From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #11 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 13 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 011 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music [Lc Stanley ] Through Midday Sally Traffic [William Waddell ] RE: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: the list and facebook, njc [Mags ] Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" [Richard Goldman ] Joni Covers Volume 132 [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 05:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music Hi Matt, Joni is a perfect example of how a singing voice and composing voice can evolve over decades. She's gone through so many sounds and styles to become the singing voice we hear today. I don't know of any other singer/song writer who has gone through so many changes in voice, both in sound and style, as Joni has. If you choose her, you will have a very thick dissertation, and I will want to read it. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: MattJones To: joni@smoe.org; Mags Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:38:29 PM Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music Hi Mags (and everyone else), I'm not new to the list, but it's been quite a while since I posted anything. I'm a PhD student at The University of Virginia (you can look me up on the UVA music dept page, under grad students if you're so inclined: www.virginia.edu/music i think). I did a Masters at The University of Georgia prior to coming here, where I did some work on ecological/feminist themes in Joni's 80s and 90s work. I have presented that paper at a couple of nerdy academic conferences, and I'm in the planning stages of a dissertation on issues of voice (the singing voice, the "voice" of the composer, etc), and I'm trying to figure out how to make Joni a major part of that. At the moment, I'm working on a side project that involves the song Passion Play and just want to compare some things on the recording, the tabs available on the homepage, and the published sheet music. I'll gladly yack about my joni-related research if anyone has further questions. Don't hesitate to ask. Also, I know a long time ago there was an annual or maybe bi-annual JoniFest. Is some manifestation of that event still happening? At some point, I would love to attend and/or talk to people who attended past events. I'll send out a more formal request for that later one. Hope everyone is having a safe & happy 2011, mj - --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Mags wrote: From: Mags Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music To: joni@smoe.org, "MattJones" Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 3:54 PM dissertation on Joni? Tell us more please! Matt are you new to the list? Sorry if I don't recognize your name. Mags~ > > Matt "Trying to Figure Out How To Write My Dissertation On > Joni" Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: beautiful harmonies NJC Catherine wrote: > Is that by any chance Jacob sitting in on guitar (or maybe > bass) in a couple of > shots? You can't see him full-on, and it goes by quickly, > so hard to tell. I think that must be Jacob, as he often shares the stage with them. You can see him a couple of times, and it's the sound of his guitar that I recognized the most. And you are right, it is hard to tell. more Catherine: > > I knew I recognized that name too, from somewhere - very > interesting story! Yes isnt it though? I feel that I want to promote some local music too, this is an all gal band called Oh My Darlin' and I am more than sure I've shared some links about them, so here's a fairly new one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-jILilUoi8 anyway...have a wonderful day all... Mags ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:53:31 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: Through Midday Sally Traffic Second box down sees BBC Radio 2's Sally Traffic enthusing about Joni. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/40thbirthday/presentericons_three.shtml Wx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:59:21 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music I agree with Laura. I just downloaded The Music of Joni Mitchell by Lloyd Whitesell to my Kindle. I haven't started it yet, but when talking about harmonies, I think a whole dissertation could be written on the harmonic choruses of Car On A Hill. Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lc Stanley Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:17 AM To: MattJones Cc: Joni List Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music Hi Matt, Joni is a perfect example of how a singing voice and composing voice can evolve over decades. She's gone through so many sounds and styles to become the singing voice we hear today. I don't know of any other singer/song writer who has gone through so many changes in voice, both in sound and style, as Joni has. If you choose her, you will have a very thick dissertation, and I will want to read it. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: MattJones To: joni@smoe.org; Mags Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:38:29 PM Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music Hi Mags (and everyone else), I'm not new to the list, but it's been quite a while since I posted anything. I'm a PhD student at The University of Virginia (you can look me up on the UVA music dept page, under grad students if you're so inclined: www.virginia.edu/music i think). I did a Masters at The University of Georgia prior to coming here, where I did some work on ecological/feminist themes in Joni's 80s and 90s work. I have presented that paper at a couple of nerdy academic conferences, and I'm in the planning stages of a dissertation on issues of voice (the singing voice, the "voice" of the composer, etc), and I'm trying to figure out how to make Joni a major part of that. At the moment, I'm working on a side project that involves the song Passion Play and just want to compare some things on the recording, the tabs available on the homepage, and the published sheet music. I'll gladly yack about my joni-related research if anyone has further questions. Don't hesitate to ask. Also, I know a long time ago there was an annual or maybe bi-annual JoniFest. Is some manifestation of that event still happening? At some point, I would love to attend and/or talk to people who attended past events. I'll send out a more formal request for that later one. Hope everyone is having a safe & happy 2011, mj - --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Mags wrote: From: Mags Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music To: joni@smoe.org, "MattJones" Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 3:54 PM dissertation on Joni? Tell us more please! Matt are you new to the list? Sorry if I don't recognize your name. Mags~ > > Matt "Trying to Figure Out How To Write My Dissertation On > Joni" Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:44:25 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music In my opinion, one of the most harmonically adventurous tunes Joni ever did is The Jungle Line. Most of her writing is tonally centered. There are unexpected twists certainly but mostly she is staying in a home key and the innovative aspects are the guitar voicings (which result from the tuning she uses) and sometimes the rather lengthy harmonic "excursions" she was doing in the cadenzas of songs like Down to You, Car on a Hill, Judgement of the Moon and Stars and of course Paprika Plains. But The Jungle Line is something altogether different. The voicings are stripped down to nothing but roots and fifths but the harmonic motion is closer to twelve tone writing, where a tonal center is carefully avoided and each note of the chromatic scale is given equal weight. Also the melody is equally angular (and hard to sing a capella). Coming right after the lush and beautiful In France on THOSL it is especially striking in its starkness. It's too bad the guitar part is so marginalized in the mix and the wheezy synthesizers are pushed forward because it really is a fascinating tune harmonically. To my knowledge, Joni never wrote another tune remotely like it. It stands alone in her catalogue as this strange chromatic voyage, even though, oddly enough, it is still in the AAA stanzaic form of the folk song. As lovely as Passion Play is, harmonically it is mostly interesting for its minor V chord which is simply borrowed from the parallel minor key of Dm. Dave On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I agree with Laura. I just downloaded The Music of Joni Mitchell by Lloyd Whitesell to my Kindle. I haven't started it yet, but when talking about harmonies, I think a whole dissertation could be written on the harmonic choruses of Car On A Hill. > > Take care, Sue > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lc Stanley > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:17 AM > To: MattJones > Cc: Joni List > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > > Hi Matt, > > Joni is a perfect example of how a singing voice and composing voice can evolve > over decades. She's gone through so many sounds and styles to become the > singing voice we hear today. I don't know of any other singer/song writer who > has gone through so many changes in voice, both in sound and style, as Joni has. > If you choose her, you will have a very thick dissertation, and I will want to > read it. > > Love, > Laura > > > > ________________________________ > From: MattJones > To: joni@smoe.org; Mags > Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:38:29 PM > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > > Hi Mags (and everyone else), > > I'm not new to the list, but it's been quite a while since I posted anything. > I'm a PhD student at The University of Virginia (you can look me up on the UVA > music dept page, under grad students if you're so inclined: > www.virginia.edu/music i think). I did a Masters at The University of Georgia > prior to coming here, where I did some work on ecological/feminist themes in > Joni's 80s and 90s work. I have presented that paper at a couple of nerdy > academic conferences, and I'm in the planning stages of a dissertation on issues > of voice (the singing voice, the "voice" of the composer, etc), and I'm trying > to figure out how to make Joni a major part of that. > > > At the moment, I'm working on a side project that involves the song Passion Play > and just want to compare some things on the recording, the tabs available on the > homepage, and the published sheet music. I'll gladly yack about my joni-related > research if anyone has further questions. Don't hesitate to ask. > > > Also, I know a long time ago there was an annual or maybe bi-annual JoniFest. Is > some manifestation of that event still happening? At some point, I would love to > attend and/or talk to people who attended past events. I'll send out a more > formal request for that later one. > > > Hope everyone is having a safe & happy 2011, > > mj > > > > --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Mags wrote: > > From: Mags > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > To: joni@smoe.org, "MattJones" > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 3:54 PM > > dissertation on Joni? Tell us more please! Matt are you new to the list? Sorry > if I don't recognize your name. > > Mags~ > > >> >> Matt "Trying to Figure Out How To Write My Dissertation On >> Joni" Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:01:39 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: the list and facebook, njc Regarding the list vs. facebook. It is hard for me to put into words but I too prefer the list to facebook and also do not want facebook to water down our discussion here. I do have a facebook account but I cannot always access it (cannot get it at work, and do not have internet at home) Plus there are things about FB (privacy) that I do not care for. There is a lot I do not know about facebook. It seems like a good place to share photos and ideas to large groups. . but I have special place in my heart for the jmdl. . . . and much prefer it to FB I hope everyone continues to post to the list as primary Thanks Lieve for the discussion. PS. I love the list. . . and I love being a part of the list. It is a very special place. I feel very fortunate to be a here. I'm lucky! (I can walk under ladders) pps. everytimeI go back and read my posts I do not like the way they sound (anyone else have this?). . .. they sound queer. . maybe it is because I'm. . . . . Marianne XOXO Lieve wrote: >My original comment was and remains: either people keep moving those topics to FB without having a parallel discussion here, which penalizes people like me who don't want to join BF and which will slowly make this list irrelevant and dormant, or they remember their loyalty to this list and do something about it! I'm not saying everybody has to stick to this list because I am here and would like them to, I am just asking them to be honest and aware of what they are doing! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:10:02 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music Dave said: >To my knowledge, Joni never wrote another tune remotely like it. It stands alone in her catalogue as this strange >chromatic voyage, even though, oddly enough, it is still in the AAA stanzaic form of the folk song. Do you believe that is why it was so vilified in the reviews, because of its oddness, or because of the synthesizers Rolling Stone said sounded like "farts?" That review still pisses me off. Thanks Dave, for sharing your intimate knowledge of Joni's music. The Mutts version of this song is thrilling!! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:44 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Lc Stanley; MattJones; Joni List Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music In my opinion, one of the most harmonically adventurous tunes Joni ever did is The Jungle Line. Most of her writing is tonally centered. There are unexpected twists certainly but mostly she is staying in a home key and the innovative aspects are the guitar voicings (which result from the tuning she uses) and sometimes the rather lengthy harmonic "excursions" she was doing in the cadenzas of songs like Down to You, Car on a Hill, Judgement of the Moon and Stars and of course Paprika Plains. But The Jungle Line is something altogether different. The voicings are stripped down to nothing but roots and fifths but the harmonic motion is closer to twelve tone writing, where a tonal center is carefully avoided and each note of the chromatic scale is given equal weight. Also the melody is equally angular (and hard to sing a capella). Coming right after the lush and beautiful In France on THOSL it is especially striking in its starkness. It's too bad the guitar part is so marginalized in the mix and the wheezy synthesizers are pushed forward because it really is a fascinating tune harmonically. To my knowledge, Joni never wrote another tune remotely like it. It stands alone in her catalogue as this strange chromatic voyage, even though, oddly enough, it is still in the AAA stanzaic form of the folk song. As lovely as Passion Play is, harmonically it is mostly interesting for its minor V chord which is simply borrowed from the parallel minor key of Dm. Dave On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I agree with Laura. I just downloaded The Music of Joni Mitchell by Lloyd Whitesell to my Kindle. I haven't started it yet, but when talking about harmonies, I think a whole dissertation could be written on the harmonic choruses of Car On A Hill. > > Take care, Sue > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lc Stanley > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:17 AM > To: MattJones > Cc: Joni List > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > > Hi Matt, > > Joni is a perfect example of how a singing voice and composing voice can evolve > over decades. She's gone through so many sounds and styles to become the > singing voice we hear today. I don't know of any other singer/song writer who > has gone through so many changes in voice, both in sound and style, as Joni has. > If you choose her, you will have a very thick dissertation, and I will want to > read it. > > Love, > Laura > > > > ________________________________ > From: MattJones > To: joni@smoe.org; Mags > Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:38:29 PM > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > > Hi Mags (and everyone else), > > I'm not new to the list, but it's been quite