From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #357 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jmdl.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 30 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 357 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Amelia" transcription [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] FW: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: (NJC)Thoughts of Moving to the Great White North (warning: Unabashedly political) [Lieve Reckers Subject: FW: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs Meant to send this to the list. - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 6:56 PM To: 'Lieve Reckers' Subject: RE: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs "GoodHunter/ Samaritan" was performed as early as 1970. "Shelter from the Storm" is copyright 1974. Blonde on Blonde was released in June of 1966 and the earliest performance of "Just Like Me" that I know of is October, 1966, (Let's Sing Out show), so that's possible. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Lieve Reckers > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:57 PM > To: Bob Muller; Walt Breen; Jonilist Digest > Subject: Re: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs > > Hi Bob, > rather than "in the sound", I should have said "in the melody". That's > what I > hear, but I could not prove it or give any theoretical explanation of > it... > Lieve > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob Muller > To: Lieve Reckers ; Walt Breen > ; > Jonilist Digest > Sent: Sun, 28 November, 2010 22:10:31 > Subject: Re: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs > > mentioned it, I > can almost hear the similarity in the sound.> > > I personally don't see any links between those two, but JLM sure does > sound a > lot like This Flight Tonight, I'm thinking that's why she dropped it. > > Bob > > NP: Red House Painters, "Cruiser" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:28:28 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Amelia - Larry Carlton, Guitar Sam Stone writes > Subject: "Amelia" Transcription > > > > I just overcame my fear of post-1972 Joni and borrowed my aunt's Hejira LP. I'm totally fascinated by it. So far my favorite track is "Amelia." The moment I heard it > I thought, 'I need to learn this.' So I went to the guitar archives and played along!!! Fun time to be had... > > Anyway, upon further examination of the track, I have realized that there is another guitar part -- pedal steel guitar -- that I really like. Since I don't play pedal steel > guitar, I started thinking of how I could play this. I realized ... harmonics! > > Are there any transcriptions available of the pedal steel part arranged for guitar or will I have to make my own? And what tuning would that be in??? Sam, the album credits for AMELIA list: Rhythm Guitar - Mitchell Lead Guitar - Larry Carlton Vibes - Victor Feldman No Pedal Steel, but there are a number of ways to produce that 'effect' on an electric guitar using the volume control. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - s i m o n http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:32:29 -0700 From: Walt Breen Subject: (NJC)Thoughts of Moving to the Great White North (warning: Unabashedly political) Hi, gang, Some of you know that as early as 2000 I grumbled that if someone could ascend to the presidency without being elected, some form of fascism was underway, and I would have to leave the country . My circumstances prevented me at that time, and although eight years of having a mean, gutless, lazy mental defective in the snowy white castle was excruciating, we somehow got through his reign without the extreme right wing getting *everything* they wanted; to be sure, the rich got much richer, and the middle and working classes are doing much worse, all in their plan, but somehow hubris took over, and against the advice of the powers that be, McCain picked a running mate (Shotgun Barbie) who is a carbon copy of Dubbya: always wrong, but never uncertain. They figured with a non-white progressive on the other ticket, they could have run Betty Boop or an unborn fetus, and they'd win. They were wrong. With the current state of affairs, we are not in a lame duck session, we're in a dead duck session. The following editorial from the New York Times explains why. I just hope Obama keeps his veto pen ready  he's unlikely to be elected anyway, and to hell with wishy-washy Dems who beg him to compromise with the Tea-Baggers and the Minute-Ricers. He'll never please the neo-fascist wingnuts anyway, might as well keep them from accomplishing anything  that's their intention for him. Op-Ed Columnist There Will Be Blood By PAUL KRUGMAN Published: November 22, 2010 Former Senator Alan Simpson is a Very Serious Person. He must be  after all, President Obama appointed him as co-chairman of a special commission on deficit reduction. So heres what the very serious Mr. Simpson said