From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #8 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 008 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: sorry njc [Michael Paz ] Quiz (NJC) [Michael Paz ] RE: Joni Mastermind [Sam Stone ] Cars we drove/Jazz Fest Hotel room - njc [Jim ] best of new years! njc [shadows and light ] Re: Facebook [shadows and light ] Re: Quiz (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: Quiz (NJC) [Lieve Reckers ] Re: sorry njc ["gene" ] Re: Quiz (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Facebook (some JC in the last point, I think) [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Facebook NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Facebook NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Facebook NJC [Lieve Reckers ] Re: best of new years! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Facebook (some JC in the last point, I think) [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sorry njc Mark we are not speaking to anyone from Seattle this morning. LOL! We are crushed here. We went to friend Kurt's house to see the game on a 10' Hi Def Screen and that made it all the more painful in high resolution. I disagree about the record having anything to do with it. Sometimes a team doesn't get their shit together until late in the season and if they are playing well who cares. The hawks played their asses off yesterday and kicked those lousy Saints ass. Look for a new secondary on the Saints team next year and I also think Reggie Bush has had his day with the Saints. Too bad for all the amazing players that did do their jobs. Anyways congrats to Seattle (a city I really like) oh but I forgot I am not speaking to you bums! AND VICTOR You know we can't pull for the Falcons in a Vick/Ryan matchup! Sorry bud but somethings just ain't possible. WE still love you tho. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Mark wrote: To tell the truth, I don't really follow sports and I would not have been heartbroken if the Saints had won. I would have been happy for Paz and the rest of the Saints fans. I know of at least one person here in Shoreline that was of the opinion that a more deserving team with a winning record should have gotten the play-off berth to begin with. But I am a Seattleite. We had the game on from somewhere around the middle of the 3rd quarter and I was surprised to see the Seahawks in the lead. It was kind of exciting to see them pull it off. Mark in suburban Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: gene Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:26 PM To: Mark ; joni Subject: Re: sorry njc Wow! That was a surpirse. Congrats Mark on the first leg. niner fan---gene :( - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: "joni" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 4:59 PM Subject: sorry njc > Sorry Saints. > > Mark in Seahawks country. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:44:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Quiz (NJC) This quiz was on another list that I am member of and it was fun to do. Test your rock and roll knowledge try it out and I will post the answers next week. Best Paz How many of these questions can you answer without cheating and looking them up on the web? Have fun! 1. Who did Miles Davis describe as he sings as though hes blind? 2. How did Isaac Newton and Pink Floyd manage to see the light? 3. Who advocated hitting a defenceless blind cripple over the head to pay for the LP he was endorsing? 4. Who sang on a Pink Floyd LP track and a Small Faces single? 5. It wasnt after called Oh what a lovely wart or Whos been sleeping in my porridge. What was it finally called? 6. He started with the LAGs, blew harp with the VIPs, formed the American Four, went back to the VIPs to play organ, and formed the Grass Roots. What was the name of his next band? 7. What connects Joe Cocker, Donny Hathaway, George Benson and the Carpenters? 8. What connects Winston OBoogie, Bette Y. El Mysterioso, Apollo C. Vermouth and Ritchie Snare? 9. Who connects the Beefeaters, the Crackers and the Epics? 10. What connects Paul McCartney, Bono, Bob Geldof, and Jimi Hendrix? Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:57:18 -0500 From: Sam Stone Subject: RE: Joni Mastermind Hi Paul, These files don't seem to work--I got this notification: "This content is currently unavailable. Please contact the content owner for more information." Do you know what might have gone wrong? > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Castle > > wrote: > > >> I recently recorded Scottish actress Elaine C Smith's >> appearance on the BBC quiz show 'Mastermind'. Her >> specialist subject was "The Life and Music of Joni Mitchell" - >> just two minutes of quickfire questioning under the >> spotlight in the famous Mastermind chair in front of >> a live studio audience and several million viewers - >> so no pressure then! >> >> Thought it would be fun to see how members of >> the jmdl might get on - so have uploaded her session >> and replaced her answers with a 2 second still frame. >> You can download the file - or watch it online - here >> (*note: if you watch it online and don't have a very >> fast connection, it would probably be best to click >> the play button and once the theme song starts >> immediately click the 'pause' button [bottom left >> of the player] and go and make a cup of coffee