From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #12 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 14 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 012 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cherry Vanilla & Holly Woodlawn books [Ken ] Buckingham/Nicks NJC [Ken ] Re: Buckingham/Nicks NJC now with bonus JC added! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] San Fran screening of 1972 Joni-related film [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] New Library item: Seal pups rescued in Scarborough [TheStaff@JoniMitchell] Re: Quiz (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Quiz (NJC) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" ["Randy Remote" ] Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: up for discussion NJC money for nothing [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing [Em ] and did you know? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing [Lc Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:03:11 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Cherry Vanilla & Holly Woodlawn books VERY interesting! Two more books to put on my "wish list." Thanks, guys. Kenny B Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:30:36 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:40:23 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" My, my. Fascinating. The 70's was a fun time! Reminds me of one of my favorite books, A Low Life In High Heels by Cherry's cohort Holly Woodlawn. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:16:20 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Buckingham/Nicks NJC NP: Buckingham-Nicks, "Frozen Love" (as good as anything the Mac did) I had to reply re: that Buckingham/Nicks album, Bob. My cousin's son found a copy (on vinyl, of course) and asked me to make a CD of it for him. As I was copying the songs onto my computer, I was listening, saying, "Wow, this is as good or better than anything Fleetwood Mac ever did. Glad you agree. BTW, are you/were you a Laura Nyro fan? I just picked up the 1993 release, Walk the Dog and Light the Light... an excellent Nyro album with two "stand outs" for me: Phil Spector's "Oh, yeah, maybe baby (the heebee jeebies)" and a superior remake of Laura's "To a Child," from her 1984 Mother's Spiritual record. Hope the new year finds you in good health, enjoying yourself. Kenny B = ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:45:59 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Buckingham/Nicks NJC now with bonus JC added! Hey Kenny, and Happy New Year to you and your family. It is one of the great musical crimes that this album was never released on CD (not legally at least, bootlegs abound with lots of bonus tracks). Contract disputes or some such. Anyway, it's funny that this album and Laura Nyro are coming up in the same conversation as I purchased a Phillips CD burner over 10 years ago mainly to record the Buckingham-Nicks album and Nyro's "Nested" to CD. I also wanted to convert all the live Joni bootlegs to CD, but I digress. Anyway, I LOVED "Nested" but was not fully immersed in Laura's work until some discussions here about NY Tenderberry and Christmas & The Beads of Sweat. Got those 2 and loved them, and through the years have accumulated her entire catalogue + lots of live stuff thanks to Notaro, Gary Zack and others. An amazing artist to be sure. And in a case of synchronicity, we have the FIRST Joni cover of the new year...Amy London's album released Tuesday has a cover of "All I Want" (maybe a good omen that it wasn't BSN) and also a Laura Nyro cover as well! Bob NP: Harry Nilsson, "Without Her" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I am both. I watched Toy Story 3 this weekend when I was up with my sisters in Raleigh and thought that it might just be the best of the trilogy. Bob NP: Michelle Shocked, "Must Be Luff" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:14:30 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Seal pups rescued in Scarborough Title: Seal pups rescued in Scarborough Publication: BBC News Date: 2010.8.12 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2338 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:19:10 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Quiz (NJC) I got quite a few interesting answers for these questions but Jim (being the music slut that he is) got the most correct. I only got 4 out of 10. Best Paz 1. Who did Miles Davis describe as he sings as though hes blind? James Taylor 2. How did Isaac Newton and Pink Floyd manage to see the light? Isaac Newton conducted an experiment where he shone light through a pinhole onto a prism to create a spectrum of refracted light, proving that white light was made up of other colours. The diagram he used was adapted for the cover of Dark side of the moon by Pink Floyd. 3. Who advocated hitting a defenceless blind cripple over the head to pay for the LP he was endorsing? Andrew Loog Oldham on the sleeve notes of the album Rolling Stones 2 4. Who sang on a Pink Floyd LP track and a Small Faces single? Seamus the dog can be heard on the track Seamus on Meddle by Pink Floyd and also on The universal by the Small Faces. The dog belonged to Steve Marriott 5. It wasnt after called Oh what a lovely wart or Whos been sleeping in my porridge. What was it finally called? A hard days night. The others were titles suggested by Paul McCartney and George Harrison. 