From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 22 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 023 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Lakota [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Lakota - give a listen! [Bob Muller ] RE: Community v Society NJC [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Community v Society NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Community v Society NJC [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Community v Society NJC [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Community v Society NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: N.O. jazzfest line up NJC [Jim ] Bright Light therapy, Seasonal Affective Disorder or SAD njc [Jim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:22:50 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Lakota Steve and 'Shadows & Light' - I'd love to hear what you can remember of Lakota live! When it's such a multi-layered (not to say overproduced) sound on 'Chalkmark', it's hard to imagine how she could have done it in concert... THanks! Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:06:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Lakota - give a listen! Michel & all, It actually sounds A LOT like "The Windfall (Everything For Nothing)" live. But don't take MY word for it, download and listen for yourself. Here's the entire San Remo gig, only (7) tracks as follows: San Remo Song Festival San Remo, Italy; October 22, 1988 1. Intro 2. Lakota 3. Hejira 4. Number One 5. Night Ride Home 6. Award Presentation 7. Passion Play (In Progress) More information and some photos from the show here: http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/detail.cfm?id=1620 (thanks Simon!) Download the show: http://tinyurl.com/4wxssos Bob NP: Tennis, "Waterbirds" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Michel BYRNE To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 5:22:50 AM Subject: Lakota Steve and 'Shadows & Light' - I'd love to hear what you can remember of Lakota live! When it's such a multi-layered (not to say overproduced) sound on 'Chalkmark', it's hard to imagine how she could have done it in concert... THanks! Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:19:27 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Community v Society NJC Thanks Lucy! I promised myself that I would attend a European Jonifest the next time it came up. My only hesitation is that your fest is a month before my daughter's wedding and I need to save money for that event. That said, I will run a budget of how much it would cost to get to London, and if I can swing it, I will be there. The SoCal fest with Dave, Robin & Co was so amazing, I would love to be there in UK with you all again. Stay tuned!! :-) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Hone [mailto:aurabright@supanet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:02 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Community v Society NJC Hello everyone I am enjoying the banter on here. Sue Tierney- McNamara has prompted me to write as the emergence of a FB clan seems to have upset some people and inspired others. I think there is room for it all. I think of FB as an extension of this list. I don't particularly think there is a conflict but FB is a place of quick interactions, where your thoughts are fleeting and quickly responded to in a one on one -" just for the moment" way....A sort of "let's go outside and have a smoke on the decking" at Joni Fest (not that I smoke anymore). I have always been a bit of a lurker on here but remain interested none the less. This list has such a special place in my life as does the music of Joni. I have been a member for only 8 years now - some of you have been here much much longer. In those years I have met some wonderful people at Fests - just as Sue has mentioned below. I have attended one at Full Moon - 2003, one at an orchard in the middle of the Corbieres in South West France 2005, and also ran the UK Fest of 2008 (and have another one planned for this August - places still available - contact me) This list and the people on it have a place in my life. I have been grateful more times than I can count for having made the acquaintance of people I love and trust as personal friends Sue, get yourself on a plane, come to the UK, come and see the wonderful Holycombe and chill for 4 days with people you will enjoy. It is such an intimate venue with a maximum of 30 people and you will love it. See Dave Blackburn's photos on FB - they are what FEST is all about. Any one else want to come ? Get in touch.. Love to all Queen Lulu! 19 Jan 2011 10:38:13 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Facebook NJC Whoa, a sociological discussion! Thanks Mike! I think a true test of this is if a person feels comfort in the Gemeinschaft and alienated in the Gesellschaft. I love technology but I often feel that it is not a replacement for real human socialization or intimacy. In this respect, I feel that both the list and Facebook are dimensions of Gesellschaft and Jonifests are Gemeinschaft! So I've stayed out of the JMDL vs Facebook debate because I feel that both venues are great for the exchange of ideas. I enjoy Facebook because of the more visual interaction. JMDL is more cerebral, which I enjoy, too. But nothing beats hanging out with my Joni buds at a warm dinner with sharing of music, laughter and love at a Jonifest. As an introvert I have to balance my natural tendency to isolate in technology with my need for face to face intimacy. Love, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:27:06 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Community v Society NJC Move the wedding Sue... Fest is so much more important. