From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #378 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 21 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 378 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- AUTO: Donald R. Barthel/111527/EKC is out of the office. (returning 12/27/2010) [donald.barthel@k] RE: JMDL Digest V2010 #375 ["Felty, Karen" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2010 #375 On Friday. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #375 JMDL Digest Saturday, December 18 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 375 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? ["Randy Remo] Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? [Gerald Nota] New Library item: Instant Collector's Item [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] NJC but Laura Nyro content ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni Covers, Retro edition - Volume 55 [Bob Muller ] New Library item: Mitchell Tames Tanglewood Beast [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.] Happy Holidays! [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Happy Holidays! [Michael Paz ] Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? NJC ["Mark] Fw: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? NJC ["Mar] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:32:47 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? At Les' urging, I've posted the original, slightly longer version of my review of the PP remix on jonimitchell.com: http://jonimitchell.com/music/album.cfm?id=27 Thanks to those who enjoyed the article. RR >> Which I rewrote a bit, and posted on Amazon: >> http://tinyurl.com/39tu6ht >> I've forgotten more than I'll ever know about PP, (not you, Pattie!) >> but amongst other info about the song and the recording, I give the >> exact times the different pianos come in, ad nauseum, etc, etc RR - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:17:47 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? Only on this list and website would you ever get such detailed, expertly written analysis of a music artist's work, a remix no less. I only hope that Joni realizes and appreciates all the hard work and dedication here someday. Great job, Randy. So clearly written, and not one stray syllable! Jerry On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Randy Remote wrote: > At Les' urging, I've posted the original, slightly longer version of > my review of the PP remix on jonimitchell.com: > http://jonimitchell.com/music/album.cfm?id=27 > Thanks to those who enjoyed the article. > RR > > Which I rewrote a bit, and posted on Amazon: >>> http://tinyurl.com/39tu6ht >>> I've forgotten more than I'll ever know about PP, (not you, Pattie!) >>> but amongst other info about the song and the recording, I give the >>> exact times the different pianos come in, ad nauseum, etc, etc RR - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:35:07 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Instant Collector's Item Title: Instant Collector's Item Publication: ICE Date: 1996.11.0 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2328 - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:22:11 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NJC but Laura Nyro content I just got this in lossless format on DIME, but you can get free mp3s here: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=276 LAURA NYRO Critique 1969 [no label, 1CD] TV show on WNDT, Channel 13 in New York with Laura Nyro performing live in the studio. VG+ TV broadcast mono. This is a rare sound recording of a TV series first aired in New York in November 1968. The 45-minute program covered a variety of subjects ranging from drama (Moliere's "The Misanthrope") to film (John Frankenheimer films), sculpture, architecture, poetry, the novel and music. Program five was The Works Of Composer, Lyricist and Singer Laura Nyro. Get ready to hear a very young Nyro solo on the piano playing some of her early songs including And When I Die. The program's presenter, John Daley, does a good job interviewing a young David Geffen, then Nyro's manager. Geffen does his best to explain why the new teenage singer-songwriters are artists first and entertainers second. Nyro is also interviewed and her interviewer, William Ploughman (?), appears to overwhelm her. Nyro was 21 when she appeared on this TV show and she doesn't articulate effectively her views. But we wonder what Nyro thought watching her lyrics being scrutinised on television. It's like a literature lesson rather than popular television as though her school essay was being shown to all. Two critics dissect her lyrics together with John Daley. They are Michael Thomas and Patrick O'Connor. If any reader can elaborate as to who these personalities are, please do. If anyone has the video, please contact us for a trade. The 26-program series ended in 1969. The sound quality is pretty good considering the age of this recording. Just a bit muffled. The bonus interview from 1994 is hissy but clear. We are sharing this as it is, some of the track marks may be off. Enjoy. - - - Professor Red http://www.bigozine2.com/features05/images/images/rays.gif Track 01. Introduction by John Daley (2.9MB) Track 02. And When I Die (2.8MB) Track 03. The Man Who Sends Me Home (3.6MB) Track 04. Captain Saint Lucifer (4.3MB) Track 05. William Ploughman (?) interviews Nyro (10.5MB) Track 06. interview with David Geffen [cut in the middle] (11.9MB) Click here if you reside in the United States Click here if you reside outside the United States Track 07. Mercy On Broadway (2.8MB) Track 08. You Don't Love Me When I Cry (5.7MB) Track 09. Critics discuss Laura Nyro (11.2MB) Track 10. Critics discuss Laura Nyro (2.1MB) Track 11. Save The Country (2.6MB) BONUS Track 12. Interview with Laura Nyro by Richard Knight Jr 1994 [26m] (36.6MB - - - visit the html page to download the track) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:42:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Retro