on Friday: I cant wait for the blood bath in April. ... When debt limit time comes, theyre going to look around and say, What in the hell do we do now? Weve got guys who will not approve the debt limit extension unless we give em a piece of meat, real meat,  meaning spending cuts. And boy, the blood bath will be extraordinary, he continued. Think of Mr. Simpsons blood lust as one more piece of evidence that our nation is in much worse shape, much closer to a political breakdown, than most people realize. Some explanation: Theres a legal limit to federal debt, which must be raised periodically if the government keeps running deficits; the limit will be reached again this spring. And since nobody, not even the hawkiest of deficit hawks, thinks the budget can be balanced immediately, the debt limit must be raised to avoid a government shutdown. But Republicans will probably try to blackmail the president into policy concessions by, in effect, holding the government hostage; theyve done it before. Now, you might think that the prospect of this kind of standoff, which might deny many Americans essential services, wreak havoc in financial markets and undermine Americas role in the world, would worry all men of good will. But no, Mr. Simpson cant wait. And hes what passes, these days, for a reasonable Republican. The fact is that one of our two great political parties has made it clear that it has no interest in making America governable, unless its doing the governing. And that party now controls one house of Congress, which means that the country will not, in fact, be governable without that partys cooperation  cooperation that wont be forthcoming. Elite opinion has been slow to recognize this reality. Thus on the same day that Mr. Simpson rejoiced in the prospect of chaos, Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, appealed for help in confronting mass unemployment. He asked for a fiscal program that combines near-term measures to enhance growth with strong, confidence-inducing steps to reduce longer-term structural deficits. My immediate thought was, why not ask for a pony, too? After all, the G.O.P. isnt interested in helping the economy as long as a Democrat is in the White House. Indeed, far from being willing to help Mr. Bernankes efforts, Republicans are trying to bully the Fed itself into giving up completely on trying to reduce unemployment. And on matters fiscal, the G.O.P. program is to do almost exactly the opposite of what Mr. Bernanke called for. On one side, Republicans oppose just about everything that might reduce structural deficits: they demand that the Bush tax cuts be made permanent while demagoguing efforts to limit the rise in Medicare costs, which are essential to any attempts to get the budget under control. On the other, the G.O.P. opposes anything that might help sustain demand in a depressed economy  even aid to small businesses, which the party claims to love. Right now, in particular, Republicans are blocking an extension of unemployment benefits  an action that will both cause immense hardship and drain purchasing power from an already sputtering economy. But theres no point appealing to the better angels of their nature; America just doesnt work that way anymore. And opposition for the sake of opposition isnt limited to economic policy. Politics, they used to tell us, stops at the waters edge  but that was then. These days, national security experts are tearing their hair out over the decision of Senate Republicans to block a desperately needed new strategic arms treaty. And everyone knows that these Republicans oppose the treaty, not because of legitimate objections, but simply because its an Obama administration initiative; if sabotaging the president endangers the nation, so be it. How does this end? Mr. Obama is still talking about bipartisan outreach, and maybe if he caves in sufficiently he can avoid a federal shutdown this spring. But any respite would be only temporary; again, the G.O.P. is just not interested in helping a Democrat govern. My sense is that most Americans still dont understand this reality. They still imagine that when push comes to shove, our politicians will come together to do whats necessary. But that was another country. Its hard to see how this situation is resolved without a major crisis of some kind. Mr. Simpson may or may not get the blood bath he craves this April, but there will be blood sooner or later. And we can only hope that the nation that emerges from that blood bath is still one we recognize. (end of editorial) Back to me, now: Since many of you in this, the kindest list in cyberspace, are from, or at least aware of, Canada, I seek your advice and comments. I've been looking at several locations: the Vancouver/Victoria area, (great climate, but probably beyond my budget), Halifax and St John's, close to where I grew up, but even wetter, and (yes) Whitehorse, which is cold, dark and dry. The amount of snow at Witehorse is comparable to where I am now (outside