From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #330 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 4 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 330 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" [Lieve Reckers ] isomorphic . . . jonibob, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" [Moni Kellermann <] Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" I don't get it! I see a film with a very long and relevant scene about Joni Mitchell, I rush home full of excitement to do my JMDL duty and report on it, and nobody seems to have anything to say about it! Sorry if this sounds churlish and childish and selfish, but it's not about me. I really thought JMDLers would be interested in this. Am I really the first one who has seen this film, so that there is nobody to join in the comments? If it has been discussed before, then I must have missed it (though I do try not to miss any posts) and I would appreciate being told where to find those posts. On purpose, I did not give too many details of the plot in order not to spoil it for people who still want to see it, but I would have loved to have had some discussion - either in "coded" language or with a spoiler alert or off-list - - with anyone else who has seen it. Wondering if Facebook has eaten up this discussion list, Lieve in London - ----- Original Message ---- From: Lieve Reckers To: jonilist JMDL Sent: Tue, 2 November, 2010 20:15:09 Subject: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" (Re-sending in plain text, hoping to improve the format. Sorry for the repetition, I hope the improvement is worth it!) Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but in that case I missed it, and I just had a great Joni moment in the cinema so I feel I have to report it! My youngest son had come down for the day, and it has become a bit of a tradition then to go and see a film in the afternoon. Well the choice was limited: some action and horror films, and then "The Kids are Alright" with Julianne Moore and Annette Bening, so that's what we went to see. It wasn't exactly on my "must see" list because I expected something much more predictable, but I thought it would be interesting enough to give it a go. (In short the plot for those who don't know: the teenage children of a lesbian couple decide to trace their sperm donor "father".) My ears already pricked up when I heard that the 18-year old daughter was called Joni. Then at a very crucial scene (I won't go into detail for those who still want to go and see the film) one of the "2 mothers" looks through the "sperm donor's" record collection (yes, a good old vinyl collection as well!), and she picks out Blue and the camera zooms in on it. Then follows a conversation about how these main characters love Joni Mitchell, how the girl was named after her, how their favourite album is Blue, etc. They list several of the songs and then Annette Bening sings almost the whole of All I Want. It is a very emotional bonding moment in the film's narrative, I have never heard Joni Mitchell mentioned in such a meaningful way in any film before more (meaningful than in Love Actually). I also had a giggle when someone said: "You must be one of the very few non-gay guys who likes Joni" - or something of that ilk. My son sat grinning through the whole scene, expecting me to join in with the singing at any moment. I thought it was a very good, finely observed and superbly acted film. Lesbians may not like one particular part of the story (again I won't mention it, to avoid spoiling it for anyone) but I think that most of them will be quite happy, given the context and rationale of that aspect. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has seen this film, and to find out what they thought, and if they enjoyed the Joni surprise as much as I did. All the best, Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 07:53:52 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Lieve, You were not the first to post about the Joni Reference in the film. I did months ago when the film first opened here in the States. It got a few responses then. Unfortunately, the film got good reviews but few movie ticket buyers and did not do well here, less than eighteen million dollars total domestic gross. I sure hope it is doing better in the overseas market, but somehow I doubt it. A real shame because it is a wonderful movie. Jerry On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > I don't get it! > I see a film with a very long and relevant scene about Joni Mitchell, I > rush > home full of excitement to do my JMDL duty and report on it, and nobody > seems to > have anything to say about it! > Sorry if this sounds churlish and childish and selfish, but it's not about > me. I > really thought JMDLers would be interested in this. Am I really the first > one > who has seen this film, so that there is nobody to join in the comments? > If it > has been discussed before, then I must have missed it (though I do try not > to > miss any posts) and I would appreciate being told where to find those > posts. > > On purpose, I did not give too many details of the plot in order not to > spoil it > for people who still want to see it, but I would have loved to have had > some > discussion - either in "coded" language or with a spoiler alert