or >> something to allow the full stream to load up first - >> so that it doesn't freeze up half way through) >> >> Mastermind 1 >> http://www.screencast.com/t/6RCvmsU0k >> >> Hope this works! I'd be interested to know how you >> get on - remember, you only have one shot at it - >> and you've got to imagine several million people are >> watching you on live television! >> >> best to all >> PaulC >> >> PS If you don't want to try the quiz - or want to check the >> answers and see how Elaine got on, I've also uploaded the >> full session here - >> >> Mastermind 2 >> http://www.screencast.com/t/3NUMPgKfk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:48:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Subject: Cars we drove/Jazz Fest Hotel room - njc If you like old cars, here's a cool slideshow on "cars we drove". I wonder if there's any young-un out there that don't recognize who sang the last song on the slideshow? It is quite obvious but it was the only song he ever recorded (that I know of). http://cruzintheavenue.com/CarsWeDrove.htm 2011 Jazz Fest Anyone interested in a good deal on their own private hotel room (nice, 3 Star hotel room, great location) in the French Quarters for Jazz Fest, eMail me. Minimum 5 nights, either weekend @ about $90 per night (plus taxes/fees). Has to be done before lineup announced though. Jim (gentaman_jim@yahoo.com) 713-398-7774 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:19:41 -0800 From: shadows and light Subject: best of new years! njc i don't post, i know, i know. but i look forward everyday to the bright thoughts found here. i wish each and everyone of you a year of peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:46:58 -0800 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Facebook facebook again... warning! long winded.... hi all! lieve said: > >Because there would be just too much of that information, constantly > updated and > >available, all perfectly nice and interesting, but it would stop me from > reading > >a book, get out into the park, listen to my local jazz band or see the > latest > >art exhibition - not to mention find out how my friends or family are > doing by > >seeing them face to face, or speaking with them on the phone, or writing a > >personal email to them. > lieve, you worried that facebook would seduce you into a vortex where you might stop relating to the world the way you do now. i can't see anyone as disciplined as you a lapsing like that. i, however use it as a way to procrastinate, but it's not all bad. link leads to link, one picture leads to another, but only if i CHOOSE to click. it can be a fun distraction as well as a portal into new avenues of thought. HOWEVER, there is something intrinsically wrong with facebook itself, if someone can add us to a group without our ok. being someone's friend doesn't mean that they should be able to put you into a public group. what if the group was: "bash the whomevers"? and yes, we are notified we're in the group, but what if you were off the grid for awhile and came back and found out that someone had put you in the *i want to be more like atilla the hun group*? i have every privacy option turned on for groups but this is the second time this has happened, both accidents, both times by writers i look forward to reading. facebook needs to fix this. a suggestion to join a group a great. yet, i personally love the illusion of self determination and free will. i wrote facebook about fixing this feature. so, this said....this time it was fine, because i have always been more or less on the same wavelength as jmd listers and am fascinated by the skilled writing, thoughts, and knowledge. i really enjoy the posts. but waking up, to find you are in a group you didn't choose to join, even if it's closed, is not fine. and lieve, i sympathize with your viewpoint on choosing what to share. a friend saying: oh, nice to see you every day at x,y,z is not what i'm looking for there. yes i am paranoid. but working in south-cental la, netted me a death threat once. things like that can make you see things differently. some of our most gifted writers, gerry, for example, are not on facebook. for those who said, oh now we'll see some faces...well, this list does have a gallery, under my profile where photos can be uploaded. enough said. > you can block news feeds to your wall. i sure do. when someone uploads > 200 pictures, i don't want that temptation. i check that person's wall and > catch up maybe once a month. i joined facebook to see far flung family members photos, and of course joni- fests. lesli ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Quiz (NJC) Pretty much stumped me. Bob NP: Stevie, "You Haven't Done Nuthin'" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:24:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Quiz (NJC) Glad I'm not the only one! - ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Muller To: Michael Paz ; Joni List Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 20:37:18 Subject: Re: Quiz (NJC) Pretty much stumped me. Bob NP: Stevie, "You Haven't Done Nuthin'" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:55:47 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: sorry njc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Paz=20 To: Mark=20 Cc: gene ; Joni List=20 Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: sorry njc Mark we are not speaking to anyone from Seattle