Salt Lake City), but cooler in the summer -- this past summer here there were 90 days over 90F, several over 100F, and not a cloud in the sky -- almost did me in. I'm very well aware of he fact that I'm weird, but bright sulight is painful to my eyes, and combined with heat, forces me to stay indoors, which I hate. No amount of cold bothers me much - there's always more clothing; and the thought of long winter darkness is relaxing to me. So, any advice to weird Walt? I can proabably stand to stay here for awhile longer, but the degree of worship here for the Teabaggers and Minute Ricers, and for Bushwhack and Alaskan Barbie may eventually be too much for me to take. Maybe when my neuropathy and laryngitis ease up a bit, my mood will brighten up somewhat; but I'm not counting on it. Frustrated, Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:39:43 -0800 From: Russell Bowden Subject: [none] http://goo.gl/TGcaW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:44:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: (NJC)Thoughts of Moving to the Great White North (warning: Unabashedly political) Dear Walt, certainly no need as far as I am concerned to be abashed at all! I am grateful for a certain amount of political posts, from whatever angle, because I do find them informative. I say "a certain amount" because we used to have enormous gluts of them at one time, and they could be a bit too much of a good thing, but at least I felt I was being kept well informed of what was going on politically in the States, and I miss that now. I'm sorry to read of your health problems, I can imagine how they must affect your mood. I wish we could do a deal, and swap my cold and/or dark days of the year for your hot and bright days. How much better we'd both feel! I am sorry I cannot offer any advice on Canadian locations, but do let us know how you get along, and meanwhile I will keep you in my thoughts and send you the best healing wishes I can muster. Big hug, Lieve - ----- Original Message ---- From: Walt Breen To: Jonilist Digest Sent: Mon, 29 November, 2010 17:32:29 Subject: (NJC)Thoughts of Moving to the Great White North (warning: Unabashedly political) Hi, gang, Some of you know that as early as 2000 I grumbled that if someone could ascend to the presidency without being elected, some form of fascism was underway, and I would have to leave the country . My circumstances prevented me at that time, and although eight years of having a mean, gutless, lazy mental defective in the snowy white castle was excruciating, we somehow got through his reign without the extreme right wing getting *everything* they wanted; to be sure, the rich got much richer, and the middle and working classes are doing much worse, all in their plan, but somehow hubris took over, and against the advice of the powers that be, McCain picked a running mate (Shotgun Barbie) who is a carbon copy of Dubbya: always wrong, but never uncertain. They figured with a non-white progressive on the other ticket, they could have run Betty Boop or an unborn fetus, and they'd win. They were wrong. With the current state of affairs, we are not in a lame duck session, we're in a dead duck session. The following editorial from the New York Times explains why. I just hope Obama keeps his veto pen ready he's unlikely to be elected anyway, and to hell with wishy-washy Dems who beg him to compromise with the Tea-Baggers and the Minute-Ricers. He'll never please the neo-fascist wingnuts anyway, might as well keep them from accomplishing anything that's their intention for him. Op-Ed Columnist There Will Be Blood By PAUL KRUGMAN Published: November 22, 2010 Former Senator Alan Simpson is a Very Serious Person. He must be after all, President Obama appointed him as co-chairman of a special commission on deficit reduction. So heres what the very serious Mr. Simpson said on Friday: I cant wait for the blood bath in April. ... When debt limit time comes, theyre going to look around and say, What in the hell do we do now? Weve got guys who will not approve the debt limit extension unless we give em a piece of meat, real meat, meaning spending cuts. And boy, the blood bath will be extraordinary, he continued. Think of Mr. Simpsons blood lust as one more piece of evidence that our nation is in much worse shape, much closer to a political breakdown, than most people realize. Some explanation: Theres a legal limit to federal debt, which must be raised periodically if the government keeps running deficits; the limit will be reached again this spring. And since nobody, not even the hawkiest of deficit hawks, thinks the budget can be balanced immediately, the debt limit must be raised to avoid a government shutdown. But Republicans will probably try to blackmail the president into policy concessions by, in effect, holding the government hostage; theyve done it before. Now, you might think that the prospect of this kind of standoff, which might deny many Americans essential services, wreak havoc in