edition - Volume 55 OK, I'm finally getting back on track with these re-releases, here's #55 for those of you have been going back and catching up. I've converted the CD to mp3 files and you can download the zip file's worth right here: http://tinyurl.com/2uqzzoh Tracks: 1. Sam Stephens & Anne Lennox-Martin -Amelia 2. Bruce Foulke -Both Sides Now 3. Vickie Maree-Loach - Big Yellow Taxi 4. Tom Barman & Guy van Nueten -River 5. The Henrys -Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 6. Phillip Keveren -Both Sides Now 7. Don McLean -Baby I Don't Care (You're So Square) 8. Aces & Eights -Raised on Robbery 9. Riguelle & Hautekiet -How Do You Stop 10. Chris Portigal -Both Sides Now 11. Phyllis Chapell -Blue/When Sunny Gets Blue 12. Jim Harmon -The Circle Game 13. The Accidentals -A Case Of You 14. Eva Svobodova -Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 15. Jim Ohlschmidt & Paul Kowalski -Both Sides Now 16. Ann Hampton Callaway -Twisted 17. Billy Davidson -Night Ride Home 18. Kate & CJ -River 19. Mike Beck -Both Sides Now 20. Irwin Ross & His Orchestra -The Circle Game Have fun! Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Strutter" - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:16:02 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Mitchell Tames Tanglewood Beast Title: Mitchell Tames Tanglewood Beast Publication: The Berkshire Eagle Date: 1974.8.28 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2329 - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:13:21 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Happy Holidays! Hi Joniphiles, I just want to wish everyone on this list a very happy holiday. When I leave work today I won't have internet access till after new years, so best wishes to all of you. 2010 was a VERY Joni year for me including playing Help Me with my band Lava Rock, flying to Pazfest II in New Orleans with all my wonderful buddies and a magnificent four day extravaganza pulled off by the amazing Michael Paz, and also our own homegrown Joni Mitchell Tribute in Ithaca in October. Over the break I plan on tabbing a couple of unreleased tunes to upload to the site for my fellow guitar string breakers!! :) I also want to thank all the generous people who mail me Joni-related items during the year. You know who you are! Kisses! I also want to thank Michelle Mercer and Sheila Weller for some good reading material. Michelle, we need a new book about Joni's jazz period!! Hint hint!! :) And of course, a very special thank you to Les Irvin for all he does. Please keep up the good joni work and I will see you all next year... much Love, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:44:13 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Holidays! right back at ya babee! Hope you have a wonderful holiday and that goes for the rest of yas as well. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: Hi Joniphiles, I just want to wish everyone on this list a very happy holiday. When I leave work today I won't have internet access till after new years, so best wishes to all of you. 2010 was a VERY Joni year for me including playing Help Me with my band Lava Rock, flying to Pazfest II in New Orleans with all my wonderful buddies and a magnificent four day extravaganza pulled off by the amazing Michael Paz, and also our own homegrown Joni Mitchell Tribute in Ithaca in October. Over the break I plan on tabbing a couple of unreleased tunes to upload to the site for my fellow guitar string breakers!! :) I also want to thank all the generous people who mail me Joni-related items during the year. You know who you are! Kisses! I also want to thank Michelle Mercer and Sheila Weller for some good reading material. Michelle, we need a new book about Joni's jazz period!! Hint hint!! :) And of course, a very special thank you to Les Irvin for all he does. Please keep up the good joni work and I will see you all next year... much Love, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:54:44 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? NJC It seems to me I remember hearing or reading that Van Gogh sold 1 painting in his lifetime. That might be apocryphal. Does anyone know? I'm not sure that that necessarily means or proves anything in relation to this thread. The 'Big Yellow Taxi' lines have already become figures of our English speech. Will they continue to be over the centuries? 'Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got til it's gone?' seems the most likely to survive the test of time since it's fairly general & abstract and expresses a pretty much universal human truth. The concept of 'Paradise' and the verb 'pave' will probably be around for a long time. But 'parking lot' may become an anachronism at some point in human history. Although I suppose as long as there are vehicles there will be designated places to put or 'park' them. But then there is the depressing thought that there may come a point in time when there is no more Paradise left to pave. I agree with Sue that 'Both Sides Now' is probably going to be the song that survives in popular culture. It is already a 'standard'. There are a handful of Joni's songs that seem to be favorites for interpretive type singers to cover. 'River', 'A Case of You', 'Blue' along with BYT and BSN are at least close to being standards. We have seen these songs chosen as covers by well-known, long established singers like Sarah McLaughlin, k. d. lang & Linda Ronstadt. I don't know if any of the latest crop of performing artists known for their vocal prowess have covered any Joni Mitchell songs. I don't recall seeing names like Beyonce or Mariah Carey on any of Bob's covers collections but I could be wrong and I'm not even sure who the most current 'hot' vocalists are. But then again, it seems like it's usually later in a singer's career that they record 'standards'. Maybe the jury is still out on which songs will ultimately make the cut. But I think 'Both Sides Now' is pretty firmly ensconced in the canon of pop music standards. As for Paprika Plains, will the person on the street know it in 100 or 500 years? Probably not. But I do think that some of the music scholars of the future will study the work of Joni Mitchell. And some of them will come across this unique piece of music and it will at least be noted as a curiosity in Joni's body of work. Some of Joni's output has already had scholarly analysis published about it. I think the rest of it will follow. I think her genius is great enough that her name will live on in the music world. 