From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #364 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 7 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 364 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) [Paul Castle ] Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) [Garret ] RE: Joni with child [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Sue's Part and Joni with Child [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Sue's Part and Joni with Child [Mags ] RE: Joni with child [Mags ] Re: "Amelia" transcription [Dave Blackburn ] Re: "Amelia" transcription ["Mark" ] Re: Hair njc - very long [Lieve Reckers ] Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes [Lieve Reckers ] RE: Joni with child [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes [Garret ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:38:11 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) Never quite sure how to pronounce Bon Iver - some insist on the French for winter (hiver) and others say it's "I've a" His song 'Stacks' is my personal favourite - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePatJIwB-sI Peter Gabriel recently recorded his song 'Flume' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdR3_fTDF4U Really like Anais Mitchell's 'Wedding Song' with Justin Vernon (aka Bon Iver) - from her Grammy nominated folk opera 'Hadestown' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JzSHReiG0c best to all PaulC NP Rumer singing Jimmy Webb's 'The Moon's A Harsh Mistress' - http://blip.fm/~xzphi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:50:44 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) Lieve, it is a very beautiful album. I'm going to have to listen to it now that it's my head! Paul - i think it's more like the french winter. Laurent suggested that to me once. When i saw them in concert Anais Mitchell was the support act and she pronounced like hiver. I did not enjoy her set at all, mind you. GARRET On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > Never quite sure how to pronounce Bon Iver - > some insist on the French for winter (hiver) > and others say it's "I've a" > > His song 'Stacks' is my personal favourite - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePatJIwB-sI > > Peter Gabriel recently recorded his song 'Flume' > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdR3_fTDF4U > > Really like Anais Mitchell's 'Wedding Song' with > Justin Vernon (aka Bon Iver) - from her Grammy > nominated folk opera 'Hadestown' - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JzSHReiG0c > > best to all > PaulC > > NP Rumer singing Jimmy Webb's 'The Moon's A > Harsh Mistress' - http://blip.fm/~xzphi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:33:29 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni with child I don't have any more to reveal about that. That was the extent of my involvement and knowledge. Sue just cog in great wheel of life! :-) The only other thing I can relay about that time was Wally offered me a front row seat at the filming of Painting with Words and Music and I couldn't go because I couldn't afford the airfare. One of the great regrets of my life. Boo hoo!! Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com [mailto:jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:10 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; carmel rotem; JMDL; Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni with child Great story, Sue. I don't think I've heard the whole story before. Is there more? Jim L'Hommedieu - ----- Original Message ---- From: Susan Tierney McNamara I was there... Anyway, for those who were around in those days the creation of a Joni Mitchell discussion list was something I had been pressing Wally Breese to think about running from his website but he was not interested for a variety of reasons.B He finally conceded to a web based message system on his Joni Mitchell site which was not very interactive (actually people would email me and then I would post the messages manually!).B Somewhere within that time, Les Irvin started the JMDL and I was overjoyed!!!B So I was moderating the Wally web-based message list while also reading and posting on the JMDL. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:43:29 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Sue's Part and Joni with Child Thanks Laura. I had the same experience as you when I finally got on the internet. My first search was Joni Mitchell and I found Wally's site in its toddler stages. I contacted him to see if he needed help and he took me up on his offer. I did a lot of typing, transcribing tapes, and writing reviews of concerts. Then when Les started the JMDL I jumped in with both feet. At the time I found these two internet communities, I was going through probably the hardest time in my life personally and the joy I found from working with Wally on his bio pages and Les with the tunings site brought me out of a really dark time. I think Joni would agree that creativity is healing and restorative (as well as listening to her music). Sue PS By the way, I'm so grateful for Les Irvin. JoniMitchell.com is the VERY BEST music website on the planet as far as I'm concerned. THANKS LES (and if you can, send the site money!!) From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:08 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Sue's Part and Joni with