this morning. LOL! We = are crushed here. We went to friend Kurt's house to see the game on a = 10' Hi Def Screen and that made it all the more painful in high = resolution. I disagree about the record having anything to do with it. = Sometimes a team doesn't get their shit together until late in the = season and if they are playing well who cares. The hawks played their = asses off yesterday and kicked those lousy Saints ass. Look for a new = secondary on the Saints team next year and I also think Reggie Bush has = had his day with the Saints. Too bad for all the amazing players that = did do their jobs. Anyways congrats to Seattle (a city I really like) oh = but I forgot I am not speaking to you bums! AND VICTOR You know we can't pull for the Falcons in a Vick/Ryan = matchup! Sorry bud but somethings just ain't possible. WE still love you = tho. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Mark wrote: To tell the truth, I don't really follow sports and I would not have = been heartbroken if the Saints had won. I would have been happy for Paz = and the rest of the Saints fans. I know of at least one person here in Shoreline that was of the = opinion that a more deserving team with a winning record should have = gotten the play-off berth to begin with. But I am a Seattleite. We had the game on from somewhere around the = middle of the 3rd quarter and I was surprised to see the Seahawks in the = lead. It was kind of exciting to see them pull it off. Mark in suburban Seattle -----Original Message----- From: gene Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:26 PM To: Mark ; joni Subject: Re: sorry njc Wow! That was a surpirse. Congrats Mark on the first leg. niner fan---gene :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: "joni" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 4:59 PM Subject: sorry njc Sorry Saints. Mark in Seahawks country. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of beercheer.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:41:19 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Quiz (NJC) That is unbelievable! I thought you would dwarf me. I only got 4 of them. Ok. I will have to wait till a few more music sluts weigh in. There is still hope if Jerry and Kakki Mark (in dare I say Seattle) and a few others have a whack at them Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Bob Muller wrote: Pretty much stumped me. Bob NP: Stevie, "You Haven't Done Nuthin'" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:59:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Facebook (some JC in the last point, I think) Hi Lesli, nice to see you posting, and thanks for your best wishes to the list in your other message! (It was only when I saw your name at the bottom of this message that I realised who Shadows and Light was!) I guess I am now forever known as the Anti Facebook person. Oh well, so be it. I'll just try to reply with a few bullet points. 1) I could not agree more with you Lesli. Other people should not be able to put you into any other group whatsoever. Only you should be able to do that yourself. 2) I accept that some perfectly normal, balanced people can have perfectly good use out of Facebook. So please let nobody feel they need to justify that to me! 3) I may be weird, but to me it feels profoundly wrong if people find out information about other people which they would normally never be privy to. For instance: my sister-in-law was told by her colleague what her own son was planning to do that weekend, because for some reason he had befriended her son (who had probably no objection to that guy being his friend, but would never go and tell him what he was planning for the weekend). There was nothing malicious or sinister in it, the colleague just had nothing better to do, and I know people will argue that my nephew was responsible for what he posts on FB and that he can control who can read what. But the point is: people are careless, and this is the result, and I find this awful. Other people may not find this serious at all, but it makes me sick, that this intrusion into privacy, this snooping into other people's lives, is now considered normal. At another family gathering I witnessed the same: some auntie asking my son if his girlfriend had enjoyed the concert she'd gone to the previous week. I asked her how she knew about the girl going to that concert, and she said: "Oh I saw it on Facebook!" Again, this auntie has befriended my son's girlfriend and has been accepted out of politeness, simply as a "Why not?" But I am sure my son's GF would never choose to tell the auntie about her concert going, and for that fact alone I am very disturbed by the fact that now she does know. I think both the auntie was wrong for befriending her and looking at what she is doing, and the GF was wrong for posting it. (Some sort of vanity publishing?) But this is the Brave New Facebook World. It feels goddamn wrong, I feel it in my guts, even if nobody else in the world seems to feel it! 4) To come back to the original issue of a JMDL group on FB: well I still think that certain discussions are now taking place on FB that would otherwise have taken place here, and for that reason they are weakening this list. Apart from that, I can't object to people doing exactly what they want to do on Facebook. Time will tell. My best to all, Lieve ________________________________ From: shadows and light To: Kate