a while since I posted anything. > I'm a PhD student at The University of Virginia (you can look me up on the UVA > music dept page, under grad students if you're so inclined: > www.virginia.edu/music i think). I did a Masters at The University of Georgia > prior to coming here, where I did some work on ecological/feminist themes in > Joni's 80s and 90s work. I have presented that paper at a couple of nerdy > academic conferences, and I'm in the planning stages of a dissertation on issues > of voice (the singing voice, the "voice" of the composer, etc), and I'm trying > to figure out how to make Joni a major part of that. > > > At the moment, I'm working on a side project that involves the song Passion Play > and just want to compare some things on the recording, the tabs available on the > homepage, and the published sheet music. I'll gladly yack about my joni-related > research if anyone has further questions. Don't hesitate to ask. > > > Also, I know a long time ago there was an annual or maybe bi-annual JoniFest. Is > some manifestation of that event still happening? At some point, I would love to > attend and/or talk to people who attended past events. I'll send out a more > formal request for that later one. > > > Hope everyone is having a safe & happy 2011, > > mj > > > > --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Mags wrote: > > From: Mags > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > To: joni@smoe.org, "MattJones" > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 3:54 PM > > dissertation on Joni? Tell us more please! Matt are you new to the list? Sorry > if I don't recognize your name. > > Mags~ > > >> >> Matt "Trying to Figure Out How To Write My Dissertation On >> Joni" Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: MattJones Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music I agree with everything you said, Dave. My interests in Passion Play stem less from harmonic analysis than from an impulse to look at where bits of text, melody notes, and underlying harmonies line up and how that collision flavors particular words, which Joni further enhances with (for my ears) thrilling vocal timbre inflections. I'm trying to think through ways of indicating changes in vocal timbre that cannot be captured in staff notation. So, I did some transcription from the album and I'm just doing some comparisons between the way I've written out the melodic line (without bar lines and lots and lots of notes to myself to describe the voice) with the published music. One of the big problems when dealing with non-notated music (by which I mean nothing derogatory but wanted to skirt around the ever-problematic term 'popular music') in an academic setting is the tension between using staff notation and words/text to describe something that evades those very forms of representation. It's part of what makes Joni, along with Laura Nyro, Joan Armatrading, Judee Sill, Carly Simon, Kate Bush...this list could get lengthy...really special for me. We just don't have a vocabulary to describe the timbre of anything that doesn't involve recourse to a visual, tactile, or even an olfactory metaphor: gritty, smooth, smokey, Laura Nyro spoke in colors....And since my project is going to be about voice in a couple of different ways, I would be interested in hearing what the list has to say about Joni's voice, particularly as she has matured. However, comments on her voice at any point in her career are more than welcome! Also, I should make a note. At some point, I'll write the paper/chapter on voice for my dissertation and would love to include the voices of people from the JM online community in that discussion. So if you had a really cool way of describing her voice, for instance, with your permission I would quote you/cite you and the discussion list thread/date as the source of that particular description. SO, if anyone doesn't want me to (potentially) use their words for part of an academic project (which I will gladly send out to the list once it's done...short paper coming this semester, dissertation is a couple of years away so there's plenty of time to gather your thoughts), please respond to me privately and indicate that you'd prefer me not to mine your thoughts from the list. That way, I can compile a list of people who'd rather not be used and when I'm reviewing discussions on the list, I'll know they are off limits. And no worries if you don't want me to quote you, I will not be offended in the least! However, academic integrity maintains that I must ask for permission. Sorry to ramble on so, I'm going to go back toJudee Sill this morning! Thanks all, Matt - --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Dave Blackburn wrote: From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music To: "Susan Tierney McNamara" Cc: "Lc Stanley" , "MattJones" , "Joni List" Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:44 AM In my opinion, one of the most harmonically adventurous tunes Joni ever did is The Jungle Line. Most of her writing is tonally centered. There are unexpected twists certainly but mostly she is staying in a home key and the innovative aspects are the guitar voicings (which result from the tuning she uses) and sometimes the rather lengthy harmonic "excursions" she was doing in the cadenzas of songs like Down to You, Car on a Hill, Judgement of the Moon and Stars and of course Paprika Plains. But The Jungle Line is something altogether different. The voicings are stripped down to nothing but roots and fifths but the harmonic motion is closer to twelve tone writing, where