From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #388 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 31 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 388 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year [B Lux ] Re: NAMM (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year [Lieve Reckers ] Re: Group Participation - not really JC, but list related* [Lori Fye ] Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year now JMDL-on-SMOE vs JMDL-on-Facebook (not to be confused with ham on rye or lox and bagels) NJC [] Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year now JMDL-on-SMOE vs JMDL-on-Facebook (not to be confused with ham on rye or lox and bagels) NJC [] Re: Group Participation - not really JC, but list related* [T Peckham ] Re: Group Participation - NJC now [Lori Fye ] Re: Group Participation ["Mark" ] Re: Group Participation [Lori Fye ] Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year now JMDL-on-SMOE vs JMDL-on-Facebook (not to be confused with ham on rye or lox and bagels) NJC [] Re: Group Participation [T Peckham ] Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year [Lori Fye ] (NJC) Live Chat/IM .......... (was "SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year") [Lori Fye Subject: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year Hi all (those of you who even know me..?) I was happy to join the JMDL facebook group today; reading Dave's comment about what this would mean for the list, I thought it was time to send a little Christmas greeting. I've had a lot happening in my life this year, and somehow, it all relates indirectly to this list. I hope the current symptoms of dwindling are only a passing phenomenon. Well first of all, I got married! Some of you have heard this story before: I joined the list at a time when things weren't so good between myself and the man I eventually married, in fact he was living with someone else. I joined the list after one night when I had a sort of life-saving revelation listening to Joni singing "Love". I loved this list from the first moment - it was almost my first encounter with other Joni-lovers, and so extraordinary to talk to all those people who knew her lyrics in and out, and knew so much extra, and were so spirited. It was also good to talk to people about all sorts of interesting stuff, without being asked about what else was going on in my life, because there wasn't a lot of good news at the time. One thing I was determined about was not to mention the man I was in love with - I needed to focus on something else, and I didn't want anyone googling me and finding me raving about him. Anyhow, he really was my favourite male singer at the time (and now!), so I just couldn't help starting a thread bout favourite male singers. Next thing, Ron from Jo'burg writes back and says, hey, I'm attending a Jim Neversink (that's him) gig next week! Ron went to the gig, instructed to not mention my name. But after the gig, Jim walks up to him and says, "hey I've never seen you at my show before!". I lived in England at the time - what are the odds that I join the JMDL, and next thing some SA JMDL is chatting with the man I was trying to forget when joining?! Anyhow, that was 2005. 2010 Jim and I caught up again, got married now live in Copenhagen together. We've had Oddmund staying with us, for colourful and deep conversation - never a dull moment with him. And Joseph came and was one of the friendliest and most positive guests we have had; he almost treated us with greater hospitality than we did him. Thumbs up for playing Jim's music on his radio show - oh and also the music of a Norwegian friend, Jon-Eirik Lundberg, who came over to party one night. In September, we went to Jo'burg for the launch of Jim's new album, titled Skinny Girls are Trouble. Joni-content aside: I want to say that the Joburgers are among the friendliest and most open and fun people to be around. There is such a feeling of joy of just hanging out, and they are so easy to get into. Unreserved and uncomplicated. So I got to meet Ron in person, he attended the launch and was the gentle and friendly person I had been told about. Ingrid came driving in all the way from Cape Town; we spent a great afternoon in her sister's magnificent villa in a very, very nice neighbourhood in Jo'burg. We talked for a long time about our lives; Ingrid as you know is very serious and honest and said some very encouraging things to me. Come to think about it, she and Oddmund have in common that they think very deeply about things and don't just let a subject drop, once they have started wondering about it. Back in Copenhagen, the same day as Dave and Robin arrived from their UK tour. I must say that I have been battling with logistics and organization this year, but I managed to invite them and Barnaby Finch and his wife over for dinner. Barnaby entertained with pre-dinner music on our then badly-out-of tune piano; another highlight was a post-dinner singing session. You have all heard about the gigs they played in Copenhagen, with Henning and Christina. What a joy! These two duos are great on their own, but the double sessions are fantastic because of the variation. Having Robin and Christina on the same set almost like having Joni at two different