6. He started with the LAGs, blew harp with the VIPs, formed the American Four, went back to the VIPs to play organ, and formed the Grass Roots. What was the name of his next band? Love. It was Arthur Lee 7. What connects Joe Cocker, Donny Hathaway, George Benson and the Carpenters? All had big hits with Leon Russell songs. Joe Cocker with Delta lady Donny Hathaway with A song for you, George Benson with This masquerade and the Carpenters with Superstar. 8. What connects Winston OBoogie, Bette Y. El Mysterioso, Apollo C. Vermouth and Ritchie Snare? The Beatles. All are pseudonyms used by John Lennon, George Harrison, Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr respectively. 9. Who connects the Beefeaters, the Crackers and the Epics? Bob Dylan. The Beefeaters became the Byrds, the Crackers became the Band and the Epics became Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. All have performed live with Dylan at some stage. 10. What connects Paul McCartney, Bono, Bob Geldof, and Jimi Hendrix? All of them lost their mothers when they were young. Its actually uncanny how many rock artists this has happened to. Either that or like Bruce Springstten and Tom Petty they had difficult relationships with their father. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Jim wrote: >1. Who did Miles Davis describe as he sings as though hes blind? A: I'm guessing he was talking about Ray Charles? >2. How did Isaac Newton and Pink Floyd manage to see the light?> A: Through a prism. >8. What connects Winston OBoogie, Bette Y. El Mysterioso, Apollo C. Vermouth and Ritchie Snare?> A: They are all pseudonyms for Beatles? I knew Winston O'Boogie and guessed that Ritchie Snare is a nickname for Ringo because Ritchie is his first name. > 10. What connects Paul McCartney, Bono, Bob Geldof, and Jimi Hendrix? A: Maybe they were/are left-handed. I knew McCartney is a south-paw and I think I heard this about Hendrix. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:24:12 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Quiz (NJC) Thanks for the answers Mikey - some really obscure stuff to be sure. Love that music trivia. I miss Rian's quizzes. Bob NP: Apples In Stereo, "Dignified Dignitary" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:47:29 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" Interesting as there's been speculation about Joni and drugs, and what the "white lines on the highway" were. This has her doing coke 3 years before "Coyote". CV comes off like a stalker! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:42:14 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" Cherry's behavior is very much in line with a D-lister trying to make contact with an A-lister like Beatty. Joni was definitely on the A list at this time in her career, also. Makes for fascinating reading. Jerry On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Randy Remote wrote: > Interesting as there's been speculation about Joni and drugs, > and what the "white lines on the highway" were. This has her > doing coke 3 years before "Coyote". CV comes off like a stalker! > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:15:47 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" On a similar note, I read "Miss O'Dell", another memior from an assistant/hanger-on to the rich and famous rockers. Some Joni content on the Rolling Thunder Tour-has this been discussed here? RR > Cherry's behavior is very much in line with a D-lister trying to make > contact with an A-lister like Beatty. Joni was definitely on the A list at > this time in her career, also. Makes for fascinating reading. > > Jerry > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Randy Remote > wrote: > >> Interesting as there's been speculation about Joni and drugs, >> and what the "white lines on the highway" were. This has her >> doing coke 3 years before "Coyote". CV comes off like a stalker! >> RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:19:44 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" Not really....all I've seen is that she is "another woman down the hall" in Coyote. Bob NP: Cornelius, "Fly" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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(!!!!!) http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011/01/money-for-nothing-should-the-song-be-banned-on-canadian-radio.html Mags, who really hopes you lot will chime in!