From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #279 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 19 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 279 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni - Best lines [Joe Jones ] Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Paul Ivice ] Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Paul Ivice ] New article: The festival that time forgot [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Joni.com download [Anita G ] Feeling Old - njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Feeling Old - njc [Em ] Re: Feeling Old - njc [Gerald Notaro ] how about best lines? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Feeling Old - njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni ["Mark" ] Re: how about best lines? [Em ] Re: Feeling Old - njc ["Mark" ] Fw: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni ["Mark" ] Tracklist for JMDL 2010 CD, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: how about best lines? [Anita G ] Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? ["Mark" ] New article: I CAME UPON A CHILD OF GOD [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [rflynn@frontiernet.net] New article: Ed Thrasher, 74, Album Designer, Dies [TheStaff@JoniMitchell] RE: Tracklist for JMDL 2010 CD, njc ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Joni - Best lines Send me somebody, who's strong and somewhat sincere ! np - xx - The xx On 19 September 2010 08:00, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Sunday, September 19 2010 Volume 2010 : Number > 278 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > AUTO: Donald R. Barthel/111527/EKC is out of the office. (returning > 09/24/2010) [donald.barthel@k] > Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Paul Ivice >] > Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London [Gmail > Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Anita G >] > Re: BBC Four hails singer-songwriters (njc) [Bill Pearson >] > Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? ["Marian" ] > Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? ["Marion Leffler" > Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? ["Marion Leffler" > RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #260 ["S. M. Roque" >] > Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Laura Stanley >] > Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Mags >] > Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? [Laura Stanley > Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London [Lieve Reckers > Weird coincidences [ >] > Songs to aging children! ["Epley, Keith" >] > Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? [Anita G ] > Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? [Bob Muller ] > Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? [Mags ] > Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? [Mags ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:12:47 -0400 > From: donald.barthel@kodak.com > Subject: AUTO: Donald R. Barthel/111527/EKC is out of the office. > (returning 09/24/2010) > > I am out of the office until 09/24/2010. > > I will respond to your message when I return. > Please contact Rita Doran for assistance, x74263 or Bill Heyen x23747 for > Color Print/Aerial B-38 codes, or any B-38 formulation technician. For > 8272/9272/X468/2470/3021: Jim Fitzgerald x21993. Frank Ciliberto x25523 for > X321,X056,X925/5419,X110,X948,X949 > Thanks, > > > Note: This is an automated response to your message "onlyJMDL Digest V2010 > #260" sent on 9/18/2010 3:00:12 AM. > > This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:32:20 -0400 > From: Paul Ivice > Subject: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni > > I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on > jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later > rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other > times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has > not lived up to your expectations? > Anita > PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... > > > Rhine wine and clandestine in Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. > > The word is pronounced "Clan-DES-tin," ith a silent "e," not > "Clan-des-TINE." > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:43:41 +0100 > From: Gmail > Subject: Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London > > I can't wait!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Sep 2010, at 23:41, Lieve Reckers wrote: > > > Dear all, > > as has already been mentioned by others in previous posts, Dave > > Blackburn and > > Robin Adler are coming to play at my local jazz bar in > > Greenwich, London SE10, > > on Saturday 2 October. Everybody knows, from their > > performance at the 2008 UK > > Jonifest, the 2009 Idylwild Jonifest and last > > week's gig at Anita's Conker > > Cabin, what marvellous musicians they are, and > > what a jewel their CD of Joni > > covers Safari's To The Heart is. > > > > If anybody > > needs a reminder, you can listen here to samples of their > > CD: http://robinadler.com/ > > > > Just a bit more about the venue, Oliver's. > > Address: 9 Nevada St, London SE10 9JL > > Telephone 020 8858 5855 > > > > If you google > > Oliver's bar, you will find lots of glowing reviews, like this > > random one: > > "Hidden