From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #313 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 20 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 313 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Jane Siberry (paying it forward) (njc) [Paul Castle ] Re: BSN in another language njc [Lieve Reckers ] [none] [Russell Bowden ] Re: [Lieve Reckers ] Dreamland Reissue [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Jane Siberry (paying it forward) (njc) [Gerald Notaro ] Re: BSN in another language njc [Mags ] RE: Dreamland Reissue njc [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Jane Siberry (paying it forward) (njc) [Mags ] Re: DJRD Astrology and Scorpio Totems ["gene" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:08:44 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Jane Siberry (paying it forward) (njc) I recently heard Jane - interviewed by Jann Arden on CBC's 'Q' during her World Salon (ie House Concerts) tour back in May - saying that she doesn't like playing theatres and clubs anymore and she has even started giving the money back. When asked why, she said the dressing rooms are always filthy and smelly and it's all about the money, not about making the best show for the audience. One time, when she gave the money back and they asked her what they should do with it, she suggested they buy an ironing board. Cool 'pay it forward' eh? best to all PaulC NP Calling All Angels - from the 'Pay It Forward' soundtrack - one of my Desert Island films - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjkJDu0B-1U ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:36:42 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: BSN in another language njc Thanks Mags. Your point is totally valid and I would not take it the wrong way for one second. In fact, I can easily identify with what you say. Sometimes I think I have a hearing impairment too, although repeated tests have shown it not to be so. But I often have to ask people to repeat and articulate, because I just don't get it. It has nothing to do with the language itself, I am fine with accents and colloquialisms, it happens to me in Belgium as well as in England or the US. Sometimes, I just give up because it is too embarrassing and I try to give a brief reaction to what I GUESS the person has said. I'm sure you know what problems that can lead too! :-) But let me stick my head into the sign language hornets nest one more time. I should say upfront, I am a total language nut, I read books about linguistics for fun, and the one job I have enjoyed most of all in my life is that of translator. So my interest in sign language is first of all just academic. I would really like to understand how nuanced this language can be. I don't have the time to go and study sign language for myself, so I need to rely on the reports of those who know it, which is why I asked my initial question. I cannot begin to imagine how sign language can translate fine nuances. For instance: if someone deaf, who did not already know the lyrics, were in the audience where this clip of BSN was recorded, and he or she were asked to write down what they had seen, what sort of text would come out? I am not expecting the lyrics of BSN to miraculously reappear, of course. But would it even be recognisable? This intrigues me no end, and I would still like to find out more about it. (I know, of course, that it would depend on the verbal skills of the deaf person writing down what he or she has seen. So there would not be one definitive result. But I hope you understand my intention.) Just to avoid any misunderstanding I would like to add that I have a lot of respect for sign language whatever the result of that "text test" would be. Even if the lyrics could not be reproduced, even if poetry were outside its grasp, I would think it is a wonderful language, for the communication it doubtlessly does manage to achieve. I don't feel that hearing impaired people need to be so defensive to claim their language can do "everything or even more" that a verbal language can do, to gain my respect. In fact, it is at that point that I begin to question whether their claims are not a bit too shrill and at risk of achieving the opposite... Lieve ________________________________ From: Mags To: lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org; FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 3:17:59 Subject: Re: BSN in another language njc I thought the person signing did a fantastic job as well. I felt the emotion from her expressions in her face , body, gestures. I dont know what to say about the persons who are strongly hoping for a deaf child. I dont kknow what it is like to be completely without hearing, however, I do know what it is like to be hearing impaired enough to require two hearing aids, (which I dont have for personal reasons) and to struggle daily vis a vis I miss out on a great many segments of conversation. Im sure you know this and I just want to say that in living in the confines of a hearing world, being hearing impaired is no picnic. Mainly because there is a tendancy for people to get really pissed off and quickly because you have to ask them to repeat themselves (several times), to slow down their speech, tonot speak LOUDER but to articulate more clearly, and it helps to show you their face and to not bloody well be disrespectful because being hearing impaired can be a daily exercise in frustration and pain. Of course I never say the last bit. . Lieve, in no way and I suggesting that you are being disrespectful. I know you to be kind and considerate of others. Im just throwing my experiences out there. Not sure why. Just a need to talk about it I suppose. love, Mags - --- On Mon, 10/18/10, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >From: FMYFL@aol.com >Subject: Re: BSN in another language >To: lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk, scjoniguy@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Received: Monday, October 18, 2010, 6:15 PM > > >Hey sweet Lieve, > >I know you could never be critical, but maybe curious. From taking courses >in sign language and knowing hearing impaired people, the woman who was >signing in the the BSN video did convey the song very well. Sign language is >just as much as a language as any other . The hearing impaired world has just >as much right to insist their language is justified that their language is >as expressive if not more, than any other language. > >Jimmy > >In a message dated 10/18/2010 11:47:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk writes: > >> I wonder - and this may seem a bit critical, but I am just trying to be >> honest: >> how much of the meaning, let alone the subtlety, of these lyrics is really >> >> conveyed through sign language? I can imagine that the general drift gets >> >> across, but I doubt it is much more than than. Please if somebody can >> tell me >> that sign language is able to do more, then let me know and I would be >> delighted. >> But I have been disturbed recently by the activism of certain deaf people, >> who >> insist that their language is just as capable of expression as verbal >> language. >> They are very militant about it, there was even a deaf couple who wanted >> to have >> a child through in-vitro fertilisation to make sure it was also deaf, >> because >> they wanted it to carry on their "culture". I think this is just going >> too >> far. Yes, be proud of what you achieve in spite of your disability, but >> don't >> sell me BS about how wonderful it is to be deaf... >> >> Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:06:36 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: BSN in another language njc Ouch ouch, so embarrassing, Language nut has now corrected typo. I do know the difference between "to" and "too", dammit! L in L - ----- Original Message ---- From: Lieve Reckers To: Mags ; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org; FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 10:36:42 Subject: Re: BSN in another language njc Thanks Mags. Your point is totally valid and I would not take it the wrong way for one second. In fact, I can easily identify with what you say. Sometimes I think I have a hearing impairment too, although repeated tests have shown it not to be so. But I often have to ask people to repeat and articulate, because I just don't get it. It has nothing to do with the language itself, I am fine with accents and colloquialisms, it happens to me in Belgium as well as in England or the US. Sometimes, I just give up because it is too embarrassing and I try to give a brief reaction to what I GUESS the person has said. I'm sure you know what problems that can lead to! :-) But let me stick my head into the sign language hornets nest one more time. I should say upfront, I am a total language nut, I read books about linguistics for fun, and the one job I have enjoyed most of all in my life is that of translator. So my interest in sign language is first of all just academic. I would really like to understand how nuanced this language can be. I don't have the time to go and study sign language for myself, so I need to rely on the reports of those who know it, which is why I asked my initial question. I cannot begin to imagine how sign language can translate fine nuances. For instance: if someone deaf, who did not already know the lyrics, were in the audience where this clip of BSN was recorded, and he or she were asked to write down what they had seen, what sort of text would come out? I am not expecting the lyrics of BSN to miraculously reappear, of course. But would it even be recognisable? This intrigues me no end, and I would still like to find out more about it. (I know, of course, that it would depend on the verbal skills of the deaf person writing down what he or she has seen. So there would not be one definitive result. But I hope you understand my intention.) Just to avoid any misunderstanding I would like to add that I have a lot of respect for sign language whatever the result of that "text test" would be. Even if the lyrics could not be reproduced, even if poetry were outside its grasp, I would think it is a wonderful language, for the communication it doubtlessly does manage to achieve. I don't feel that hearing impaired people need to be so defensive to claim their language can do "everything or even more" that a verbal language can do, to gain my respect. In fact, it is at that point that I begin to question whether their claims are not a bit too shrill and at risk of achieving the opposite... Lieve ________________________________ From: Mags To: lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org; FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 3:17:59 Subject: Re: BSN in another language njc I thought the person signing did a fantastic job as well. I felt the emotion from her expressions in her face , body, gestures. I dont know what to say about the persons who are strongly hoping for a deaf child. I dont kknow what it is like to be completely without hearing, however, I do know what it is like to be hearing impaired enough to require two hearing aids, (which I dont have for personal reasons) and to struggle daily vis a vis I miss out on a great many segments of conversation. Im sure you know this and I just want to say that in living in the confines of a hearing world, being hearing impaired is no picnic. Mainly because there is a tendancy for people to get really pissed off and quickly because you have to ask them to repeat themselves (several times), to slow down