stages of her life. The greatest show was a house concert, with Dave, Robin, Henning and Christina. To sit in a nice comfy arm chair with a cup of tea and friendly people around who actually listen to the music, and then not ahve to think about anything else than enjoying such expert musicians.... I am hoping to make it to the Holycombe fest this year; it was such a nice experience last time. A happy new year to all of you, and let's all get out of lurkdom, because some great things have happened through this list! Love Bene (listening to pre-NYEve fireworks outside my office) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:23:07 +0000 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NAMM (njc) Sure hope you can make it out in January, Pazman. I'd have to try to hustle a badge. I'd even go as "Mary Smith" like I did a few years ago. :) Happy 2011 to all!!! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:55:32 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NAMM (njc) It is looking doubtful as I have a free ticket but no extra cash for all the other expenses. Maybe if my number hits on Saturday Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Steve Dulson wrote: Sure hope you can make it out in January, Pazman. I'd have to try to hustle a badge. I'd even go as "Mary Smith" like I did a few years ago. :) Happy 2011 to all!!! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:55:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year Hi Bene! Thanks for your good wishes to the list, and I send you my very best wishes back. But I can't help feeling worried about what you mention, of the JMDL facebook group. Does this mean the list is really about to give up the ghost? (And maybe it's because I'm not on facebook that my own visit to you in Copenhagen this year has already been forgotten?) I know your message was written full of good warm feelings for this list, but it feels like an elegy, a toast to a dear old friend who is about to depart. Well if this FB group is the way people want to go, there is no point in me or anyone else trying to row against the tide, and I am glad that you have at least mentioned it, so that we (the dinosaurs not on FB) know. Is there maybe any more info you can give us? I don't know what Dave Blackburn wrote on this same subject, but maybe it would be useful to share it here? And this may be a desperate and naive request, but would it not be possible to copy the list on all of those FB messages? What would be the technical or practical problems with that? I guess it cannot be done, but I thought I would throw it in here, just to make sure there is not a simple solution we are overlooking. All the best, Lieve in London ________________________________ From: B Lux To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 30 December, 2010 17:12:32 Subject: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year Hi all (those of you who even know me..?) I was happy to join the JMDL facebook group today; reading Dave's comment about what this would mean for the list, I thought it was time to send a little Christmas greeting. I've had a lot happening in my life this year, and somehow, it all relates indirectly to this list. I hope the current symptoms of dwindling are only a passing phenomenon. Well first of all, I got married! Some of you have heard this story before: I joined the list at a time when things weren't so good between myself and the man I eventually married, in fact he was living with someone else. I joined the list after one night when I had a sort of life-saving revelation listening to Joni singing "Love". I loved this list from the first moment - it was almost my first encounter with other Joni-lovers, and so extraordinary to talk to all those people who knew her lyrics in and out, and knew so much extra, and were so spirited. It was also good to talk to people about all sorts of interesting stuff, without being asked about what else was going on in my life, because there wasn't a lot of good news at the time. One thing I was determined about was not to mention the man I was in love with - I needed to focus on something else, and I didn't want anyone googling me and finding me raving about him. Anyhow, he really was my favourite male singer at the time (and now!), so I just couldn't help starting a thread bout favourite male singers. Next thing, Ron from Jo'burg writes back and says, hey, I'm attending a Jim Neversink (that's him) gig next week! Ron went to the gig, instructed to not mention my name. But after the gig, Jim walks up to him and says, "hey I've never seen you at my show before!". I lived in England at the time - what are the odds that I join the JMDL, and next thing some SA JMDL is chatting with the man I was trying to forget when joining?! Anyhow, that was 2005. 