away in Greenwich is this wonderful music venue / bar. Dark and > > cavernous, the place oozes understated style, and just by stepping in the > door > > you can feel your cool-rating rise by a couple of notches. Saying that, > it's > > by > > no means a pretentious venue, and would be a great place for a date, or > to > > go to > > with a close bunch of friends to relax over a bottle of wine and great > > live > > music." > > > > > > Or this one: "Oliver's Jazz Bar on Nevada Street is a little > > treasure. My > > favourite place in London. And the best part? There's an awful > > lot of people who > > don't even know where it is. But that's a good thing, > > because it's one of the > > best kept secrets in Greenwich. > > (....) OK, then > > over the road from Greenwich Theatre, behind the Spread Eagle, > > there's a > > little bench (do pop into the Nevada Street Deli next time you pass), > > see > > that little alleyway? And the black door? Push it. Just a little. Follow > > those stairs down into the wonderful little bar that is Olivers. Dark, > cosy, > > all > > painted red and black, tinkling on the piano. Everything a smoky jazz bar > > should > > be. Except it's not smoky anymore." > > > > You may find the bar's own > > website, > > http://www.liveblues.info/oliversmusicbar/home/ but it is already > > out of date > > because Olivier, the French owner, is decidedly not into > > computers! > > > > So anybody thinking of turning up, feel free to contact me and I > > can give you > > more details on how to get there by public transport, or where > > to safely park > > your car nearby. The gig only starts at 9.30, but you could > > get together with > > Dave and Robin (and me) over a drink or a bite to eat > > beforehand. I will be > > inviting several local friends and acquaintances too, > > of course, and the club > > also has its regular faithful clientele, so it could > > get pretty packed. (I hope > > I'm not tempting fate by saying this!) > > Hoping > > to see you in 2 weeks' time! > > Lieve > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:19:17 +0100 > From: Anita G > Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents > > On 18 September 2010 02:26, Mark wrote:> > > I remember catching a cab in the town of St. Ives in Cornwall to the next > > town because my friend Melanie & I found out the train didn't go to St. > Ives > > on Sunday and we were due back in London on that day. The cabbie had one > > heck of an accent that I believe was regional. Is there a Cornish > dialect? > > (Again, the dumb American here speaks.) > > > > Mark in Seattle > > Hi Mark, there sure is a Cornish dialect. They even have their own > flag and an independence movement! My brother lives in Cornwall in > Truro. He has told me that they call tourists 'emmets'. > Anitax > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:30:24 +0100 > From: Bill Pearson > Subject: Re: BBC Four hails singer-songwriters (njc) > > Thanks for the heads-up Paul. > Enjoyed this many moons ago and was surprised they didn't do another series > at the time. > I remember Joan Baez, Neil Finn, Roddy Frame and Chrissie Hynde but that > must've been ten years ago. > Looking forward to it. > Best, > Bill > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:42:08 +0200 > From: "Marian" > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > The rhyme I hate the most: > > Boring > The old man is snoring > > from the song Taming The Tiger, and pretty much the whole song make me want > to > cover my ears and run screaming out of the room. > > I love the lyrics of Underneath The Streetlight, though. I never really > paid > much attention to them until I started trying to learn the song on the > guitar. > This song is positively dense with modern imagery: > > streetlight > buildings > yellow and T.V. blue windows > neon light > garbage cans > blinkin' planes > truck > tunnel toll > disco sparkle dark [I love this one!] > be-bop boys > rock 'n roll broadcast > > > Marian > Austria > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:06:18 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > Considering that the song is about a cat: When I lost my cat I understood > the "big boo-hoo" perfectly. That sorrow is pure and simple, a big boo-hoo > indeed. > Marion in Sweden > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Les Irvin" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > > > On 9/17/2010 12:47 PM, Anita G wrote: > > Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry > > and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? > > > > Yes: > > > > I can't get through the day > > Without at least one big boo-hoo > > The pain won't go away > > What am I gonna do? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:22:49 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marian" > To: "'Joni List'" > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > > > I love the lyrics of Underneath The Streetlight, though. I never really > > paid > > much attention to them until I started trying to learn the song on the > > guitar. > > This song is positively dense with modern imagery: > > > > streetlight > > buildings > > yellow and T.V. blue windows > > neon light > > garbage cans > > blinkin' planes > > truck > > tunnel toll > > disco sparkle dark [I love this one!] > > be-bop boys > > rock 'n roll broadcast > > > > > > Marian > > Austria > > Maybe so but what about > "gay boys in their pants so tight > underneath the neon light". > > That is such a clichi, not worthy of Joni at all. > Imo, that is. > Marion > Sweden > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:05:55 -0400 > From: "S. M. Roque" > Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #260 > > Les, > > I too would buy the two songbooks from two of my favorite albums! > > Sylvia > smroque@hotmail.com > http://www.facebook.com/smroque > > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:08:24 -0600 > > From: Les Irvin > > Subject: Hejira songbook... anyone? > > > > > > Joniphiles - > > > > A music collector contacted me yesterday informing me of some goods he > > recently acquired. Boxes of books from the publisher sitting in a > > warehouse unopened (as of a few days ago). Among these boxes were the > > Hissing of Summer Lawns songbook and the Hejira songbook! Untouched and > > unopened for the last 34 years. > > > > A quick check of eBay reveals that he has put both these items there. > > He has them priced at a starting bid of $3.98 (+$2.98 shipping), but it > > appears to be a 4-6 day auction with no "buy it now" option. So, we > > would all be competing with each other there and driving up the price if > > we wanted one. > > > > On the other hand... he has offered to sell them to me, but I have to > > buy a full box of 50 each to get a good price. So my question is - any > > interest out there?? To make it simple, I thought I'd offer one deal to > > you all - both books, shipping included (to the US) for $10. > > > > Here are the items in question: > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=47 > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=21 > > > > Please let me know if you might be interested asap so I know if there is > > enough interest to make the deal. > > > > Thanks, > > Les > > > > PS These two books are being offered for $10 to JMDL members, and $12 to > > Facebook page members. So if it comes to pass... you know... keep it on > > the downlow with those Facebook types. : -) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:40:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents > > Mike wrote: > > here's a link to AWP > > > http://www.youtube.com/user/aufpetseries1and2?blend=2&ob=4 (Auf > weidersehen, > pet scouse and brummy accents here too) > > > > > Wow Mike... sounds familiar; it is what I sound like when I drink too!!! > Thanks > for the entertaining link. > > Love, > Laura > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:45:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mags > Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni > > In Canada, we pronounce clandestine, (rhymes with wine beautifully. ). > > > - --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Paul Ivice wrote: > > > From: Paul Ivice > Subject: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni > To: joni@smoe.org > Received: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:32 AM > > > I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on > jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later > rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other > times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has > not lived up to your expectations? > Anita > PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... > > > Rhine wine and clandestine in Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. > > The word is pronounced "Clan-DES-tin," ith a silent "e," not > "Clan-des-TINE." > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:18:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > I don't know if "not liked" is a good description, but this alliteration > came to > my mind. It tickles me when I hear it or even think about it... writing > about > it now it's playing in my mind, and I'm laaaaughing!!! > > > Ray's Dad's Cadillac > > Ray's dad teaches math > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:41:06 +0000 (GMT) > From: Lieve Reckers > Subject: Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London > > Jamie, what wonderful news that you will be there! > Lieve > ________________________________ > From: Gmail > To: > Lieve Reckers > Cc: jonilist JMDL ; > Dave Blackburn > Sent: Sat, 18 September, 2010 > 8:43:41 > Subject: Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London > > I > can't wait!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Sep 2010, at 23:41, Lieve Reckers > wrote: > > > Dear all, > > as has already been mentioned > by others in previous posts, Dave > > Blackburn and > > Robin Adler are coming to > play at my local jazz bar in > > Greenwich, London SE10, > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) > From: > Subject: Weird coincidences > > So I'm at the Roswell Arts Festival today, fixin' to play at 1pm, and I > noticed one of the artist's booths right next to the stage is the artist > from Asheville who laid me off after just a month, which prompted me to fly > to New York City for Bobfest, where I wrote Heavenly Eyes in Kay's > apartment, a trip which in turn inspired the song Boomerang Love, and led to > the recording of Parsonage Lane. > > We haven't spoken since that day in April 2002...I think I'll wait till > after I play to go by there as it feels a little weird but it was 8 years > ago so maybe it will actually be cool to reconnect. > > I actually got this slot at the last moment. Right when I emailed the > promoter, a slot had magically opened up. > > Victor > > Sent from Comcast mobile > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:58:03 -0500 > From: "Epley, Keith" > Subject: Songs to aging children! > > Greetings all you acolytes of the lyrical genius that is Joni Mitchell! > > Just reading the posts, the recognition of all the references to songs that > have meant so much to me for about 35 years now! And longer! My favorite > album of all time is Hejira, but I find myself at mid-50 languishing in > those > songs from Joni's first album: Marcy, The Dawntreader, Pirates of Penance > (my > dearest friend for so many years loved this last one-its drama). "Time > goes, > where does the time go." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:43:09 +0100 > From: Anita G > Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > > We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave > Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this > (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': > > "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof > Like a dragonfly on a tomb" > > One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: > > "One day I'm going to die here, too > And they'll plant me in the dirt > Like some lame bulb > That never blooms come any spring" > > The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. > Anita > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:47:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > > This one could go on and on, of course. (and it should) > > Trying to think of the ones that made me do a double-take the first time I > heard > them... > > "there's a man and a woman sitting on a rock, they're either going to thaw > out > or freeze" > " you stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear" > "pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps" > "I bore her but I could not raise her" > > And so on, and so forth...thanks Joni for your brilliant work which has led > me > to the best friendships and times I've known. > > Bob > > NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Sam Wong Hotel" > > > > - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anita G > To: jonipeople LIST > Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 5:43:09 PM > Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > > We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave > Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this > (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': > > "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof > Like a dragonfly on a tomb" > > One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: > > "One day I'm going to die here, too > And they'll plant me in the dirt > Like some lame bulb > That never blooms come any spring" > > The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. > Anita > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:25:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mags > Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > > holy syncronicity..I was just coming on here to make the same said > request!!! > > bring them on... > > now listening to: shades of scarlett conquering, a place where a woman must > have everything...you're damned right ;--P > > > > - --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Anita G wrote: > > > From: Anita G > Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > To: "jonipeople LIST" > Received: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 5:43 PM > > > We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave > Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this > (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': > > "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof > Like a dragonfly on a tomb" > > One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: > > "One day I'm going to die here, too > And they'll plant me in the dirt > Like some lame bulb > That never blooms come any spring" > > The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. > Anita > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:41:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mags > Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > > it's the feelings that run side the lyrics, that's the stuff that kills me > every time, every single time I hear her songs, almost always like > listening > to them for the first time, which I suppose could be argued to be > true..because of whatever life has hurled your way....you've got that stuff > under your belt and then some and then you go back to that place, that > lyric > and it has all sorts of new meaning to it. That's one of the many things I > love about Joni's songs. Her descriptors are spot on, and I love them, ever > so. > > there's comfort in melancholy with no need to explain > > don't you get sensitive on me > > between the forceps and the stone > > there'll be icycles and birthday clothes and sometimes, there'll be sorrow. > > his left hand holds his right > > love came to my door with a mad man's soul, and a sleeping roll, i thought > for > sure i'd seen him, dancing up a river in the dark, looking for a woman to > court and spark. > > branded as a jezebel....i'd be cast in shame, into the magdalene > laundries..