From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #299 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 7 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 299 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Cathe] Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) [P] Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Gerald] Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Bob.M] Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Cather] Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Bob.] Re: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Back from Europe NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Back from Europe NJC [Anita G ] Re: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) [Lieve Reckers ] RE: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Susa] RE: Back from Europe [Susan Tierney McNamara ] my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc [Robert Proc] Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc [Gerald No] Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Cathe] Re: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc [Cath] Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc [Catherine Mc] Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc [Robert ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 04:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Fortunately, I didn't read this before I went to bed. I think that, when I was a kid, I found Wayne Newton fascinating in this mesmerized-by-a-cobra kind of way. I feel kind of bad for saying this, but that has never stopped me before. Did you read some of the comments under the songs we hate? They do mean a lot to some people. I suppose it all depends on what was going on in your life at the time the song came out. A couple of people posted under the Wayne Newton one that their Dads abandoned them when they were kids, so it's probably therapeutic in some way. And yet, I feel like such an alien at times because I still don't get it! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: T Peckham > To: Gerald Notaro > Cc: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; >JMDL > Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 11:02:49 PM > Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc > > Oh damn, I didn't mean to post "Honey" twice. This other Bobby G. hit is > just as awful: > http://youtu.be/G75cORqX_oQ > > Now, "Stay Awhile" was pretty bad, but I think Muller's in the lead. But > maybe not after this next little gem: > http://youtu.be/XpSv4WiJXyI > > Ah ha ha ha--try wiping this image out your head when it hits the pillow! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:41:54 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) Following the Nick Drake thread, thought this might be of interest to UK listers - (unfortunately can't go myself) Robert Kirby Memorial Concert http://www.robertkirby.co.uk/ This is a special one-off concert featuring Robert Kirby's arrangements, conducted by Harvey Brough with performances by Teddy Thompson, Vashti Bunyan, Steve Ashley and more Place: Cecil Sharp House (www.efdss.org), 2 Regent's Park Road, London, NW1 7AY Date & Time: Sunday 3rd October at 2.30pm very best to all PaulC NP Ana Moura - Que Dizer De Nss (Love a bit of Fado and Ana has such a great voice! - http://blip.fm/~x2p8y ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:58:38 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc One of his biggest hits! And here it is just for you, Catherine!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcmwqbuVfuo Jerry On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > There is a David Cassidy version? Totally got to check that out! NOT!!! > > > > >From: Gerald Notaro > > >Catherine, > > > >We know you love the David Cassidy version! > > > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:58:13 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc But of course - did not intent to diss TransAmerica in any way - brilliant film and such a powerhouse performance. Bob NP: Little Feat, "Long Time Til I Get Over You" Gerald Notaro Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 10/06/2010 09:59 PM Please respond to Gerald Notaro To Bob Muller cc Catherine McKay , JMDL Subject Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Have always hated that song. But I do love the movie TransAmerica. Jerry On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > Thanks Catherine, that was truly awful....not the the parody, that was > great. > That song, "Stay Awhile", just awful. > > In the opposite corner - my contender: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=matInxK1eZ8&feature=fvst > > Bob, vomiting - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If he was born in 1950, then he would have been five or six when he learned this: "In 1956, he found out from neighbor children that his parents had been divorced for over two years and had not even told him" > >From: Gerald Notaro >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" ; jonilist JMDL >Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:58:38 AM >Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc > >One of his biggest hits! And here it is just for you, Catherine!!! > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcmwqbuVfuo > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:10:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc < A couple of people posted under the Wayne Newton one that their Dads abandoned them when they were kids, so it's probably therapeutic in some way.