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:17:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing Great question, Mags - hopefully the resounding answer here will be no. Firstly, if you look at the usage of the word in the song, it is used somewhat indirectly and from an uneducated blue-collar worker; that is to say that it indirectly insinuates that the character in the song who says it is not really all that bright. The depiction in the famous video implied the same thing. Having said that, if you start banning songs based on offensive words, what will happen to rap with the proliferation on the N word used in the songs? And who will be the judge over what is offensive and what is not? Bob NP: Richard X Heyman, "When It was Our Time" (with a shoutout to Rosie!) Mags Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 01/13/2011 04:52 PM Please respond to Mags To joni@smoe.org cc Subject up for discussion NJC money for nothing okay, discussion list: please discuss. (!!!!!) http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011/01/money-for-nothing-should-the-song-be-banned-on-canadian-radio.html Mags, who really hopes you lot will chime in!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:29:43 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: up for discussion NJC money for nothing Isn't that song almost 30 years old? What took them so long? I agree with Bob, I don't believe in censorship. In loving memory of Frank Zappa, who said in front of a congressional hearing: "You cannot distract people from thinking about an unfair tax by talking about Music Appreciation. For that you need sex, and lots of it." :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:17 PM To: Mags Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing Great question, Mags - hopefully the resounding answer here will be no. Firstly, if you look at the usage of the word in the song, it is used somewhat indirectly and from an uneducated blue-collar worker; that is to say that it indirectly insinuates that the character in the song who says it is not really all that bright. The depiction in the famous video implied the same thing. Having said that, if you start banning songs based on offensive words, what will happen to rap with the proliferation on the N word used in the songs? And who will be the judge over what is offensive and what is not? Bob NP: Richard X Heyman, "When It was Our Time" (with a shoutout to Rosie!) Mags Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 01/13/2011 04:52 PM Please respond to Mags To joni@smoe.org cc Subject up for discussion NJC money for nothing okay, discussion list: please discuss. (!!!!!) http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011/01/money-for-nothing-should-the-song-be-banned-on-canadian-radio.html Mags, who really hopes you lot will chime in!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:32:25 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing Bob, I think we should be the arbiters of good taste. What we say goes....any further questions? On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Great question, Mags - hopefully the resounding answer here will be no. > Firstly, if you look at the usage of the word in the song, it is used > somewhat indirectly and from an uneducated blue-collar worker; that is to > say that it indirectly insinuates that the character in the song who says > it is not really all that bright. The depiction in the famous video > implied the same thing. > > Having said that, if you start banning songs based on offensive words, > what will happen to rap with the proliferation on the N word used in the > songs? And who will be the judge over what is offensive and what is not? > > Bob > > NP: Richard X Heyman, "When It was Our Time" (with a shoutout to Rosie!) > > > > > > Mags > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > 01/13/2011 04:52 PM > Please respond to Mags > > To > joni@smoe.org > cc > > Subject > up for discussion NJC money for nothing > > > > > > > > okay, discussion list: please discuss. (!!!!!) > > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011/01/money-for-nothing-should-the-song-be-banned-on-canadian-radio.html > > > Mags, who really hopes you lot will chime in!!!!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:52:09 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing I agree with both of you. My initial response to seeing that in the news today was, of course, WTF?!? The song is sung from the point of view of an ignorant blue-collar worker complaining that rock stars can make a lot of money by doing (what he thinks is) nothing while, he the worker, labours hard for his money doing "man's" work. As such, the character speaks in language that we wouldn't consider polite. It is not an anti-gay song. And yeah, what did take them so long? D'oh! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Susan Tierney McNamara > To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" ; Mags > > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 5:29:43 PM > Subject: RE: up for discussion NJC money for nothing > > Isn't that song almost 30 years old? What took them so long? I agree with >Bob, I don't believe in censorship. In loving memory of Frank Zappa, who said >in front of a congressional hearing: "You cannot distract people from >thinking about an unfair tax by talking about Music Appreciation. For that you >need sex, and lots of it." :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:17 PM > To: Mags > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing > > Great question, Mags - hopefully the resounding answer here will be no. > Firstly, if you look at the usage of the word in the song, it is used > somewhat