all PaulC NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:51:40 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: RE: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Thanks Paul for posting that link. I did think I'd heard it before though, and fairly recently at that. Lieve asked: "Any idea when this was actually broadcast?"Last broadcast on Sun, 20 Dec 2009, 00:00 on BBC Radio 3http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kss3c#broadcastsWtSx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:18:18 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Thanks Paul and WIlliam for further info about the programme. And what an absolutely wonderful programme it is! I can't wait to hear Dave Blckburn's take on it. And so good, Paul, that you have now made it available outside the UK. In reply to Bob Muller: yes Christine Tobin goes for some deep tracks, including Chair in the Sky and Night Ride Home. There are many tracks, but they don't get played in their entirety, as it is really an exploration of Joni as a jazz artist, so each song is there to illustrate a particular aspect. Anyway, I'm so glad you will now be able to hear it thanks to Paul's download, and I am sure you will enjoy it! Lieve in London - ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Castle To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:35:18 Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x > > BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ (expires April 16) Lieve asked: >Any idea when this was actually broadcast? 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) best to all PaulC NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:41:57 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson Concert (njc) Stumbled across this blog post yesterday which includes a link to download a 1994 Shawn Colvin/ Richard Thompson show at NYC's Bottom Line - http://bit.ly/f7dIFq It clips a bit (on the loud tracks) but has some real gems - love their version of The Band's 'It Makes No Difference' and their improvised medley at the end of Polaroids (including 'Just My Imagination', 'My Girl', 'Best Of My Love', etc etc is great fun! > Set List: > It Makes No Difference > I Can't Wake Up To Save My Life > Beeswing > Diamond In The Rough > Twilight > Taking My Business Elswhere > Tear Stained Letter > Knowing What I Know > Polaroids - R & B Medley > Easy There Steady Now > The Sun Never Shines On The Poor > Set The Prairie On Fire > I Misunderstood > Talk - Wild Mountain Thyme (Tease) - Talk > 1952 Vincent Black Lightning > A Heart Needs A Home > Wall Of Death > Four Seasons In One Day > Valerie best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 06:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: NJC what's going on?? thanks everyone for your explanations. Bob, As a person who has worked in the social justice for social change realm for most of my life, I relate to yours so much and it is so frustrating to know, as you said, that a simple shift would effect change in a more humane way. In our country, we are on the brink of an election and the media is trying to find out why there is so much voter apathy. Someone had written an e-comment to one of the papers saying that the voiceless ones don't vote because for them, nothing changes. It's sad really. And with all that said, I'm ready to shake my fist at lightning and get out there and have my little voice heard. And I hope it makes a difference, somehow. Mags, grateful for this forum. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #98 Just wanted to voice my opinion on the "Girls Like Us" movie roles. As Joni I would love to see Evan Rachael Wood. I think Lea Michele would make a perfect Carole King. As For Carly Simon...I'm not really sure, of the choices mentioned I would probably pick Mila Kunis, but what about her co-star from "Black Swan," Natalie Portman. In a message dated 4/9/2011 3:02:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 9 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 098 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: when she thought she had some choice [T Peckham ] Who do you see as Joni Mitchell? [Michael Sentance ] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [Lieve Reckers ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:18:49 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: when she thought she had some choice Thank you for the beautiful post, Oddmund. Your thoughts about the song, and in general, really resonate with me tonight. Love back to you from afar. :-) Terra On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > In come in from the cold > a song that has haunted me > since i became a joni fan about twelve years ago > she says: > > When I thought life had some meaning > Then I thought I had some choice > (I was running blind) > And I made some value judgments > In a self-important voice > (I was outa line) > But then absurdity came over me > And I longed to lose control > (into no mind) > Oh all I ever wanted > Was just to come in from the cold > > What I reflect upon today > is these value-judgments, that she made in a self-important voice > > I am aware that these aren't Joni's lyrics at her uppermost. > but still those words ring true to me. > She strikes me right there. > > And then after the judgement > she longs to lose control. > Because absurdity came over her. > > Life is often absurd > It is absurd and tragic that thousands of people get killed > in a tsunami > Mother nature is powerful > and merciless. > > Life is also absurd at times. > When we think we have everything > we lose it all > When we have nothing > we might find a new and unexpected friend. > > That is life's richness. > Taste it. > > Sometimes life tires us out > Other times we find new sources to gain energy and joy from, > > I've just started knitting and painting again > Ten years ago I last did any tries. > > It makes me happy > and sometimes not. > > In a book I have the author says > > There is a joy that comes from creating > everyone deserves to feel that joy > > what a great quote. > > Love > > Oddmund > - - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - - ---Louise Bourgeois - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:53:55 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz musicians on her recordings, but she was also fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album of his music shortly before his death. > best to all PaulC - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:04:16 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Who do you see as Joni Mitchell? Philly.com had an interesting - and entirely speculative - column: > The question is not entirely rhetorical. As Sheila Weller's *Girls Like Us > *, a lively history of femme popsters Carole King, Joni Mitchell and Carly > Simon, is being adapted to the screen by John Sayles, I've been thinking > of the dream cast for the bio-triptych about the women who blazed the path > for the likes of Avril Lavigne, Beyonce and Katy Perry. > > While Weller's dream Jonis are Amanda Seyfried (who sounded her golden > pipes in *Mamma Mia!)*, Michelle Williams and Jennifer Lawrence, Wood, who > manages the trick of being ethereal and grounded, was Joni-like as the lead > of *Across the Universe *and would be my first choice. (After seeing her > Veda in *Mildred Pierce*, I am convinced she can do anything. Second would > be Mia Wasikowska, but I don't know if she can sing and, as Weller said, she > already played a character named after Joni Mitchell in *The Kids Are All > Right*. Taylor Swift has the voice and the cheekbones that arch to the > heavens, > > For Carole King, Weller would like to see Lea Michelle, Carey Mulligan or > Elisabeth Moss. Michelle or Moss are great, off-center choices for the woman > who co-wrote "But Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" I can also see impish Emma > Stone in the part. > > As for Carly Simon, Weller suggests Mandy Moore, a good singer and a warm > screen presence...or Mila Kunis, who might be more interesting as King. > > In your mind's eye and ear, who do you see (or hear) in these roles? > Link: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/flickgrrl/Casting-Couch-Evan-Rachel-Wood- as-Joni-Mitchell.html#ixzz1IxoclE38 - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:29:12 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Lovely find, Paul! I hope that non-UKers can access it, but somehow I doubt it as this is the BBC. Any idea when this was actually broadcast? I could not see that on the site, but enjoyed the programme very much. Lieve in London - - ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Castle To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 8 April, 2011 19:53:55 Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz musicians on her recordings, but she was also fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album of his music shortly before his death. > best to all PaulC - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Almost, but not quite. It leads you on and makes you think you can get it, then it asks you a weird question about whether or not you're 16 or over, and then tells you it's not available in your area. - - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lieve Reckers > To: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 5:29:12 PM > Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > > Lovely find, Paul! I hope that non-UKers can access it, but somehow I doubt >it > > as this is the BBC. > Any idea when this was actually broadcast? I could not see that on the site, > but enjoyed the programme very much. > Lieve in London > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 8 April, 2011 19:53:55 > Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > > Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - > > http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x > > BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > > > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through > the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including > her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and > Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz > musicians on her recordings, but she was also > fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album > of his music shortly before his death. > > > > best to all > PaulC - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if I can catch it here in China or not...I'll try tomorrow when I get my ONE day off work. Not having seen it, I'm not sure if it states that Christine has recorded several Joni songs, and she definitely shoots for the deep tracks. She did "The Priest" and "Chair In The Sky" and definitely made them her own. Would love to see her do a couple more. Bob NP: Ben Ottewell, "Blackbird" (the distinctive voice of Gomez for those who may be interested. I was not aware of this album but am adding it to my want list) - - ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Castle To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 2:53:55 AM Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz musicians on her recordings, but she was also fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album of his music shortly before his death. > best to all PaulC - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #98 ******************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:21:45 +0100 From: joe farrell Subject: re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Hi Lieve, This was originally broadcast on BBC Radio 3 on 6th June 2009. It is an excellent programme, very interesting. It puts Joni's jazz era in perspective. "Mingus" is described as "truly a jazz album". Prior to this,the presenter suggests, the jazz content was tangential really. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:58:01 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Firstly many thanks to Paul for making this downloadable to those of us outside the UK. And, since Lieve asks, I thought it was great, given the time (and legal) restraints of the programme. I have a few nitpicks about facts (Mingus wrote four tunes, not six, for Joni to work with and she wrote the other two of the songs on "Mingus".) Some of the players names get pronounced a bit inauthentically (it's Jaaaco, not Jack-o) but these are minor quibbles. The case was certainly made that Joni is a bona fide jazz artist and it might have been worth mentioning that Pat Metheny, to my knowledge, was never a sideman willing to go on the road with any other singer in his career. He might have had his regrets about doing so, as has been reported, but it still says a lot about her stature at the time; a who's who of the electric jazz greats of the era all on the same stage backing a white Canadian singer bagged as a folkie is quite amazing to think of, and I don't think it would happen even now, thirty plus years later. Little was discussed in the programme about how or why Joni leaned towards jazz, with no training in music and no jazzers among her contemporaries. My own theory is that her early childhood, which was pre-rock and roll, exposed her to the jazz singers of the 30's-50's in both big bands and small combos. That may have left an impression. And then meeting John Guerin; I think he introduced her more to the jazz language and many of the L.A scene players. Once they got to hear her harmonic innovations and vocal phrasing, maybe at Guerin's urging, they wanted to play with her. Once Jaco met her and they hit it off he brought in his Weather Report colleagues Shorter, Airto, Badrena, Acuna, Erskine, Alias and then Jaco's other friends Herbie Hancock and Pat Metheny would have been persuaded that she was worth checking out. I think by the time she and Don Alias were going together he would have played a big part in Joni's acceptance into the New York jazz world and ultimately working with Mingus. Looking back it seems so obvious that she was ready but at the time I bet Joni was as freaked out as could be about working in this hostile, clannish musical club with the greatest players of the era. She has hinted at this in interviews. I think after the initial "can she cut it?" questions were laid to rest these musicians gave her all the support she needed to explore her jazz sensibilites. And now Herbie and Wayne are still her champions. Dave On Apr 9, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Thanks Paul and WIlliam for further info about the programme. > And what an absolutely wonderful programme it is! I can't wait to hear Dave > Blckburn's take on it. And so good, Paul, that you have now made it available > outside the UK. > > In reply to Bob Muller: yes Christine Tobin goes for some deep tracks, including > Chair in the Sky and Night Ride Home. There are many tracks, but they don't get > played in their entirety, as it is really an exploration of Joni as a jazz > artist, so each song is there to illustrate a particular aspect. Anyway, I'm so > glad you will now be able to hear it thanks to Paul's download, and I am sure > you will enjoy it! > > Lieve in London > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; > Lieve Reckers > Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:35:18 > Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > >> http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x >> >> BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > > For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ > > (expires April 16) > > Lieve asked: > >> Any idea when this was actually broadcast? > > 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) > > best to all > PaulC > > NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of > 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming > album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 > (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:57:15 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Thanks for that illuminating response, Dave. So glad I asked! Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Dave Blackburn To: Lieve Reckers Cc: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org; Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 16:58:01 Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Firstly many thanks to Paul for making this downloadable to those of us outside the UK. And, since Lieve asks, I thought it was great, given the time (and legal) restraints of the programme. I have a few nitpicks about facts (Mingus wrote four tunes, not six, for Joni to work with and she wrote the other two of the songs on "Mingus".) Some of the players names get pronounced a bit inauthentically (it's Jaaaco, not Jack-o) but these are minor quibbles. The case was certainly made that Joni is a bona fide jazz artist and it might have been worth mentioning that Pat Metheny, to my knowledge, was never a sideman willing to go on the road with any other singer in his career. He might have had his regrets about doing so, as has been reported, but it still says a lot about her stature at the time; a who's who of the electric jazz greats of the era all on the same stage backing a white Canadian singer bagged as a folkie is quite amazing to think of, and I don't think it would happen even now, thirty plus years later. Little was discussed in the programme about how or why Joni leaned towards jazz, with no training in music and no jazzers among her contemporaries. My own theory is that her early childhood, which was pre-rock and roll, exposed her to the jazz singers of the 30's-50's in both big bands and small combos. That may have left an impression. And then meeting John Guerin; I think he introduced her more to the jazz language and many of the L.A scene players. Once they got to hear her harmonic innovations and vocal phrasing, maybe at Guerin's urging, they wanted to play with her. Once Jaco met her and they hit it off he brought in his Weather Report colleagues Shorter, Airto, Badrena, Acuna, Erskine, Alias and then Jaco's other friends Herbie Hancock and Pat Metheny would have been persuaded that she was worth checking out. I think by the time she and Don Alias were going together he would have played a big part in Joni's acceptance into the New York jazz world and ultimately workin! g with Mingus. Looking back it seems so obvious that she was ready but at the time I bet Joni was as freaked out as could be about working in this hostile, clannish musical club with the greatest players of the era. She has hinted at this in interviews. I think after the initial "can she cut it?" questions were laid to rest these musicians gave her all the support she needed to explore her jazz sensibilites. And now Herbie and Wayne are still her champions. Dave On Apr 9, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Thanks Paul and WIlliam for further info about the programme. > And what an absolutely wonderful programme it is! I can't wait to hear Dave > Blckburn's take on it. And so good, Paul, that you have now made it available > outside the UK. > > In reply to Bob Muller: yes Christine Tobin goes for some deep tracks, >including > > Chair in the Sky and Night Ride Home. There are many tracks, but they don't >get > > played in their entirety, as it is really an exploration of Joni as a jazz > artist, so each song is there to illustrate a particular aspect. Anyway, I'm >so > > glad you will now be able to hear it thanks to Paul's download, and I am sure > you will enjoy it! > > Lieve in London > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; > Lieve Reckers > Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:35:18 > Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > >> http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x >> >> BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > > For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ > > (expires April 16) > > Lieve asked: > >> Any idea when this was actually broadcast? > > 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) > > best to all > PaulC > > NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of > 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming > album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 > (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:30:16 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not meaning to quibble with one of my favorite musicians, but I believe Mingus did write six tunes for Joni. However, Joni only penned lyrics for four of Mingus' melodies and recorded them on 'Mingus'. From Cameron Crowe's Rolling Stone interview from July 26, 1979 : 'Mingus had written what would later become his last six melodies ("Joni I-VI, " he called them), and he wanted Mitchell to write and sing the lyrics for them.' And this from the biography that Wally Breese created for the original JoniMitchell.com: 'Mingus died in January 1979 before the album was finished, but he'd heard all but 1 of the lyrics that Joni had written for his melodies. This last song, "God Must Be a Boogie Man," was written by Joni after reading the first four pages of Mingus' autobiography, "Beneath the Underdog." Joni continued working on the songs, finally coming up with sets of lyrics for 3 of the 6 melodies he wrote for her, plus "Goodbye, Pork Pie Hat." These 4 collaborations, plus her originals "The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey" and "God Must Be a Boogie Man" completed the album, and Joni included as links between the songs, bits of tapes of Charles talking about his life that Sue Mingus gave her after Charles died.' So actually Charles Mingus did write 6 new melodies for Joni. She ended up creating lyrics for 3 of those 6 and also for 'Goodbye Porkpie Hat', a piece that was already a Mingus classic by the time the two started their collaboration. Again from Cameron Crowe's 1979 RS interview: Crowe: How did you go about writing lyrics to "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat?" This is a classic piece of music that has... Joni: b&been around. Mark in Seattle picking those nits again - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:58 AM To: Lieve Reckers Cc: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org ; Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Firstly many thanks to Paul for making this downloadable to those of us outside the UK. And, since Lieve asks, I thought it was great, given the time (and legal) restraints of the programme. I have a few nitpicks about facts (Mingus wrote four tunes, not six, for Joni to work with and she wrote the other two of the songs on "Mingus".) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 14:18:11 -0400 From: Jim Subject: NJC what's going on?? www.NYTimes.com is a great place to get news. Jim L'Hommedieu From: Mags >excuse my ignorance on the subject, however, we just tuned in to see that the american government is less than three hours from shutting down??? Im sorry if this isnt appropriate for the list but where else can I get the low down? Very confusing to this Canadian> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:34:02 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast I stand humbly corrected Mark. On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Mark wrote: > Not meaning to quibble with one of my favorite musicians, but I believe Mingus did write six tunes for Joni. However, Joni only penned lyrics for four of Mingus' melodies and recorded them on 'Mingus'. > > From Cameron Crowe's Rolling Stone interview from July 26, 1979 : > > 'Mingus had written what would later become his last six melodies ("Joni I-VI, " he called them), and he wanted Mitchell to write and sing the lyrics for them.' > > And this from the biography that Wally Breese created for the original JoniMitchell.com: > > 'Mingus died in January 1979 before the album was finished, but he'd heard all but 1 of the lyrics that Joni had written for his melodies. This last song, "God Must Be a Boogie Man," was written by Joni after reading the first four pages of Mingus' autobiography, "Beneath the Underdog." Joni continued working on the songs, finally coming up with sets of lyrics for 3 of the 6 melodies he wrote for her, plus "Goodbye, Pork Pie Hat." These 4 collaborations, plus her originals "The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey" and "God Must Be a Boogie Man" completed the album, and Joni included as links between the songs, bits of tapes of Charles talking about his life that Sue Mingus gave her after Charles died.' > > So actually Charles Mingus did write 6 new melodies for Joni. She ended up creating lyrics for 3 of those 6 and also for 'Goodbye Porkpie Hat', a piece that was already a Mingus classic by the time the two started their collaboration. > > Again from Cameron Crowe's 1979 RS interview: > > Crowe: How did you go about writing lyrics to "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat?" This is a classic piece of music that has... > > Joni: been around. > > Mark in Seattle > picking those nits again > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:58 AM > To: Lieve Reckers > Cc: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org ; Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > > Firstly many thanks to Paul for making this downloadable to those of us outside the UK. > > And, since Lieve asks, I thought it was great, given the time (and legal) restraints of the programme. I have a few nitpicks about facts (Mingus wrote four tunes, not six, for Joni to work with and she wrote the other two of the songs on "Mingus".) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:46:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: NJC Imagine there's no gov't Bob pretty much nailed it (as always). Bob for prez??? Various politicians are taking this 'opportunity' to try to champion their various agendas. I guess they figure people are more likely to be paying attention. For 'non-essential' government workers it means they can't go to work and won't get paid until this is resolved. Although I see they've reached a short term agreement. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: NJC Imagine there's no gov't Thanks Anne, and again, everyone else for chiming in and helping me work this out in my mind, somewhat. I am embarrassed that I fell into the bit of worry that I did; and I suppose this is JUST what the media spin was hoping for. Bad form. I still do not get it (fully), but at least, have half a clue. Mags ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:07:32 -0700 From: Subject: Re: NJC Imagine there's no gov't Don't be embarrassed at all, Mags. That's how it has been portrayed here for the past few weeks, although by the eleventh hour last night I noticed even many news reporters rolling their eyes. Congress was way overdue on producing a budget for this year. Without a finalized budget, they cannot provide the funding for government agencies, entities, military, etc. They have been using "Continiung Resolutions" for months now to keep the government going but the deadline was reached for determining the actual budget. In reality there *could* have been a shutdown, but thankfully it didn't come to that. Kakki > Thanks Anne, and again, everyone else for chiming in and helping me work > this out in my mind, somewhat. I am embarrassed that I fell into the bit > of worry that I did; and I suppose this is JUST what the media spin was > hoping for. Bad form. I still do not get it (fully), but at least, have > half a clue. > > Mags ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:48:35 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Heavens, I don't see any reason for you to feel humbled! You know more about the music than I could possible know. You play it and keep it alive. All I have is a tangle of trivia stuffed into the dusty garret that I call my memory. The release of 'Mingus' and that Cameron Crowe interview do have a special place marker in all of that debris. 