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA It is what Joni herself would do! (NOT) Well have a think about it all and let me know, there is room still. I shall stay tuned in. xx Lucy - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:19 PM To: Lucy Hone ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Community v Society NJC Thanks Lucy! I promised myself that I would attend a European Jonifest the next time it came up. My only hesitation is that your fest is a month before my daughter's wedding and I need to save money for that event. That said, I will run a budget of how much it would cost to get to London, and if I can swing it, I will be there. The SoCal fest with Dave, Robin & Co was so amazing, I would love to be there in UK with you all again. Stay tuned!! :-) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Hone [mailto:aurabright@supanet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:02 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Community v Society NJC Hello everyone I am enjoying the banter on here. Sue Tierney- McNamara has prompted me to write as the emergence of a FB clan seems to have upset some people and inspired others. I think there is room for it all. I think of FB as an extension of this list. I don't particularly think there is a conflict but FB is a place of quick interactions, where your thoughts are fleeting and quickly responded to in a one on one -" just for the moment" way....A sort of "let's go outside and have a smoke on the decking" at Joni Fest (not that I smoke anymore). I have always been a bit of a lurker on here but remain interested none the less. This list has such a special place in my life as does the music of Joni. I have been a member for only 8 years now - some of you have been here much much longer. In those years I have met some wonderful people at Fests - just as Sue has mentioned below. I have attended one at Full Moon - 2003, one at an orchard in the middle of the Corbieres in South West France 2005, and also ran the UK Fest of 2008 (and have another one planned for this August - places still available - contact me) This list and the people on it have a place in my life. I have been grateful more times than I can count for having made the acquaintance of people I love and trust as personal friends Sue, get yourself on a plane, come to the UK, come and see the wonderful Holycombe and chill for 4 days with people you will enjoy. It is such an intimate venue with a maximum of 30 people and you will love it. See Dave Blackburn's photos on FB - they are what FEST is all about. Any one else want to come ? Get in touch.. Love to all Queen Lulu! 19 Jan 2011 10:38:13 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Facebook NJC Whoa, a sociological discussion! Thanks Mike! I think a true test of this is if a person feels comfort in the Gemeinschaft and alienated in the Gesellschaft. I love technology but I often feel that it is not a replacement for real human socialization or intimacy. In this respect, I feel that both the list and Facebook are dimensions of Gesellschaft and Jonifests are Gemeinschaft! So I've stayed out of the JMDL vs Facebook debate because I feel that both venues are great for the exchange of ideas. I enjoy Facebook because of the more visual interaction. JMDL is more cerebral, which I enjoy, too. But nothing beats hanging out with my Joni buds at a warm dinner with sharing of music, laughter and love at a Jonifest. As an introvert I have to balance my natural tendency to isolate in technology with my need for face to face intimacy. Love, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:35:59 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Community v Society NJC Can your daughter sing along to all the words in Coyote while acting it out in pantomime? I think not. Decision made. On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Lucy Hone wrote: > Move the wedding Sue... Fest is so much more important. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA > > It is what Joni herself would do! (NOT) > > Well have a think about it all and let me know, there is room still. > > I shall stay tuned in. > xx > Lucy > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:19 PM > To: Lucy Hone ; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Community v Society NJC > > Thanks Lucy! I promised myself that I would attend a European Jonifest the next time it came up. My only hesitation is that your fest is a month before my daughter's wedding and I need to save money for that event. That said, I will run a budget of how much it would cost to get to London, and if I can swing it, I will be there. The SoCal fest with Dave, Robin & Co was so amazing, I would love to be there in UK with you all again. Stay tuned!! :-) > > Take care, Sue > > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucy Hone [mailto:aurabright@supanet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:02 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: Community v Society NJC > > > Hello everyone > > I am enjoying the banter on here. Sue Tierney- McNamara has prompted me to > write as the emergence of a FB clan seems to have upset some people and > inspired others. I think there is room for it all. I think of FB as an > extension of this list. I don't particularly think there is a conflict but > FB is a place of quick interactions, where your thoughts are fleeting and > quickly responded to in a one on one -" just for the moment" way....A sort > of "let's go outside and have a smoke on the decking" at Joni Fest (not that > I smoke anymore). > > I have always been a bit of a lurker on here but remain interested none the > less. This list has such a special place in my life as does the music of > Joni. I have been a member for only 8 years now - some of you have been here > much much longer. In those years I have met some wonderful people at Fests - > just as Sue has mentioned below. I have attended one at Full Moon - 2003, > one at an orchard in the middle of the Corbieres in South