or off-list > - with anyone else who has seen it. > > Wondering if Facebook has eaten up this discussion list, > Lieve in London > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lieve Reckers > To: jonilist JMDL > Sent: Tue, 2 November, 2010 20:15:09 > Subject: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" > > (Re-sending in plain text, hoping to improve the format. Sorry for the > repetition, I hope the improvement is worth it!) > > Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but in that case I missed it, > and I > > just had a great Joni moment in the cinema so I feel I have to report it! > > My youngest son had come down for the day, and it has become a bit of a > tradition then to go and see a film in the afternoon. Well the choice was > limited: some action and horror films, and then "The Kids are Alright" with > Julianne Moore and Annette Bening, so that's what we went to see. It > wasn't > exactly on my "must see" list because I expected something much more > predictable, but I thought it would be interesting enough to give it a go. > (In short the plot for those who don't know: the teenage children of a > lesbian > couple decide to trace their sperm donor "father".) > > My ears already pricked up when I heard that the 18-year old daughter was > called > > Joni. Then at a very crucial scene (I won't go into detail for those who > still > want to go and see the film) one of the "2 mothers" looks through the > "sperm > donor's" record collection (yes, a good old vinyl collection as well!), and > she > picks out Blue and the camera zooms in on it. Then follows a conversation > about > > how these main characters love Joni Mitchell, how the girl was named after > her, > how their favourite album is Blue, etc. They list several of the songs and > then > > Annette Bening sings almost the whole of All I Want. It is a very > emotional > bonding moment in the film's narrative, I have never heard Joni Mitchell > mentioned in such a meaningful way in any film before more (meaningful than > in > Love Actually). > > I also had a giggle when someone said: "You must be one of the very few > non-gay > guys who likes Joni" - or something of that ilk. My son sat grinning > through > the whole scene, expecting me to join in with the singing at any moment. > > I thought it was a very good, finely observed and superbly acted film. > Lesbians > > may not like one particular part of the story (again I won't mention it, to > avoid spoiling it for anyone) but I think that most of them will be quite > happy, > > given the context and rationale of that aspect. > I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has seen this film, and to find > out > what they thought, and if they enjoyed the Joni surprise as much as I did. > All the best, > Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 07:59:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Hi Lieve, This was discussed quite a bit on the list when it came out here in the states. I haven't seen it yet, waiting for the DVD. Don't take it personally. When I do see it, I'll blab about it and then at least you and I can have a conversation, OK? Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "No One Cares About Me" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:02:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc Thanks, Jim, for sharing this. I can't say I totally fell for this sparce sound, but still it was good to hear. I am grateful every minute for the existence of music: so much variety, and so many connections to discover and marvel at... In my case, I found it really interesting to hear Alejandro mention the sadly deceased Steve Bruton, who of course I know from my total infatuation with anything related to Crazy Heart. Steve Bruton co-wrote some of the songs of that film, and was an important inspiration for lots of the details in the script - such as the hilarious detail at the very beginning, when the Jeff Bridges character Bad Blake arrives at his next venue after a long car journey, and empties a plastic bottle full of yellow p... in the car park. So far my tasteful contribution of the day! Lieve in London - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim To: JMDL Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 1:30:05 Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc Alejandro Escovedo in a 20 minute podcast on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128238447 Jim L On 11/3/2010 9:20 PM, Jim wrote: > Years ago I had a CD from Alejandro Escovedo called "Man Under the Influence" >and I liked it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:03:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc Hi Jim, Count me as a fan. I first heard him on the True Believers record back in the 80's, unfortunately they kind of fizzled after the one record and he disappeared. He's made a great comeback of late; I have his last 2 records, 2008's "Real Animal" and this year's "Street Songs Of Love". I would go for the latter first, it's a wonderful combination of scorching rockers and solid rootsy ballads. Also features a killer duet with Springsteen called "Faith". Snag it now, thank me later. Bob NP: Robin Adler & Mutts Of The Planet, "Help Me" (what a year this has been for Joni tribs, with this one at the top of the