> Perhaps the Dads should have sung that song WHILE they were abandoning their kids - then the kids would not have been so traumatized but rather would be glad to see them go. Bob NP: The Cure, "Scared As You" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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It doesn't say on the website, so I suppose not. I hope at least one of the UK listers in or around London will attend. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:41:54 AM > Subject: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) >(njc) > > Following the Nick Drake thread, thought > this might be of interest to UK listers - > (unfortunately can't go myself) > > Robert Kirby Memorial Concert > http://www.robertkirby.co.uk/ > > This is a special one-off concert featuring > Robert Kirby's arrangements, conducted > by Harvey Brough with performances by > Teddy Thompson, Vashti Bunyan, Steve > Ashley and more > > Place: Cecil Sharp House (www.efdss.org), > 2 Regent's Park Road, London, NW1 7AY > > Date & Time: Sunday 3rd October at 2.30pm > > very best to all > PaulC > > NP Ana Moura - Que Dizer De Nss > (Love a bit of Fado and Ana has such a great voice! - > http://blip.fm/~x2p8y ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc It goes to show you how people react to things in such different ways. If my Dad had abandoned my sibs and me, I think we'd have been extremely angry and would probably have sought revenge. I'd probably get more out of listening to Martha Wainwright's "Bloody, MF A-hole." I'm censoring myself because I just KNOW your email filter would reject my email if I had said "PO'd" (spelled out in full, for "angry" and if I had written out the complete name of the MW song.) Let's see if it accepts "bloody." As in, um, very rare steak. And my, what a tiny font you have! > >From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: JMDL ; T Peckham ; Gerald Notaro > >Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 8:10:21 AM >Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc > > >< A couple of people posted under the Wayne Newton one >that their Dads abandoned them when they were kids, so it's probably therapeutic > >in some way.> > >Perhaps the Dads should have sung that song WHILE they were abandoning their >kids - then the kids would not have been so traumatized but rather would be glad >to see them go. > > >Bob > >NP: The Cure, "Scared As >You"------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:30:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Hey, let's not get PERSONAL! :) One thing I have realized through this list is that it's always dangerous to joke about a sensitive subject. I'm certain that more than one JMDL'er have suffered at the hands of an irresponsible parent and for that I'm truly sorry. I can't relate as I was fortunate to have two awesome (flawed, but awesome) parents. My Dad's mother abandoned him when he was 2, and his response was to be a good Dad; he still is, in fact. For me, being a good Dad was easy because I had such a model. Bob NP: Mike Doughty, "I Hear The Bells" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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The food they served was all grown in their garden (when we drove up Steph was wrist deep in soil pulling up the carrots we would eat later) and Anita and Steph's company was equally authentic and delightful. We got to play in their Conker Cabin, Anita's office by day but a room which is perfectly appointed for twenty or so people to enjoy a house concert. Anita and her old guitarist friend Dave King played a set, a mixture of originals and covers, and Anita, though worried that she might have lost her mojo after not playing for a while, sounded great. The "Joni" guitar has special powers! Dave King is a fantastic player, brimming with tasty Larry Carlton-ish licks and always enhancing the music. Robin and I followed with two sets of Joni material, joined by Dave whose great ear had him able to follow the twists and turns of Joni chord progressions that I think he had never heard before. It was fully acoustic, as per Anita's wishes, so it was almost like singing around a campfire except that we were snug indoors on comfy seats. Chris Marshall made the drive down from Cambridge area to attend. Thanks a million to him and our hostesses for making it such a fun and musical hang. The magic of live music lived to fight another day... Then, one week later, queen Lucy had a splendid gathering at her place in Gosport and we had the kitchen song circle around the big wooden table for a couple of nights in a row. Listers Les Ross, Martin Giles, and Chris Marshall again were in attendance plus Lucy's family and friends. The music flowed along with the drinks and at one point we had the harmony vocal ensemble of dreams, the last chord of "Ooh Baby Baby"! Loads of fun. Den mother extraordinaire, Lucy fed everyone with copious amounts of homemade chicken curry and her bountiful good humor. We then