a tonal center is carefully avoided and each note of the chromatic scale is given equal weight. Also the melody is equally angular (and hard to sing a capella). Coming right after the lush and beautiful In France on THOSL it is especially striking in its starkness. It's too bad the guitar part is so marginalized in the mix and the wheezy synthesizers are pushed forward because it really is a fascinating tune harmonically. To my knowledge, Joni never wrote another tune remotely like it. It stands alone in her catalogue as this strange chromatic voyage, even though, oddly enough, it is still in the AAA stanzaic form of the folk song. As lovely as Passion Play is, harmonically it is mostly interesting for its minor V chord which is simply borrowed from the parallel minor key of Dm. Dave On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I agree with Laura. I just downloaded The Music of Joni Mitchell by Lloyd Whitesell to my Kindle. I haven't started it yet, but when talking about harmonies, I think a whole dissertation could be written on the harmonic choruses of Car On A Hill. > > Take care, Sue > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lc Stanley > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:17 AM > To: MattJones > Cc: Joni List > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > > Hi Matt, > > Joni is a perfect example of how a singing voice and composing voice can evolve > over decades. She's gone through so many sounds and styles to become the > singing voice we hear today. I don't know of any other singer/song writer who > has gone through so many changes in voice, both in sound and style, as Joni has. > If you choose her, you will have a very thick dissertation, and I will want to > read it. > > Love, > Laura > > > > ________________________________ > From: MattJones > To: joni@smoe.org; Mags > Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:38:29 PM > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > > Hi Mags (and everyone else), > > I'm not new to the list, but it's been quite a while since I posted anything. > I'm a PhD student at The University of Virginia (you can look me up on the UVA > music dept page, under grad students if you're so inclined: > www.virginia.edu/music i think). I did a Masters at The University of Georgia > prior to coming here, where I did some work on ecological/feminist themes in > Joni's 80s and 90s work. I have presented that paper at a couple of nerdy > academic conferences, and I'm in the planning stages of a dissertation on issues > of voice (the singing voice, the "voice" of the composer, etc), and I'm trying > to figure out how to make Joni a major part of that. > > > At the moment, I'm working on a side project that involves the song Passion Play > and just want to compare some things on the recording, the tabs available on the > homepage, and the published sheet music. I'll gladly yack about my joni-related > research if anyone has further questions. Don't hesitate to ask. > > > Also, I know a long time ago there was an annual or maybe bi-annual JoniFest. Is > some manifestation of that event still happening? At some point, I would love to > attend and/or talk to people who attended past events. I'll send out a more > formal request for that later one. > > > Hope everyone is having a safe & happy 2011, > > mj > > > > --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Mags wrote: > > From: Mags > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home (Passion Play) Music > To: joni@smoe.org, "MattJones" > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 3:54 PM > > dissertation on Joni? Tell us more please! Matt are you new to the list? Sorry > if I don't recognize your name. > > Mags~ > > >> >> Matt "Trying to Figure Out How To Write My Dissertation On >> Joni" Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: RE: the list and facebook, njc Hello Marianne, The best way to support the list is to post to it. So I hope you and others will post more often. Even if you don't like the way your posts sound, they sound just fine to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that. I enjoy reading your posts so bring 'em on!!!! I much prefer the list to FB for holding discussions. I also prefer regular email to the email that comes through FB and makes you have to sign into FB to answer it. FB wins on photo and video capability though. Love, Laura Marianne wrote: Regarding the list vs. facebook. It is hard for me to put into words but I too prefer the list to facebook and also do not want facebook to water down our discussion here. I do have a facebook account but I cannot always access it (cannot get it at work, and do not have internet at home) Plus there are things about FB (privacy) that I do not care for. There is a lot I do not know about facebook. It seems like a good place to share photos and ideas to large groups. . but I have special place in my heart for the jmdl. . . . and much prefer it to FB I hope everyone continues to post to the list as primary Thanks Lieve for the discussion. PS. I love the list. . . and I love being a part of the list. It is a very special place. I feel very fortunate to be a here. I'm lucky! (I can walk under ladders) pps. everytimeI go back and read my posts I do not like the way they sound (anyone else have this?). . .. they sound queer. . maybe it is because I'm. . . . . Marianne XOXO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: the list and facebook, njc I like the list too, enough to hang out for some nearly 11 years (wow). Most of all, I enjoy reading other's