their speech, tonot speak LOUDER but to articulate more clearly, and it helps to show you their face and to not bloody well be disrespectful because being hearing impaired can be a daily exercise in frustration and pain. Of course I never say the last bit. . Lieve, in no way and I suggesting that you are being disrespectful. I know you to be kind and considerate of others. Im just throwing my experiences out there. Not sure why. Just a need to talk about it I suppose. love, Mags - --- On Mon, 10/18/10, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >From: FMYFL@aol.com >Subject: Re: BSN in another language >To: lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk, scjoniguy@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Received: Monday, October 18, 2010, 6:15 PM > > >Hey sweet Lieve, > >I know you could never be critical, but maybe curious. From taking courses >in sign language and knowing hearing impaired people, the woman who was >signing in the the BSN video did convey the song very well. Sign language is >just as much as a language as any other . The hearing impaired world has just >as much right to insist their language is justified that their language is >as expressive if not more, than any other language. > >Jimmy > >In a message dated 10/18/2010 11:47:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk writes: > >> I wonder - and this may seem a bit critical, but I am just trying to be >> honest: >> how much of the meaning, let alone the subtlety, of these lyrics is really >> >> conveyed through sign language? I can imagine that the general drift gets >> >> across, but I doubt it is much more than than. Please if somebody can >> tell me >> that sign language is able to do more, then let me know and I would be >> delighted. >> But I have been disturbed recently by the activism of certain deaf people, >> who >> insist that their language is just as capable of expression as verbal >> language. >> They are very militant about it, there was even a deaf couple who wanted >> to have >> a child through in-vitro fertilisation to make sure it was also deaf, >> because >> they wanted it to carry on their "culture". I think this is just going >> too >> far. Yes, be proud of what you achieve in spite of your disability, but >> don't >> sell me BS about how wonderful it is to be deaf... >> >> Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:13:56 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: [none] http://pajuhudi.t35.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:29:23 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Russell, I had better let you know: your yahoo email account has been highjacked by this spam sender. I have seen it happen to quite a few of my friends recently. Not sure what we can do to avoid this because we could all be next, so all advice would be welcome! Lieve - ----- Original Message ---- From: Russell Bowden To: jenny.smick@gmail.com; jfberche@yahoo.com; jimmyjam01@aol.com; jimnoe3@sbcglobal.net; johnfcamajani@comcast.net; johnwilsonsf@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org; kennedy@imjustaguy.com; king@humnet.ucla.edu; k-j-i@msn.com Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 11:13:56 Subject: http://pajuhudi.t35.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:07:15 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Dreamland Reissue CD Japan is reissuing Dreamland in a new Japanese pressing. That is always good news because it means there is a demand, even though the reissue is limited. I used Google to translate the description. I think you will alll get a kick out of the translation: Priced-down reissue. [WARNER SUPER BEST40 2nd] 2nd Wanamyujikku Japan 40th Anniversary Campaign! The best singer-songwriter best compliment is always filled with respect to the best album of Joni Mitchell's first career. The selection of music carefully repeated deliberations themselves Joni lyrics and unique music, board must listen warm to the extraordinary can say crystal art! In best album also say the culmination of her career, "Light and Shadow of Youth" " Circle Game, "beginning with a number of hit songs collected safely be called classic rock now, one must for music fans but also fans! original master (Release at best), the original artwork (cover, booklet, etc.) come with bilingual commentary lyrics Jerry P.S. Bill Clinton is coming to my campus to speak today. The security here is incredible. NP on WMNF - Raul Malo - Superstar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:17:24 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Jane Siberry (paying it forward) (njc) Big Jann Arden fan here. I downloaded the Jane Siberry and played them all but OD'd on her quickly. Though I did like that long track she recorded about a day in her life. Really got to know her with that. If anything, she is sincere and doesn't blow just the way the wind goes. Jerry On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > I recently heard Jane - interviewed by Jann Arden on > CBC's 'Q' during her World Salon (ie House Concerts) > tour back in May - saying that she doesn't like playing > theatres and clubs anymore and she has even started > giving the money back. When asked why, she said the > dressing rooms are always filthy and smelly and it's > all about the money, not about making the best show > for the audience. One time, when she gave the money > back and they asked her what they should do with it, > she suggested they buy an ironing board. > > Cool 'pay it forward' eh? > > best to all > PaulC > > NP Calling All Angels - from the 'Pay It Forward' > soundtrack - one of my Desert Island films - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjkJDu0B-1U ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:47:46 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: DJRD Astrology and Scorpio Totems Nice Jim. Good explanation. I also love duality themes. I have a fascination with the I Ching which most would suspect is because of Joni, but I actually started studying it way before I found out Joni was into it too. Life is a balancing act between the two opposites and it takes a lot of living in paradox to really see the benefits. I think that's why she says "We are all hopelessly oppressed cowards, Of some duality, Of restless multiplicity ..." Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:52 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: DJRD Astrology and Scorpio Totems I enjoyed reading your post about "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter". I'm going to expand on something you said. Here's a tip for the younger fans: a long time ago, an Indian chief was on the US nickel. Canada also has a 5 cent piece called a nickel. Mark, formerly known as Mark in Seattle, said in part >But nothing is totally one side or the other. Even the 'Chief' is a 'nickel Chief', referencing money and not worth much of that> Like so many things on DJRD, Hissing, and Hejira, she crams several things into just a few words. On the surface, she's just saying, "centered on Mother Earth, like the Indian chief who's face we see everyday." Then, as you said, she's has the joke about the nickel not being worth much in the world of capitalism. And finally, I think the nickel chief is another instance of one thing that is really two things (the duality theme). He has his noble, native American side, which is close to nature, and respecting the Mother Earth. He also has an urban side, his capitalist side, because his image has been co-opted for the money. His face is on the coin and the coin is going into a machine. It's a juke box, but it's still a machine and that's a contradiction or paradox. He's not a native American in the wild; he's an Indian on a nickel. He's both things at once, which is why he's in that song. He's the eagle and the serpent. There's a lot to think about in these albums. Sometimes, Joni's lyrics remind me of the Russian eggs we saw in school. Each one contains another, smaller egg, going on and on, smaller and smaller. The chief is noble but he's a nickel which is materialistic but he's producing music which bring us back to noblity, but it's pop music which brings us back to materialism. Is a nickel heads or tails? Wrong: it's both. And, of course, Joni lives in the city but she also lives in a cabin, without electricity. We think we know a lot about Joni, but then we find out that, to her friends, she's "Joan". Then we read the biography and find out that she's also "Roberta". Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 06:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Subject: Re: BSN in another language http://www.yhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLwUanEJd0 Very nice. Interesting that Clay pretty much re-created the 2000 BSN version, including the phrasing. Now that the starmaker machinery has chewed him up and spit him out, Clay can do whatever he wants, without commercial pressures, if he chooses to. Have always enjoyed his voice, if not the material. Same for Elliott Yamin,now that boy can sing. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: BSN in another language njc hi Lieve, I hear what you are saying (no pun intended). Perhaps this is why I'm drawn to the centre of the written word, where I know I can, at the very least, grasp full sentences ;) My hearing has been tested up the yingyang and it's a neurological issue (an auditory processing issues) as well as physiological hearing loss. One doctor told me that I was "too young" to have hearing loss...what??? And she's a great doctor, I didnt understand what she meant..hmmm perhaps there was something amiss in the way I heard her (or not). Here (or hear) the hearing aid situation is as such...they cost about 2 grand each and our medical system does not pay for them, there is a program but you have to be under the age of 18 (hell, I cant even remember being 18!!). Anyway, that's why I dont have them, and work my way through my life with things as they are. Lots of frustration, and like you, I tend to just try and figure out what is said, and hope I get the context. Sometimes, Ive been known to do the 'deer in headlights' stare, and just feel embarrassed, too embarrassed to ssay anything. I do not understand the level of impatience shown...but what can you do. You raise some very good points, as well, about whether or not sign language can grasp all the little nuances of meaning in text. I have no experience with sign language (sure wish I could learn that). I make my own up sometimes and that's about as far as it goes. As for you knowing the difference between to and too, well, this reader didnt even notice you had written to/too.. In a world where there are many who struggle with meaning/words in the complicated english language, a misuse of wordage doesnt phase me whatsoever. The meaning is there, and that's all that matters, to me. Life is complicated enough without getting all riled up about such things. Jimmy, perhaps you could help us understand more about sign language ... (or anyone else on the list who is familiar with it). as for the persons who are adamant about the culture of deafness...I can understand that. It's like a personal protest, a way of going way to far to make a point. About feeling frustrated living in this stone cold deaf world of ours, deaf to the needs of those who are unable to hear. love, Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:15:34 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Dreamland Reissue njc Jerry, Bill Clinton came to Cornell in 2004 and he was AWESOME!! He got all star Trek on us, talking about science and looking for extraterrestrial life ( I think it was a nod to Sagan, a Cornell professor). He also flirted with our Senior Class president on stage! :-) Have fun! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Notaro Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:07 AM To: Joni List Subject: Dreamland Reissue CD Japan is reissuing Dreamland in a new Japanese pressing. That is always good news because it means there is a demand, even though the reissue is limited. I used Google to translate the description. I think you will alll get a kick out of the translation: Priced-down reissue. [WARNER SUPER BEST40 2nd] 2nd Wanamyujikku Japan 40th Anniversary Campaign! The best singer-songwriter best compliment is always filled with respect to the best album of Joni Mitchell's first career. The selection of music carefully repeated deliberations themselves Joni lyrics and unique music, board must listen warm to the extraordinary can say crystal art! In best album also say the culmination of her career, "Light and Shadow of Youth" " Circle Game, "beginning with a number of hit songs collected safely be called classic rock now, one must for music fans but also fans! original master (Release at best), the original artwork (cover, booklet, etc.) come with bilingual commentary lyrics Jerry P.S. Bill Clinton is coming to my campus to speak today. The security here is incredible. NP on WMNF - Raul Malo - Superstar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Jane Siberry (paying it forward) (njc) Big Jan Arden fan here too, wonderful musician and she's a very funny woman. Admittedly, I only own Good Mother, which is a drop dead gorgeous song. Makes me cry every time ;) Jane is very generous woman of heart and mind. Im glad to see she has kindred spirit friends here as well. I love Calling All Angels. A dear friend of mine choreographed a most moving dance to that song at the music camp where my family used to go for many many summers on the shores of Lake Couchiching near Orillia, Ontario. Nary a dry eye in the house, I shall never forget it. Mags. - --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: Big Jann Arden fan here. I downloaded the Jane Siberry and played them all but OD'd on her quickly. Though I did like that long track she recorded about a day in her life. Really got to know her with that. If anything, she is sincere and doesn't blow just the way the wind goes. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:51:05 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: BSN in another language njc > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLwUanEJd0 Thanks for posting, Bob. I too found the signing very moving and beautiful to watch. Lieve wrote: > For instance: if someone deaf, who did not already know the lyrics, > were in the audience where this clip of BSN was recorded, and he > or she were asked to write down what they had seen, what sort of > text would come out? I must admit I did smile when I thought I spotted a couple of V signs in there, which as anyone from the UK knows, is probably a little strong for "Leave 'em laughing when you go" :) best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:01:51 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: DJRD Astrology and Scorpio Totems If this was Facebook---I would hit the "like" link. Always enjoy your insights Jim. peace~ gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" To: Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Re: DJRD Astrology and Scorpio Totems > I enjoyed reading your post about "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter". I'm > going to expand on something you said. Here's a tip for the younger > fans: a long time ago, an Indian chief was on the US nickel. Canada also > has a 5 cent piece called a nickel. > > Mark, formerly known as Mark in Seattle, said in part > >>But nothing is totally one side or the other. Even the 'Chief' is a > 'nickel Chief', referencing money and not worth much of that> > > Like so many things on DJRD, Hissing, and Hejira, she crams several > things into just a few words. On the surface, she's just saying, > "centered on Mother Earth, like the Indian chief who's face we see > everyday." Then, as you said, she's has the joke about the nickel not > being worth much in the world of capitalism. > > And finally, I think the nickel chief is another instance of one thing > that is really two things (the duality theme). He has his noble, native > American side, which is close to nature, and respecting the Mother > Earth. He also has an urban side, his capitalist side, because his image > has been co-opted for the money. His face is on the coin and the coin is > going into a machine. It's a juke box, but it's still a machine and > that's a contradiction or paradox. > > He's not a native American in the wild; he's an Indian on a nickel. > > He's both things at once, which is why he's in that song. He's the eagle > and the serpent. There's a lot to think about in these albums. > > Sometimes, Joni's lyrics remind me of the Russian eggs we saw in school. > Each one contains another, smaller egg, going on and on, smaller and > smaller. The chief is noble but he's a nickel which is materialistic but > he's producing music which bring us back to noblity, but it's pop music > which brings us back to materialism. > > Is a nickel heads or tails? Wrong: it's both. > > And, of course, Joni lives in the city but she also lives in a cabin, > without electricity. > > We think we know a lot about Joni, but then we find out that, to her > friends, she's "Joan". Then we read the biography and find out that > she's also "Roberta". > > Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #313 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------