indirectly and from an uneducated blue-collar worker; that is to > say that it indirectly insinuates that the character in the song who says > it is not really all that bright. The depiction in the famous video > implied the same thing. > > Having said that, if you start banning songs based on offensive words, > what will happen to rap with the proliferation on the N word used in the > songs? And who will be the judge over what is offensive and what is not? > > Bob > > NP: Richard X Heyman, "When It was Our Time" (with a shoutout to Rosie!) > > > > > > Mags > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > 01/13/2011 04:52 PM > Please respond to Mags > > To > joni@smoe.org > cc > > Subject > up for discussion NJC money for nothing > > > > > > > > okay, discussion list: please discuss. (!!!!!) > > >http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011/01/money-for-nothing-should-the-song-be-banned-on-canadian-radio.html >l > > > Mags, who really hopes you lot will chime in!!!!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:48:00 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Miss O'Dell Miss O'Dell My Hard Days and Long Nights with The Beatles, The Stones, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, and the Women They Loved by Chris O'Dell publ 2009 Very readable account of young American woman who gets a job with Apple Records in London, eventually becoming best friends with Patti Harrison, and is at ground zero as George and Ringo's marriages implode. Many other exploits in the upper strata and dark corners of rock and roll. First Joni mention is when O'Dell is managing CSNY's reunion tour of '74 At the Vancouver Airport we encountered a little problem. Joni Mitchell was supposed to meet us at the airport, and she was late. (I'd soon discover she was often late.) I used all my powers of persuasion to convince the folks at the airport to hold the plane. We were flying commercially, and we'd booked half the plane, so they were willing to inconvenience the other passengers to keep us happy. The other jc is during the Rolling Thunder Tour, road manager O'Dell has begun a tour romance with playwright Sam Shepard, married 32 year-old Ilinois farmboy, hired by Dylan to write a screenplay. A few weeks later, we were in Niagara Falls for two shows. After the evening show I looked all over the place for Sam. I couldn't find him anywhere. He wasn't in his hotel room. He didn't answer his phone. Nobody had seen him. The next morning I was headed downstairs for breakfast when I heard someone call out, "Have you seen Sam?" "Oh yeah, he was hanging with Joni Mitchell all evening," someone else said. Joni Mitchell? I thought. My heart was sinking. When I saw Sam later that morning, I ignored him. He looked guilty. A few nights later in Rochester, New York, he didn't show up at the hospitality room after the show. That was where I'd usually meet him and then we'd spend the rest of the evening together. Oh no, I thought, maybe this thing with Joni is more than a flirtation. I went up to his room and knocked on the door. "Who's there?" "It's Chris." Ten seconds. Thirty seconds. A minute passed. He finally opened the door and then retreated to the bed where he lay down, hands underneath his head, looking at me with a sweet little smile. I sat down at the foot of the bed, my back to the door. "What's going on, Sam? Why aren't you downstairs?" "I'm tired. I've just been lying around here." Behind me I heard the door to his room open and close. "Oh, what's that?" he said, all innocent like, looking over my shoulder. "Sam, who was here?" I knew perfectly well who it was. Joni had been hiding in the bathroom, and when my back was to the door, she sneaked out behind me. "No one," he lied. "You know what?" I said on my way out the door, "You're a shit." As the tour continues, O'Dell decides to avoid both Joni and Shepard, as much as possible, but in Bangor, Maine, while delivering the next itinerary, Joni, in her dressing room, asks O'Dell if she can sit down for a minute. "How are you doing?" she said, putting her makeup on the table and swiveling in her chair to look at me. Oh shit, I thought. She wants to have "a talk." I wasn't real comfortable with that idea. All I wanted to do was get out of there. "I'm fine," I said cheerily. "You know, I really admire the way that you're handling this thing," she said. Of course, I knew what "thing" she was referring to. "You just seem so confident and able to deal with this," she said. "I really respect that. I wish I could do the same." I was stunned. Here we were, two women vying for the same guy, but instead of doing that catty, competitive female "I've got him," or "I hate you for having him" thing, she was being real. Real. That really got to me. Of course, we both knew deep down that neither one of us "had" Sam- if he could cheat on his wife with me and then cheat on me with Joni, he was going to cheat on Joni sometime, too. What a crazy, conflicted situation: we were both head over heels for a man who had a wife waiting for him at home. "Joni, you have no idea how much I appreciate what you just said," I said. And that's as far as we went with it. A few days later Joni sang the song "Coyote" for the first time. It's a song about Sam Shepard and how he had "a woman at home and another woman down the hall" and he wanted her anyway. I was the woman down the hall. I loved the lines Joni wrote about how we licked our wounds and took temporary lovers, using "pills and powders" to get us through the drama. She was right. I had my pills, my powders, and my whiskey to help me through the drama of those hard days and nights. I knew I had to march forward-the show must go on. But that thing with Sam hurt like hell. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:12:23 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing I always found it disturbing - but I think it was SUPPOSED to be disturbing. Thus it has impact. I say leave it.Em - --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing To: "Mags" Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 5:17 PM Great question, Mags - hopefully the resounding answer here will be no. Firstly, if you look at the usage of the word in the song, it is used somewhat indirectly and from an uneducated blue-collar worker; that is to say that it indirectly insinuates that the character in the song who says it is not really all that bright. The depiction in the famous video implied the same thing. Having said that, if you start banning songs based on offensive words, what will happen to rap with the proliferation on the N word used in the songs? And who will be the judge over what is offensive and what is not? Bob NP: Richard X Heyman, "When It was Our Time" (with a shoutout to Rosie!) Mags Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 01/13/2011 04:52 PM Please respond to Mags To joni@smoe.org cc Subject up for discussion NJC money for nothing okay, discussion list: please discuss. (!!!!!) http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011/01/money-for-nothing-should-the-song- be-banned-on-canadian-radio.html Mags, who really hopes you lot will chime in!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:57:07 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: and did you know? about the line of Joni Mitchell underwear with Coyote motif from Dutch lingerie-ist Marlies Dekkers? I did not, but Monica found it: Fancy stuff, too http://jonimitchell.com/library/cr_misc.cfm?id=385 http://www.journelle.com/marlies-dekkers-joni-mitchell-balcony-bra.html/ http://www.aidalingerieonline.nl/marliesdekkers/marliesdekkers-collecties/mar lies-dekkers-joni-mitchell.html/ RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing Mags wrote: okay, discussion list: please discuss. (!!!!!) http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011/01/money-for-nothing-should-the-song-be-banned-on-canadian-radio.html Mags, who really hopes you lot will chime in!!!!! Hi Mags, I remember kids in grade school in the 70's calling each other faggots. I don't hear the term much any more, and when I do, I think of a cigarette since it means that too. I've always thought the use of the terms "little faggot" in the song hammers the point that although the singer belittles the person, he is jealous of him. The song wouldn't make as much sense without the name calling. Slang terms for homosexuals used to make me cringe. Even the term lesbian seemed offensive. But, I've mellowed. I haven't mellowed enough to like being thought of as a "cancer" though. If I had any other zodiac sign, I would be more apt to like it. The best thing about the faggot lyrics is that my place of birth was in the news! It is good to be a Newfie, and this one doesn't think censoring the lyrics is a good thing. Love, Laura The lyrics are: The little faggot with the earring and the makeup Yeah buddy, that's his own hair That little faggot got his own jet airplane That little faggot he's a millionaire ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: up for discussion NJC money for nothing what I found most interesting was that there was *one* person who heard it on a radio station in Newfoundland and because of that, the organization had to investigate and therefore *act*. I am so perplexed by this, I cannot even write about it, yet. thanks for the thoughts, still looking for more input. The whole notion of censorship is such a sticky wicket. Mags, off to bedlam ;-) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:35:29 +0200 From: "ron g" Subject: Re: Joni Covers Volume 132 some good tracks there & well worth the download. thanks bob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "JMDL" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:44 AM Subject: Joni Covers Volume 132 > Just a quick note to remind you (in case you missed it) that Joni Covers > #132 is > still hot and ready for downloading. Hope those of you who got it (30 > folks - > sweet!) are digging it. The link will expire on the 15th. > > So better not RETREAT because I will not be RELOADing it. > > Here's the target: http://tinyurl.com/4mq2qyf > > Take your best shot. > > Bob > > NP: Buckingham-Nicks, "Frozen Love" (as good as anything the Mac did) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #12 **************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. 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