(i > love this song, and the way Joni sort of does that howl thing...just rips > me > in two every time..). > > especially poignant is this line: they just stuffed her in a hole. > > whew, okay nuff said...lots and lots more...just some of what i've been > listening to on some old/but new speakers. > > Mags > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Bob Muller wrote: > > > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > To: "Anita G" , "jonipeople LIST" < > joni@smoe.org> > Received: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 7:47 PM > > > This one could go on and on, of course. (and it should) > > Trying to think of the ones that made me do a double-take the first time I > heard > them... > > "there's a man and a woman sitting on a rock, they're either going to thaw > out > or freeze" > " you stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear" > "pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps" > "I bore her but I could not raise her" > > And so on, and so forth...thanks Joni for your brilliant work which has led > me > to the best friendships and times I've known. > > Bob > > NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Sam Wong Hotel" > > > > - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anita G > To: jonipeople LIST > Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 5:43:09 PM > Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? > > We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave > Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this > (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': > > "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof > Like a dragonfly on a tomb" > > One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: > > "One day I'm going to die here, too > And they'll plant me in the dirt > Like some lame bulb > That never blooms come any spring" > > The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. > Anita > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2010 #278 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > - -- - -- Joe Jones +44 7831 914094 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:41:24 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni >Rhine wine and clandestine in Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. The word is pronounced "Clan-DES-tin," ith a silent "e," not "Clan-des- TINE."< It sometimes depends where you come from. I'm not sure which is the common pronunciation in Canada but I've heard it pronounced both ways here. I've always pronounced it the same way as Joni. The rule in English, of course, is that an E on the end of a word causes the previous vowel to be long. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:00:01 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? Oh yes, this could be endless but this is why I'm here. These are the things that are special to many of us. In my opinion, the greatest line that Joni ever uttered and has the greatest resonance for me is, "I remember the time you told me, 'love is touching souls' then, surely you touched mine 'cause part of you pours out of me in these lines from time to time". Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:38:50 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Joni Fashion Week Joni as inspiration for fashion designers this week On Wednesday Anna Sui cited her as a muse for her Spring/Summer 2011 collection at the New York Fashion Week - see http://canadieren.blogspot.com/ and Sienna and Savannah Miller's catwalk show at the London Fashion week yesterday http://bit.ly/buV1pP >"Their mission statement cited Kerouac's landmark beat novel "On the Road" as a major influence, along with Mitchell's "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" album."> very best to all PaulC NP 'Wedding Song' by Anais Mitchell (with Justin Vernon) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:41:59 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni The rule you cite, if it exists, is not so much a rule as a pronunciation guide that in some cases changes the pronunciation of "win" to "wine" and "twin" to "twine," but certainly does not apply to words such as "intenstine," sanguine" and "clandestine," which according to dictionaries and common usage are pronounced with "in" as the final syllable and the emphasis on the previous syllable.. "Depends where you come from" makes certain mispronunciations locally or colloquially acceptable in certain areas, though not necessarily correct. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Mark-Leon Thorne mark-leon@iinet.net.au >Rhine wine and clandestine in Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. The word is pronounced "Clan-DES-tin," ith a silent "e," not "Clan-des-TINE."< It sometimes depends where you come from. I'm not sure which is the common pronunciation in Canada but I've heard it pronounced both ways here. I've always pronounced it the same way as Joni. The rule in English, of course, is that an E on the end of a word causes the previous vowel to be long. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:55:17 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni On 19/09/2010, at 7:41 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > The rule you cite, if it exists, is not so much a rule as a > pronunciation guide that in some cases changes the pronunciation of > "win" to "wine" and "twin" to "twine," but certainly does not apply > to words such as "intenstine," sanguine" and "clandestine," which > according to dictionaries and common usage are pronounced with "in" > as the final syllable and the emphasis on the previous syllable.. > "Depends where you come from" makes certain mispronunciations > locally or colloquially acceptable in certain areas, though not > necessarily correct. > Paul Ivice ;>) Therefore, your pronunciation may be just a local mispronunciation. I had a pretty decent education and was taught that this RULE was consistent. That an E at the end of a word indicates a preceding long vowel sound. This is taught as a rule of the English language, not a pronunciation guide. How can you say that entire nation's way of pronouncing words is incorrect. English has been adapted and evolved separately in many parts of the world. American English is not spoken in the same way as English spoken in other countries (including England) but it is that country's official language. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:17:57 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni - -----Original Message----- From: Mark-Leon Thorne mark-leon@iinet.net.au Therefore, your pronunciation may be just a local mispronunciation. I had a pretty decent education and was taught that this RULE was consistent. That an E at the end of a word indicates a preceding long vowel sound. This is taught as a rule of the English language, not a pronunciation guide. What can I say other than what you were taught, or think you were taught, as a "rule" of the English language does not exist as a "rule" in other English-speaking cultures. Your problem, therefore, is that I can refer to the audio pronunciation guide from Merriam-Webster Dictionary Online. Therefore, your pronunciation may be just a local mispronunciation. I had a pretty decent education and was taught that this RULE was consistent. That an E at the end of a word indicates a preceding long vowel sound. This is taught as a rule of the English language, not a pronunciation guide. What can I say other than what you were taught, or think you were taught, as a "rule" of the English language does not exist as a "rule" in other English-speaking cultures. Your problem, therefore, is that I can refer to the audio pronunciation guide from Merriam-Webster Dictionary Online. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clandestine ... and Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clandestine ... and the freedictionary.com clanB7desB7tine (kln-dstn) all of which, in three different voices, pronounce the word identically and consistent with the pronunciation guides. That's pretty strong evidence that you are wrong. Colloquially speaking, what you got? Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:57:56 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New article: The festival that time forgot A new article has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Title: The festival that time forgot Publication: The Star-Ledger Date: 2004.08.01 Read it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2269 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:16:17 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Joni.com download Can anyone kindly send me the link for the JMDL members fundraiser download for Joni.com that Dave Blackburn put up? I hadn't realised I'd missed it and would very much like to hear it. Thanks Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:23:35 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Feeling Old - njc The remarkable reunion concert with Simon and Garfunkle took place in Central Park 29 years ago today. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Feeling Old - njc Did you see the piece on CBS News Sunday? I was saddened to heard of Art G's vocal chord problems. Hope that can get better. Em - --- On Sun, 9/19/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: > From: Gerald Notaro > Subject: Feeling Old - njc > To: "Joni List" > Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 9:23 AM > The remarkable reunion concert with > Simon and Garfunkle took place in > Central Park 29 years ago today. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:17:24 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Feeling Old - njc Yes. It is the one show I NEVER miss. Jerry On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Em wrote: > Did you see the piece on CBS News Sunday? > I was saddened to heard of Art G's vocal chord problems. Hope that can get > better. > Em > > --- On Sun, 9/19/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: > > > From: Gerald Notaro > > Subject: Feeling Old - njc > > To: "Joni List" > > Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 9:23 AM > > The remarkable reunion concert with > > Simon and Garfunkle took place in > > Central Park 29 years ago today. > > > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:26:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: how about best lines? full and hollow, like a cactus tree the sun poured in like butterscotch / and stuck to all my senses You could have been more than a name on the door, on the thirty-third floor in the air All romantics meet the same fate someday Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafi Mama thinks she spoilt me Papa knows