From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #50 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 17 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 050 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Mitchell ["gene" ] jonimitchell.com vs. jimmywebb.com [] Which album? [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Which album? [Lc Stanley ] Re: Joni Mitchell [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Joni Mitchell [Em ] Re: Joni Mitchell [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Which album? [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Which album? [Michael Paz ] Re: Which album? [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Which album? [Gerald Notaro ] Sign off prayer [LC Stanley ] Fwd: [judy-collins] Review of first night Cafe Carlyle [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Joni Mitchell ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:43:33 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell "For the Roses"~~~gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: ; "JMDL" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:33 PM Subject: Joni Mitchell > "Blue". Next question, please. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > >>Which Joni album should I give my friend who has none?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:03:58 -0800 From: Subject: jonimitchell.com vs. jimmywebb.com Hi Mark, Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about Jimmy's web site the other night while trying to find lyrics to one of his more obscure songs. Only managed to find a snippet of the song submitted by Kenny Rankin on his own website a few years ago. I've been following the Webb site almost as long as the Joni sites and, while it has evolved a bit over the years, it has always been pretty sparse as far as historical information, lyrics, etc. My feeling from following it all these years is that Jimmy is very self-protective of his stuff out there. He has spoken a few times in interviews, etc. of being "ripped off" by questionable characters when he was first starting out. Also, the discussion list there seems highly moderated. I think that is kind of a loss to his fans and followers but seems to be the way he wants it. We're real spoiled here in comparision ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:01:29 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Which album? Hi Laura, I initially agreed with Bob that Dreamland was your best bet, but then remembered that the versions of 'Amelia' and 'For the Roses' are the tedious, overblown orchestral ones from 2002. Sorry, some people may well love them, but IMO it would be a tragedy for someone to hear Amelia for the first time in that version. (Tragedy's a bit strong, I know...) Another great compilation (the best IMO) is Songs of a Prairie Girl, but Paprika Plains might be a bit much for a 'first timer'... The track list is: Urge for Going Tea Leaf Prophecy ('She says I'm leaving now but she don't go' - great sequencing!) Cherokee Louise (orchestral - gorgeous!) Rays' Dad's Cadillac Let the Wind Carry me Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Raised on Robbery Paprika Plains Song for Sharon River Chinese Cafe Harlem in Havana Come in from the Cold Otherwise, if it has to be one original album, I'd probably go for 'Court & Spark' - easy to listen to, a sense of the folky Joni and the jazzy Joni - or, as Marian recommends, 'For the Roses'. Brilliant as they are, Hejira or Blue are more of an acquired taste... Or, make your own compilation - one song from each album. Time consuming, but fun. Regards Michel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Which album? Thanks Michel and all who have answered so thoughtfully. When you said Court and Spark, as did Cassy, I thought yes... that would be good, but then I felt I'd like to give her something deeper than radio-style Joni. My friend is very introspective. Dreamland was sounding good, but I agree with you about the 2002 versions. Thanks for suggesting Songs of a Prairie Girl. My only hesitation is with the rape in Cherokee Louise. My friend is a rape victim. So far though, I'm leaning toward Songs of a Prairie Girl. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Michel BYRNE To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 6:01:29 AM Subject: Which album? Hi Laura, I initially agreed with Bob that Dreamland was your best bet, but then remembered that the versions of 'Amelia' and 'For the Roses' are the tedious, overblown orchestral ones from 2002. Sorry, some people may well love them, but IMO it would be a tragedy for someone to hear Amelia for the first time in that version. (Tragedy's a bit strong, I know...) Another great compilation (the best IMO) is Songs of a Prairie Girl, but Paprika Plains might be a bit much for a 'first timer'... The track list is: Urge for Going Tea Leaf Prophecy ('She says I'm leaving now but she don't go' - great sequencing!) Cherokee Louise (orchestral - gorgeous!) Rays' Dad's Cadillac Let the Wind Carry me Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Raised on Robbery Paprika Plains Song for Sharon River Chinese Cafe Harlem in Havana Come in from the Cold Otherwise, if it has to be one original album, I'd probably go for 'Court & Spark' - easy to listen to, a sense of the folky Joni and the jazzy Joni - or, as Marian recommends, 'For the Roses'. Brilliant as they are, Hejira or Blue are more of an acquired taste... Or, make your own compilation - one song from each album. Time consuming, but fun. Regards Michel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:06:22 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell I vote For the Roses, but that is no surprise :-) One of my treasures from this list is the Live compilation of all of the songs from From the Roses that Bob Muller put together for me. Jerry On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:43 PM, gene wrote: > "For the Roses"~~~gene > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" > To: ; "JMDL" > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:33 PM > Subject: Joni Mitchell > > > "Blue". Next question, please. >> >> Jim L'Hommedieu >> >> Which Joni album should I give my friend who has none?