2010 Jim and I caught up again, got married now live in Copenhagen together. We've had Oddmund staying with us, for colourful and deep conversation - never a dull moment with him. And Joseph came and was one of the friendliest and most positive guests we have had; he almost treated us with greater hospitality than we did him. Thumbs up for playing Jim's music on his radio show - oh and also the music of a Norwegian friend, Jon-Eirik Lundberg, who came over to party one night. In September, we went to Jo'burg for the launch of Jim's new album, titled Skinny Girls are Trouble. Joni-content aside: I want to say that the Joburgers are among the friendliest and most open and fun people to be around. There is such a feeling of joy of just hanging out, and they are so easy to get into. Unreserved and uncomplicated. So I got to meet Ron in person, he attended the launch and was the gentle and friendly person I had been told about. Ingrid came driving in all the way from Cape Town; we spent a great afternoon in her sister's magnificent villa in a very, very nice neighbourhood in Jo'burg. We talked for a long time about our lives; Ingrid as you know is very serious and honest and said some very encouraging things to me. Come to think about it, she and Oddmund have in common that they think very deeply about things and don't just let a subject drop, once they have started wondering about it. Back in Copenhagen, the same day as Dave and Robin arrived from their UK tour. I must say that I have been battling with logistics and organization this year, but I managed to invite them and Barnaby Finch and his wife over for dinner. Barnaby entertained with pre-dinner music on our then badly-out-of tune piano; another highlight was a post-dinner singing session. You have all heard about the gigs they played in Copenhagen, with Henning and Christina. What a joy! These two duos are great on their own, but the double sessions are fantastic because of the variation. Having Robin and Christina on the same set almost like having Joni at two different stages of her life. The greatest show was a house concert, with Dave, Robin, Henning and Christina. To sit in a nice comfy arm chair with a cup of tea and friendly people around who actually listen to the music, and then not ahve to think about anything else than enjoying such expert musicians.... I am hoping to make it to the Holycombe fest this year; it was such a nice experience last time. A happy new year to all of you, and let's all get out of lurkdom, because some great things have happened through this list! Love Bene (listening to pre-NYEve fireworks outside my office) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:43:49 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year Dear Lieve, just so you know: I'm an initially-very-reluctant and still-often-complaining-about-it Facebooker, and this JMDL "live chat" thing is brand-new. It just popped up late last night on my FB page and in my email account where I receive the List. (Because, obviously, I used this same email address when I signed up for FB.) I haven't even read any of today's chat yet--haven't gotten to it. I've largely stayed out of this conversation when it's come up before, but here are a few thoughts: I don't think it necessarily signals the end of the List--and I don't think anyone who chooses not to be on FB is a dinosaur. As a matter of fact, I think one is ahead of the game in many ways if one is not signed up there. It requires discipline in order not to fritter away time there and vigilance to protect one's information from the relentless data miners. But it has provided me with some very positive things as well, especially getting to know some folks on the List. Much of the allure is the immediacy (and the ability to easily share photos and videos). It is very much what one makes of it. (Altho that is my major complaint: the FB folks have an uncanny knack for "introducing" new formats and features just around the time one has become comfortable with the old. They regularly muck up the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" adage.) While the format lends itself to short quips and quotes, it's possible to have longer discussions. (And now, apparently, LIVE discussions!) So technically, I guess it provides a "chat room" without someone having to separately host one online. (Betraying my dinosaur-era knowledge of such things). I have yet to look into the privacy part of it, tho. (But I bet Chuck has!) ;-) When I joined the List I was initially put off by the way it worked, especially the "Digest Only" option, because I had only experienced a msg. board community format and wasn't accustomed to the sometime lag in responses. (I tried it for a while and found it even more difficult to keep up with--just not my style.) But I soon realized that managing a msg. board (even among the--largely--highly civilized JM community) requires a larger time commitment than a List. I also thought, at the time, that the subscriber-only format meant just that: that only those who belonged to the List could read it--ha ha! I think there is a lot of room for discussion before writing the epitaph for the List format. It would be nice if it were a catalyst for bringing out some of the lurkers. Why not join in and write something? No time? Too shy? Afraid of disagreement? Worried about your privacy? I think there are a couple of things that would revitalize the List--if that's what is wanted--but at least one would require technical changes I don't fully understand. As has been mentioned previously, apparently the SMOE server (?) doesn't allow for the List content to be "locked"--that is, unsearchable by databases and search engines. So the advantage over FB that one thought was there really