Johnson Cc: Lieve Reckers ; T Peckham ; JMDL ; Catherine ; lori.fye@gmail.com; Bob.Muller@fluor.com; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; kakki Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 19:46:58 Subject: Re: Facebook facebook again... warning! long winded.... hi all! lieve said: >Because there would be just too much of that information, constantly updated and >>available, all perfectly nice and interesting, but it would stop me from >reading >>a book, get out into the park, listen to my local jazz band or see the latest >>art exhibition - not to mention find out how my friends or family are doing by >>seeing them face to face, or speaking with them on the phone, or writing a >>personal email to them. > lieve, you worried that facebook would seduce you into a vortex where you might stop relating to the world the way you do now. i can't see anyone as disciplined as you a lapsing like that. i, however use it as a way to procrastinate, but it's not all bad. link leads to link, one picture leads to another, but only if i CHOOSE to click. it can be a fun distraction as well as a portal into new avenues of thought. HOWEVER, there is something intrinsically wrong with facebook itself, if someone can add us to a group without our ok. being someone's friend doesn't mean that they should be able to put you into a public group. what if the group was: "bash the whomevers"? and yes, we are notified we're in the group, but what if you were off the grid for awhile and came back and found out that someone had put you in the i want to be more like atilla the hun group? i have every privacy option turned on for groups but this is the second time this has happened, both accidents, both times by writers i look forward to reading. facebook needs to fix this. a suggestion to join a group a great. yet, i personally love the illusion of self determination and free will. i wrote facebook about fixing this feature. so, this said....this time it was fine, because i have always been more or less on the same wavelength as jmd listers and am fascinated by the skilled writing, thoughts, and knowledge. i really enjoy the posts. but waking up, to find you are in a group you didn't choose to join, even if it's closed, is not fine. and lieve, i sympathize with your viewpoint on choosing what to share. a friend saying: oh, nice to see you every day at x,y,z is not what i'm looking for there. yes i am paranoid. but working in south-cental la, netted me a death threat once. things like that can make you see things differently. some of our most gifted writers, gerry, for example, are not on facebook. for those who said, oh now we'll see some faces...well, this list does have a gallery, under my profile where photos can be uploaded. enough said. you can block news feeds to your wall. i sure do. when someone uploads 200 pictures, i don't want that temptation. i check that person's wall and catch up maybe once a month. i joined facebook to see far flung family members photos, and of course joni- fests. lesli > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:55:01 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Facebook NJC Dear Lieve, and others who aren't on FB. As Mark as stated before that he grouped his Joni Mitchell friends on Facebook by accident, I think it's great. Since it is a group that was created, there is nobody else than can see it. For those that don't want to join, they can not accept the invite. You can join FB without putting a single pic up, any info about you, and make your options totally private. It has not taken away from this list at all. It's just another way that we can communicate about Joni or music. Those that want to post their pics, and personal lives, it's fine. Others don't have too. I have nothing to hide, although I do keep my privacy settings so that only friends can see my pics. Most of my Joni friends were already on there even before Mark created the group. I liked the fact that Bob M. could show a pic of the Joni doll yesterday which looked creepy, and there were some funny comments. We can't share pics of any sort on here unless we do a tiny url (which I still can't do) or a be sent to a website, which is a pain in the arse. I have also found that some of my Joni buds that are on FB quit the list a long time ago, so it's nice to stay in touch with them. I have been able to keep up with my friends from long ago, my family, and now my Joni friends in two locations. I may see posts on FB from Bob, Lori, Em, etal, that are my Joni friends, that have nothing to do with our relationship, but I appreciate that they have friends outside our circle. It's a calming effect that I know that they aren't just Joni people. They have lives outside of here, and I get to know them better and love seeing pics of their holidays, children, dogs, or whatever. Like I said, you can set your privacy options so that nobody can know anything about you, but I've really enjoyed the pics and videos that have been posted on Facebook. Just my opinion xo Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:10:46 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Facebook There is one more thing I meant to say in this post. I would hope that information or discussion that would normally be posted to the listserv *is* getting posted on the listserv. Information about Jonifests, concerts, etc. should be posted here, in my very humble opinion. If you do put this type of information on the Facebook group, please, please, please have the courtesy to post it here as well. The listserv goes out to far more people than have been added to the Facebook group and I would not want them to be left out of the information or opinions or discussions or what have you that have always been posted here, on the JMDL listserv in the past. I'm still kind of ignorant as to how the Facebook group works. If members of the group have to be invited and you're feeling left out, email me off list and let me know how to find you on Facebook and I'll send you an invite. Again, I'm still not sure if that's the way it works. Somebody jump in and let me know if I've got it all wrong. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:27 PM To: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Mastermind and Facebook Well I'm a bit embarrassed. I misunderstood at least 2 of the questions that I knew the answers to and I also couldn't think of the name of the painting or the bay. So I only got 8 right. I guess the Facebook controversy has pretty much blown over but I would like to say a couple of things about it. As you know by now, the JMDL Facebook group was created purely by accident when I inadvertently created 'Groups' on my Facebook page when what I really wanted to do was create 'Lists'. I did not intend to create something that would damage or compete with the listserv. I also had not asked Les if he had a problem with a JMDL Facebook group. Les, if you feel the FB Group is a detriment to the list or if you feel the name 'JMDL' is an infringement, please let me know. As I said, I never intended to compete with or take away from the listserv and if I stepped on your toes I apologize. But now that the thing exists, many people seem to have embraced it. I am perfectly willing to keep it up and running as long as Les doesn't have a problem with it and there is no overwhelming consensus that it is harmful to the listserv. I don't know if it's possible or necessary but if anybody feels that it should be put to a vote, maybe that could be arranged somehow. I understand and respect the concerns that have been expressed. But so far, it seems the listserv is thriving (there may even be a bit more activity of late) and people who are posting to the Facebook group are enjoying having the space to put that kind of information. I apologize for taking so long to write this and I hope I'm not unnecessarily re-opening a can of worms. But I feel I had to set the record straight and at least give Les a chance to have a say. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Castle Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 5:15 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni Mastermind Hope this works! I'd be interested to know how you get on - remember, you only have one shot at it - and you've got to imagine several million people are watching you on live television! best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:26:56 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Facebook NJC WoW Mark over 5,300 members! That's amazing! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:55 PM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: Dear Lieve, and others who aren't on FB. As Mark as stated before that he grouped his Joni Mitchell friends on Facebook by accident, I think it's great. Since it is a group that was created, there is nobody else than can see it. For those that don't want to join, they can not accept the invite. You can join FB without putting a single pic up, any info about you, and make your options totally private. It has not taken away from this list at all. It's just another way that we can communicate about Joni or music. Those that want to post their pics, and personal lives, it's fine. Others don't have too. I have nothing to hide, although I do keep my privacy settings so that only friends can see my pics. Most of my Joni friends were already on there even before Mark created the group. I liked the fact that Bob M. could show a pic of the Joni doll yesterday which looked creepy, and there were some funny comments. We can't share pics of any sort on here unless we do a tiny url (which I still can't do) or a be sent to a website, which is a pain in the arse. I have also found that some of my Joni buds that are on FB quit the list a long time ago, so it's nice to stay in touch with them. I have been able to keep up with my friends from long ago, my family, and now my Joni friends in two locations. I may see posts on FB from Bob, Lori, Em, etal, that are my Joni friends, that have nothing to do with our relationship, but I appreciate that they have friends outside our circle. It's a calming effect that I know that they aren't just Joni people. They have lives outside of here, and I get to know them better and love seeing pics of their holidays, children, dogs, or whatever. Like I said, you can set your privacy options so that nobody can know anything about you, but I've really enjoyed the pics and videos that have been posted on Facebook. Just my opinion xo Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:30:41 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Facebook NJC oops That is a fan page created by someone else. I thought Mark's page had turned into a monster. What is the link to that group? I can;t find it! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 9, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Michael Paz wrote: WoW Mark over 5,300 members! That's amazing! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:55 PM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: Dear Lieve, and others who aren't on FB. As Mark as stated before that he grouped his Joni Mitchell friends on Facebook by accident, I think it's great. Since it is a group that was created, there is nobody else than can see it. For those that don't want to join, they can not accept the invite. You can join FB without putting a single pic up, any info about you, and make your options totally private. It has not taken away from this list at all. It's just another way that we can communicate about Joni or music. Those that want to post their pics, and personal lives, it's fine. Others don't have too. I have nothing to hide, although I do keep my privacy settings so that only friends can see my pics. Most of my Joni friends were already on there even before Mark created the group. I liked the fact that Bob M. could show a pic of the Joni doll yesterday which looked creepy, and there were some funny comments. We can't share pics of any sort on here unless we do a tiny url (which I still can't do) or a be sent to a website, which is a pain in the arse. I have also found that some of my Joni buds that are on FB quit the list a long time ago, so it's nice to stay in touch with them. I have been able to keep up with my friends from long ago, my family, and now my Joni friends in two locations. I may see posts on FB from Bob, Lori, Em, etal, that are my Joni friends, that have nothing to do with our relationship, but I appreciate that they have friends outside our circle. It's a calming effect that I know that they aren't just Joni people. They have lives outside of here, and I get to know them better and love seeing pics of their holidays, children, dogs, or whatever. Like I said, you can set your privacy options so that nobody can know anything about you, but I've really enjoyed the pics and videos that have been posted on Facebook. Just my opinion xo Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 23:32:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Facebook NJC Dear Jimmy, I know we will always feel differently about FB and that is fine, I was only trying to explain why I dislike FB so much and why I won't join it, however much people tell me they enjoy it. So for those poor souls like me who will remain refuseniks, please Bob Muller, send us a link to that Joni doll! This is exactly what I mean: FB is stealing info away from the list, and I know it is a democratic legal process. I am just the lone prophet telling you that you are weakening this house, so don't be surprised if with time it falls! Lieve ________________________________ From: "FMYFL@aol.com" To: lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk; cloudhidden101@gmail.com; twoshoes@yourlink.ca Cc: northern.muse@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; lori.fye@gmail.com; Bob.Muller@fluor.com; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; kbhla@fastmail.fm Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 22:55:01 Subject: Re: Facebook NJC Dear Lieve, and others who aren't on FB. As Mark as stated before that he grouped his Joni Mitchell friends on Facebook by accident, I think it's great. Since it is a group that was created, there is nobody else than can see it. For those that don't want to join, they can not accept the invite. You can join FB without putting a single pic up, any info about you, and make your options totally private. It has not taken away from this list at all. It's just another way that we can communicate about Joni or music. Those that want to post their pics, and personal lives, it's fine. Others don't have too. I have nothing to hide, although I do keep my privacy settings so that only friends can see my pics. Most of my Joni friends were already on there even before Mark created the group. I liked the fact that Bob M. could show a pic of the Joni doll yesterday which looked creepy, and there were some funny comments. We can't share pics of any sort on here unless we do a tiny url (which I still can't do) or a be sent to a website, which is a pain in the arse. I have also found that some of my Joni buds that are on FB quit the list a long time ago, so it's nice to stay in touch with them. I have been able to keep up with my friends from long ago, my family, and now my Joni friends in two locations. I may see posts on FB from Bob, Lori, Em, etal, that are my Joni friends, that have nothing to do with our relationship, but I appreciate that they have friends outside our circle. It's a calming effect that I know that they aren't just Joni people. They have lives outside of here, and I get to know them better and love seeing pics of their holidays, children, dogs, or whatever. Like I said, you can set your privacy options so that nobody can know anything about you, but I've really enjoyed the pics and videos that have been posted on Facebook. Just my opinion xo Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: best of new years! njc Good to hear from you! Thanks for you lovely thought, and the same to you! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: shadows and light > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 2:19:41 PM > Subject: best of new years! njc > > i don't post, i know, i know. but i look forward everyday to the bright > thoughts found here. i wish each and everyone of you a year of peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Facebook (some JC in the last point, I think) - ----- Original Message ---- > > > 3) I may be weird, but to me it feels profoundly wrong if people find out > information about other people which they would normally never be privy to. >For > > instance: my sister-in-law was told by her colleague what her own son was > planning to do that weekend, because for some reason he had befriended her son > > (who had probably no objection to that guy being his friend, but would never >go > > and tell him what he was planning for the weekend). There was nothing >malicious > > or sinister in it, the colleague just had nothing better to do, and I know > people will argue that my nephew was responsible for what he posts on FB and > that he can control who can read what. But the point is: people are careless, > > and this is the result, and I find this awful. Other people may not find this > > serious at all, but it makes me sick, that this intrusion into privacy, this > snooping into other people's lives, is now considered normal. > At another family gathering I witnessed the same: some auntie asking my son if > > his girlfriend had enjoyed the concert she'd gone to the previous week. I >asked > > her how she knew about the girl going to that concert, and she said: "Oh I saw > > it on Facebook!" > > Again, this auntie has befriended my son's girlfriend and has been accepted >out > > of politeness, simply as a "Why not?" But I am sure my son's GF would never > choose to tell the auntie about her concert going, and for that fact alone I >am > > very disturbed by the fact that now she does know. I think both the auntie >was > > wrong for befriending her and looking at what she is doing, and the GF was >wrong > > for posting it. (Some sort of vanity publishing?) But this is the Brave New > Facebook World. It feels goddamn wrong, I feel it in my guts, even if nobody > else in the world seems to feel it! This is something that bothers me about FB. In some ways, maybe it's no different than a mutual friend overhearing a conversation and then mentioning to you that they heard your son talking to someone and then tells you waht they were talking about. A polite person might be mindful of that and recognize that, if you're not part of the conversation, then you should pretend you didn't hear it. But sometimes people forget where they heard something. My ex's sisters are on FB and they are "friends" with both of my kids and me, although I've restricted their access to what they can see about me and they don't go on very often. But they and their kids are also "friends" on FB with my kids, and, when my son decided to change his last name on FB to mine, they told my ex, who then interrogated my son about it. It may not be a great deal different than overhearing that conversation between two other people and then "pretending" not to hear it, but there's always a temptation and Facebook seems to be treated a bit differently. I'm careful about what I post sometimes and constantly mindful of not saying things that might attract attention from certain people and I'm lucky that I have a very common name, so it would be hard for many people to find me. I do enjoy being able to share pictures and news with friends and family who live far away or who I don't see often. Sometimes I question whether it's right for me, though, to post a picture of someone else: is it right to do this without their permission? There are privacy features but it's not easy wading through that and deciding who should be allowed to see what. So, I think the thing is that you have to constantly think about what you're saying and doing there, realizing that potentially any comment you make or any picture you post could be accessible to a lot more peole than you realize. And then there's the conundrum of what to do if someone you don't know well asks to be your "friend." You can choose to ignore it, of course, and decide whether you care if you hurt their feelings. Or you can give them some kind of limited access. I've chosen not to ask any of the younger generation in my family (nieces, nephews, friends of my kids) to be my FB "friends" and to leave it to them if they want to "friend" me. I know if I was a young person, I wouldn't want my aunts and parents snooping around in my private life, but a lot of kids don't seem to mind these days. So, I totally get your points, Lieve, and I'm ambivalent about it. If anything, though, it may make me more careful about what I say! I know my son spies on me! So I have to be on my best behaviour! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 23:15:51 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Facebook (some JC in the last point, I think) On 9-Jan-11, at 7:23 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > So, I think the thing is that you have to > constantly think about what you're saying and doing there, > realizing that > potentially any comment you make or any picture you post could be > accessible to > a lot more peole than you realize. This is the case using any Internet tools. One should never forget it. Kate http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com Stubblejumpin' Gal ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #8 *************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------