stack) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:14:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Thanks Bob and Jerry, and no really, I did not take it personally, I thought I explained that! Just worried about the state of the list and wondering who-is-out-there-and-what-exactly-are-they-interested-in! Jerry, sorry I missed your post, I must have scanned through it very fast while travelling, and it probably did not register because I hadn't yet heard of the film. If you can redirect me to that old discussion, I will read it with great interest! Lieve PS Yes the film seems to be doing fairly well here. At least at my local cinema (admittedly not a big commercial chain but part of a rather "art house chain"), it has been playing for several weeks now, with several screenings per day, so those are good signs. My son, who like me had no great expectations of the film, was just as impressed with it as I was, we were so glad we had seen it. And he has studied film and wants to get into film making, so he knows what he's talking about! ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Lieve Reckers Cc: jonilist JMDL Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 11:59:42 Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Hi Lieve, This was discussed quite a bit on the list when it came out here in the states. I haven't seen it yet, waiting for the DVD. Don't take it personally. When I do see it, I'll blab about it and then at least you and I can have a conversation, OK? Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "No One Cares About Me"------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:52:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Lieve, I haven't seen the movie yet and want to. I've heard a lot about it though and am glad you enjoyed it. I have no idea why some things get responses here and others don't . As Bob and Jerry mentioned, the movie was discussed a little bit when the film first came out. take careMags - --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" To: "Lieve Reckers" Cc: "jonilist JMDL" Received: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:59 AM Hi Lieve, This was discussed quite a bit on the list when it came out here in the states. I haven't seen it yet, waiting for the DVD. Don't take it personally. When I do see it, I'll blab about it and then at least you and I can have a conversation, OK? Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "No One Cares About Me" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:19:18 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Isomorphic Mapping? Sounds like fun! Bob, do you use archive.org to find live covers? I just did a search of Phish and didn't come up with anything but your find of Keller Williams doing A Case of You was there. I also found Joni's performance at the Gene Autry Museum (one of my favorites) here: http://www.archive.org/details/Joni_Mitchell_at_Wells_Fargo_Theater_Los_Angeles_1995 This is a great site. I spend a lot of time there listening to Umphreys McGee!!! :-) Thanks for all your work. I'm so glad you had that burning question about Hejira. What would we be without you? Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 1:10 PM To: Robert Sartorius Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Isomorphic Mapping? Sounds like fun! Thanks for the positive vibe, Bob. Les has enabled the Joni Undercover site to include the compilation CD they are included on, but it is only visible to me. Way back when, when the database was resident on jmdl.com as opposed to jm.com, the entries did state which volume they were included on, with a disclaimer that the compilation cd's were not for sale and were for data collection only. Les was fearful that someone would see these songs being potentially redistributed without proper compensation taking place. Therefore, that data is no longer publically available. Having said all that, almost everything makes the cut. Firstly, if it's officially released, on vinyl, cassette, or CD it gets included. Period. Unreleased audio from videos, myspace pages, audience recordings CAN be included if it meets one or more of the following criteria: 1. The performance and audio quality is very high. 2. The performer in question is significant, even though the audio quality may be lacking (Marianne Faithfull's "Amelia" and Jeff Buckley's "People's Parties" immediately spring to mind. Sometimes we get lucky and hit all cylinders; Phish recently covered "Free Man In Paris" live. I'd be interested in that even if the quality was so-so, but in this case the track sounds great and they do a solid performance of the song, so you have that to look forward to. If they don't make the cut I don't include them in the database; to do so would overly dilute the important statistics that ARE there. I'm very proud of the work I've done and also proud that the resource has been used in several books about Joni and her music. To have led the charge in this endeavor (with the help of lots and lots of great folks) and contributed to Joni's artistic legacy is really something. And to think, back in 1997, all I wanted was to talk to someone who thought (like I did and do) that Hejira was an underappreciated masterpiece. Bob NP: The Black Keys, "Ten Cent Pistol" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Like