isn't--tho it's much more obscure than FB. The other has to do with human nature--most people like the "instant gratification" (or not!) of a format like FB or a msg. board. (Tho there certainly can be a lag-time in responses on any online format). Sorry I've blathered on so long here, but I'm still a bit sick, so if anyone's still reading, forgive my lack of editing! I hope perhaps I've sparked more conversation. :-) Terra AKA "Nettie Wherry" on FB On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Hi Bene! > > Thanks for your good wishes to the list, and I send you my very best > wishes > back. > > But I can't help feeling worried about what you mention, of the > JMDL facebook > group. Does this mean the list is really about to give up the > ghost? (And > maybe it's because I'm not on facebook that my own visit to you > in Copenhagen > this year has already been forgotten?) > I know your message was > written full of good warm feelings for this list, but it > feels like an elegy, > a toast to a dear old friend who is about to depart. > > Well if this FB group is > the way people want to go, there is no point in me or > anyone else trying to > row against the tide, and I am glad that you have at least > mentioned it, so > that we (the dinosaurs not on FB) know. Is there maybe any > more info you can > give us? > I don't know what Dave Blackburn wrote on this same subject, but > maybe it would > be useful to share it here? > And this may be a desperate and > naive request, but would it not be possible to > copy the list on all of > those FB messages? What would be the technical or > practical problems with > that? I guess it cannot be done, but I thought I would > throw it in here, > just to make sure there is not a simple solution we are > overlooking. > > All the > best, > Lieve in London > > > > > > > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:12:02 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Group Participation Hey guys, I was wondering why I suddenly got twenty-something notices related to JMDL in my email folder. I discovered someone (Lori ?) included me in a "group forum" of some sort. Now, I love you all very much (really!), but I originally signed on for only the JMDL "digest" because I really didn't want twenty or thirty emails related to Joni (or Facebook), every time I turned my computer on. Now, I find that someone could do the same thing through Facebook. Luckily, I found out how to eliminate that from happening again by restting my preferences on Facebook. Happy New Year! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:29:57 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Group Participation - not really JC, but list related* Kenny B wrote: > I was wondering why I suddenly got twenty-something notices related to > JMDL in my email folder. I discovered someone (Lori ?) included me in a "group > forum" of some sort. My bad, Kenny. Mark Scott started a JMDL group on Facebook last night, and I went a little nuts, inviting (adding) all my JMDL friends. I did wonder if I was overstepping my boundaries. Anyway, JMDL folks: There is a Facebook group for the JMDL. It is a "closed" group, so the "world" can't just jump in and spam us, and the posts show up only on the Facebook "walls" of those who are members of the group. If you're on FB and you're interested in belonging to the FB JMDL group, give a shout out. Lori Santa Rosa, CA * I hope the "Joni only" folks will excuse this one non-JC post. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:59:14 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Group Participation HI Ken You can still be on JMDL and the Facebook link without getting the emails. Simply go to the Facebook page and turn email notifications off on the JMDL Facebook page and they will not come no mo. Happy New Year! Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Dec 30, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Ken wrote: Hey guys, I was wondering why I suddenly got twenty-something notices related to JMDL in my email folder. I discovered someone (Lori ?) included me in a "group forum" of some sort. Now, I love you all very much (really!), but I originally signed on for only the JMDL "digest" because I really didn't want twenty or thirty emails related to Joni (or Facebook), every time I turned my computer on. Now, I find that someone could do the same thing through Facebook. Luckily, I found out how to eliminate that from happening again by restting my preferences on Facebook. Happy New Year! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year now JMDL-on-SMOE vs JMDL-on-Facebook (not to be confused with ham on rye or lox and bagels) NJC I'm still undecided about Facebook. I'm on it and I waste a lot of time on it but I find it contributes too much to a tendency towards ADD, or something very similar. I've liked the list format (this one, that is) because I find chat rooms and message boards too confusing and distracting to read and I have difficulty dealing with more than one thing at a time these days, so chat-thingies don't work for me. I also don't find they lend themselves to any kind of in-depth discussion. I may be wrong about that, but I can't get past the fact that there's stuff coming at you from every which-way, whereas, with this list, they're one-at-a-time and I can decide whether to respond or not, depending on interest, how much time I've got, my mood and so on. I think there's room for both though, and it's possible to be part of both or just one, as one prefers. I suspect I won't be contributing much to the Facebook side of things because one of the things I've decided for the new year is to spend less time wasting time and procrastinating and I've been using the interwebz as an excuse to put off too many things and lately i feel that time's a-wastin' and I need to do something, whatever that is, before I kick the bucket. I also suspect the flurry of messages on the very newly formed jmdl-on-Facebook will taper off and then become more manageable. I suspect that, if I weren't seeing them in my email (and yes, I thought there was something wrong with my email this morning when I logged on), I probably wouldn't even know the jmdl facebook page existed. I just hope that Facebook doesn't take away from the list here. At this point, I don't think it will, but times change, people change, formats change. Even Facebook is old-school at this point! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: T Peckham > To: Lieve Reckers ; JMDL > Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 4:43:49 PM > Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year > > Dear Lieve, just so you know: I'm an initially-very-reluctant and > still-often-complaining-about-it Facebooker, and this JMDL "live chat" thing > is brand-new. It just popped up late last night on my FB page and in my > email account where I receive the List. (Because, obviously, I used this > same email address when I signed up for FB.) I haven't even read any of > today's chat yet--haven't gotten to it. > > I've largely stayed out of this conversation when it's come up before, but > here are a few thoughts: I don't think it necessarily signals the end of the > List--and I don't think anyone who chooses not to be on FB is a dinosaur. As > a matter of fact, I think one is ahead of the game in many ways if one is > not signed up there. It requires discipline in order not to fritter away > time there and vigilance to protect one's information from the relentless > data miners. But it has provided me with some very positive things as well, > especially getting to know some folks on the List. Much of the allure is the > immediacy (and the ability to easily share photos and videos). It is very > much what one makes of it. (Altho that is my major complaint: the FB folks > have an uncanny knack for "introducing" new formats and features just around > the time one has become comfortable with the old. They regularly muck up the > "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" adage.) While the format lends itself to > short quips and quotes, it's possible to have longer discussions. (And now, > apparently, LIVE discussions!) So technically, I guess it provides a "chat > room" without someone having to separately host one online. (Betraying my > dinosaur-era knowledge of such things). I have yet to look into the privacy > part of it, tho. (But I bet Chuck has!) ;-) > > When I joined the List I was initially put off by the way it worked, > especially the "Digest Only" option, because I had only experienced a msg. > board community format and wasn't accustomed to the sometime lag in > responses. (I tried it for a while and found it even more difficult to keep > up with--just not my style.) But I soon realized that managing a msg. board > (even among the--largely--highly civilized JM community) requires a larger > time commitment than a List. I also thought, at the time, that the > subscriber-only format meant just that: that only those who belonged to the > List could read it--ha ha! > > I think there is a lot of room for discussion before writing the epitaph for > the List format. It would be nice if it were a catalyst for bringing out > some of the lurkers. Why not join in and write something? No time? Too shy? > Afraid of disagreement? Worried about your privacy? I think there are a > couple of things that would revitalize the List--if that's what is > wanted--but at least one would require technical changes I don't fully > understand. As has been mentioned previously, apparently the SMOE server (?) > doesn't allow for the List content to be "locked"--that is, unsearchable by > databases and search engines. So the advantage over FB that one thought was > there really isn't--tho it's much more obscure than FB. The other has to do > with human nature--most people like the "instant gratification" (or not!) of > a format like FB or a msg. board. (Tho there certainly can be a lag-time in > responses on any online format). > > Sorry I've blathered on so long here, but I'm still a bit sick, so if > anyone's still reading, forgive my lack of editing! I hope perhaps I've > sparked more conversation. > :-) Terra AKA "Nettie Wherry" on FB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:22:36 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year now JMDL-on-SMOE vs JMDL-on-Facebook (not to be confused with ham on rye or lox and bagels) NJC On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I just hope that Facebook doesn't take away from the list here. At this > point, I > don't think it will, but times change, people change, formats change. Even > Facebook is old-school at this point! > > Can anyone say MySpace??