headed off to Denmark on the 20th for 10 days of traveling, sightseeing and gigs in one of the world's most beautiful countries. Listers Bene, Christina and Henning had put together some dates in town and we played a total of five appearances in four days! Our amazing Mutts keyboardist Barnaby happened to be in Copenhagen with his wife, after a Baltic cruise, so we were able to play with him one night. Henning and Christina typically played a set of early Joni tunes (though Sunny Sunday was on the list) and then Robin and I got to do our thing, but with the added third harmony of Christina wherever we could use her. Our voices blended just right and we all thought seriously about becoming professional musicians :-D Huge thanks to the Danes for their hospitality and labors on our behalf. And special thanks to Bene for showing up at every gig that week, even the ones where the audience talking was louder than the PA. It's not every day you get to play Harry's House in a Danish pub with half-price Guiness all night to celebrate Alfred Guiness' birthday. I think that's what they call globalization. Finally, our last Saturday before flying home, dear Lieve, who needs no introduction here, hosted us at her home and had arranged a night at Olivier's Jazz Club in Greenwich, which was a smash success. Jamie "Zooby" Zubairi came down for the gig, bless him, and we all sweated in the below-ground cellar club playing to a full house or more or less eager listeners. It felt a bit like the Cavern Club in 1962 thankfully minus the thick second hand smoke. Those who decided it wasn't their cup of tea took themselves out and pretty soon we had a room of people into the concept of a night of Joni music. The house PA was of your usual blown-tweeter type so I was hoping the music would translate somehow, but it did. Joni's music is just very powerful, melodically, lyrically, harmonically, and stands tall even under less than perfect circumstances, but then you all know that, which is why you are reading this! It was another great night and wrapped up our 4 1/2 week tour/vacation just perfectly. Thanks to lovely Lieve for her perseverance in booking the gig despite a flaky club owner. The night manager said we were welcome back anytime, which represents a triumph. People lined up to buy CDs too: another triumph in this day and age. Thanks again to all our hosts, friends along the tour and all the rest of you out there. We hope to meet every one of you along the way... love Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:18:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Back from Europe NJC Isn't it though? What an awesome tour and I know you guys had a ball. Welcome home and congratulations on all the well-deserved successes. My Mutts Of The Planet CD has stayed in heavy rotation and still gives me chills. Bob NP: Pavement, "Blue Hawaiian" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:40:45 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Back from Europe NJC My word would be triumphs! That would be my description of the evening at Conker Cabin. And I would also add that Dave and Robin are wonderful house guests. If anyone else is thinking of putting a house gig tour together for them, honestly, our bathroon was cleaner when they left than when they arrived! :~)) And they play Joni all afternoon and evening,too! Anita xx > Welcome home and congratulations on all the well-deserved successes. >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:48:14 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) Hard to imagine how I could go, since the date was last weekend! Paul, do you want to double check this? All the best, Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 7 October, 2010 13:15:50 Subject: Re: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) The string arrangements on Nick Drake's songs were brilliant. Between that and his style of guitar-playing, there was always a very classy and classical feel to the music, which suited the poetry of his words and his voice perfectly. I wonder if they'll record and/or broadcast that? It doesn't say on the website, so I suppose not. I hope at least one of the UK listers in or around London will attend. - ----- Original Message - ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:41:54 AM > Subject: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) >(njc) > > Following the Nick Drake thread, thought > this might be of interest to UK listers - > (unfortunately can't go myself) > > Robert Kirby Memorial Concert > http://www.robertkirby.co.uk/ > > This is a special one-off concert featuring > Robert Kirby's arrangements, conducted > by Harvey Brough with performances by > Teddy Thompson, Vashti Bunyan, Steve > Ashley and more > > Place: Cecil Sharp House (www.efdss.org), > 2 Regent's Park Road, London, NW1 7AY > > Date & Time: Sunday 3rd October at 2.30pm > > very best to all > PaulC > > NP Ana Moura - - Que Dizer De Nss > (Love a bit of Fado and Ana has such a great voice! - > http://blip.fm/~x2p8y ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:04:32 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc And what is that movie that's playing? Seems like the film is as bad as the song... ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Bob Muller Cc: JMDL Sent: Thu, 7 October, 2010 3:54:27 Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Nasty! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob Muller > > In the opposite corner - my contender: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=matInxK1eZ8&feature=fvst > > Bob, vomiting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:10:01 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc Love it. You have done Smurphadelica proud! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 6, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: This calls for a song parody. Here's to you, Smurf - and Anita! For all the beer babies out there: Blue, beers are like tattoos But just the temporary kind With you a short time Before they're pissed away Hey Blue, here is a beer for you Malted barley grain Some hops it might contain A little sugar cane Well there's so many drinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it through these beers Lager, stout or ale Pilsener, brown or pale Mere details, mere details Everybody's saying that Beer's the hippest way to go Well, I don't think so But I'm gonna drink a pint or two though Blue, I love you Blue, here is a keg for you Inside you'll hear a burp A yeasty little chirp Here is a beer from me - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anita G > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara ; "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > ; jonilist JMDL ; Lieve Reckers > ; Gerald Notaro > Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 2:59:15 PM > Subject: Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little > Joni-related addition now njc > > The obvious song choice for Labatt's Blue beer must surely be Blue. > That would have surely got the party started - every one singing gaily > along. Sweet Caroline v Blue as an ad for beer..... > " Sweet Caroline - --------DA DA DA" > or > > " Songs are like tattooos ------DA DA DA" > > MInd you, I could really hear Smurph's version on a beer ad! Perfect > Thinking of you, Smurphy > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:16:34 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc This is the triple. The trifecta. The unholy trinity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETIPZS073Q I need to take a shower. CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:22:20 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc Catherine, you're back on form! Brilliant. And, as Paz, puts it, done Smurphy proud. 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Also, thanks guys for ruining my morning coffee with all these swarmy god-awful songs. I really didn't want to ever hear Honey ever again!!! :-) sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:31 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: JMDL; T Peckham; Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Hey, let's not get PERSONAL! :) One thing I have realized through this list is that it's always dangerous to joke about a sensitive subject. I'm certain that more than one JMDL'er have suffered at the hands of an irresponsible parent and for that I'm truly sorry. I can't relate as I was fortunate to have two awesome (flawed, but awesome) parents. My Dad's mother abandoned him when he was 2, and his response was to be a good Dad; he still is, in fact. For me, being a good Dad was easy because I had such a model. Bob NP: Mike Doughty, "I Hear The Bells" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:51:27 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Back from Europe Great to have you and Robin back, Dave. Sounds like you had a fabulous time!!! I am so jealous of Lieve that she not only was in New Orleans for Pazfest II but was able to get back to enjoy the Mutts in the UK! Now that's a Jonifest fall to live for!! Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:02 AM To: Jonilist Digest Subject: Back from Europe Greetings all, Robin and I returned Monday night from a fantastic 4 1/2 week vacation/tour to the UK and Denmark and were treated to a royal welcome by no less than four separate groups of JMDL listers. Thanks to this list and a common love of the music of JM we have made friends spanning the globe, friends who are no longer merely email handles. It's an amazing thing. I'd like to thank them. Firstly, Anita G and partner Steph welcomed us to their extraordinary and newly remodeled 16th century cottage, every aspect of which is charming and beautiful. The food they served was all grown in their garden (when we drove up Steph was wrist deep in soil pulling up the carrots we would eat later) and Anita and Steph's company was equally authentic and delightful. We got to play in their Conker Cabin, Anita's office by day but a room which is perfectly appointed for twenty or so people to enjoy a house concert. Anita and her old guitarist friend Dave King played a set, a mixture of originals and covers, and Anita, though worried that she might have lost her mojo after not playing for a while, sounded great. The "Joni" guitar has special powers! Dave King is a fantastic player, brimming with tasty Larry Carlton-ish licks and always enhancing the music. Robin and I followed with two sets of Joni material, joined by Dave whose great ear had him able to