West France 2005, > and also ran the UK Fest of 2008 (and have another one planned for this > August - places still available - contact me) > > This list and the people on it have a place in my life. I have been grateful > more times than I can count for having made the acquaintance of people I > love and trust as personal friends > > Sue, get yourself on a plane, come to the UK, come and see the wonderful > Holycombe and chill for 4 days with people you will enjoy. It is such an > intimate venue with a maximum of 30 people and you will love it. See Dave > Blackburn's photos on FB - they are what FEST is all about. > > Any one else want to come ? Get in touch.. > > Love to all > Queen Lulu! > > 19 Jan 2011 10:38:13 -0500 > From: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Facebook NJC > > Whoa, a sociological discussion! Thanks Mike! > > I think a true test of this is if a person feels comfort in the Gemeinschaft > and alienated in the Gesellschaft. I love technology but I often feel that > it is not a replacement for real human socialization or intimacy. In this > respect, I feel that both the list and Facebook are dimensions of > Gesellschaft and Jonifests are Gemeinschaft! So I've stayed out of the JMDL > vs Facebook debate because I feel that both venues are great for the > exchange of ideas. I enjoy Facebook because of the more visual interaction. > JMDL is more cerebral, which I enjoy, too. But nothing beats hanging out > with my Joni buds at a warm dinner with sharing of music, laughter and love > at a Jonifest. As an introvert I have to balance my natural tendency to > isolate in technology with my need for face to face intimacy. > > Love, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:08:12 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Community v Society NJC Oh Boy now that's convincing. How can I pass that up? :-) - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:36 AM To: Lucy Hone Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Community v Society NJC Can your daughter sing along to all the words in Coyote while acting it out in pantomime? I think not. Decision made. On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Lucy Hone wrote: > Move the wedding Sue... Fest is so much more important. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA > > It is what Joni herself would do! (NOT) > > Well have a think about it all and let me know, there is room still. > > I shall stay tuned in. > xx > Lucy > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:19 PM > To: Lucy Hone ; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Community v Society NJC > > Thanks Lucy! I promised myself that I would attend a European Jonifest the next time it came up. My only hesitation is that your fest is a month before my daughter's wedding and I need to save money for that event. That said, I will run a budget of how much it would cost to get to London, and if I can swing it, I will be there. The SoCal fest with Dave, Robin & Co was so amazing, I would love to be there in UK with you all again. Stay tuned!! :-) > > Take care, Sue > > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucy Hone [mailto:aurabright@supanet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:02 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: Community v Society NJC > > > Hello everyone > > I am enjoying the banter on here. Sue Tierney- McNamara has prompted me to > write as the emergence of a FB clan seems to have upset some people and > inspired others. I think there is room for it all. I think of FB as an > extension of this list. I don't particularly think there is a conflict but > FB is a place of quick interactions, where your thoughts are fleeting and > quickly responded to in a one on one -" just for the moment" way....A sort > of "let's go outside and have a smoke on the decking" at Joni Fest (not that > I smoke anymore). > > I have always been a bit of a lurker on here but remain interested none the > less. This list has such a special place in my life as does the music of > Joni. I have been a member for only 8 years now - some of you have been here > much much longer. In those years I have met some wonderful people at Fests - > just as Sue has mentioned below. I have attended one at Full Moon - 2003, > one at an orchard in the middle of the Corbieres in South West France 2005, > and also ran the UK Fest of 2008 (and have another one planned for this > August - places still available - contact me) > > This list and the people on it have a place in my life. I have been grateful > more times than I can count for having made the acquaintance of people I > love and trust as personal friends > > Sue, get yourself on a plane, come to the UK, come and see the wonderful > Holycombe and chill for 4 days with people you will enjoy. It is such an > intimate venue with a maximum of 30 people and you will love it. See Dave > Blackburn's photos on FB - they are what FEST is all about. > > Any one else want to come ? Get in touch.. > > Love to all > Queen Lulu! > > 19 Jan 2011 10:38:13 -0500 > From: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Facebook NJC > > Whoa, a sociological discussion! Thanks Mike! > > I think a true test of this is if a person feels comfort in the Gemeinschaft > and alienated in the Gesellschaft. I love technology but I often feel that > it is not a replacement for real human socialization or intimacy. In this > respect, I feel that both the list and Facebook are dimensions of > Gesellschaft and Jonifests are Gemeinschaft! So I've stayed out of the JMDL > vs Facebook debate because I feel that both venues are great for the > exchange of ideas. I enjoy Facebook because of the more visual interaction. > JMDL is more cerebral, which I enjoy, too. But nothing beats hanging out > with my Joni buds at a warm dinner with sharing of music, laughter and love > at a Jonifest. As an introvert I have to balance my natural tendency to > isolate in technology with my need for face to face intimacy. > > Love, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:10:28 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Community v Society NJC So I take it Sue was Star Turn at SoCal fest then ! PICTURES PLEASE There is one double bedroom available Dave! Luce xx - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:35 PM To: Lucy Hone Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara ; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Community v Society NJC Can your daughter sing along to all the words in Coyote while acting it out in pantomime? I think not. Decision made. On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Lucy Hone wrote: > Move the wedding Sue... Fest is so much more important. