From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #60 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 26 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 060 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Lyrics to Paints and Brushes [M C ] Re: Lyrics to Paints and Brushes [Catherine McKay ] Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site [Lc Stanley ] RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller [Mags ] RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Another Joni moment on "30 Rock" ["Randy Remote" Subject: Lyrics to Paints and Brushes Paints and Brushes - Tina Fey Parody of Joni Mitchell B I knew a man called Richard Dean, Paints and brushes, paints and brushesb& Spent all weekend sweeping the floor and cooking beans, Paints and brushes, paints and brushesb& Why, whyb& why do you drink so much red wine? Well the standards man he donbt like joke about tamponsb& But itbs just a natural part of the human experience, And I - Ibm not gonna stop, Ibm not gonna stop doinb them Ibm not gonna stop doinb jokesb& about tampons, And if I see Irene Burns Ibm gonna tell her to Go back to Boston, go back to Boston But first will ya tell me what Ken Auletta is saying, bCause I canbt understand him when he speaks, Paints and brushes, paints and brushesb& Saskatchewan, Alberta, Medicine hat, Medicine hat Oh, medicine hat B http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/tina_fey_joni_mitchell.htmlB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lyrics to Paints and Brushes Thanks for the lyrics. I swear there was a reprise or another verse later on where she said something about giving up the baby. Yikes! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: M C > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 11:06:38 PM > Subject: Lyrics to Paints and Brushes > > Paints and Brushes - Tina Fey Parody of Joni Mitchell > B > I knew a man called Richard Dean, > Paints and brushes, paints and brushesb& > Spent all weekend sweeping the floor and cooking beans, > Paints and brushes, paints and brushesb& > Why, whyb& why do you drink so much red wine? > Well the standards man he donbt like joke about tamponsb& > But itbs just a natural part of the human experience, > And I - Ibm not gonna stop, Ibm not gonna stop doinb them > Ibm not gonna stop doinb jokesb& about tampons, > And if I see Irene Burns Ibm gonna tell her to > Go back to Boston, go back to Boston > But first will ya tell me what Ken Auletta is saying, > bCause I canbt understand him when he speaks, > Paints and brushes, paints and brushesb& > Saskatchewan, Alberta, > > Medicine hat, > Medicine hat > Oh, medicine hat > B > http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/tina_fey_joni_mitchell.htmlB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:44:48 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bahz4qCejSI ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: est86mlm@ameritech.net; Joni List Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 3:25:41 PM Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site Very cool. I watched the Chaka Tribute on BET network a few weeks back. She still looks and sounds terrific. As we know, Chaka is a friend of Joni's and also a huge fan of her music. Jerry On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:16 PM, wrote: > Someone at Verve likes Joni! > > Check out the Joni trivia-like mention for Rufus. > > >http://www.hip-oselect.com/scr.public.product.asp?product_id=7C24DA1B-51C6-4431-BDA7-F6261C27F40B >B > > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:55:29 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site But wait there's more... Tell me, tell me, tell me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkJFodl9I1U&feature=related ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: est86mlm@ameritech.net; Joni List Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 3:25:41 PM Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site Very cool. I watched the Chaka Tribute on BET network a few weeks back. She still looks and sounds terrific. As we know, Chaka is a friend of Joni's and also a huge fan of her music. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:46:55 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site I know Chaka sang this at 'Joni's Jazz' but this sounds like a studio recording. Is this one of the casualties of the 'Tribute' cd that took forever to be released? Bob? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYF6T6bfCw4 Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Lc Stanley Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:55 AM To: Gerald Notaro ; est86mlm@ameritech.net ; Joni List Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site But wait there's more... Tell me, tell me, tell me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkJFodl9I1U&feature=related ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: est86mlm@ameritech.net; Joni List Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 3:25:41 PM Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site Very cool. I watched the Chaka Tribute on BET network a few weeks back. She still looks and sounds terrific. As we know, Chaka is a friend of Joni's and also a huge fan of her music. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:39:57 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller Wow, excellent job Richard!!!! I loved the interview. Thanks to Sheila for doing it. I really appreciated her comments about Joni's comparisons to Dylan and the other mega men from the 60s. I'm also very curious about her remark that Joni was upset that she was included with Carole and Carly in the book. Does that mean she will object to the movie? Just something I've been pondering. Thanks again Les and Richard, and I'm looking forward to other jm.com exclusive interviews (the SIQUOMB perhaps?). Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:17 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2356 Thanks to Sheila Weller and Richard Flynn for this interview. I hope it's the first (continuation, actually) of many exclusive interviews for the site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:20:24 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller I was struck by Sheila Weller's first comments in this interview. I wonder if this was what Joni was trying to articulate when she made those controversial remarks about Bob Dylan a little while ago: SW: First of all, as the foremost musical artist of her times, I think most people would that say that she is on a par with Bob Dylan. I often say I think she exceeded Dylan, and for this reason: Life experience counts with me. She lived the songs she wrote, and she paid a price. Bob Dylan - great as he is - did not. Joni Anderson in the rooming house in Yorkville in late 1964 - alone, virtually penniless, pregnant, and terrified her parents would find out - was determined to play and sing in clubs despite her growing pregnancy. Living on stale donuts and donated apples, in love with the music she was beginning to understand she was destined to make, she went through a far braver, more spiritually testing rite of passage than Bobby Zimmerman getting a ride from Minnesota to New York with a buddy, living with generous friends until he found a supportive girlfriend, and finding his musical material from archival newspapers at the NY Public Library. So, she paid a price for the beautiful, iconic music she found within her; she earned it, and the songs reveal the personal wisdom. Mark in frosty Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Les Irvin Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:16 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2356 Thanks to Sheila Weller and Richard Flynn for this interview. I hope it's the first (continuation, actually) of many exclusive interviews for the site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:21:52 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni spoof on "30 Rock" < Subject: Re: Another Joni moment on "30 Rock" Ok, everybody knows I'm strange and I am a Tina Fey fan myself. She was one of the better Weekend Update anchors on SNL (Jane Curtin was the best, imo, not being a Chevy Chase fan) and I loved her spot-on lampooning of someone I believe I'm currently ignoring so I won't mention her name. But....I just don't find '30 Rock' all that funny. Maybe it's because I don't really 'watch' it as much as hear it. I'm usually sitting here at the computer while it's on the TV. Maybe you have to watch and listen to really 'get' it. But now I have to admit, I had several lol moments listening to Tina's Joni parody. Her singing is surprising!>> Mark, that music clip of Tina doing Joni was hilarious. I remember watching the episode thinking that singer in the background sounds like Joni, or a Joni type. But I was listening to the dialogue and couldn't focus on it. I came in on about Season 3 to "30 Rock," after having my brother-in-law tell us again and again how funny it is. Some episodes kill me and some I just shrug, like last night's, saying "Huh, that was weird." But for the most part I think it's very well done. I happen to love Alec Baldwin and think he is so perfect in that role. And, may I ask, what in the world ever became of Jane Curtin?? Did she just slink off into obscurity? Jan Hooks (former SNLer) was on "30 Rock" playing Jenna's mother (she has gained a lot of weight since "the day"). Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:40:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller excellent questions there Richard! I especially love the "boys like me" comment...I'd like to hear your thoughts (not it's your time ;-) And since I'm rather interested in the story of why Joni gave up her baby, and all things surrounding that time; I am interest to know why Weller made the comment that Joni gave up her baby for art. (sorry if I am misquoting). Someone can straighten me out a bit. As well, I'd like to know where that idea comes from. Other than the obvious. Bah. Am I answering my own question there? Terra to the rescue ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller bah, sorry Richard, I mean "now" that it's your time (to speak). - --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Mags wrote: > From: Mags > Subject: RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller > To: "Les Irvin" , "joni@smoe.org" , "Richard Flynn" , "Susan Tierney McNamara" > Received: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:40 PM > excellent questions there Richard! I > especially love the "boys like me" comment...I'd like to > hear your thoughts (not it's your time ;-) > And since I'm rather interested in the story of why Joni > gave up her baby, and all things surrounding that time; I am > interest to know why Weller made the comment that Joni gave > up her baby for art. (sorry if I am misquoting). Someone can > straighten me out a bit. As well, I'd like to know where > that idea comes from. Other than the obvious. Bah. Am I > answering my own question there? Terra to the rescue ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:01:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site Yes it is - It was included on the never-released "A Case Of Joni". I lucked into a copy on ebay. Here's a cleaner recording of it if you like: http://tinyurl.com/6zktzub Bob NP: The Chieftains, "Santiago de Cuba" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:18:57 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Re: A Joni Mention & Rufus on Verve Music Site Just downloaded this. Oh, that was sweet! Thanks, Bob Laura Bob Muller wrote: > released? Bob?> > > Yes it is - It was included on the never-released "A Case Of Joni". I lucked > into a copy on ebay. Here's a cleaner recording of it if you like: > > http://tinyurl.com/6zktzub > > Bob > > NP: The Chieftains, "Santiago de Cuba" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:44:30 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni spoof on "30 Rock" > And, may I ask, what in the world ever became of Jane Curtin?? Did she > just > slink off into obscurity? > Lindsay Hardly! She starred in Kate & Allie, a huge hit show in the '80's, and was also in the cast of the (er, highly overrated IMO) comedy "3rd Rock From The Sun" which ran until 2001. Most recently, she was in the film "I Love You, Man". RR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Curtin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:32:43 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller Dear Mags & Co., If you are really asking, remember that painful moment in Love, Actually where Emma Thompson's character says that Joni Mitchell taught her how to feel, I would have to say the same thing--of course so did a lot of other artists, authors, parents, siblings, friends. Sheila lays it out explicitly that she believes that the sincerity or authenticity of the artists' life matters in terms of the value of their art. I do not share that view. I write about a number of poets who explore what Elizabeth Bishop calls "the art of losing," but I believe that it is not the authority of her suffering that makes Bishop a great artist, it is the art she made. So I think that if Dylan was a snot-nosed middle-class kid who came to New York and as a skillful opportunist managed to advance his career (that's one version of his story that he himself tells) for me that doesn't negate his art, nor does suffering itself or a particular life experience elevate one artist over another, for me. The intention behind the question was that I, too, came of age with Joni Mitchell's music (and as a musician I cared deeply about it--I recognized trying to figure out "Cactus Tree" in 1968--I was 13--that I'd need to detune my guitar to play it). Let's take Blue, for example. I was sixteen when Blue came out and deeply in love with my first love. I felt that Joni understood my feelings, and I truly believe that while her music is feminist and relevant to gender, that it is also transcendent and not limited in its appeal solely on the basis of gender. I knew at once, for instance, that the dewy-eyed romanticism and political idealism I felt at 16 would certainly one day be tempered; Joni told me and I understood after Nixon's invasion of Cambodia and the Kent State killings and getting tear-gassed protesting the sad irony of "they won't give peace a chance/ that was just a dream some of us had". When "Richard" sits up all night drinking alone "with the tv on / and all the house lights left up bright," that was my father and I knew if I wasn't careful that it could be easily be me. And I was experiencing my first full and long-term sexual relationship at the time, so the pitfalls of negotiating love and pleasure were things that Joni had some wisdom about. That didn't necessarily mean she was a role model in the strictest sense, but I learned through her art certain emotional nuances that her particular chords (and melodies and music) touched deeply. And all her subsequent records, even ones that disappointed me, spoke to me in the context of my life at the time of their release, and they resonate differently as they endure over time and in different circumstances--one can be at once nostalgic and hear them anew. As for giving up a child for art, I don't have any earthly idea what Joni experienced making that painful decision. And I imagine I never will, not even if Joni writes about it in a memoir. By the way my full answer to that question would be even longer than this one. Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Mags [mailto:margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:40 PM > To: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org; Richard Flynn; Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: RE: The JoniMitchell.com Interview with Sheila Weller > > excellent questions there Richard! I especially love the "boys like me" > comment...I'd like to hear your thoughts (not it's your time ;-) > And since I'm rather interested in the story of why Joni gave up her baby, > and all things surrounding that time; I am interest to know why Weller > made the comment that Joni gave up her baby for art. (sorry if I am > misquoting). Someone can straighten me out a bit. As well, I'd like to > know where that idea comes from. Other than the obvious. Bah. Am I > answering my own question there? Terra to the rescue ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:55:41 -0500 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Joni (and other artists) mentioned in NYT article - Paul McCartney composes for ballet There was an article in yesterday's NY Times Arts section re an orchestral work composed by Paul McCartney for the NYC Ballet. It's a love story titled "Ocean's Kingdom" and will have its premiere on 9/22 at the company's fall gala. Midway through appeared the following section: "Mr. McCartney is certainly not the first pop musician to plunge into modern dance or ballet. Elvis Costello has written at least two ballets. Next month Sadler's Wells Theater in London will present "The Most Incredible Thing," a collaboration between the Pet Shop Boys and the choreographer Javier de Frutos. Wayne McGregor created the dance for the Radiohead music video "Lotus Flower,", released on Feb. 16. The pop-star cachet can provide a powerful dose of publicity for a ballet company. Jean Grand-Maitre, artistic director for Alberta Ballet in Canada, said he was looking for a way to attract new audiences for his company's 40th anniverary when a dance critic suggest using Joni Mitchell's music. He approached Ms. Mitchell, and she agreed, working closely with him in choosing the songs and designing the production. The 2007 show "got us more press than we'ever ever had in our company history," Mr. Grand-Maitre said, and it brought in many newcomers to ballet. A work based on Elton John's songs followed, and another dance -choreographed to Sarah McLachlan songs - is to have its premiere in May." Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:48:19 -0500 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: NJC - Jane Lynch interview On Wed 2/23 Jerry posted "Well there will be a Joni Mitchell episode if Jane Lynch has her way: http://lezgetreal.com/2010/07/newlywed-jane-lynch-is-nesting-wants-joni-mitc hell-episode-of-glee/" I did briefly read the linked Jane Lynch "interview" synopsis. I'm always buoyed to hear Joni recognized by other artists. However, I must say that I found Lynch's response to the following question rather eyebrow raising: Q "It's a movie about a couple who goes for Pre-Cana counseling (in order to be married in a Catholic church) - did you and your wife do that? A [Laughs.] My wife and I would have never stepped foot in a Pre-Cana household. The fact that the church thinks it can teach anybody about relationships to me is funny." Of course, Lynch is entitled to the opinion she expressed in her second sentence, regardless of its merits. However, her first sentence seems rather intolerant to me, coming from one who, I gather, would expect - or at least appreciate - tolerance from others. How does Lynch's remark differ from that of person who claimed, let's say, that he would never step foot in a gay or lesbian household ? Is there a double standard about flippant remarks? Are Catholics-to-be (or even Catholics) fair game, but the gay/lesbian community not? It recalls to mind a clever joke I heard during a concert over 40 years ago, when a performer (I forget who - it may have been a comedian), upon being heckled, shot back (and I paraphrase here) "Oh, I get it, a heckler. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance. I think all intolerant people should go to hell". Also recalls to mind the lyrics of Borderline. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:35:25 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Another Joni moment on "30 Rock" The humor in 30 Rock is such rapid-fire, you really have to be glued to it. But the rewards are many. Duh I just figured out that Medicine Hat is a place (in Alberta) and not a non-sequitor. RR, also not a Chevy Chase fan From: "Mark" > Ok, everybody knows I'm strange and I am a Tina Fey fan myself. But....I > just don't find '30 Rock' all that funny. > Maybe it's because I don't really 'watch' it as much as hear it. I'm > usually sitting here at the computer while it's on the TV. Maybe you have > to watch and listen to really 'get' it. > Mark in Medicine Hat...er...I mean Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #60 **************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. 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