follow the twists and ! turns of Joni chord progressions that I think he had never heard before. It was fully acoustic, as per Anita's wishes, so it was almost like singing around a campfire except that we were snug indoors on comfy seats. Chris Marshall made the drive down from Cambridge area to attend. Thanks a million to him and our hostesses for making it such a fun and musical hang. The magic of live music lived to fight another day... Then, one week later, queen Lucy had a splendid gathering at her place in Gosport and we had the kitchen song circle around the big wooden table for a couple of nights in a row. Listers Les Ross, Martin Giles, and Chris Marshall again were in attendance plus Lucy's family and friends. The music flowed along with the drinks and at one point we had the harmony vocal ensemble of dreams, the last chord of "Ooh Baby Baby"! Loads of fun. Den mother extraordinaire, Lucy fed everyone with copious amounts of homemade chicken curry and her bountiful good humor. We then headed off to Denmark on the 20th for 10 days of traveling, sightseeing and gigs in one of the world's most beautiful countries. Listers Bene, Christina and Henning had put together some dates in town and we played a total of five appearances in four days! Our amazing Mutts keyboardist Barnaby happened to be in Copenhagen with his wife, after a Baltic cruise, so we were able to play with him one night. Henning and Christina typically played a set of early Joni tunes (though Sunny Sunday was on the list) and then Robin and I got to do our thing, but with the added third harmony of Christina wherever we could use her. Our voices blended just right and we all thought seriously about becoming professional musicians :-D Huge thanks to the Danes for their hospitality and labors on our behalf. And special thanks to Bene for showing up at every gig that week, even the ones where the audience talking was louder than the PA. It's not every day you get to play Harry's House in ! a Danish pub with half-price Guiness all night to celebrate Alfred Guiness' birthday. I think that's what they call globalization. Finally, our last Saturday before flying home, dear Lieve, who needs no introduction here, hosted us at her home and had arranged a night at Olivier's Jazz Club in Greenwich, which was a smash success. Jamie "Zooby" Zubairi came down for the gig, bless him, and we all sweated in the below-ground cellar club playing to a full house or more or less eager listeners. It felt a bit like the Cavern Club in 1962 thankfully minus the thick second hand smoke. Those who decided it wasn't their cup of tea took themselves out and pretty soon we had a room of people into the concept of a night of Joni music. The house PA was of your usual blown-tweeter type so I was hoping the music would translate somehow, but it did. Joni's music is just very powerful, melodically, lyrically, harmonically, and stands tall even under less than perfect circumstances, but then you all know that, which is why you are reading this! It was another great night and wrapped up our 4 1/2 week tour/vacation just! perfectly. Thanks to lovely Lieve for her perseverance in booking the gig despite a flaky club owner. The night manager said we were welcome back anytime, which represents a triumph. People lined up to buy CDs too: another triumph in this day and age. Thanks again to all our hosts, friends along the tour and all the rest of you out there. We hope to meet every one of you along the way... love Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:43:04 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc Oh Catherine, it's this damned digest. I am behind the times. As well, I only read about 6 posts before I started writing this, so forgive me if some of it is repeated elsewhere in this thread. Anyway, like you, I was sure that Terry and Susan Jacks were The Bells, and thought "Stay Awhile" was their song, but alas, when I just wikipedia'ed it, I guess it's another couple. While I think Seasons in the Sun has to be one of the most atrocious songs to come out of Canada, "Stay Awhile" is right up there. According to Wikipedia, that song charted at #7 in the US in 1971, so apparently, we shared the pain. At work, I listen to an oldies AM station all day, which I love because it so reminds me of AM radio as a kid, and it plays the biggest mix of oldies schmaltz and 80s songs. There is no rhyme or reason to anything, so you'll hear "Stay Awhile" followed by "You Shook Me" followed by "Linda Put the Coffee On" followed by that acapella version of "After the Gold Rush" by those people whose names I can't remember. Thus far this morning, I've just heard "Low Rider", followed by "The Last Song" by Edward Bear followed by "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" and FOLLOWED BY, RIGHT NOW, WITH "You Turn Me On"! Yesterday, they played "Carey". It's a station from a small town and the ads are local and things are unpolished and I love it. It's the perfect answer to Clear Channel, which I have come to realize has taken over the US radio market. Anyway, if you love schmaltz, you can google the station - CK750 in Melfort, Saskatchewan. But I digress. I do believe that Terry Jacks also sang "Where Evil Grows", which I remember listening to when I was about 4 years