Bob, I'm waiting for the DVD. I'm too cheap to pay for movie tickets and can't stand the smell of popcorn and the sticky floors. Yes, I'm a grouch. Didja notice? Sorry but it grosses me out the way people spend ridiculously inflated prices for super-size jumbo humungous snacks and drinks to stuff their faces with in the dark. My daughter did see the film at the cinema and didn't like it much (I don't remember why), but immediately told me about the Joni reference, so I have influenced her after all. That was probably after someone had mentioned it here, so I probably didn't mention it on list. I don't think Facebook is eating the jmdl. It's a completely different medium. I don't find it useful for discussions, the way the jmdl is. Maybe that's just me being old-school, but I prefer the type of discussion list that the jmdl is. Facebook is a good way to share photos and to make witty comments (so much pressure there, though!) and to play time-wasting games but I don't get much more out of it than that. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lieve Reckers > To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Cc: jonilist JMDL ; notaro@mail.usf.edu > Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 8:14:16 AM > Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" > > Thanks Bob and Jerry, > and no really, I did not take it personally, I thought I > explained that! Just > worried about the state of the list and wondering > who-is-out-there-and-what-exactly-are-they-interested-in! > Jerry, sorry I > missed your post, I must have scanned through it very fast while > travelling, > and it probably did not register because I hadn't yet heard of the > film. > If > you can redirect me to that old discussion, I will read it with great > interest! > Lieve > > PS Yes the film seems to be doing fairly well here. At least > at my local cinema > (admittedly not a big commercial chain but part of a > rather "art house chain"), > it has been playing for several weeks now, with > several screenings per day, so > those are good signs. My son, who like me had > no great expectations of the > film, was just as impressed with it as I was, we > were so glad we had seen it. > And he has studied film and wants to get into > film making, so he knows what he's > talking about! > ________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:30:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Isomorphic Mapping? Sounds like fun! I haven't used that site but lordy I HAVE used a bunch of them, including just plain ol' trolling on Google by song title. A nice way to pass time at work when I'm bored which was been way too often of late. I will check it out. Thanks also for the kind words, which I mirror back to you. As one of the earliest contributors to the discussion list and to the database you set an example of excitement which has been inspirational. If I hadn't have come along, we'd probably think that BSN had only been covered 300 times. One could debate if that's a good or a bad thing. Bob NP: Brian Wilson, "I Loves You Porgy" (speaking of great covers records...) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 07:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc Bob, those are the two albums I have (Real Animal and Street Songs of Love) and I like both of them. In fact, it was your mention of him that made me buy Real Animal to begin with. He was here in Toronto not long ago and I thought about going, but I had been to a number of concerts recently and figured I couldn't spend the money. As well, it was in one of those stand-up places so I didn't go. That's my second grouchy old-school complaint of the day. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Jim > Cc: JMDL > Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 8:03:34 AM > Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc > > Hi Jim, > > Count me as a fan. I first heard him on the True Believers record back in > the 80's, unfortunately they kind of fizzled after the one record and he > disappeared. He's made a great comeback of late; I have his last 2 > records, 2008's "Real Animal" and this year's "Street Songs Of Love". I > would go for the latter first, it's a wonderful combination of scorching > rockers and solid rootsy ballads. Also features a killer duet with > Springsteen called "Faith". > > Snag it now, thank me later. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:36:19 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Hi Lieve, I read your message and loved it but until I see the movie myself, I will reserve my opinion. I'm waiting till it's on Netflix! I haven't seen a discussion of this on Facebook. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lieve Reckers Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 7:09 AM To: jonilist JMDL Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" I don't get it! I see a film with a very long and relevant scene about Joni Mitchell, I rush home full of excitement to do my JMDL duty and report on it, and nobody seems to have anything to say about it! Sorry if this sounds churlish and childish and selfish, but it's not about me. I really thought JMDLers would be interested in this. Am I really the first one who has seen this film, so that there is nobody to join in the comments? If it has been discussed before, then I must have missed it (though I do try not to miss any posts) and I would appreciate being told where to find those posts. On purpose, I did not give too many details of the plot in order not to spoil it for people who still want to see it, but I would have loved to have had some discussion - either in "coded" language or with a spoiler alert or off-list - - with anyone else who has seen it. Wondering if Facebook has eaten up this discussion list, Lieve in London - ----- Original Message ---- From: Lieve Reckers To: jonilist JMDL Sent: Tue, 2 November, 2010 20:15:09 Subject: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" (Re-sending in plain text, hoping to improve the format. Sorry for the repetition, I hope the improvement is worth it!) Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but in that case I missed it, and I just had a great Joni moment in the cinema so I feel I have to report it! My youngest son had come down for the day, and it has become a bit of a tradition then to go and see a film in the afternoon. Well the choice was limited: some action and horror films, and then "The Kids are Alright" with Julianne Moore and Annette Bening, so that's what we went to see. It wasn't exactly on my "must see" list because I expected something much more predictable, but I thought it would be interesting enough to give it a go. (In short the plot for those who don't know: the teenage children of a lesbian couple decide to trace their sperm donor "father".) My ears already pricked up when I heard that the 18-year old daughter was called Joni. Then at a very crucial scene (I won't go into detail for those who still want to go and see the film) one of the "2 mothers" looks through the "sperm donor's" record collection (yes, a good old vinyl collection as well!), and she picks out Blue and the camera zooms in on it. Then follows a conversation about how these main characters love Joni Mitchell, how the girl was named after her, how their favourite album is Blue, etc. They list several of the songs and then Annette Bening sings almost the whole of All I Want. It is a very emotional bonding moment in the film's narrative, I have never heard Joni Mitchell mentioned in such a meaningful way in any film before more (meaningful than in Love Actually). I also had a giggle when someone said: "You must be one of the very few non-gay guys who likes Joni" - or something of that ilk. My son sat grinning through the whole scene, expecting me to join in with the singing at any moment. I thought it was a very good, finely observed and superbly acted film. Lesbians may not like one particular part of the story (again I won't mention it, to avoid spoiling it for anyone) but I think that most of them will be quite happy, given the context and rationale of that aspect. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has seen this film, and to find out what they thought, and if they enjoyed the Joni surprise as much as I did. All the best, Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:42:44 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc Not to worry. It seems like every other sentence I utter lately starts with the phrase "back in MY day...". Anyway, I don't mind the standing so much, what irks me is when I go see an act that has a couple of openers and the show starts at 9, meaning that the act I REALLY paid to see doesn't get cranking until 11 or after, and if it's on a night where I've worked, I've been up since 5:30 AM and start falling asleep standing up like a flamingo or something. Glad you're enjoying Alejandro! Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "A Voice In The Dark" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:19:30 -0600 From: "Paul Ingles" Subject: Shawn Colvin IN a follow up to Paul's posting on Shawn Colvin... Here's one of my favorite Shawn Colvin You Tube's with a great band on David Sanborn's old show after her first album had just come out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhRrhQF5OJc Also a plug for the documentary I produced for public radio on her in 2006. You can hear it by signing up for a free listener account at www.prx.org. Here's the link to the special: http://www.prx.org/pieces/13636 And to my special on Joni: http://www.prx.org/pieces/23531 that so many people on this list helped me with. Enjoy - Paul Ingles (www.paulingles.com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:16:39 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: isomorphic . . . jonibob, njc I am proud of YOU and you're hot >I'm very proud of the work I've done and also proud that the resource has been used in several books about Joni and her music. To have led the charge in this endeavor (with the help of lots and lots of great folks) and contributed to Joni's artistic legacy is really something. And to think, back in 1997, all I wanted was to talk to someone who thought (like I did and do) that Hejira was an underappreciated masterpiece. >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:11:50 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Am 04.11.2010 12:09, Wie Lieve Reckers so vortrefflich formulierte: >(though I do try not to miss any posts) and I would appreciate being told where > to find those posts. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&prmdo=1&q=%22The+Kids+Are+All+Right%22+site%3Asmoe.org&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Note: Those are the results from the digests. The movie was discussed first in January and then in July 2010. moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc Hey-ell ya! I went to a show with my son a few months ago. The tickets said 8, but what that really meant was that the doors opened at 8. (There is a big discrepany in how tickets are printed: some will specify that the doors open at a particular time and others will simply list a time, without saying whether it's the time the show starts or the time the doors open. If it's in a club, they usually don't have anyone answering the phone so you can't check and they don't bother to say anything on their voicemail.) We were there a bit before 8 and they didn't actually open the doors until 8:30. Then there were TWO opening acts, one at 9 and one at 10, so the show we wanted to see didn't start until 11. We got there early enough that we were able to snag a couple of seats, since there were some with tables around the edges. But the seats were high wooden benches along the wall, and my @$$ (mindful of your company's anti-nasty-language policy) went numb after the first hour or so, plus my feet didn't reach the floor so the circulation was getting cut off in my legs and I had to keep standing up or shifting to get comfortable. And any time you looked like you were moving, someone would try to grab your seat (the bench, not the @$$.) And there are always people that go to these things that TALK throughout, so we could overhear some inane conversation between a very LOUD girl and her boyfriend. I always wonder, why do people pay for tickets to see bands only to spend the whole time talking? They could go to a regular pub or Starbucks and it would cost much less. Grouchy comment number three! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: Jim ; JMDL > Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 10:42:44 AM > Subject: Re: In praise of Alejandro Escovedo, njc > >I don't mind the standing so > much, what irks me is when I go see an act that has a couple of openers > and the show starts at 9, meaning that the act I REALLY paid to see > doesn't get cranking until 11 or after, and if it's on a night where I've > worked, I've been up since 5:30 AM and start falling asleep standing up > like a flamingo or something. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:44:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Moni the computer wizzard has done it again! Thank you so much, Cellar Woman! To save others some time, I have pasted below some of the comments made in the past. They all say the same thing: that scene was SPECIAL, man! :-) Lieve - ---- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:12:58 -0700 - From: Richard Goldman richard2sf@comcast.net Subject: Re: The Kids Are All Right Me to, saw it yesterday. Loved it. So timely, and resonant for me, this great film. The Joni connection quite blew me away, and the honest emotionality, it took me hours to recover. ~Richard - --- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:30:27 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro notaro@mail.usf.edu Subject: The Kids Are All Right Saw it today. My favorite movie of the year. And the Joni connection is not at all incidental, but a very important part of the movie, one you will all appreciate. Go see it. Jerry - --- Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:04:31 -0700 > From: Norm Gregory normgregory@normgregory.com> Subject: "Blue" in "The Kids Are All RIght" > > In the new movie, "The Kids Are All Right" there is the best incorporation > of music into a movie scene that I can recall. It is based on Joni > Mitchell's "Blue." We don't hear Joni. All we see is the "Blue" album > cover; all we hear is Mark Ruffalo's and Annette Bening's characters singing > / harmonizing a cappella at the dinner table. It's a scene I won't forget > for a while. The rest of the movie is very good too. > - ----- Original Message ---- From: Moni Kellermann To: Lieve Reckers Cc: jonilist JMDL Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 15:11:50 Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" Am 04.11.2010 12:09, Wie Lieve Reckers so vortrefflich formulierte: >(though I do try not to miss any posts) and I would appreciate being told where > to find those posts. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&prmdo=1&q=%22The+Kids+Are+All+Right%22+site%3Asmoe.org&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Note: Those are the results from the digests. The movie was discussed first in January and then in July 2010. moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: RE: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" njc like Catherine, I'm waiting for the DVD as well. I won't go to a cinema for all the reasons (and more) that Catherine has mentioned. Ugh to all the noise/gunk/junk food and TALKING throughout a film. Most annoying!! I am throwing an NJC on my reply just because it feels like things are veering that way. thanks, Lieve, for the reminder of the film. It was here for a short time, and really, I was tempted but didn't go. I look forward to the DVD version, as I said. Does anyone know if it is out or when that will happen? I have a new search engine and now, with my emails, every time I make a typo or a shortened version of any word, it underlines in red....sheesh! And Bob, I just wanted to chime in and say how much I appreciate your work on the covers for all these years. Wonderful to see your name in book references. Admittedly, I don't always d/l your offerings, however, that doesnt mean I don't go searching for some of them on youtube etc. anyway, my two or three cents worth and there you have it. Mags, looking for a new book to read. (Having finished Through Black Spruce, it's a tough act to follow). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:47:51 -0400 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" njc "The Kids Are All Right" is scheduled for DVD release on Tuesday, November 9th. I haven't seen the movie yet either, but am looking forward to purchasing it on DVD. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8125744&style=movie Best regards, Gary Z. Mags wrote: > like Catherine, I'm waiting for the DVD as well. I won't go to a cinema for > all the reasons (and more) that Catherine has mentioned. Ugh to all the > noise/gunk/junk food and TALKING throughout a film. Most annoying!! > I am throwing an NJC on my reply just because it feels like things are veering > that way. thanks, Lieve, for the reminder of the film. It was here for a short > time, and really, I was tempted but didn't go. I look forward to the DVD > version, as I said. Does anyone know if it is out or when that will happen? > I have a new search engine and now, with my emails, every time I make a typo > or a shortened version of any word, it underlines in red....sheesh! > And Bob, I just wanted to chime in and say how much I appreciate your work on > the covers for all these years. Wonderful to see your name in book references. > Admittedly, I don't always d/l your offerings, however, that doesnt mean I > don't go searching for some of them on youtube etc. > anyway, my two or three cents worth and there you have it. > Mags, looking for a new book to read. (Having finished Through Black Spruce, > it's a tough act to follow). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:04:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Why club shows suck most of the time Ditto to all of that, Catherine. And I'm not going to even get into the whole CELL PHONE discussion again...the whole time texting people, making crappy videos or taking crappy photos to post on YouTube/Facebook/whatever. They leave and don't even know if they enjoyed the show because they didn't experience it. And while we're ticking off reasons why crowded club shows suck most of the time, why does the frizzy-haired girl always stand DIRECTLY in front of me and INSIST on trying to dance even though she only has 1 square foot of space? Ptoo, ptoo, trying to get her hair out of my face and keep her from landing on my toes... hang on a second (opening front door) "Hey you kids, get offa my lawn! Grumpy Old Bob NP: Herbie Hancock, "Tempo de Amor" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:25:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" njc Yippee! I am looking forward to a lot more discussion soon, then! Lieve - ----- Original Message ---- From: Gary Z. To: Mags Cc: Lieve Reckers ; jonilist JMDL ; Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 16:47:51 Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" njc "The Kids Are All Right" is scheduled for DVD release on Tuesday, November 9th. I haven't seen the movie yet either, but am looking forward to purchasing it on DVD. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8125744&style=movie Best regards, Gary Z. Mags wrote: > like Catherine, I'm waiting for the DVD as well. I won't go to a cinema for > all the reasons (and more) that Catherine has mentioned. Ugh to all the > noise/gunk/junk food and TALKING throughout a film. Most annoying!! > I am throwing an NJC on my reply just because it feels like things are veering > that way. thanks, Lieve, for the reminder of the film. It was here for a short > time, and really, I was tempted but didn't go. I look forward to the DVD > version, as I said. Does anyone know if it is out or when that will happen? > I have a new search engine and now, with my emails, every time I make a typo > or a shortened version of any word, it underlines in red....sheesh! > And Bob, I just wanted to chime in and say how much I appreciate your work on > the covers for all these years. Wonderful to see your name in book references. > Admittedly, I don't always d/l your offerings, however, that doesnt mean I > don't go searching for some of them on youtube etc. > anyway, my two or three cents worth and there you have it. > Mags, looking for a new book to read. (Having finished Through Black Spruce, > it's a tough act to follow). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:10:38 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" njc Well let me start off by discussing Mark Ruffalo! Woof! Just perfect in this movie. I saw him on Broadway in Awake and Sing and he is just an extraordinary actor. He is going to tackle the AIDS drama The Normal Heart next. Jerry On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Yippee! I am looking forward to a lot more discussion soon, then! > Lieve > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gary Z. > To: Mags > Cc: Lieve Reckers ; jonilist JMDL >; > Susan Tierney McNamara > Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 16:47:51 > Subject: Re: Huge Joni reference in film "The Kids are Alright" njc > > "The Kids Are All Right" is scheduled for DVD release on Tuesday, > November 9th. I haven't seen the movie yet either, but am looking > forward to purchasing it on DVD. > > http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8125744&style=movie > > Best regards, > > Gary Z. > > Mags wrote: > > like Catherine, I'm waiting for the DVD as well. I won't go to a cinema > for > > all the reasons (and more) that Catherine has mentioned. Ugh to all the > > noise/gunk/junk food and TALKING throughout a film. Most annoying!! > > I am throwing an NJC on my reply just because it feels like things are > veering > > that way. thanks, Lieve, for the reminder of the film. It was here for a > short > > time, and really, I was tempted but didn't go. I look forward to the DVD > > version, as I said. Does anyone know if it is out or when that will > happen? > > I have a new search engine and now, with my emails, every time I make a > typo > > or a shortened version of any word, it underlines in red....sheesh! > > And Bob, I just wanted to chime in and say how much I appreciate your > work on > > the covers for all these years. Wonderful to see your name in book > references. > > Admittedly, I don't always d/l your offerings, however, that doesnt mean > I > > don't go searching for some of them on youtube etc. > > anyway, my two or three cents worth and there you have it. > > Mags, looking for a new book to read. (Having finished Through Black > Spruce, > > it's a tough act to follow). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Why club shows suck most of the time Holy lord t'underin' Jeezus. Don't get me started on that! I've decided to give up on the taking-pictures-at-concerts thing for the reasons you mention. If you're too busy taking pictures, you're not enjoying the show. I do NOT block people's view, by the way, if I do take pictures, and I don't use a flash and the digital camera I have is actually pretty good for dealing with low light but there are so many professional photographs out there and there's no point even bothering. As for the eejits on cellphones, I was sitting next to somebody in a movie theatre who was texting someone at the start of a movie and the people in front of him starting arguing with him about it because I guess the light from the screen was bothering them (and they DO have that turn-off-your-phone ad at the beginning) and I was expecting punches to be thrown. I ended up leaving and got my money back because I didn't want to have to deal with that sh*it. As well, how many times have you almost been hit by some idiot in a car texting or talking on the phone while they turn the corner at a very busy intersection (and where are the cops, because it's against the law to do that here?) Not to mention the people who, the second they get on an elevator, have to check their blackberry or i-phone and the ones texting as they walk down the street not looking where they're going and just about knocking you over. I've decided I am NOT going to get out of their way and wait to see how close they get to me before they wake up. And I hear you about the frizzy hair. Another thing that always happens to me is that someone much TALLER than me decides to stand in front of me. Did I ever mention the Wilco concert I went to a little while ago? this was at Massey Hall and you have a seat but did anyone know that apparently at Wilco concerts, you stand up as soon as they walk on stage and stay standing throughout? And guess what? I was surrounded by taller people, mostly guys, none of whom seems to believe in taking a shower or using deodorant. Thought i was gonna die! I ended up leaving after an hour for that reason - no refund. I also realize I'm getting more vocal in my old age about venting my grouchy spleen and it embarasses the heck out of my kids, especially Matt. I remember my mother being that way, especially as she got older but back then, you weren't likely to get shot for making a grumpy remark. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: Jim ; JMDL > Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 1:04:20 PM > Subject: NJC Why club shows suck most of the time > > Ditto to all of that, Catherine. And I'm not going to even get into the > whole CELL PHONE discussion again...the whole time texting people, making > crappy videos or taking crappy photos to post on > YouTube/Facebook/whatever. They leave and don't even know if they enjoyed > the show because they didn't experience it. > > And while we're ticking off reasons why crowded club shows suck most of > the time, why does the frizzy-haired girl always stand DIRECTLY in front > of me and INSIST on trying to dance even though she only has 1 square foot > of space? Ptoo, ptoo, trying to get her hair out of my face and keep her > from landing on my toes... > > hang on a second (opening front door) "Hey you kids, get offa my lawn! > > Grumpy Old Bob > > NP: Herbie Hancock, "Tempo de Amor" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #330 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------