thoughts and I continue to learn from them. Part of the issue for me is that I will post music and sometimes I get responses, and sometimes I don't ... which is a bit of a challenge in a way. And with that said, I certainly don't respond to every single post either. What can you do? Carry on I suppose. I like that I can get a read on the personality and/or mood of the writer here; maybe it's just my 'magination ;-) Marianne, your posts are fine; they are 'you' and I always read them ;-) Mags ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:30:36 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" Hey all, I'm plowing through the fascinating memoir of the Warhol superstar, and David Bowie's publicist, Cherry Vanilla, titled appropriately, "Lick Me". Just found a Joni encounter, I thought you all would appreciate, so I'm copying&pasting here (I hope CV doesn't sue me! ) (this is during the fall of 1973 -Halloween actually- : while CV was living at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, PR'ing for Bowie/working for Mainman Mgmt) "And besides, there were other major intrigues at that hotel, namely Warren Beatty. Warren lived in the Beverly Wilshire's penthouse, and I was determined to meet him. On my first day at the hotel I sent him a dozen red roses, with a card signed simply Cherry Vanilla. On the second day I sent him a single red rose, accompanied by a poem about an imaginary character named, what else, Beverly Wilshire. On the third day, which turned out to be Halloween, I sent him a pair of Frederick's of Hollywood split-crotch panties, stufffed inside a Tampax super box and wrapped in the dust jacket of John Lilly's *Center of the Cylone*, with a note saying only "trick or treat." Meg Bird had flown out to assist me for a few days and together we hurried to straighten up the suite and ourselves, because I just knew that the Halloween package would stir Warren's curiosity enough for him to come knocking at our door. Sure enough, within minutes, Warren was there at the door, accompanied by none other than the great Joni Mitchell, whom he was dating at the time. Meg was amazed that I had actually pulled this off. I was wearing a long 1940's tiger-lily print hostess gown with nothing underneath. And the big beautiful Warren Beatty immediately grabbed me, lifted me up and gleefully spun me around. Then he and Joni made themselves at home on the sofa. Warren seemed to be looking around for a TV camera and refused any drugs, while Joni fearlessly did a few lines of coke with Meg and me. They were both really down-to-earth and fun. And Warren paid me the biggest compliment of my life, telling me that, until the Halloween gift, which had arrived while Joni was there with him, he'd thought the roses wand the poem were from her. Wow, and it wasn't even one of my better poems." ~Richard n.p. "Stepping Stones", G Love & Special Sauce, as played on WFUV-FM streaming online . . .. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:40:23 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" My, my. Fascinating. The 70's was a fun time! Reminds me of one of my favorite books, A Low Life In High Heels by Cherry's cohort Holly Woodlawn. Jerry On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Richard Goldman wrote: > Hey all, > I'm plowing through the fascinating memoir of the Warhol superstar, and > David Bowie's publicist, Cherry Vanilla, titled appropriately, "Lick Me". > Just found a Joni encounter, I thought you all would appreciate, so I'm > copying&pasting here (I hope CV doesn't sue me! ) > > (this is during the fall of 1973 -Halloween actually- : while CV was living > at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, PR'ing for Bowie/working for Mainman Mgmt) > > "And besides, there were other major intrigues at that hotel, namely Warren > Beatty. > Warren lived in the Beverly Wilshire's penthouse, and I was determined to > meet him. On my first day at the hotel I sent him a dozen red roses, with a > card signed simply Cherry Vanilla. On the second day I sent him a single > red > rose, accompanied by a poem about an imaginary character named, what else, > Beverly Wilshire. On the third day, which turned out to be Halloween, I > sent > him a pair of Frederick's of Hollywood split-crotch panties, stufffed > inside > a Tampax super box and wrapped in the dust jacket of John Lilly's *Center > of > the Cylone*, with a note saying only "trick or treat." Meg Bird had flown > out to assist me for a few days and together we hurried to straighten up > the > suite and ourselves, because I just knew that the Halloween package would > stir Warren's curiosity enough for him to come knocking at our door. > Sure enough, within minutes, Warren was there at the door, accompanied by > none other than the great Joni Mitchell, whom he was dating at the time. > Meg > was amazed that I had actually pulled this off. I was wearing a long 1940's > tiger-lily print hostess gown with nothing underneath. And the big > beautiful > Warren Beatty immediately grabbed me, lifted me up and gleefully spun me > around. Then he and Joni made themselves at home on the sofa. Warren seemed > to be looking around for a TV camera and refused any drugs, while Joni > fearlessly did a few lines of coke with Meg and me. They were both really > down-to-earth and fun. And Warren paid me the biggest compliment of my > life, > telling me that, until the Halloween gift, which had arrived while Joni was > there with him, he'd thought the roses wand the poem were from her. Wow, > and > it wasn't even one of my better poems." > > ~Richard > n.p. "Stepping Stones", G Love & Special Sauce, as played on WFUV-FM > streaming online . . .. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:55:26 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" So Jerry, I have to quote the Holly reference in Cherry's book, from that same Fall 1974, that is so funny. "Not long before Christmas 1974, I landed my first-ever professional cabaret gig, as Holly Woodlawn's opening act at Reno Sweeney. ........................................ My five night engagement at Reno's went extremely well. I was thrilled with the $750 I was being paid for the run, and my reviews were really fantastic. .................... On closing night, Bowie and Mick Jagger popped in together to catch my last show. (Holly Woodlawn states in her biography that they came to see *her*, without even mentioning me, but ...well, let's just say that they came to see us both.). David and Mick arrived in the middle of Holly's early show, took a banquettte at the back of the room, and asked me to sit between them for the rest of her act. David Smith immediately sent over a bottle of champagne. I was wearing a black Fredericks' of Hollywood backless, wet-look jumpsuit, and the feel of those two on either side of me, right up against my bare skin -- not to mention the thought of the enviable position I was in -- got me so excited I wanted to scream out loud with delight and hold on to the moment forever. When I took the stage for the late show and could see the two of them sitting there together, looking like they were totally enjoying themselves, I felt positively high (naturally, I was anyway) and superblessed. They left right after my set, stopping by the dressing room to give hugs and kudos to both Holly and me. ....................... " Jerry: since a lot of folks on this list are in LA, where CV lives, I am guessing some may even know her: she is quite still gregarious and social there, hugely. Looks the same, neon fuschia hair, skintight lame pants, etc... ~Richard n.p. "Fire", Bruce Springsteen, from The Promise, as played streaming on WFUV FM dot org On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > My, my. Fascinating. The 70's was a fun time! Reminds me of one of my > favorite books, A Low Life In High Heels by Cherry's cohort Holly Woodlawn. > > Jerry > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Richard Goldman wrote: > >> Hey all, >> I'm plowing through the fascinating memoir of the Warhol superstar, and >> David Bowie's publicist, Cherry Vanilla, titled appropriately, "Lick Me". >> Just found a Joni encounter, I thought you all would appreciate, so I'm >> copying&pasting here (I hope CV doesn't sue me! ) >> >> (this is during the fall of 1973 -Halloween actually- : while CV was >> living >> at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, PR'ing for Bowie/working for Mainman Mgmt) >> >> "And besides, there were other major intrigues at that hotel, namely >> Warren >> Beatty. >> Warren lived in the Beverly Wilshire's penthouse, and I was determined to >> meet him. On my first day at the hotel I sent him a dozen red roses, with >> a >> card signed simply Cherry Vanilla. On the second day I sent him a single >> red >> rose, accompanied by a poem about an imaginary character named, what else, >> Beverly Wilshire. On the third day, which turned out to be Halloween, I >> sent >> him a pair of Frederick's of Hollywood split-crotch panties, stufffed >> inside >> a Tampax super box and wrapped in the dust jacket of John Lilly's *Center >> of >> the Cylone*, with a note saying only "trick or treat." Meg Bird had flown >> out to assist me for a few days and together we hurried to straighten up >> the >> suite and ourselves, because I just knew that the Halloween package would >> stir Warren's curiosity enough for him to come knocking at our door. >> Sure enough, within minutes, Warren was there at the door, accompanied by >> none other than the great Joni Mitchell, whom he was dating at the time. >> Meg >> was amazed that I had actually pulled this off. I was wearing a long >> 1940's >> tiger-lily print hostess gown with nothing underneath. And the big >> beautiful >> Warren Beatty immediately grabbed me, lifted me up and gleefully spun me >> around. Then he and Joni made themselves at home on the sofa. Warren >> seemed >> to be looking around for a TV camera and refused any drugs, while Joni >> fearlessly did a few lines of coke with Meg and me. They were both really >> down-to-earth and fun. And Warren paid me the biggest compliment of my >> life, >> telling me that, until the Halloween gift, which had arrived while Joni >> was >> there with him, he'd thought the roses wand the poem were from her. Wow, >> and >> it wasn't even one of my better poems." >> >> ~Richard >> n.p. "Stepping Stones", G Love & Special Sauce, as played on WFUV-FM >> streaming online . . .. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:33 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni mention in Cherry Vanilla's book, "Lick Me" Those were the days, my friend. How I loved Reno Sweeney's. It was THE place to see anyone: Barbara Cook, Jane Olivor, Rosemary Clooney, Blossom Dearie. I'm sure list member David Lahm played there many times. Glad Cherry is alive and kicking. Jerry On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Richard Goldman wrote: > So Jerry, I have to quote the Holly reference in Cherry's book, from that > same Fall 1974, that is so funny. > > "Not long before Christmas 1974, I landed my first-ever professional > cabaret gig, as Holly Woodlawn's opening act at Reno Sweeney. > ........................................ > My five night engagement at Reno's went extremely well. I was thrilled with > the $750 I was being paid for the run, and my reviews were really fantastic. > .................... > On closing night, Bowie and Mick Jagger popped in together to catch my last > show. (Holly Woodlawn states in her biography that they came to see *her*, > without even mentioning me, but ...well, let's just say that they came to > see us both.). > David and Mick arrived in the middle of Holly's early show, took a > banquettte at the back of the room, and asked me to sit between them for the > rest of her act. David Smith immediately sent over a bottle of champagne. I > was wearing a black Fredericks' of Hollywood backless, wet-look jumpsuit, > and the feel of those two on either side of me, right up against my bare > skin -- not to mention the thought of the enviable position I was in -- got > me so excited I wanted to scream out loud with delight and hold on to the > moment forever. > When I took the stage for the late show and could see the two of them > sitting there together, looking like they were totally enjoying themselves, > I felt positively high (naturally, I was anyway) and superblessed. They left > right after my set, stopping by the dressing room to give hugs and kudos to > both Holly and me. ....................... " > > > Jerry: since a lot of folks on this list are in LA, where CV lives, I am > guessing some may even know her: she is quite still gregarious and social > there, hugely. Looks the same, neon fuschia hair, skintight lame pants, > etc... > > ~Richard > n.p. "Fire", Bruce Springsteen, from The Promise, as played streaming on > WFUV FM dot org > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: > >> My, my. Fascinating. The 70's was a fun time! Reminds me of one of my >> favorite books, A Low Life In High Heels by Cherry's cohort Holly Woodlawn. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Richard Goldman wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> I'm plowing through the fascinating memoir of the Warhol superstar, and >>> David Bowie's publicist, Cherry Vanilla, titled appropriately, "Lick >>> Me". >>> Just found a Joni encounter, I thought you all would appreciate, so I'm >>> copying&pasting here (I hope CV doesn't sue me! ) >>> >>> (this is during the fall of 1973 -Halloween actually- : while CV was >>> living >>> at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, PR'ing for Bowie/working for Mainman Mgmt) >>> >>> "And besides, there were other major intrigues at that hotel, namely >>> Warren >>> Beatty. >>> Warren lived in the Beverly Wilshire's penthouse, and I was determined to >>> meet him. On my first day at the hotel I sent him a dozen red roses, with >>> a >>> card signed simply Cherry Vanilla. On the second day I sent him a single >>> red >>> rose, accompanied by a poem about an imaginary character named, what >>> else, >>> Beverly Wilshire. On the third day, which turned out to be Halloween, I >>> sent >>> him a pair of Frederick's of Hollywood split-crotch panties, stufffed >>> inside >>> a Tampax super box and wrapped in the dust jacket of John Lilly's *Center >>> of >>> the Cylone*, with a note saying only "trick or treat." Meg Bird had flown >>> out to assist me for a few days and together we hurried to straighten up >>> the >>> suite and ourselves, because I just knew that the Halloween package would >>> stir Warren's curiosity enough for him to come knocking at our door. >>> Sure enough, within minutes, Warren was there at the door, accompanied by >>> none other than the great Joni Mitchell, whom he was dating at the time. >>> Meg >>> was amazed that I had actually pulled this off. I was wearing a long >>> 1940's >>> tiger-lily print hostess gown with nothing underneath. And the big >>> beautiful >>> Warren Beatty immediately grabbed me, lifted me up and gleefully spun me >>> around. Then he and Joni made themselves at home on the sofa. Warren >>> seemed >>> to be looking around for a TV camera and refused any drugs, while Joni >>> fearlessly did a few lines of coke with Meg and me. They were both really >>> down-to-earth and fun. And Warren paid me the biggest compliment of my >>> life, >>> telling me that, until the Halloween gift, which had arrived while Joni >>> was >>> there with him, he'd thought the roses wand the poem were from her. Wow, >>> and >>> it wasn't even one of my better poems." >>> >>> ~Richard >>> n.p. "Stepping Stones", G Love & Special Sauce, as played on WFUV-FM >>> streaming online . . .. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:28:35 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Judee Sill (njc) MattJones wrote: > Sorry to ramble on so, I'm going to go back to Judee Sill this morning! "May you savor each word like a raspberry." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HICN0V7Ohh4 best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:44:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers Volume 132 Just a quick note to remind you (in case you missed it) that Joni Covers #132 is still hot and ready for downloading. Hope those of you who got it (30 folks - sweet!) are digging it. The link will expire on the 15th. So better not RETREAT because I will not be RELOADing it. Here's the target: http://tinyurl.com/4mq2qyf Take your best shot. Bob NP: Buckingham-Nicks, "Frozen Love" (as good as anything the Mac did) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #11 **************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------