old, on our weird portable 8 track player. Susan Jacks also sang the lovely "Which way you going, Billy", which, thanks to my love of schmaltzy radio, I've grown to learn most of the words to. However, I am going to leave poor Terry for a moment. I believe having been known as the singer of that song is enough punishment. As Catherine noted, we Canucks have been subject to some horrible crap in the name of Canadian Content. I can't remember what the percentage is, but I think 1/3 of music on radio had (and has) to be Canadian. There is this complicated way to figure out Canadian content - I think if it's produced by a Cannuck, it might also qualify. ANYWAY. Back in the day, our radios would be full of this cheesy, horrible stuff, although I can't even call it truly horrible because now there is a bit of nostalgia attached to it. This Canadian music was so cheesy that it felt like we were in some communist state, listening to some crappy state-sponsored propoganda music. Just last night, on MuchMoreMusic Retro, they played these Canadian videos from the 80s, and I was shocked and awed that a horrible so ng like "Tokyo Rose" by... oh hell, I forget... some crappy Toronto band - anyway - I couldn't believe that a) they got a recording contract and b) that I new all the words to the song. Not because I liked it, but because they had to be played to get the CanCon in for the day. There were bright spots - Bruce Coburn was successful with actual singles, and I dare you to find me a catchier song than Martha and the Muffins' "Echo Beach." Anyway, back to Terry Jacks - the other person in Canada defined by a song that I can't stand is Dan Hill and "Sometimes When we Touch". UGH. Can't. Stand. IT. The poor guy actually has written about how it's haunted him, and while his music was never my thing, he did have a good song called "Love in the Shadows" in the early 80s that was catchy. But anyway - to sum up: Terry Jacks and Dan Hill: pure dreckitude,as that Andre Leon Talley would say. Don't even get me started with Bryan Adams.... And I'll defend Anne Murray to the death! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:10:39 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc And please don't anyone confuse that awful song with Dusty Springfield's FABULOUS hit Stay Awhile. Hey Anita or Lulu. Do you remember this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRRLrDnx5OY&feature=related Jerry On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Robert Procyk wrote: > Oh Catherine, it's this damned digest. I am behind the times. As well, I > only read about 6 posts before I started writing this, so forgive me if > some of it is repeated elsewhere in this thread. Anyway, like you, I was > sure that Terry and Susan Jacks were The Bells, and thought "Stay Awhile" > was their song, but alas, when I just wikipedia'ed it, I guess it's > another couple. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Nice! I was wondering when someone would post some Cher content. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: c Karma > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 10:16:34 AM > Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc > > This is the triple. The trifecta. The unholy trinity. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETIPZS073Q > > > I need to take a shower. > CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string arranger) (njc) You'll have to time-travel, my dear. I didn't even notice the date and, if I had, it would have made no difference because I have absolutely NO idea what day or date it is these days without checking a calendar several times over. Even then, I'm often a week off. Oh well... - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lieve Reckers > To: Catherine McKay ; Paul Castle >; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 9:48:14 AM > Subject: Re: Memorial Concert for Robert Kirby (Nick Drake's string >arranger) (njc) > > Hard to imagine how I could go, since the date was last weekend! > Paul, do you > want to double check this? > All the best, > Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:45:27 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Wow, this is turning into the best thread in years :-) Jerry On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Nice! I was wondering when someone would post some Cher content. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: c Karma > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 10:16:34 AM > > Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - > njc > > > > This is the triple. The trifecta. The unholy trinity. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETIPZS073Q > > > > > > I need to take a shower. > > CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Back from Europe I do love your descriptions. Wish I coulda been there. It sounds amazing. I look forward to meeting you and Robin one of these days and listening to you play live. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dave Blackburn > To: Jonilist Digest > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 9:01:43 AM > Subject: Back from Europe > > Greetings all, > > Robin and I returned Monday night from a fantastic 4 1/2 week vacation/tour to >the UK and Denmark and were treated to a royal welcome by no less than four >separate groups of JMDL listers. Thanks to this list and a common love of the >music of JM we have made friends spanning the globe, friends who are no longer >merely email handles. It's an amazing thing. I'd like to thank them. > [...] > Thanks again to all our hosts, friends along the tour and all the rest of you >out there. We hope to meet every one of you along the way... > > love > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc Ha ha. People reading this on the list from smoe probably have no idea what we're talking about since they're seeing the plain text version. That's just me and my crappy eyesight (getting crappier by the minute too.) Good for your Dad for not falling into the same trap as his Dad. Some people learn from mistakes (their own or others') and some people just repeat them. It's good to break the chain when the chain isn't good. As well, if your parents weren't flawed, they wouldn't be human and you'd never be able to live up to them, so thank goodness for flaws! It's pretty obvious, unless you're a really good liar, that you and your Dad and you and your son and presumably your Dad and your son get along really well and like, as well as love, one another. > >From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: JMDL ; T Peckham ; Gerald Notaro > >Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 8:30:32 AM >Subject: Re: Nasty, smarmy, godawful, badass, completely yucky songs - njc > > > > >Hey, let's not get PERSONAL! :) > >One thing I have realized through this list is that it's always dangerous to >joke about a sensitive subject. I'm certain that more than one JMDL'er have >suffered at the hands of an irresponsible parent and for that I'm truly sorry. I >can't relate as I was fortunate to have two awesome (flawed, but awesome) >parents. My Dad's mother abandoned him when he was 2, and his response was to be >a good Dad; he still is, in fact. For me, being a good Dad was easy because I >had such a model. > > >Bob > >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc There are songs that I don't like and yet still have a certain fondness for and I guess it all goes to what you're saying about the nostalgia factor. There was a lot of cheese when they introduced CanCon and some people made a few bucks off it, so it was almost like the government gave them a grant to produce the stuff (maybe they did, for that matter.) I guess Dan Hill kind of faded into the background in order to lose the link with THAT song (which, I hate to admit, I kind of liked at the time, but now, iwww!) I think he's more involved in writing for other people and/or producing these days. I remember "Where evil grows" too and it's nowhere near as bad as "Seasons in the sun." Hokey, but pretty representative of pop music at the time, I guess. Loved "Echo beach." When my kids were quite young (5 and 8 according to what Wikipedia says about her children's album, released in 1995), Martha came to their school to do a concert. At that time, she had switched to doing Kiddie Concerts. (Wikipedia says it was a "side project.") She was wearing one of those seasonal sweaters because it was near Halloween (pumpkins and cats and stuff all over it.) If the drecky stuff is mixed in with good stuff, it's a bit easier to take, and you can talk yourself into thinking the DJ is being campy or ironic. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robert Procyk > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 11:43:04 AM >... > > However, I am going to leave poor Terry for a moment. I believe having > been known as the singer of that song is enough punishment. As Catherine > noted, we Canucks have been subject to some horrible crap in the name of > Canadian Content. I can't remember what the percentage is, but I think > 1/3 of music on radio had (and has) to be Canadian. There is this > complicated way to figure out Canadian content - I think if it's produced > by a Cannuck, it might also qualify. ANYWAY. Back in the day, our > radios would be full of this cheesy, horrible stuff, although I can't > even call it truly horrible because now there is a bit of nostalgia > attached to it. This Canadian music was so cheesy that it felt like we > were in some communist state, listening to some crappy state-sponsored > propoganda music. Just last night, on MuchMoreMusic Retro, they played > these Canadian videos from the 80s, and I was shocked and awed that a > horrible so ng like "Tokyo Rose" by... oh hell, I forget... some crappy > Toronto band - anyway - I couldn't believe that a) they got a recording > contract and b) that I new all the words to the song. Not because I > liked it, but because they had to be played to get the CanCon in for the > day. > > There were bright spots - Bruce Coburn was successful with actual > singles, and I dare you to find me a catchier song than Martha and the > Muffins' "Echo Beach." > > Anyway, back to Terry Jacks - the other person in Canada defined by a > song that I can't stand is Dan Hill and "Sometimes When we Touch". UGH. > Can't. Stand. IT. The poor guy actually has written about how it's > haunted him, and while his music was never my thing, he did have a good > song called "Love in the Shadows" in the early 80s that was catchy. But > anyway - to