financial markets and undermine Americas role in the world, would worry all men of good will. But no, Mr. Simpson cant wait. And hes what passes, these days, for a reasonable Republican. The fact is that one of our two great political parties has made it clear that it has no interest in making America governable, unless its doing the governing. And that party now controls one house of Congress, which means that the country will not, in fact, be governable without that partys cooperation cooperation that wont be forthcoming. Elite opinion has been slow to recognize this reality. Thus on the same day that Mr. Simpson rejoiced in the prospect of chaos, Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, appealed for help in confronting mass unemployment. He asked for a fiscal program that combines near-term measures to enhance growth with strong, confidence-inducing steps to reduce longer-term structural deficits. My immediate thought was, why not ask for a pony, too? After all, the G.O.P. isnt interested in helping the economy as long as a Democrat is in the White House. Indeed, far from being willing to help Mr. Bernankes efforts, Republicans are trying to bully the Fed itself into giving up completely on trying to reduce unemployment. And on matters fiscal, the G.O.P. program is to do almost exactly the opposite of what Mr. Bernanke called for. On one side, Republicans oppose just about everything that might reduce structural deficits: they demand that the Bush tax cuts be made permanent while demagoguing efforts to limit the rise in Medicare costs, which are essential to any attempts to get the budget under control. On the other, the G.O.P. opposes anything that might help sustain demand in a depressed economy even aid to small businesses, which the party claims to love. Right now, in particular, Republicans are blocking an extension of unemployment benefits an action that will both cause immense hardship and drain purchasing power from an already sputtering economy. But theres no point appealing to the better angels of their nature; America just doesnt work that way anymore. And opposition for the sake of opposition isnt limited to economic policy. Politics, they used to tell us, stops at the waters edge but that was then. These days, national security experts are tearing their hair out over the decision of Senate Republicans to block a desperately needed new strategic arms treaty. And everyone knows that these Republicans oppose the treaty, not because of legitimate objections, but simply because its an Obama administration initiative; if sabotaging the president endangers the nation, so be it. How does this end? Mr. Obama is still talking about bipartisan outreach, and maybe if he caves in sufficiently he can avoid a federal shutdown this spring. But any respite would be only temporary; again, the G.O.P. is just not interested in helping a Democrat govern. My sense is that most Americans still dont understand this reality. They still imagine that when push comes to shove, our politicians will come together to do whats necessary. But that was another country. Its hard to see how this situation is resolved without a major crisis of some kind. Mr. Simpson may or may not get the blood bath he craves this April, but there will be blood sooner or later. And we can only hope that the nation that emerges from that blood bath is still one we recognize. (end of editorial) Back to me, now: Since many of you in this, the kindest list in cyberspace, are from, or at least aware of, Canada, I seek your advice and comments. I've been looking at several locations: the Vancouver/Victoria area, (great climate, but probably beyond my budget), Halifax and St John's, close to where I grew up, but even wetter, and (yes) Whitehorse, which is cold, dark and dry. The amount of snow at Witehorse is comparable to where I am now (outside Salt Lake City), but cooler in the summer -- this past summer here there were 90 days over 90F, several over 100F, and not a cloud in the sky -- almost did me in. I'm very well aware of he fact that I'm weird, but bright sulight is painful to my eyes, and combined with heat, forces me to stay indoors, which I hate. No amount of cold bothers me much - there's always more clothing; and the thought of long winter darkness is relaxing to me. So, any advice to weird Walt? I can proabably stand to stay here for awhile longer, but the degree of worship here for the Teabaggers and Minute Ricers, and for Bushwhack and Alaskan Barbie may eventually be too much for me to take. Maybe when my neuropathy and laryngitis ease up a bit, my mood will brighten up somewhat; but I'm not counting on it. Frustrated, Walt "Little" Breen Well, I'm learning it's peaceful With a good dog and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown Of this century We're not gonna fix that up Too easy (Joni Mitchell, "Electricity", 1972) Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #357 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------