Child Sue, Thanks for sharing your story of You, Joni, Kilauren, Les and Wally. Love it! I was there back then, in the earlier JMDL days, but don't remember, or never knew, all the details and how you all interacted that eventually led to the Joni/Kilauren reunion. Your story puts the pieces together. You sure should feel like a big part of it.........wow! Because you are. And "astounding" (your choice of words) is exactly what it is. It's as if you were "used' by the powers above to be in a position to begin the process of bringing Joni and Kilauren together. And thank the heavens for the website and the JMDL and it's 'Masters', as well! The whole combination of this technology that brought these two together. You told Mags that you "have a problem taking credit for hitting a forward button". Here's my little story to add to show how something that may appear not very meaningful... is. In the "old days" I was completely computer illiterate. My husband brought a computer in the house and I was not friendly toward it. It seemed like just another way to waste time. I watched and listened, somewhat annoyed, while my husband was so excited about it and his perceived impact it would have on the future....but I couldn't feel the same excitement....I didn't really 'get it'. Then one day he said "I have a surprise for you....." he showed me the Joni website he had found (and he's NOT a fan) and told me he had signed-me up for a discussion list. When I saw that website I was amazed! Well......he couldn't keep me off the computer after that (and now have my own computer).......between Joni and, eventually finding a website & discussion list for coupons (LOL), I was hooked. It was the beginning of understanding the impact of the internet and the joy of the 'search' button!! And 'till this day I always credit my husband for taking the time and finding the Website and bringing me here!! Everyday I click-on the Website and see the words: JoniMitchell.com I can still remember that first excitement.....because I'm still excited about it! ... If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping in a closed room with a mosquito. I've seen this as someone's signature. I can't remember if it's someone from the JMDL (?) or not. Anyways......thank you, Sue!! Laura NP: Kilauren/Joni Reunion http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=152&from=search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:54:54 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni with child It was also very surprising to me that back in the day (1994 when TI came out) there was still hardly any Joni presence on the internet. I think we are now pretty used to instant news gratification with the internet. It's hard to believe that in the olden days news didn't really travel as fast as it does today. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Monika Bogdanowicz Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 4:30 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni with child It is rather odd that nobody picked up on that article about Joni giving up a child as you all mentioned. I mean, the press loves that stuff. You wouldn't see them run with, "Joni Mitchell comes up with song at Canada home" but personal stuff like that? I'm very, very surprised. - -M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 07:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: RE: Sue's Part and Joni with Child And we are grateful for you and all of your generous work which has and continues to effect change for so many of us. Thanks, Sue. You are a woman of heart and mind, and I am so glad you've been able to find comfort here, with no need to explain ;-) love, Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 07:12:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: RE: Joni with child Monika, did you mean now or then? I think there was quite a bit of press about Joni and the reunion with her child. Sorry if I'm off the mark here by not understanding what you meant. I know that this story has meaning for all of us, as we wonder around this loving community. Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:04:00 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: "Amelia" transcription Hey Sam, Larry Carlton was known for doing great volume pedal swells that sounded like steel guitar, which also frequently uses volume pedal swells. When the chord has no audible attack it's hard to tell them apart. Yes I'd be way into a chat with Mr 335, one of the most important session musicians ever, in my opinion. P.S If you want to hear Amelia with real lap steel guitar check out the Mutts of the Planet version (links in signature line). thanks, Dave - ------------------------------------------------- New CD available now! "Safaris to the Heart: The Songs of Joni Mitchell" by Robin Adler & Mutts of the Planet. To listen or learn more: http://www.reverbnation.com/robinadlermuttsoftheplanet To purchase: http://www.robinadler.com/products.html On Dec 5, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Sam Stone wrote: > JMDLers, > > two or three days ago, I emailed LARRY CARLTON to answer the question that's > been eating me up: "Is there a pedal steel on the left channel of Amelia, or > is it just effects?" > > Well, he answered!! Here's his message: > > > "Hi Sam- > I am on the left-but NO steel gtr or special tuning.Just me, a Volume pedal > and my 335. > Good luck and my