sum up: Terry Jacks and Dan Hill: pure dreckitude,as that > Andre Leon Talley would say. > > Don't even get me started with Bryan Adams.... > > And I'll defend Anne Murray to the death! > > Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:16:22 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc OH, I totally forgot about Martha's other band - M + M. They had two little hits in the 80s, "Black Stations/White Stations", which didn't make American Top 40, but I know it made the Hot 100 and was in the Billboard Dance/Disco/12" Single Chart Top 10 (you see how my nerdiness comes out when I can quote 80s chart positions? I used to save my money to buy Billboard in the early 80s, which I can't believe I am admitting), and "Cooling the Medium", which was sort of nice. But the one thing about CanCon was that Joni got a little bit of airplay with songs like "Good Friends" and "Come in From the Cold". Of course, so did Lightfoot. I have to admit - I know there are Lightfoot fans on the list - but I can't stand anything of his, except for that song about that boat. Finally, Catherine, and other Canucks - what do you think about the Tragically Hip? Am I the only person in the country to not get it? I mean, yeah, they're ok, but they ain't exactly the Beatles. I can't even say it's an age thing, as they've been around since I was 18 or so. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine McKay Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010 11:00 am Subject: Re: my report of Dave and Robin's wonderful concert - with a little Joni-related addition now njc > There are songs that I don't like and yet still have a certain > fondness for and > I guess it all goes to what you're saying about the nostalgia > factor. There was > a lot of cheese when they introduced CanCon and some people made a > few bucks off > it, so it was almost like the government gave them a grant to > produce the stuff > (maybe they did, for that matter.) > > I guess Dan Hill kind of faded into the background in order to > lose the link > with THAT song (which, I hate to admit, I kind of liked at the > time, but now, > iwww!) I think he's more involved in writing for other people > and/or producing > these days. > > I remember "Where evil grows" too and it's nowhere near as bad as > "Seasons in > the sun." Hokey, but pretty representative of pop music at the > time, I guess. > > Loved "Echo beach." When my kids were quite young (5 and 8 > according to what > Wikipedia says about her children's album, released in 1995), > Martha came to > their school to do a concert. At that time, she had switched to > doing Kiddie > Concerts. (Wikipedia says it was a "side project.") She was > wearing one of > those seasonal sweaters because it was near Halloween (pumpkins > and cats and > stuff all over it.) > > If the drecky stuff is mixed in with good stuff, it's a bit easier > to take, and > you can talk yourself into thinking the DJ is being campy or ironic. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Robert Procyk > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 11:43:04 AM > >... > > > > However, I am going to leave poor Terry for a moment. I > believe having > > been known as the singer of that song is enough punishment. As > Catherine> noted, we Canucks have been subject to some horrible > crap in the name of > > Canadian Content. I can't remember what the percentage is, but > I think > > 1/3 of music on radio had (and has) to be Canadian. There is this > > complicated way to figure out Canadian content - I think if > it's produced > > by a Cannuck, it might also qualify. ANYWAY. Back in the day, our > > radios would be full of this cheesy, horrible stuff, although I > can't> even call it truly horrible because now there is a bit of > nostalgia> attached to it. This Canadian music was so cheesy > that it felt like we > > were in some communist state, listening to some crappy state- > sponsored> propoganda music. Just last night, on MuchMoreMusic > Retro, they played > > these Canadian videos from the 80s, and I was shocked and awed > that a > > horrible so ng like "Tokyo Rose" by... oh hell, I forget... > some crappy > > Toronto band - anyway - I couldn't believe that a) they got a > recording> contract and b) that I new all the words to the song. > Not because I > > liked it, but because they had to be played to get the CanCon > in for the > > day. > > > > There were bright spots - Bruce Coburn was successful with actual > > singles, and I dare you to find me a catchier song than Martha > and the > > Muffins' "Echo Beach." > > > > Anyway, back to Terry Jacks - the other person in Canada > defined by a > > song that I can't stand is Dan Hill and "Sometimes When we > Touch". UGH. > > Can't. Stand. IT. The poor guy actually has written about how it's > > haunted him, and while his music was never my thing, he did > have a good > > song called "Love in the Shadows" in the early 80s that was > catchy. But > > anyway - to sum up: Terry Jacks and Dan Hill: pure > dreckitude,as that > > Andre Leon Talley would say. > > > > Don't even get me started with Bryan Adams.... > > > > And I'll defend Anne Murray to the death! > > > > Rob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #299 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------