'Paprika Plains' may generate some buzz as being either a bold experiment or even a masterpiece somewhere down the road. I brought this up once before but it's there nagging at my brain again. I wonder what 'Paprika Plains' would have sounded like if Joni had had the training or time or aptitude or whatever it takes to have scored the entire thing herself. What if that stupid piano teacher had not rapped her knuckles when the young Roberta Joan dared to play her own compositions? Would a structured musical education have enhanced or killed her muse? Maybe there wouldn't have been a 'Paprika Plains' or any of the other wonderful music that we love so much. Or maybe there would have been completely different but equally great music. If she had learned the structure, notation, theory, etc., I'm sure Joni would have had the courage to break the rules eventually but maybe it would have been more difficult, knowing she was breaking the so-called rules. Just about everyone knows the name Beethoven. If you asked most people what he composed you would probably get the beginning of the 5th Symphony. To tell the truth, I probably couldn't hum much more than that when it comes to Beethoven's output. And yet his name is known as one of the greatest composers in human history and 'DUH-DUH-DUH...DUH-DUH-DUH' is not the sole reason for his greatness. The judgment of the moon and stars was based on a lot more than that. By the time he had completely lost his hearing he had already sealed the deal for his immortality. Of course, Beethoven continued to compose after he was deaf. Obviously musical concepts and ideas do not come from writing down notes. Nor, apparently, do they come exclusively from sitting and listening to the sounds coming out of an instrument as you tinker around with it. Beethoven, because of his extensive knowledge of music coupled with the incredible genius of his creative imagination, 'heard' the music in his head. But the only way he had of communicating that music, to leave a record of it or to even get it played was to sit down and notate it on a musical staff. Traditional folk music has survived by repetition and passing music down from one generation to the next but it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to do that with a Beethoven symphony. Sue and other people on this list have spent hours working out tunings and notation for Joni's music. Without electronic recording, however, they wouldn't have anything to work from unless they were able to sit down with Joni and take musical dictation from her playing and singing. But now I've strayed much too far from whatever point was supposed to be in this post to begin with. I think that Bob and Jerry may be talking about two different contexts. If you speculate about how posterity will remember Joni Mitchell, the answer might be 'Big Yellow Taxi' or 'Both Sides Now' when it comes to common knowledge. But if you are framing your question in terms of what the music scholars of the future will find most memorable, the answer just might be 'Paprika Plains'. As Laura quotes so aptly quotes, 'no-one knows.....' We can only make guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching. (Who could say it any better than Joni?) Mark in Seattle - - -----Original Message----- From: Laura Stanley Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:28 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com ; joni@smoe.org ; notaro@mail.usf.edu Subject: Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? NJC "No one knows. They can never get that close. Guesses at most. Guesses based on what each set of time and change are touching." Both Bob and Jerry are experts at what they do, and I respect and enjoy reading the opinions of both. Your's too Sue. I am of the opinion that artistic immortality involves more in the evolution of culture than just popularity as measured by performance. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Here is my gut reaction to this discussion ... Paprika Plains is an > amazing piece of beautiful music ... but longevity comes from deep > levels of simplicity and timelessness, and as Bobs covers reveal, Both > Sides Now will be Joni's boat to immortality ... now if all her other > children can fit in that boat, maybe Paprika Plains will be performed in the future ... > I just think BSN has more of a chance. Just my two cents. > > Take care, Sue > > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Laura Stanley > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:05 AM > To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org; notaro@mail.usf.edu > Subject: Re: Paprika Plains (Remix) - why am I just now hearing this? > NJC > > The Starry Night was a miss but today as you point out is a hit. So > maybe the same could happen with Paprika Plains. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> >> >> >> A perfect example. If you were to stop 100 people on the street and >> tell > them to name a van Goh painting, how many would say "Starry Night"? 95%. > (At > least 95% of those who could name at least one.) >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Third Eye Blind, "Deep Inside Of > You"------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >> to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby >> notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this >> message is prohibited. 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