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:01:34 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell It depends on the friend. If the person is shallow and superficial and prefers chopped liver to steak, then give them one of the early-mid 80's albums. ha! (bet that's gonna piss some people off) I'm just kidding (kinda). :P Em - --- On Tue, 2/15/11, gene wrote: From: gene Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell To: "Jim" , sillyseabird7@yahoo.com, "JMDL" Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 9:43 PM "For the Roses"~~~gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: ; "JMDL" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:33 PM Subject: Joni Mitchell > "Blue". Next question, please. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > >>Which Joni album should I give my friend who has none?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:53:25 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Of course you're exactly right, Em. It's like me asking you where I should take my friend for dinner. Without knowing my friend's tastes, how can you make a recommendation? Every year I make musical compilations for my sisters - used to be cassettes, which took forever, and now it's CD's which get made much more quickly but still take time in terms of considerations of what I know about their likes and dislikes. Kind of a clunky Pandora/Netflix genome kind of thing. Having said that, the best solution is to make your own based on what you know about your friend - like Laura said, Cherokee Louise would be much too painful an inclusion. That's why I said Dreamland - it's a real everything-but-the-kitchen sink kind of thing; so is SOAPGirl and also would be a good choice. Misses falls into the same category although it too ignores Joni's earliest work. Hits on the other hand skips most of Joni's later career. The Beginning of Survival is not recommended for ANYONE, particularly if they have suicidal tendencies. (Not to mention the dreaded GHOUL hand on the cover). To give a person a single album (Blue, FTR, C&S, Hejira) would be like giving them a box of chocolate-covered cherries as opposed to a Whitman's sampler - if they love chocolate-covered cherries they'll be disappointed when they find out that boxed chocolates have much more variety and not what they were expecting, and if they don't they won't delve any farther. For someone to not be able to discover the enormous density of Joni's music because they don't care for the stark feel of Blue would be tragic. This logic doesn't necessarily hold true with a lot of artists. But in terms of Joni, with her career arc and diversity, the only and best introduction is a cross-section that displays the spectrum of her work. Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Buttholeville/State Trooper (live)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:29:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Which album? It depends on the friend. If S/He likes the stripped down singer-songwriter thing, I'd say Blue. More pop/rock: Court and Spark. Jazzier: HOSL or Hejira. More experimental: DJRD. All just IMO, of course. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:49:53 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Which album? They all shouls just be assimilated once and for all and FTR all the way baby!!! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Feb 16, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Michael Flaherty wrote: It depends on the friend. If S/He likes the stripped down singer-songwriter thing, I'd say Blue. More pop/rock: Court and Spark. Jazzier: HOSL or Hejira. More experimental: DJRD. All just IMO, of course. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:56:26 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Which album? Let's not forget the live albums - Miles of Aisles and Shadows and Light are both great at exposing someone to Joni's range and of course they contain a broad mix of her classic material, not to mention some very great supporting musicians. Counting the days to the first day of spring when I can do my annual Miles of Aisles Drive Around. First beautiful day of the new season, MOA in the CD player, top down on the car, driving through the countryside! No better way to greet the new season. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:23:37 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Which album? Come to Florida. We do the Miles of Aisles drive around all year round :-) Jerry On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM, wrote: > Let's not forget the live albums - Miles of Aisles and Shadows and Light > are both great at exposing someone to Joni's range and of course they > contain > a broad mix of her classic material, not to mention some very great > supporting musicians. > > Counting the days to the first day of spring when I can do my annual Miles > of Aisles Drive Around. First beautiful day of the new season, MOA in the > CD player, top down on the car, driving through the countryside! No better > way to greet the new season. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:38:48 -0600 From: LC Stanley Subject: Sign off prayer I'm listening to For The Roses trying to decide which album to give my friend, and from Breakfast Barney to the sign off prayer catches my attention. I remember hearing the sign off prayer and being disappointed the radio station was suddenly quiet. The darkness of the night was some how honored by the silence though. Anybody remember hearing the sign off prayer? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:53:19 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Fwd: [judy-collins] Review of first night Cafe Carlyle Wow. A surprise appearance Glen Hansard. And how classy of her to mention George Shearing Jerry - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- An Evening with Judy Collins Reviewed By: Brian Scott Lipton 7 Feb 16, 2011 7 New York  Few performers seem as truly comfortable on stage, or can make an audience feel as comfortable, as Judy Collins doesas was clearly evidenced by the legendary pop-folk singers opening night of An Evening with Judy Collins, her now-annual engagement at the Cafi Carlyle that has become something of a religious pilgrimage for her admirers. What makes Collins show so sui generis is the pairing of her brilliant musicality with her anything-might-happen approach. She consistently interrupts a train of thought to embrace a tangent or deliver a snippet or verse of a beloved tune; shell riff on a recent event, like the Grammy Awards or the passing of Sir George Shearing. If youre really lucky, shell pull a proverbial rabbit out of a hatwhich, on opening night, meant a surprise appearance by Oscar-winning singer-songwriter Glen Hansard (of Once fame), whom she apparently met just a few days ago at a music festival. Be warned, she can be a bit of a tease; she sang some ofbut not allof Leonard Cohens Suzanne as gorgeously as she did nearly five decades ago, but not even a note of Suite: Judy Blue Eyes or Both Sides Now, even after bringing them up in conversation. Still, what songs she chose to treat the crowd to were sparkling gems, each displaying another facet of her fascinating musical personality. The ilan of Joni Mitchells Chelsea Morning, gave way to John Denvers Country Road (Take Me Home) paired with a not-so-somber Leavin on a Jet Plane. Later on, a stunning version of Bob Dylans Mr. Tambourine Man (one of the many singalongs) was slyly paired with a brilliant take on Joan Baezs Diamonds and Rust, a razor-sharp dissection of the pairs love affair. And its not her contemporaries who bring out the best in Collins; she can sing anything or anyone with equal assurance: Jacques Brels Marieke (one of three of the masters tunes performed in sequence); John Lennon and Paul McCartneys Norwegian Wood, Stephen Sondheims I Remember and Send In the Clowns and Harold Arlen and Yip Harburgs Over the Rainbow were just some of the carefully chosen songs enlightened by her crystalline voice and interpretive magic. And yet, theres nothing quite like Collins singing Collinseven if on opening night, she only did two of her classics: the gorgeous Since You Asked and her epic tune The Blizzardabout a woman facing the end of a love affair amid a massive snowstormwhich she performs with an almost unfathomable mixture of pathos and defiance. new photograph at: http://www.theatermania.com/new-york/reviews/02-2011/an-evening-with-judy-col lins_34106.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:40:15 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Sign off prayer I remember when I was a kid hearing the white noise of the TV when my parents fell asleep without turning it off. I usually remember them singing the Star Spangled Banner before signoff. Maybe the prayer is a Canadian thing? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of LC Stanley Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:39 PM To: jonilist JMDL Subject: Sign off prayer I'm listening to For The Roses trying to decide which album to give my friend, and from Breakfast Barney to the sign off prayer catches my attention. I remember hearing the sign off prayer and being disappointed the radio station was suddenly quiet. The darkness of the night was some how honored by the silence though. Anybody remember hearing the sign off prayer? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:53:01 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Hmm...I seem to remember a lot kvetching about those compilation cds when they first started coming out. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:53 AM To: Em Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Of course you're exactly right, Em. It's like me asking you where I should take my friend for dinner. Without knowing my friend's tastes, how can you make a recommendation? Every year I make musical compilations for my sisters - used to be cassettes, which took forever, and now it's CD's which get made much more quickly but still take time in terms of considerations of what I know about their likes and dislikes. Kind of a clunky Pandora/Netflix genome kind of thing. Having said that, the best solution is to make your own based on what you know about your friend - like Laura said, Cherokee Louise would be much too painful an inclusion. That's why I said Dreamland - it's a real everything-but-the-kitchen sink kind of thing; so is SOAPGirl and also would be a good choice. Misses falls into the same category although it too ignores Joni's earliest work. Hits on the other hand skips most of Joni's later career. The Beginning of Survival is not recommended for ANYONE, particularly if they have suicidal tendencies. (Not to mention the dreaded GHOUL hand on the cover). To give a person a single album (Blue, FTR, C&S, Hejira) would be like giving them a box of chocolate-covered cherries as opposed to a Whitman's sampler - if they love chocolate-covered cherries they'll be disappointed when they find out that boxed chocolates have much more variety and not what they were expecting, and if they don't they won't delve any farther. For someone to not be able to discover the enormous density of Joni's music because they don't care for the stark feel of Blue would be tragic. This logic doesn't necessarily hold true with a lot of artists. But in terms of Joni, with her career arc and diversity, the only and best introduction is a cross-section that displays the spectrum of her work. Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Buttholeville/State Trooper (live)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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