'Mingus' was the first of Joni's albums to be released after I moved from Iowa to Seattle. I snatched up that Rolling Stone with Joni on the cover and devoured every word. I was so excited that a new Joni Mitchell album was coming out and that she had been recruited by a legitimate jazz musician to create bona fide jazz music. I was living in a brand new, beautiful place I had never been to before. There was a new Joni Mitchell album on the way that represented a bold step for my favorite singer-songwriter. Of course I remember it. It was a time of all kinds of changes and new adventures in my life. And there was Joni, finishing up one of her most significant adventures. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:34 AM To: Mark Cc: Lieve Reckers ; Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org ; Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast I stand humbly corrected Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:44:15 -0400 From: Miles Parks Grier Subject: introduction and a question Greetings, all-- I am working on a research project on Mitchell's transition to jazz. Many of you already know that Mitchell has been quoted as saying she is a black man trapped in a white woman's body and that an African-American music critic (Greg Tate) has also deemed her black. I sometimes joke that I must have missed the meeting where Joni was voted into the black male club. Nevertheless, I remain a great fan of hers. I am wondering if any of you have ever come across any reviews or interviews that are critical of her appearance on the cover of _Don Juan's Reckless Daughter_ as a black male pimp. Many interviews and biographies mention it and call it controversial, but I've never seen any of the actual controversy. Can anyone help? I'd also be happy to read any opinions you have about MItchell as a black man. cheers, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Johnson Subject: Re: http://www.industrialresourcesmanagement.com/super.z.php?ID=094 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Johnson Subject: Re: http://www.benesseretotale.com/super.z.php?SID=766 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Night Ride Home? What? Where? Are you toying with me? I see where her latest project/album is an entire reproduction of Tapestry. Maybe someday she'll go for an entire Joni. Bob NP: The Beatles, "You Never Give Me Your Money ------>The End" (bringing to mind that magical night in Paz' backyard) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Imagine there's no gov't NJC If nominated, I will not run...if elected I will not serve... I know that many progressives are upset with Obama, for various reasons. Given that the federal government hasn't changed its state of gridlock, and the American people still believe that THEIR party will solve all of the problems, I think he's been able to push through a pretty good list of accomplishments. Some political analysts think that he leaned more conservative his first term, and in his second term he'll be more progressively aggressive. Oh, and anyone who thinks he WON'T win a 2nd term, let's do some gambling and I'll donate all the proceeds to Les. Speaking of no regrets Coyote, funny how many voters that got on the tea party bandwagon are now having some cognitive dissonance about their elected officials. Even in my state of SC, governor Nikki Haley is taking it on her pointy chin for some unscrupulous actions and for replacing effective people with her campaign contributors. (Google "Darla Moore" if you want additional dirt on that subject). And our beloved Lt. Governor was charged with over 100 counts of misusing campaign funds. The beat goes on. Then again, if goofballs like Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, and Mike ("yes I think the earth is really 2000 years old") Huckabee can be candidates, I would definitely have a shot. Bob NP: The Decemberists, "Rise To Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: introduction and a question Hi Miles, In case you haven't checked it out, have a look at the JM.com library. Do a search for "black man", "Art Nouveau" (the name she gave to her blackface character) and you'll probaly find some photos, facts and opinions from a wide assortment of writers. She played the character in a short film titled "The Black Cat In The Black Mouse Socks" as part of the project "Love". I've seen it and it wasn't very controversial - just bad and boring. Bob NP: Paul Simon, "The Afterlife" (from his new one - he still sounds great and still has a brilliant lyrical edge.) - ----- Original Message ---- From: Miles Parks Grier To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 6:44:15 AM Subject: introduction and a question Greetings, all-- I am working on a research project on Mitchell's transition to jazz. Many of you already know that Mitchell has been quoted as saying she is a black man trapped in a white woman's body and that an African-American music critic (Greg Tate) has also deemed her black. I sometimes joke that I must have missed the meeting where Joni was voted into the black male club. Nevertheless, I remain a great fan of hers. I am wondering if any of you have ever come across any reviews or interviews that are critical of her appearance on the cover of _Don Juan's Reckless Daughter_ as a black male pimp. Many interviews and biographies mention it and call it controversial, but I've never seen any of the actual controversy. Can anyone help? I'd also be happy to read any opinions you have about MItchell as a black man. cheers, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:37:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC what's going on?? A for instance...Social Security, which is mostly funded now but faces some problems