best. > LC" > > > I can't explain to you all how happy I am right now!!!!!!!!!! Something I'm > wondering: If I could arrange it, how would you all feel about having an > internet chat with Larry? I'd need some help to co-ordinate the actual chat, > but how about it?!?! > > > > --Sam > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Sam Stone wrote: > >> Okay, >> >> To solve this problem I have sent an e-mail to the only person who can >> truly answer the question of "guitar with effects" of "pedal steel": the man >> who played the part himself-- Mr. 335, LARRY CARLTON! I'll reply again when >> he answers!! >> >> >> --Sam >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Sam Stone wrote: >> >>> Hi again JMDL-ers! >>> >>> Last time I left you, I had just purchased Clouds on LP. Since then I >>> have listened to, absorbed, and--when possible--played along to all the >>> other Joni albums! >>> >>> I just overcame my fear of post-1972 Joni and borrowed my aunt's Hejira >>> LP. I'm totally fascinated by it. So far my favorite track is "Amelia." >>> The moment I heard it I thought, 'I need to learn this.' So I went to the >>> guitar archives and played along!!! Fun time to be had... >>> >>> Anyway, upon further examination of the track, I have realized that there >>> is another guitar part -- pedal steel guitar -- that I really like. >>> Since I don't play pedal steel guitar, I started thinking of how I could >>> play this. I realized.....harmonics! >>> >>> Are there any transcriptions available of the pedal steel part arranged >>> for guitar or will I have to make my own? And what tuning would that be >>> in??? >>> >>> >>> Thanks for everything, >>> Sam >>> PS: If this is in the wrong section/list please inform me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:05:04 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: "Amelia" transcription And a beautiful version it is, too. As are all the tracks on 'Safaris to the Heart'. Mark in Seattle Mutts of the Planet fan - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn \ P.S If you want to hear Amelia with real lap steel guitar check out the Mutts of the Planet version (links in signature line). thanks, Dave - ------------------------------------------------- New CD available now! "Safaris to the Heart: The Songs of Joni Mitchell" by Robin Adler & Mutts of the Planet. To listen or learn more: http://www.reverbnation.com/robinadlermuttsoftheplanet To purchase: http://www.robinadler.com/products.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:58:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Hair njc - very long Hi Mark! I enjoyed your review very much. I also went to see Hair a few months ago, just at the end of its rather short London run. And for me too, there was a personal history related to it! If for you it was a story of missed chances, for me it was a story of a half grabbed, half-missed chance! You see, I saw the original in London when I was here with a school friend on a week-long visit from Belgium in 1969. Our parents rather naively thought it was safe to let us travel on our own, assuming that the B&B people would keep an eye on us, and so we spent all day in great excitement in places like Carnaby Street, and the evenings in music clubs and yes, seeing Hair. Of course, most of the "dirty language" went straight over our head, but we loved the music. What I mean by the half missed chance: well staying in a B&B in the suburbs meant we had to catch the last train back, and that meant we could only see the first act! So I was determined, this time, to see the full version! I can identify with everything you write. Most of those thoughts went through my head too: are we here to relive our youth, our memories? And what do we make of it, this time round? I felt a bit uneasy seeing these kids, born so much later, act out and represent what "I had been". In a way, I wish I could have been one of those actors: at the same time young, and the real thing. But that's of course impossible, we had to be either one or the other now: young or real. And for some reason, I did not want to go up on the stage at the end, in spite of all the encouragements from the cast. Mixing the "acted out youth" with the "real but aged hippies" did not sit well with me. It's not a judgment, I saw people of my age up there and having a great time, and that's wonderful, but I just couldn't do it, not together with those young made-up hippies. I also had mixed feelings about the show itself: the music is so strong, but some of the sentiments and language are often so naive. As you say, Hair represents so much: a celebration of freedom and youth culture, a protest about war, and also a new wisdom about environmental issues. But to get all that without distraction, I almost think I prefer to hear the soundtrack and imagine the show in my head. Still, I am glad I went and saw the whole of it, and I am glad that your post made me reflect on it! All the best, Lieve - ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark To: joni Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 3:24:31 Subject: Hair njc - very long My apologies in advance to the digest people for the unpardonable length of this post. But it just had to come out. Travis and I went to see 'Hair' last Sunday afternoon at the Paramount Theater in Seattle. The production is part of the tour of the Broadway revival that won the 2009 Tony Award for Best Revival of a Musical. It was also the Seattle premiere of this particular run. Since seeing this show, there have been all kinds of thoughts and feelings churning around in my head I have a history with this musical. Basically it's a history of missed chances. When I was in high school the Thespians (or Drama Club, as it is usually called) would take a trip to Chicago every spring. We would stay at the Palmer House and see a couple of plays. I loved these trips. I loved Chicago and the excitement of seeing professionally produced live theatre. Well it happened that a production of 'Hair' was playing in Chicago at the time of one of these trips. But any of us young Thespians that wanted to see it would have to get a permission slip signed by a parent before we would be allowed to go. 