From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #367 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 10 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 367 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Re: David Mingus [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Subject: RE: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) [Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Subject: RE: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) Thanks again, Paul! I definitely wanted to follow up on Clive's suggestions but hadn't found the time yet. Now with your clips I had such a nice and easy way in, that led me to many further tracks that were just there "for the clicking"! I love practically all I've heard this way, though nothing grabbed me as sufficiently different to make me want to rush out and get the CD as I did with Bon Iver, Fleet Fish, Rumer and Anais Mitchell. But it gave me a couple of hours of lovely listening at my computer, as I was booking the Hadestown show you alerted me to, and some train trips I had postponed booking for too long. All done now! Actually, I didn't know you had a recording studio. You seem to be on to sweet talent there, with Jonnie Murphy! I also enjoyed visualising your story of the skydiver rescue! Lieve in London To: clive sax ; joni@smoe.org Cc: Lieve Reckers Sent: Wed, 8 December, 2010 13:05:56 Subject: Re: Subject: RE: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) Clive Sax wrote >If you like Bon Iver, Lieve you may want to explore the likes of: Alexi >Murdoch, Gregory Alan Isakov, Neil Halstead, The Autumn Defence, The >Guggenheim Grotto, William Fitzsimmons and finally Sun kil Moon. >To name a few. All men here but there are so many female artists that > tread a similar path. Happy Discovering:0) Thanks Clive - few new to me here - already really like Alexi Murdoch (who sounds so like a cross between very early John Martyn and Nick Drake) - love his song 'All My Days' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5IQoIYvTM Also have a couple of albums by William Fitzsimmons - he does a lovely cover of James Taylor's 'You Can Close Your Eyes' - http://blip.fm/~zfqnv Love just about everything Mark Kozelek (Sun Kil Moon) does - his version of Will Oldham's (Bonnie Prince Billy) 'New Partner' has special memories - I was listening to it on my iPod one evening on a walk by the sea in Turkey. A skydiver was coming into land on the sea front when suddenly the guys on the ground realized that it was going to miss its landing spot and all started running and shouting in panic - fortunately they managed to catch it safely - and everyone, including the young girl skydiving, were just screaming with delight and relief, leaving me, watching, listening to this song with tears streaming down my face - http://blip.fm/~zfr75 very best PaulC NP 'Open Up' by Jonnie Murphy - a young guy I'm currently recording in my studio - http://blip.fm/~zfrjh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:54:11 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Subject: RE: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) "Fleet Fish"? Thanks Lieve for my morning chuckle. Bob NP: Local Natives, "Wide Eyes" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:08:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Subject: RE: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) Hahahahahaha! Honestly, that's how I remembered them: Fleet and then an animal starting with "F" - obviously Fish! I had even written it down that way for placing my order with Amazon as soon as I'd find the time. And saying I just chased a real fox (quite young, because with a huge ginger tail) from my garden before my dog got sight of him! With my apologies to all Foxes, and going to hide for a while now in embarrassment! Lieve ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Lieve Reckers Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 9 December, 2010 12:54:11 Subject: Re: Subject: RE: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) "Fleet Fish"? Thanks Lieve for my morning chuckle. Bob NP: Local Natives, "Wide Eyes"------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:14:30 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Subject: RE: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) Didn't mean to embarrass you Lieve - I guess I should have sent that offlist, but I just thought it was cute. And I post typo's and miscues all the time myself. It's great to see you pursuing all this new music. I'm currently wading through several "Best Of 2010" lists, trying to discover things I missed along the way this year. I generally find 1 or 2 but so far everything the critics are heaping high praise on are things I want to just throw on the heap (Sufjan Stevens, I'm looking at you!). Still working on my own Top 20...have picked 15 or so, have to finish it off. Deciding what to leave out is always the toughest part. Bob NP: Santana, "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:16:02 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Paddock BillBoard Title: Paddock BillBoard Publication: Chicago Daily Herald Date: 1968.7.21 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2318 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:15:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: two degrees of separation NJC John Wort Hannam hi Paul, I'm working at home today and have been listening to your radio station over at blip.fm. Now Playing: Requiem for a Small Town by John Wort Hannam...wonderful Canadian singer/song writer. In Winnipeg, there's an inside joke that everyone here is only two degrees of separation away; and here's my two degrees of John Wort Hannam...my dear friend Marcel Desilets is himself one of the finest musicians/singer songwriters from Winnipeg. He's been playing a long side John Worth Hannam on a couple of gigs in recent months, whenever John's in town or near by. I'm thrilled to bits to hear John and know why he chose Marcel as his Dobro side kick. anyway, I was going to post links to Marcel as an offering of local music in the Peg. So thanks for that segue, Paul, and for all the work you put into your station. Wonderful songs, I'm filling up my music journal wish list quickly as a result. here's Marcel, who is truly a kindred spirit brother and beloved friend..y'all would love him to bits....humble quiet loving and with a twinkly eye, he tells a good story, that one. http://www.marceldesilets.com/ enjoy and let me know what you think..and hey Paul, perhaps you can put his songs on your station? I especially love Something In between and The Wind at the Window (which I initially thought (brain blip here) was entitled The Wind and the Willows. Marcel and I have shared many a good laugh over that one. love, Mags ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:37:36 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge Title: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge Publication: Washington Post Date: 1978.1.11 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2321 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:40:52 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On Title: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On Publication: Washington Post Date: 1977.11.27 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2322 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:58:37 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Remembering albums for the look as much as the music Title: Remembering albums for the look as much as the music Publication: BookForum.com Date: 2010.9.0 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2324 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:11:52 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Loving Joni a little Title: Loving Joni a little Publication: Sounds Magazine Date: 1970.11.28 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2325 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:18:32 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge Wow! I can't believe this review of DJRD. It is the complete opposite of how I feel about this work. Very timely since I just listened to it 3 times in the last couple of days. If you want to read a pretty hateful review of DJRD, this is it. Jack In a message dated 12/9/2010 11:38:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com writes: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2321 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:25:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: New Library item: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On This is probably a message for Les. I see that this article, and the other one, the review of DJRD, has some in-built problem with apostrophes (showing them as the word "'s" which is quite distracting). I would be happy to clean up those texts for you, so let me know if that would be useful, and how I should go about it. All the best, Lieve ________________________________ From: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 9 December, 2010 17:40:52 Subject: New Library item: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On Title: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On Publication: Washington Post Date: 1977.11.27 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2322 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:00:35 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge It reads like it's from someone who resented Joni's artistic progression. Reminds me of her quote "they condemn you for changing, they condemn you for staying the same, I'd rather change since it's more interesting" (paraphrased). I'll give him this; in 1978 it was WAY out of step with what everyone else was doing. To most of us, that's a good thing. With a couple of exceptions (the title track and Talk To Me) it's not even related to its predecessor. But to say that it doesn't exhibit the lyrical brilliance of her earlier work is just flat out wrong. OK, maybe you could make that case for Tenth World. I wonder what the reviewer thinks of it now, 33 years later. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "All These Strangers" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:17:15 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge I like that you say artistic progression here Bob. I would love to ask Joni what was the moment in her career when she knew she was taking off into a totally different direction ... If I were to guess after the Blue/For the Roses period of feeling so raw, I don't think she could ever go back to the folk/rock "mafia" that was going on in LA. I guess I realized this when I was listening to "Lesson In Survival" this morning. "Your friends protect you, scrutinize me, I get so damn timid, not at all the spirit that's inside me." So she hits the road "Snake kite flying on a string." I also have been "living" with DJRD this month and it's really amazing. Although I understand what the author means when he says " Mitchell's own guitar, once the silky accompaniment for her passionate vocals, is clipped and metallic and all the songs hum like a large generator," I like that her tunings are more discordant and layered. It fits with the impressionistic lyrics, I think. Joni is PROG. :-) Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 3:01 PM To: Merk54@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge It reads like it's from someone who resented Joni's artistic progression. Reminds me of her quote "they condemn you for changing, they condemn you for staying the same, I'd rather change since it's more interesting" (paraphrased). I'll give him this; in 1978 it was WAY out of step with what everyone else was doing. To most of us, that's a good thing. With a couple of exceptions (the title track and Talk To Me) it's not even related to its predecessor. But to say that it doesn't exhibit the lyrical brilliance of her earlier work is just flat out wrong. OK, maybe you could make that case for Tenth World. I wonder what the reviewer thinks of it now, 33 years later. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "All These Strangers" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:42:27 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Thanks to T Peckham for this old article about the reunion ... This has also been on JM.com since 97: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=94 On 12/7/2010 2:03 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/news/a-mother-and-child-reunion-via-the-web/97755 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:52:35 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:00 PM To: Merk54@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge It reads like it's from someone who resented Joni's artistic progression. Reminds me of her quote "they condemn you for changing, they condemn you for staying the same, I'd rather change since it's more interesting" (paraphrased). I agree with Sue. This quote is the perfect response to that review, Bob, and the review does sound resentful, to say the least. The way the actual review reads, it seems the reviewer is the one that's bitter. The language in it fairly drips acid. It's not like the let's-see-how-nasty-and-sarcastic-I-can-get-just-to-be-funny reviews that you see so often on blogs or personal web-sites. It's well-written and doesn't seem to be going for snarkiness. But boy does it ever miss the mark in interpreting DJRD or understanding Joni's artistic direction! Or any thing between DJRD and the 'lyric brilliance and vibrant feel of "Court and Spark"'. Shame on Joni for recording something popular and then refusing to get stuck in a rut! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #367 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------