in the coming decade, could be solved with a snap of the fingers. The cap for paying into SS stops at around $106,000. So, if you make $50,000 you pay SS taxes on every dollar you make. And you probably need every dollar you make to pay your bills and such. Meanwhile, if you make $500,000 you pay SS taxes on about 20% of your income, and you probably have enough money for all the coke and hooker you want on top of paying your bills. If you had to pay the additional SS taxes on that OTHER 400 grand, would it really hurt you? Of course not. So what is OUR government's solution? RAISE THE RETIREMENT AGE to 70. Make those of us who are paying SS taxes on 100% of our income pony up more money, or die so that they don't have to pay us anything. Sure don't make no sense to me... Bob NP: Paul Simon, "Rewrite" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC RIP Sidney Lumet So many great films I can't even begin to list them all...Dog Day Afternoon, Network, Serpico...a long list indeed. Bob NP: Paul Simon, "Love Is Eternal Sacred Light" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:03:30 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Troubadours I urge everyone to watch the DVD, Troubadours: The Rise of the Singer Songwriter. It is incredibly well done. I was very surprised at how emotional I got watching it. It isn't nostalgia, but at the realization of the purity of the times and music that has passed us. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:40:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC American Idol NJC with SPOILER OK, some I'm late chiming in (I'm forced to catch it via videos on the AI website hence the delay) but here are my thoughts about the Hall of Fame songs: General note - I have to say that as a whole this was a solid batch of performances (not counting Paul who SUX so bad). The judges have become totally useless as all they do is take turns heaping praise and inflating the heads of these kids instead of trying to help them - even the Dawg. And by now you know that Pia was given the boot. Her performance Weds of "River Deep Mountain High" was just breathtaking. She nailed the emotion and those high notes. My baseline for that song is Tina Turner and Harry Nilsson, so it's a high mark indeed. Sadly, Pia has always come off as a cross between a fembot and a Stepford wife so though she may have the best voice technically, it's hard to warm up to her and the votes this week reflected that. But hey, she's already signed a record contract so don't shed any tears for her. Casey's "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" was OK but sung with a big smirk, and it's a pretty dark song. Casey, watch a video of Springsteen doing this one and you'll see how you missed the feel of it. Still, Casey is one of my favorites. Haley sort of committed the same crime with Janis' "Piece Of My Heart", and she overgrowled a bit but taking on such a legendary vocal performance took guts and she poured it out. She could go all the way. Plus, those legs. But I digress. Jacob Lusk, "Man In The Mirror" - hooray that he didn't do another gospelly screamer/weeper. But he still stumbled at the beginning, way sharp on the entire first couple of phrases. Got back on pitch and didn't come off as being so out of control and creepy. A plus for him but he doesn't have the stuff to go much farther. James Durbin, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" - first time for him to slow it down and belt out a ballad. Sounded almost exactly like Axl Rose to my ears, which is a compliment as Axl does a heavy metal ballad as good as anyone. And lo and behold, JENNIFER actually said something useful, telling him that the ballads are what make the rockers work. Point for Ms. Lopez. Lauren Alaina, "You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman" - I'm not her biggest fan but wowie! This was the best thing I've heard from her vocally. She nailed every note and the nuance of the note and the lyric. OK, EVERYBODY pales next to Aretha (and Carole King wrote this EXPRESSLY for her), but Lauren's performance was stellar, even with that silly Andrews Sisters hairstyle. She shows a lot of spirit for someone so young and does that pop-country thing that has proved successful on AI. Paul McDonald, "Folsom Prison Blues" - Yes, he's terrible. He's been THE WORST for over a month now. But he does a good job of balancing that birds' nest on top of his head. Oh wait, that's his hair? Anyway, I think he knows he's bad and feels kind of bulletproof, so he's just totally relaxed and having fun ala Tim Urban from last year. He didn't even cover more than a 2 or 3 note range on this one. Pathetic. Scotty McCreery, "That's Alright Mama" - Came off a bit like an Elvis impersonator but I find that he's so likeable that I can't say much bad about him. He knows what he is, he's comfortable in his own skin, he's a genuine good guy and he hits his notes. He holds that microphone like it was a champagne glass though, one of these times he's gonna drop it and then he's in mucho trouble. Stefano, "When A Man Loves A Woman" - another case where a singer is tackling a song that has already been done TO PERFECTION. While Haley and Lauren pulled theirs off (ooh, just the visual of that makes me smile), Stefano was just so-so. Didn't add anything, didn't flub anything but left me cold. He was in the bottom 2 this week and may be a goner this week. Coming up this week - songs from the movies. We'll see what happens! Bob in Beijing NP: Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #106 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------