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA > > It is what Joni herself would do! (NOT) > > Well have a think about it all and let me know, there is room still. > > I shall stay tuned in. > xx > Lucy > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:19 PM > To: Lucy Hone ; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Community v Society NJC > > Thanks Lucy! I promised myself that I would attend a European Jonifest > the next time it came up. My only hesitation is that your fest is a month > before my daughter's wedding and I need to save money for that event. > That said, I will run a budget of how much it would cost to get to London, > and if I can swing it, I will be there. The SoCal fest with Dave, Robin & > Co was so amazing, I would love to be there in UK with you all again. > Stay tuned!! :-) > > Take care, Sue > > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucy Hone [mailto:aurabright@supanet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:02 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: Community v Society NJC > > > Hello everyone > > I am enjoying the banter on here. Sue Tierney- McNamara has prompted me to > write as the emergence of a FB clan seems to have upset some people and > inspired others. I think there is room for it all. I think of FB as an > extension of this list. I don't particularly think there is a conflict but > FB is a place of quick interactions, where your thoughts are fleeting and > quickly responded to in a one on one -" just for the moment" way....A sort > of "let's go outside and have a smoke on the decking" at Joni Fest (not > that > I smoke anymore). > > I have always been a bit of a lurker on here but remain interested none > the > less. This list has such a special place in my life as does the music of > Joni. I have been a member for only 8 years now - some of you have been > here > much much longer. In those years I have met some wonderful people at > Fests - > just as Sue has mentioned below. I have attended one at Full Moon - 2003, > one at an orchard in the middle of the Corbieres in South West France > 2005, > and also ran the UK Fest of 2008 (and have another one planned for this > August - places still available - contact me) > > This list and the people on it have a place in my life. I have been > grateful > more times than I can count for having made the acquaintance of people I > love and trust as personal friends > > Sue, get yourself on a plane, come to the UK, come and see the wonderful > Holycombe and chill for 4 days with people you will enjoy. It is such an > intimate venue with a maximum of 30 people and you will love it. See Dave > Blackburn's photos on FB - they are what FEST is all about. > > Any one else want to come ? Get in touch.. > > Love to all > Queen Lulu! > > 19 Jan 2011 10:38:13 -0500 > From: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Facebook NJC > > Whoa, a sociological discussion! Thanks Mike! > > I think a true test of this is if a person feels comfort in the > Gemeinschaft > and alienated in the Gesellschaft. I love technology but I often feel > that > it is not a replacement for real human socialization or intimacy. In this > respect, I feel that both the list and Facebook are dimensions of > Gesellschaft and Jonifests are Gemeinschaft! So I've stayed out of the > JMDL > vs Facebook debate because I feel that both venues are great for the > exchange of ideas. I enjoy Facebook because of the more visual > interaction. > JMDL is more cerebral, which I enjoy, too. But nothing beats hanging out > with my Joni buds at a warm dinner with sharing of music, laughter and > love > at a Jonifest. As an introvert I have to balance my natural tendency to > isolate in technology with my need for face to face intimacy. > > Love, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Subject: Re: N.O. jazzfest line up NJC I have my "budget hotel" booked for the 2nd weekend of JazzFest but if the Magnificant Mr. Paz comes up with a group room rate deal, my room is easily cancelable. And, as usual, anyone needing airport/Amtrak pickup for the 2nd weekend, let me know. Jim PazJazzFest Rocks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:02:31 -0500 From: Jim Subject: Bright Light therapy, Seasonal Affective Disorder or SAD njc Some people have depression or sleep too much only during the dark months of winter. This page has a brief video discussing it. http://apollolighttherapy.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:49:06 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I tonight I heard -- for the very first time in the 25 years I've been listening to it -- the "cough, cough" near the end of "Smokin' (Empty, Try Another). I was startled, and I can't believe I've never heard it before. Must be the combination of running my iPod through my stereo while being enclosed in my car as I drove to Sacramento (through Davis ... and, btw, MG says hi). Twenty-five years later, I still love DED. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #23 **************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------