'Hair' was infamous back when it first appeared in New York for some of the language that was in it. It also contained what I believe was the first nudity in a Broadway stage production. My mother had heard about the words that 'sound so nasty' and refused to sign my permission slip. I was *so* mad at her! Later that same spring my sister gave me the Broadway cast album of 'Hair' for my birthday which contained most of the off-color language that my mother didn't want me to hear. I played it in my room quite a bit and if Mom ever listened closely enough to hear some of the more objectionable lyrics, she never mentioned it. She probably wouldn't have thought that a record album of songs from a Broadway show that you could buy in almost any store that sold records would contain anything 'dirty'. But whether she liked it or not, I heard those words. I also picked up on the messages contained in the songs. This would have been around 1970. May years later, around 2003 or so, Travis and I went to visit my folks in Iowa. While we were there, I had an outbreak of shingles. On my derriere. The doctor in the ER at Keokuk Community Hospital prescribed some pain killers to get me through the ordeal since there isn't much else you can do to treat shingles. Anyway, my brother and his family live in Omaha so that is where we would fly in and out of when we went to see my parents. We had to drive across the entire state of Iowa to do this. On the way back to Omaha from Keokuk, I took a pain pill since riding in the car was not at all comfortable. After a while I felt just fine. Better than fine, actually. A while later I took another pill. It's a long drive across Iowa. It turned out that my brother and sister-in-law had gotten tickets to a production of, yes, 'Hair' in Omaha Nebraska, of all places. Well pain killers don't sit very well with me if I take them over a period of time. I was very sick that night and was unable to go to the show. So I missed 'Hair' again. Thus having never seen any version of the original Broadway or off-Broadway productions of 'Hair', I have nothing to compare the revival to. All I can say is that the production Travis and I saw was very, very good. It was full of energy, great singing and acting and seemed to capture the spirit of what was going on with a high-profile segment of American youth in the late 1960s. The performers ran up and down the aisles and were really in the faces of the people in the front row. They brought people from the audience up on stage to dance during the final ovation. All of them seemed to be totally into their roles and the world of the 'tribe'. Maybe their clothes were a little too clean and pressed to realistically portray what the hippies were like and all of them were very attractive young people. But they actually seemed to 'get' what they were putting across to the audience. I had to wonder how this group of actors who couldn't have been born when the show was first produced managed to make their characters so convincing. Hopefully, they did some research and learned something about the cultural shifts that were happening back in 1967. Then there was the audience. They were mostly around my age (56) or older. Most of them looked like average, middle class people, probably living comfortable lives with enough income to afford seeing a theatrical production in downtown Seattle every now and then. I couldn't help wondering what they were thinking, seeing these characters, made up of very young people (one of the leads ecstatically proclaims that he has been expelled from school) dancing and romping around the stage and into the audience, speaking and behaving irreverently and outrageously, sometimes with total political incorrectness, and, at one point, removing their clothes to stand (dimly lit) completely nude in full view of the audience. Now I suppose that the people in the audience knew what to expect. Unless some of them had been living in a cave for the greater part of their lives, they surely knew enough about 'Hair' not to be too surprised or shocked by it. And after all, this was just a musical play, meant to entertain although the review of the show in the Seattle Times did say that "'Hair' still holds the record for the most profanity, nudity, sexual candor and non-PC chutzpah in a classic Broadway musical." But I felt in my gut that there was more to it than that. Somewhere in the back of my head I started to speculate. Were some of these people seeing younger versions of themselves up there on that stage? If so, was there a bemused reaction of nostalgia and a mental shaking of the head at the irresponsible and naove nature