From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #31 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 29 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 031 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 30 Rock ["Randy Remote" ] Re: 30 Rock [Catherine McKay ] Re: Marcie [Mags ] Re: Marcie [Lc Stanley ] Re: Marcie [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Marcie [Mags ] Re: Marcie [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Marcie [LC Stanley ] Group tickets for Joni's Jazz [] Re: Group tickets for Joni's Jazz [Jim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:33:26 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: 30 Rock In the opening of tonight's episode, "Operation Righteous Cowboy Lightning", as Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin's characters are watching GE's corporate logo being changed to Kabletown, Fey says "It seems like someone should sing 'The Circle Game' right now." RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 05:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 30 Rock Liz is walking down the sidewalk. Spots Jack standing, looking up at the 30 Rock building. Stops to talk. Liz: Doesn't matter how long you've lived in New York. It's still fun to look up and pretend all the buildings are giant severed robot penises. Jack: Be quiet, Lemon. it's happening. They look up to the top of the building. Bells are chiming the hour and the lighted sign at the top of the building changes from GE to Cabletown logo. Liz: Wow! Out with GE In with Cabletown. Seems like one of us should sing "The Circle Game" right now. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Me: I guess it's Kabletown with a K? The logo looks like a big C with a smaller K inside.) - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Randy Remote > To: Joni > Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 12:33:26 AM > Subject: 30 Rock > > In the opening of tonight's episode, "Operation Righteous > Cowboy Lightning", as Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin's > characters are watching GE's corporate logo being changed > to Kabletown, Fey says "It seems like someone should > sing 'The Circle Game' right now." > RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Marcie I concur with your impressions of Marcie. After reading your post, I turned to the complete poems and lyrics of Joni Mitchell to revisit my impressions. I feel that song, as it is filled with heart aching yearning, a waiting for love to return, even if that means in the form of a letter. I love this song too, it is haunting and beautiful. I guess I've always found comfort in melancholy ;-) Not to start a petty war or anything, however, I see/feel this is about the lonely Marcie, not about life, at all . Mags > > I decided to delurk and respond to this post.......I > actually do believe > this story about Marcie -and I believe it hook, line and > sinker !!. > > I personally don't think this song is "about life and not > really a man" as > you suggested. To me - "Both Side Now" is that song you > refer to about > "Life" - and not Marcie. Marcie (to me) is clearly > about a man she is > waiting for to write her a letter and reappear in her life > but never does. > The name Marcie may be based on this girl from London but > the experience is > still Joni's - yes?? Do you agree?? > > Marcie is one of my very favorite songs off of one my > favorite > albums....and thanks for the link to the article - I had > never seen that > before..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Marcie Hi Mags, That's the nice thing about Joni's songs... we can see/feel whatever we do. They are diamonds with many different facets. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Mags To: joni@smoe.org; Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 8:28:39 AM Subject: Re: Marcie I concur with your impressions of Marcie. After reading your post, I turned to the complete poems and lyrics of Joni Mitchell to revisit my impressions. I feel that song, as it is filled with heart aching yearning, a waiting for love to return, even if that means in the form of a letter. I love this song too, it is haunting and beautiful. I guess I've always found comfort in melancholy ;-) Not to start a petty war or anything, however, I see/feel this is about the lonely Marcie, not about life, at all . Mags > > I decided to delurk and respond to this post.......I > actually do believe > this story about Marcie -and I believe it hook, line and > sinker !!. > > I personally don't think this song is "about life and not > really a man" as > you suggested. To me - "Both Side Now" is that song you > refer to about > "Life" - and not Marcie. Marcie (to me) is clearly > about a man she is > waiting for to write her a letter and reappear in her life > but never does. > The name Marcie may be based on this girl from London but > the experience is > still Joni's - yes?? Do you agree?? > > Marcie is one of my very favorite songs off of one my > favorite > albums....and thanks for the link to the article - I had > never seen that > before..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:41:10 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Re: Marcie Hi Laura and Mags, Everyone has their own take and interpretation of these songs.......I was just sharing mine since it was in contrast to Laura's. I have always connected "Marcie" to "I Had A King"(about her ex Chuck Mitchell) and "Michael from Mountains" (about another lost lover whose magic seems to be cherished and adored in the song) My mental image is simply of each song having a distinct character of a magical fleeting moment in her life with someone specific. That's why I am always surprised when someone has a totally different take or image - but I agree.............Joni's songs are diamonds that paint real images in your brain........ |------------> | From: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Lc Stanley | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | To: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Mags , joni@smoe.org, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Date: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |01/28/2011 10:22 AM | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Subject: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Re: Marcie | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hi Mags, That's the nice thing about Joni's songs... we can see/feel whatever we do. They are diamonds with many different facets. Love, Laura From: Mags To: joni@smoe.org; Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com.. Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 8:28:39 AM Subject: Re: Marcie I concur with your impressions of Marcie. After reading your post, I turned to the complete poems and lyrics of Joni Mitchell to revisit my impressions. I feel that song, as it is filled with heart aching yearning, a waiting for love to return, even if that means in the form of a letter. I love this song too, it is haunting and beautiful. I guess I've always found comfort in melancholy ;-) Not to start a petty war or anything, however, I see/feel this is about the lonely Marcie, not about life, at all . Mags > > I decided to delurk and respond to this post.......I > actually do believe > this story about Marcie -and I believe it hook, line and > sinker !!. > > I personally don't think this song is "about life and not > really a man" as > you suggested. To me - "Both Side Now" is that song you > refer to about > "Life" - and not Marcie. Marcie (to me) is clearly > about a man she is > waiting for to write her a letter and reappear in her life > but never does. > The name Marcie may be based on this girl from London but > the experience is > still Joni's - yes?? Do you agree?? > > Marcie is one of my very favorite songs off of one my > favorite > albums....and thanks for the link to the article - I had > never seen that > before..... - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:28:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Marcie I, too, am happy to read different interpretations...and am open to them as well. This is what makes a discussion list, after all ;) I no longer have this CD (have it in album format though)and with that said, I can still hear the songs playing round in my head. I love that about Joni's music. Little phrases pop in at the most convenient times when it's sometimes hard to find the words or ways of giving expression to a thought. I also like that I can find myself relating to many of the experiences that Joni sings/writes/paints; and I know others here have expressed that very thing. If one song can evoke responses in and of itself, then that's a wonderful thing :-)) as Joni says, never mind what a song means to me, tell me what it means to you. I love that. Sharing in the most intimate of ways~ Mags, looking forward to more~ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:28:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Marcie Hi Mark! I have enjoyed everybody's contribution to this thread without being able to add much to it, but I just wanted to say that I really like your comparison with painterly techniques. That is really well observed. Also, I am sure that you are right about the intimacy of a venue facilitating the story telling. Apart from that, I personally think it is pointless to wonder who Marcie is or where she is. I am just grateful for the picture in music and words that the song gives me, which I am sure leaves a different imprint on everybody who hears it. All the best, Lieve ________________________________ From: Mark To: Susan Tierney McNamara ; joni Sent: Fri, 28 January, 2011 3:01:50 Subject: Re: Marcie Painting is a great metaphor. And, just like most painting of the last century or so, the goal is not to make a photographic reproduction of reality. We just saw a Picasso exhibit at the Seattle Art Museum and listening to the audio commentary and reading the placards next to the paintings and sculptures was fascinating. Picasso restructured visual reality in his paintings. Joni does this too with the lyrics of her songs, albeit not as drastically as Picasso did. The origin of the songs are real people or relationships or stories. But Joni the painter enhances, rearranges, shades or highlights this or that and maybe shifts a perspective or alters a color here and there to produce the magical end results. That's what I think, anyway. I feel that Joni somewhere along the line began to close up a bit in large venues. I was always struck by how the audiences kept almost completely quiet until the very last notes of most of the songs on 'Miles of Aisles'. I wish I could have been at one of those concerts or, even better at one of those early shows in a small club. By contrast, the 'Shadows and Light' audiences are much rowdier and, maybe just because of editing, there are no stories like the famous 'Paint a 'Starry Night' again, man!' She still seems to be having fun, but not quite as relaxed and at ease as, for a later example, in the intimate atmosphere of the 'Painting With Words and Music' taping. You can hear a more relaxed Joni in the recording of the Wells Fargo, Gene Autry Museum show as well. I love her story about being Dale Evans (alas, not Roy Rogers) with the neighborhood boys when she was a kid. Maybe because of the VG-8, maybe because of rude audiences that wouldn't sit still or shut up during the Gorge concerts in '98, there were no stories and very little talk from Joni, as I recall. I'll have to dig out the bootleg recording and listen to it again. But it just seems to me that Joni loosens up a lot more in an intimate venue and seems much happier. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:44 AM To: Gerald Notaro Cc: est86mlm@ameritech.net ; joni@smoe.org ; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com ; Bob Muller Subject: RE: Marcie Yes, painting is a great metaphor for what she does. On Bob's point too of what it would have been like at those early performances, you can almost sense the wonder in the audience, like she has them mesmerized. I know Pat Boland can talk to this. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Notaro Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:38 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: est86mlm@ameritech.net; joni@smoe.org; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Marcie Great post, Sue. And exactly the reason she warns us not to decipher or take her too literally. She is painting a real house, but it is most likely the house next door. So don't go trying to find in in the specific work she created. It is part of her genius. She just gives you enough for it to seem real.... Jerry On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Yes, this makes me think that most of Joni's songs are conglomerates of > many situations and feelings, sounds etc. I listened to A LOT of early Joni > last year while tabbing some of her unreleased songs, and I got such a > charge out of her showmanship. She would go into these venues, with just > her guitar and not only perform an amazing body of work, but also spin these > wonderful dialogues. As I listened to several different shows, the same > story would come up (with little differences) but you could tell that the > intent was to "entertain" not so much to explain her songwriting process. I > especially loved the story she would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a > daydreamer out on a date with a teenage girl who had a burning crush on him. > It's almost like a small playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how Joni > really came up with the song (IMHO). > > I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience changed how Joni > felt about performing. The image of her turning on the audience at Isle of > Wight to tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of an angry version of > her earlier banter. > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com > Subject: Marcie > > Laura & Sue, > > Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... > > Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. > > She says: > > "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each > other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of > each other. > My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's > religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly > Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. > > 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who > walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? > > "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I > used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in > all these songs. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 > > > > Laura > > > > ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell > in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and > sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:08:34 -0600 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Marcie Hi Lieve, The imprint changes for me almost every time I listen to a Joni song. Her songs never cease to amaze and move me. And playing them is an even deeper listening for me. Love, Laura On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Hi Mark! I have enjoyed everybody's contribution to this thread without being > able to add much to it, but I just wanted to say that I really like your > comparison with painterly techniques. That is really well observed. > Also, I > am sure that you are right about the intimacy of a venue facilitating > the > story telling. > > Apart from that, I personally think it is pointless to wonder > who Marcie is or > where she is. I am just grateful for the picture in music > and words that the > song gives me, which I am sure leaves a different imprint > on everybody who hears > it. > All the best, Lieve > ________________________________ > From: Mark > To: > Susan Tierney McNamara ; joni > Sent: Fri, 28 > January, 2011 3:01:50 > Subject: Re: Marcie > > Painting is a great metaphor. And, > just like most painting of the last century > or so, the goal is not to make a > photographic reproduction of reality. We just > saw a Picasso exhibit at the > Seattle Art Museum and listening to the audio > commentary and reading the > placards next to the paintings and sculptures was > fascinating. Picasso > restructured visual reality in his paintings. Joni does > this too with the > lyrics of her songs, albeit not as drastically as Picasso > did. The origin of > the songs are real people or relationships or stories. But > Joni the painter > enhances, rearranges, shades or highlights this or that and > maybe shifts a > perspective or alters a color here and there to produce the > magical end > results. That's what I think, anyway. > > I feel that Joni somewhere along the > line began to close up a bit in large > venues. I was always struck by how the > audiences kept almost completely quiet > until the very last notes of most of > the songs on 'Miles of Aisles'. I wish I > could have been at one of those > concerts or, even better at one of those early > shows in a small club. > > By > contrast, the 'Shadows and Light' audiences are much rowdier and, maybe just > because of editing, there are no stories like the famous 'Paint a 'Starry > Night' > again, man!' She still seems to be having fun, but not quite as > relaxed and at > ease as, for a later example, in the intimate atmosphere of > the 'Painting With > Words and Music' taping. You can hear a more relaxed Joni > in the recording of > the Wells Fargo, Gene Autry Museum show as well. I love > her story about being > Dale Evans (alas, not Roy Rogers) with the neighborhood > boys when she was a kid. > > Maybe because of the VG-8, maybe because of rude > audiences that wouldn't sit > still or shut up during the Gorge concerts in > '98, there were no stories and > very little talk from Joni, as I recall. I'll > have to dig out the bootleg > recording and listen to it