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:52:46 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Group Participation - not really JC, but list related* Ohhhhh! Thanks for the explanation. I checked back into FB late last night, just after several folks had first popped in and then "gone off chat" for the evening. I was on my way to bed too and didn't investigate further. (I thought it was an offshoot of the original Joni page.) I didn't realize it was a brand new group created by Mark S. And now today I just haven't had time to get to it yet. So thanks for adding me--tho I still don't completely understand about the "closed group" thing (or rather, I don't completely trust the folks who run Facebook. ;-) ). And I'm definitely gonna change my settings so all the posts don't also show up in my email account where I get the List. I'm easily overwhelmed--ha! In the meantime, has anyone else read Lieve's concerns about this signaling a possible death knell for the List? (On a thread by Bene--whom I don't really know). I do understand the feeling that one is missing out . . . but that is true of other things, too. The folks who have met up at various Jonifests (and/or in other "real life" circumstances) obviously share experiences the rest of us don't, but fortunately, that doesn't preclude anyone from developing friendships offline. I guess I would recommend that if anyone wants to have a look around FaceBook, create an email account with gmail or yahoo (for instance) using a made-up name and use that (along with the same or another made-up name) to sign up for FB. Don't list your full real birthday or any other identifying info, and set your privacy settings so that only the people you individually approve can see your profile and page. (You can always adjust it.) The only actual info--*I think*--you will be "leaving there" is your IP address. ANYONE--pls. CORRECT ME if I'm wrong about that. Off now to check in on the reindeer games. ;-) Terra On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Kenny B wrote: > > > I was wondering why I suddenly got twenty-something notices related to > > JMDL in my email folder. I discovered someone (Lori ?) included me in a > "group > > forum" of some sort. > > My bad, Kenny. Mark Scott started a JMDL group on Facebook last night, and > I went a little nuts, inviting (adding) all my JMDL friends. I did wonder > if I was overstepping my boundaries. > > Anyway, JMDL folks: There is a Facebook group for the JMDL. It is a > "closed" group, so the "world" can't just jump in and spam us, and the > posts > show up only on the Facebook "walls" of those who are members of the group. > If you're on FB and you're interested in belonging to the FB JMDL group, > give a shout out. > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA > > * I hope the "Joni only" folks will excuse this one non-JC post. > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:01:20 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Group Participation - NJC now > In the meantime, has anyone else read Lieve's concerns about this signaling a possible death knell for the List? I don't really see that happening, although it's a natural concern. I believe the original "Mama Lion" JMDL list will always be the "home base" for most of us. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:02:54 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Group Participation - NJC now I forgot to mention the "closed group" thing. All that means is that any-old-body can't join, plus the group posts won't show up on your general Facebook News Feed -- they will show up only on the News Feeds of other group members. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:03:16 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Group Participation Ok, I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but....HHEEEELLPPP!!! I was merely trying to organize my Facebook people. I was not trying to create a parallel JMDL in Facebook land and I apologize to anybody who is getting messages they don't want. My email is getting flooded as well. I don't want to kill the joy. But I don't want to cause any pain either. Is there a way to contain this a bit and not completely dismantle it? I'm really a Facebook ignoramus, in case you couldn't tell. So any suggestions or help are appreciated! Please!?? Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:12 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Group Participation Hey guys, I was wondering why I suddenly got twenty-something notices related to JMDL in my email folder. I discovered someone (Lori ?) included me in a "group forum" of some sort. Now, I love you all very much (really!), but I originally signed on for only the JMDL "digest" because I really didn't want twenty or thirty emails related to Joni (or Facebook), every time I turned my computer on. Now, I find that someone could do the same thing through Facebook. Luckily, I found out how to eliminate that from happening again by restting my preferences on Facebook. Happy New Year! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:20:18 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Group Participation > I was merely trying to organize my Facebook people. OH! LOL ... that's all you were trying to do? That's a different thing altogether. I can help you with that later on if you want. I don't think you've "dismantled" anything, Mark. It's a new, fun thing to do, and the novelty will likely die down relatively soon. Let's all just make it a point to continue to post here at least as much as we usually do (if not more). Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:42:01 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year now JMDL-on-SMOE vs JMDL-on-Facebook (not to be confused with ham on rye or lox and bagels) NJC Terra/Nettie wrote: > I think there is a lot of room for discussion before writing the epitaph for > the List format. It would be nice if it were a catalyst for bringing out > some of the lurkers. Why not join in and write something? No time? Too shy? > Afraid of disagreement? Worried about your privacy? I thought about some of that last night, and also thought it would be nice to attract some new folks to the JMDL. So I posted to the "Joni Joan Mitchell" page on Facebook: "Fellow Joni fans, are you a member of the Joni Mitchell Discussion List? Visit www.jonimitchell.com and click on the Social Network link, then see the bottom of the page for the "Mama Lion" of them all. "We come for conversation ..." Lori, trying to see life from both sides now Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:45:05 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Group Participation Mark, you probably already know by now, but just in case, and for anyone else . . . To Stop the Email Madness: on your FB page in the top right corner, click on ACCOUNT. Then click on ACCOUNT SETTINGS. Next, click on NOTIFICATIONS. Scroll down to GROUPS. At the end of that category, click on "Change email settings for individual groups." Et voila! As for Ms. Fye--look at all this trouble you've caused! Are you proud of yourself, young lady?!? I thought not. Now go to your room! :-D Terra On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > > I was merely trying to organize my Facebook people. > > OH! LOL ... that's all you were trying to do? That's a different thing > altogether. I can help you with that later on if you want. > > I don't think you've "dismantled" anything, Mark. It's a new, fun thing to > do, and the novelty will likely die down relatively soon. Let's all just > make it a point to continue to post here at least as much as we usually do > (if not more). > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:02 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year Hi Lieve, Several people mentioned your concerns today, and I finally read your post. I don't think the Facebook group -- which, as it turns out, was a bit of an accident on Mark's part, as he'd only intended to organize his friends -- will supplant our long-time email list. Also, you're really not missing anything that wasn't already being shared via Facebook. The "accident" is a happy one because it allows those of us who enjoy live chat to do that together, but, as has already been mentioned, it's a new thing and the novelty of it will likely settle down soon. Hugs, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:05:51 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Richard Thompson NJC I just read that Richard Thompson was made an OBE. Well deserved. Also for Annie Lennox for her work fighting AIDS and poverty in Africa. Happy New Year, everyone. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:36:50 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Live Chat/IM .......... (was "SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year") Laura wrote: > The live chat on the JMDL facebook group is awesome!!! I got to chat with JULIUS!!! That is one very cool thing on the FB group. Live chat/IM doesn't appeal to everyone, but I'm someone whose "computer life" started with AOL and the old Women's Space chat room, so I'm comfortable with that format. Again, folks who don't want to use Facebook: don't stress. It's new today, it will settle down. (That said, the only constant in life is ... change.) Lori Santa Rosa, CA (one county north of Julius) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year Hi Lori, The live chat on the JMDL facebook group is awesome!!! I got to chat with JULIUS!!! Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Lori Fye To: Joni List ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 8:54:02 PM Subject: Re: SJC? Happy new year and thanks for a good year Hi Lieve, Several people mentioned your concerns today, and I finally read your post. I don't think the Facebook group -- which, as it turns out, was a bit of an accident on Mark's part, as he'd only intended to organize his friends -- will supplant our long-time email list. Also, you're really not missing anything that wasn't already being shared via Facebook. The "accident" is a happy one because it allows those of us who enjoy live chat to do that together, but, as has already been mentioned, it's a new thing and the novelty of it will likely settle down soon. Hugs, Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #388 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------