of what seemed to be so much fun? Was there any feeling of regret that some lives had become mundane and routine, working for 'the man' with 'a mortgage and a lawn to mow'? I was just a tad too young to have been part of the 'flower children' so I have a bit of a mythologized, romanticized picture of what they were all about. When the first strains of 'The Age of Aquarius' came flowing out over the audience, I got caught up in the joyful, carefree playfulness. It took awhile for me to have that shaking my head reaction at the naivete and irresponsible aspects of the speeches and actions of the actors who were, after all, playing characters that were mostly little more than kids. And I wondered if 'Hair' had become the hippy generation's version of 'Grease', a nostalgia piece. But I have since come to the conclusion that there is a difference. 'Grease' was written and produced in the early 70s as a portrayal of the 50s whereas 'Hair', when it was first produced, was a theatricalized representation of what was happening in a certain culture at the time it was happening. It is now more of a historical piece but at the time of its premiere, 'Hair' was hip. 'Hair' hit a nerve. The show produced several top 40 hits: 'Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In' by the 5th Dimension, 'Easy To Be Hard' by Three Dog Night, 'Good Morning Starshine' by Oliver, 'Hair' by the Cowsills. I don't think there have been that many songs to come out of a Broadway musical that were covered by pop artists with so much success since 'Hair'. I just looked up the Wikipedia entry for 'Grease' and read that the original production was a lot grittier than the sanitized movie versions and subsequent toned-down stage productions. So, at least as far as the original 'Grease' is concerned, the show can't be dismissed as a nostalgic, glossed-over look at 50s youth. 'Hair' had the dark undercurrent of the Viet Nam war underlying it and the ritualistic burning of draft cards steers it away from the playfulness and toward its tragic conclusion. The war was one of the main drivers of the rebellion and moral ambiguity that flared up in the U.S. back then. I was in the last draft after the lottery system was in place. I had a fairly high number with little likelihood of being called up but I still remember the anxiety and outright fear that the thought of being drafted and sent to fight in a war caused in me as my 18th birthday and graduation from high school approached. I was a straight-laced, fairly conservative kid but some of that conservatism was starting to erode and that cast album of 'Hair' was part of the process of my finding the courage to think for myself. And in spite of the maybe foolish and naove nature of the flower children portrayed in 'Hair', there was also a certain amount of wisdom that came out of that culture and era. 'Hair' took a hard look at racism and at least one song, the comic but biting 'Air' dealt with pollution. How many people in 1967 thought we would actually see the beginning of global warming in our lifetime? The 5th Dimension took the opening and closing numbers from 'Hair' to produce their hit medley 'Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In'. Taken out of its context and coupled with the first song, the latter sounds like a chant of psychedelic celebration. Following the dark images of 'The Flesh Failures' in 'Hair', the chords heard in the vocals of 'Let the Sunshine In' produce a passion and anguish coming from the stage as the final tragedy of the play is revealed to the audience. It hit me in the gut and produced a lump in my throat. But the cast came back for their ovation with a rousing reprise of the the title song and had the audience on their feet, clapping in time with the music. They ran into the house once again and brought people from the audience up onto the stage to join in their celebratory dance. It sent us out on a high. We went home to our house in the suburb of Shoreline and I caught the bus to downtown Seattle the next morning for another day at my desk job. But, for me, anyway, there remained an impression of something deeper than a portrayal of a time of music, dancing, drugs, sex and general youthful rebellion. 'Hair' still had the power to move me deeply and I am so glad I finally got to see it and see such an excellent production of it. Gimme a head with hair Long beautiful hair Shining, gleaming, steaming flaxen waxen Gimme down to there Shoulder length or longer Here baby, there mama Everywhere daddy, daddy Hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair..... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:24:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes Hi Garret and Paul, yes I also read that he took the name from "bon hiver", meaning "good winter" ("hiver" is pronounced as "eevair"). Bit silly to drop the "h", I think, because that just confuses the matter! And thanks for the recommendations! I had not thought of looking for the tracks on YouTube. Can I be greedy and throw in another name? The Fleet Foxes? Again like with Bon Iver, I like what I read and hear so far! It may be silly to keep asking when I can hear for myself, but I find that I often like something at first, but then after a while it begins to sound so empty. So if anyone has been living with this music for a bit longer, I would like to know how it wears with time. Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Garret To: Paul Castle Cc: Lieve Reckers ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 10:50:44 Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) Lieve, it is a very beautiful album. I'm going to have to listen to it now that it's my head! Paul - i think it's more like the french winter. Laurent suggested that to me once. When i saw them in concert Anais Mitchell was the support act and she pronounced like hiver. I did not enjoy her set at all, mind you. GARRET On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Paul Castle wrote: Never quite sure how to pronounce Bon Iver - >some insist on the French for winter (hiver) >and others say it's "I've a" > >His song 'Stacks' is my personal favourite - >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePatJIwB-sI > >Peter Gabriel recently recorded his song 'Flume' >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdR3_fTDF4U > >Really like Anais Mitchell's 'Wedding Song' with >Justin Vernon (aka Bon Iver) - from her Grammy >nominated folk opera 'Hadestown' - >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JzSHReiG0c > >best to all >PaulC > >NP Rumer singing Jimmy Webb's 'The Moon's A >Harsh Mistress' - - http://blip.fm/~xzphi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:32:31 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes Love them. I posted about them last year to the list. I think Muller likes them, also. Jerry On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Hi Garret and Paul, > yes I also read that he took the name from "bon hiver", > meaning "good winter" > ("hiver" is pronounced as "eevair"). Bit silly to drop > the "h", I think, > because that just confuses the matter! > > And thanks for the > recommendations! I had not thought of looking for the tracks > on YouTube. > Can I be greedy and throw in another name? The Fleet Foxes? Again like > with > Bon Iver, I like what I read and hear so far! > It may be silly to keep asking > when I can hear for myself, but I find that I > often like something at first, > but then after a while it begins to sound so > empty. So if anyone has been > living with this music for a bit longer, I would > like to know how it wears > with time. > Lieve in London > > > ________________________________ > From: Garret > > To: Paul Castle > Cc: Lieve > Reckers ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 > 10:50:44 > Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) > > > Lieve, it is a very > beautiful album. I'm going to have to listen to it now that > it's my head! > Paul - i think it's more like the french winter. Laurent suggested that to > me > once. When i saw them in concert Anais Mitchell was the support act and > she > pronounced like hiver. I did not enjoy her set at all, mind you. > GARRET > > > > On > Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > Never quite sure how to pronounce Bon Iver - > >some insist on the French for > winter (hiver) > >and others say it's "I've a" > > > >His song 'Stacks' is my > personal favourite - > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePatJIwB-sI > > > >Peter > Gabriel recently recorded his song 'Flume' > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdR3_fTDF4U > > > >Really like Anais Mitchell's > 'Wedding Song' with > >Justin Vernon (aka Bon Iver) - from her Grammy > >nominated > folk opera 'Hadestown' - > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JzSHReiG0c > > > >best > to all > >PaulC > > > >NP Rumer singing Jimmy Webb's 'The Moon's A > >Harsh Mistress' > - http://blip.fm/~xzphi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:09:14 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes Fleet Foxes was HANDS DOWN my album of the year in 2008, I never tired of it and enjoy it still, listened to it last week in fact. Talked about it A LOT on the JMDL because I really felt like it was a band that would resonate with this group. They openly admitted CSN and Joni as influences and how their parents played those records all the time when they were growing up. Harmonically, they're right up there with the Beach Boys and with CSN and that's high praise. The album is very addictive and they sometimes even diverge in a song and take it in another direction. I recommend it without reservation to anyone. Bob NP: Bruce, "Factory" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes I wish the new Fleet Foxes album would come on out. They'd been posting about it pretty much on Facebook (the band) in previous months, but I haven't heard anything more about it in quite awhile. I hope nothings gone wrong. I REALLY like Fleet Foxes. Em - --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes To: "Lieve Reckers" , "Joni List" Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:32 PM Love them. I posted about them last year to the list. I think Muller likes them, also. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:21:19 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes I concur with positive reviews on Bon Iver. I may be the only JMDLer on record to say that I found Fleet Foxes boring. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless - -----Original message----- From: Em To: Joni List , Gerald Notaro Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 19:16:25 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes I wish the new Fleet Foxes album would come on out. They'd been posting about it pretty much on Facebook (the band) in previous months, but I haven't heard anything more about it in quite awhile. I hope nothings gone wrong. I REALLY like Fleet Foxes. Em - --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes To: "Lieve Reckers" , "Joni List" Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:32 PM Love them. I posted about them last year to the list. I think Muller likes them, also. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:25:38 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes I agree, Em - they SHOULD have put something out this year. It's easy for your fans to move on if you take too much time. Then again, Arcade Fire came back pretty big this year after a hiatus. Bob NP: The Black Crowes, "Fork In The River" Em Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 12/06/2010 02:06 PM Please respond to Em To Joni List , Gerald Notaro cc Subject Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes I wish the new Fleet Foxes album would come on out. They'd been posting about it pretty much on Facebook (the band) in previous months, but I haven't heard anything more about it in quite awhile. I hope nothings gone wrong. I REALLY like Fleet Foxes. Em - --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes To: "Lieve Reckers" , "Joni List" Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:32 PM Love them. I posted about them last year to the list. I think Muller likes them, also. Jerry - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:01:41 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni with child No problem. I meant back then, from that first article that came out in the 80s. It was still some time before it became known after that one, lonely article. - -Mon ________________________________ From: Mags To: Monika Bogdanowicz ; "joni@smoe.org" ; Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 10:12:27 AM Subject: RE: Joni with child Monika, did you mean now or then? I think there was quite a bit of press about Joni and the reunion with her child. Sorry if I'm off the mark here by not understanding what you meant. I know that this story has meaning for all of us, as we wonder around this loving community. Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:43:07 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni with child Was the tabloid from the '80s the one that appeared in the Joni/Kilauren video on jm.com? It was a Canadian tabloid, wasn't it? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Monika Bogdanowicz Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 3:02 PM To: Mags; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni with child No problem. I meant back then, from that first article that came out in the 80s. It was still some time before it became known after that one, lonely article. - -Mon ________________________________ From: Mags To: Monika Bogdanowicz ; "joni@smoe.org" ; Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 10:12:27 AM Subject: RE: Joni with child Monika, did you mean now or then? I think there was quite a bit of press about Joni and the reunion with her child. Sorry if I'm off the mark here by not understanding what you meant. I know that this story has meaning for all of us, as we wonder around this loving community. Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:11:59 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes I'm also in the Fleet Foxes camp. I agree with everything Bob said. A lot is expected of the next album. Bob, I saw Arcade Fire last night. Such a great gig. Supported by Devendra Banhart and Vampire Weekend. Awesome. GARRET On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:25 PM, wrote: > I agree, Em - they SHOULD have put something out this year. It's easy for > your fans to move on if you take too much time. Then again, Arcade Fire > came back pretty big this year after a hiatus. > > Bob > > NP: The Black Crowes, "Fork In The River" > > > > > > Em > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > 12/06/2010 02:06 PM > Please respond to Em > > To > Joni List , Gerald Notaro > cc > > Subject > Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes > > > > > > > > I wish the new Fleet Foxes album would come on out. They'd been posting > about it pretty much on Facebook (the band) in previous months, but I > haven't heard anything more about it in quite awhile. I hope nothings gone > wrong. I REALLY like Fleet Foxes. > Em > > --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: > > From: Gerald Notaro > Subject: Re: For Emma, Forever Ago (NJC) - now with Fleet Foxes > To: "Lieve Reckers" , "Joni List" > > Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:32 PM > > Love them. I posted about them last year to the list. I think Muller likes > them, also. > > Jerry > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Bob NP: REM, "Auctioneer (Another Engine)" looking forward to their upcoming 2011 release too! - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:04:59 -0500 From: Jim Subject: "Mary" by Patti Griffin, njc On the right night, this song is electifying. Here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Rx6DcEly0 Somewhere (iTunes?) I bought a download of this song with Emmylou and Shawn Colvin singing harmonies, and Buddy Miller on electric guitar. To me, it doesn't get any better than this. Jim ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #364 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------