again. But it just > seems to me that Joni loosens up > a lot more in an intimate venue and seems > much happier. > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney > McNamara > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:44 AM > To: Gerald Notaro > Cc: > est86mlm@ameritech.net ; joni@smoe.org ; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com ; Bob > Muller > Subject: RE: Marcie > > Yes, painting is a great metaphor for what she does. On > Bob's point too of what > it would have been like at those early performances, > you can almost sense the > wonder in the audience, like she has them > mesmerized. I know Pat Boland can > talk to this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald > Notaro > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:38 AM > To: Susan Tierney McNamara > Cc: est86mlm@ameritech.net; joni@smoe.org; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com > Subject: > Re: Marcie > > Great post, Sue. And exactly the reason she warns us not to > decipher or take > her too literally. She is painting a real house, but it is > most likely the > house next door. So don't go trying to find in in the specific > work she > created. It is part of her genius. She just gives you enough for it > to seem > real.... > > Jerry > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Susan Tierney > McNamara > wrote: > >> Yes, this makes me think that most of > Joni's songs are conglomerates of >> many situations and feelings, sounds etc. > I listened to A LOT of early Joni >> last year while tabbing some of her > unreleased songs, and I got such a >> charge out of her showmanship. She would > go into these venues, with just >> her guitar and not only perform an amazing > body of work, but also spin these >> wonderful dialogues. As I listened to > several different shows, the same >> story would come up (with little > differences) but you could tell that the >> intent was to "entertain" not so > much to explain her songwriting process. I >> especially loved the story she > would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a >> daydreamer out on a date with a > teenage girl who had a burning crush on him. >> It's almost like a small > playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how Joni >> really came up with the > song (IMHO). >> >> I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience > changed how Joni >> felt about performing. The image of her turning on the > audience at Isle of >> Wight to tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of > an angry version of >> her earlier banter. >> >> Sue >> >> -----Original > Message----- >> From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] >> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Cc: Susan > Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com >> Subject: Marcie >> >> Laura & Sue, >> >> Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... >> >> Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. >> >> She says: >> >> "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never > knew each >> other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a > lot of >> each other. >> My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of > Leonard's >> religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly >> Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. >> >> 'Marcie' is about a girl > waiting for a letter that never comes, who >> walks out of the last verse to go > west again. Is Marcie Joni? >> >> "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, > she lives in London. I >> used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. > But I'm the girl in >> all these songs. >> >> > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 >> >> >> >> Laura >> >> >> >> > ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell >> > in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and >> > sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:13:42 -0800 From: Subject: Group tickets for Joni's Jazz This was posted on the JMDL Facebook page and Julius asked me to post it here, too. I think he has around 20 people reserved so far. Please email Julius if you are interested. Kakki Here is his post: I'm making arrangements to secure a block of tickets at the group rate for the Joni's Jazz concert at the Hollywood Bowl on August 17, 2011 at 8 p.m. in Los Angeles. These will be very good seats in the 1st and 2nd row of a section directly behind the patrons' boxes (K2). Tickets will be priced at $25.00 each. That's right, 25 bucks. Please email me at jraymills@aol.com ASAP if interested. I plan to place the order on February 1, 2011... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Subject: Re: Group tickets for Joni's Jazz Put me down for one Kakki and Julius and I'll bring the potato salad - lol. Julius, my ph. number is 713-398-7774 or eMail me with details on payment arrangements. I see if we can get a block of 25 we get seat cushions. Jim Traweek - --- On Fri, 1/28/11, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > Subject: Group tickets for Joni's Jazz > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: jraymills@aol.com > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 8:13 PM > This was posted on the JMDL Facebook > page and Julius asked me to post it here, > too. I think he has around 20 people reserved so > far. Please email Julius if > you are interested. Kakki > > Here is his post: > > I'm making arrangements to secure a block of tickets at the > group rate for the > Joni's Jazz concert at the Hollywood Bowl on August 17, > 2011 at 8 p.m. in Los > Angeles. These will be very good seats in the 1st and 2nd > row of a section > directly behind the patrons' boxes (K2). Tickets will be > priced at $25.00 > each. That's right, 25 bucks. Please email me at jraymills@aol.com > ASAP if > interested. I plan to place the order on February 1, > 2011... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #31 **************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------