somehow he set me free Mama thinks she spoilt me rotten She blames herself But papa he blesses me I heard it in the wind last night It sounded like applause Chilly now End of summer No more shiny hot nights It was just the arbutus rustling And the bumping of the logs And the moon swept down black water Like an empty spotlight Underneath the jungle gym Hollow grey fire escape thief Looking for sweet fire Shadow of lady release Dogs and tugs and summertime I saw a falling star burn up / above the Las Vegas sands marbled bowling ball Now me: I could go on for about 10 years (and I have). Jim L'Hommedieu in the end of summer np: the overture to Jurrasic Park at full volume ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:17:30 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Feeling Old - njc Sigh! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 19, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: The remarkable reunion concert with Simon and Garfunkle took place in Central Park 29 years ago today. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:45:22 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni The Merriam-Webster site also shows 4 different pronunciations of the word: clanB7desB7tine adj \klan-Kdes-tIn also -K tD+n or -K tDn or Kklan-dIs-\ I believe the 'i' with the line over the top of it indicates the long form of the vowel which would make the first alternative pronunciation of the last syllable rhyme with the word wine. It does not, however, indicate any change in which syllable is accented. If I am remembering these symbols correctly, that would also make the 2nd alternative pronounced as 'teen'. I'm not sure what the final one with the \ representing the last syllable is. And I just know none of those symbols are going to show up when this posts to the JMDL. Interestingly, when I looked the word up in our hard-cover copies of 'Random House Webster's College Dictionary' and also in an older copy of 'Webster's New World Dictionary', both books showed only the single pronunciation which is the one Paul asserts is the correct one. Apparently the 'Webster' part of Merriam-Webster doesn't agree with the 'Merriam' part. Or maybe they're just confused. Or confusing. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Ivice" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 3:17 AM To: Cc: Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark-Leon Thorne mark-leon@iinet.net.au > Therefore, your pronunciation may be just a local mispronunciation. I had > a > pretty decent education and was taught that this RULE was consistent. That > an > E at the end of a word indicates a preceding long vowel sound. This is > taught > as a rule of the English language, not a pronunciation guide. > > What can I say other than what you were taught, or think you were taught, > as a > "rule" of the English language does not exist as a "rule" in other > English-speaking cultures. > Your problem, therefore, is that I can refer to the audio pronunciation > guide > from Merriam-Webster Dictionary Online. > . > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clandestine > > ... and Dictionary.com > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clandestine > > ... and the freedictionary.com > clanB7desB7tine (kln-dstn) > > all of which, in three different voices, pronounce the word identically > and > consistent with the pronunciation guides. > That's pretty strong evidence that you are wrong. Colloquially speaking, > what > you got? > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: how about best lines? I've always been partial to "red water in the bathroom sink, fever in the scum brown bowl". Not that I find it an attractive image. But I can just SEE it. And I immediately feel like I need to grab a scrub brush and some Comet. ugh... there are many more. Also "he'd p_ss in your fireplace and drag you through turbulent indigo" < wrote: > From: Jim L'Hommedieu > Subject: how about best lines? > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 11:26 AM > full and hollow, like a cactus tree > > the sun poured in like butterscotch / and stuck to all my > senses ...snip... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:56:08 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Feeling Old - njc That is sad news, Em. Such an angelic voice. 'For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her', 'Bridge Over Troubled Water'. Such beautiful singing. I don't think Rhymin' Simon could perform these songs. At least not with the same spine-tingling effect. Even though, I know, Paul did write them. I hope Art's voice recovers as well. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Em" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:03 AM To: "Joni List" ; "Gerald Notaro" Subject: Re: Feeling Old - njc > Did you see the piece on CBS News Sunday? > I was saddened to heard of Art G's vocal chord problems. Hope that can get > better. > Em > > --- On Sun, 9/19/10, Gerald Notaro wrote: > >> From: Gerald Notaro >> Subject: Feeling Old - njc >> To: "Joni List" >> Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 9:23 AM >> The remarkable reunion concert with >> Simon and Garfunkle took place in >> Central Park 29 years ago today. >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:57:45 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Fw: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni Good ol' smoe. - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:45 AM To: "Paul Ivice" ; Cc: Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni > The Merriam-Webster site also shows 4 different pronunciations of the > word: > > clanB7desB7tine adj > \klan-Kdes-tIn also -K tD+n or -K tDn or Kklan-dIs-\ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:19:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Tracklist for JMDL 2010 CD, njc I have the song titles but I don't have artists to go with the JMDL 2010 fundraiser CD. Does someone have a tracklist or cover art? Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:23:54 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni The Merriam-Webster site also shows 4 different pronunciations of the word: clanB7desB7tine adj \klan-Kdes-tIn also -K tD+n or -K tDn or Kklan-dIs-\ I believe the 'i' with the line over the top of it indicates the long form of the vowel which would make the first alternative pronunciation of the last syllable rhyme with the word wine. It does not, however, indicate any change in which syllable is accented. If I am remembering these symbols correctly, that would also make the 2nd alternative pronounced as 'teen'. I'm not sure what the final one with the \ representing the last syllable is. The "\" in the final one puts the emphasis on the first syllable in all pronunciations, instead of on the second syllable as it is in the other options. So you will notice, then, that even in the alternative pronunciation that gives the "long i," the emphasis is on the second syllable, and not the last as Joni phrases the word. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:33:58 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: how about best lines? On 19 September 2010 16:26, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > Now me: I could go on for about 10 years (and I have). > Jim L'Hommedieu in the end of summer > Not quite 10 years, Jim, but great reminders of why I'm here, Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:44:33 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? Like Jim, I could go on and on with couplets and verses that knock me over. But Mags, as she so often does, got me to thinking about this in a different perspective. From: "Mags"> it's the feelings that run side the lyrics, that's the stuff that kills me > every time, every single time I hear her songs, almost always like > listening > to them for the first time, which I suppose could be argued to be > true..because of whatever life has hurled your way....you've got that > stuff > under your belt and then some and then you go back to that place, that > lyric > and it has all sorts of new meaning to it. I couldn't agree with you more, Mags. There are certain lines, phrases, entire songs that have come to represent specific sea changes in my life. There are many others that are amazing in their beautiful craftsmanship and expression of feelings. But these particular bits are weighted with special significance for me: Things fall apart The center cannot hold Maybe more Yeats than Joni. But it was the forerunner for me of this: Tell me why do you starve the faithful? Why do you crucify the saints? And you let the wicked prosper You let their children frisk like deer And my loves are dead or dying Or they don't come near .......................................................................... Was it the sins of my youth? What have I done to you? That you make everything I dread And everything in fear come true Obviously 'Sire of Sorrow' has meaning for me that goes beyond the story of Job. But then sometime later the world opened up to me again and I realized that not everything I dread and everything I fear had or would come true. So many worse things happen to people than what I had experienced. Then along came this line which I'm not sure is original to Joni but it's the name of the song and it's in the song. So it is a Joni Mitchell lyric, in my mind, anyway: Happiness is the best facelift That one helped lift the gloom. It helped me give myself permission to love and be happy again. That's one of the many things I > love about Joni's songs. Her descriptors are spot on, and I love them, > ever > so. This is so true, Mags. Joni hits the mark like no-one else. And so many times she manages to hit it in an elegant way. There is a verse from 'Hejira' that has opened up to me since seeing 'The Fiddle and the Drum'. 'Hejira' is not part of the ballet but there is an image that pops up on the 'cyclops' of a burning candle super-imposed on a body of water that made me think of: In the church they light the candles And the wax rolls down like tears There is the hope and the hopeless I've witnessed all these years At first my mind latched on the 'hope and the hopeless' part of this verse in relation to the themes in 'The Fiddle and the Drum'. Then sometime later the sheer brilliance of the entire verse hit me. The image of burning candles with wax running down them like tears as a metaphor for the hope (light of the candles) and the hopelessness (the 'tears' of the dripping wax) had never occurred to me before. Sometimes I am awfully dense. And then in the ballet she put a candle in a pool of water as if it is coming close to being drowned/snuffed out. But the ballet had a lasting affect on me. I used to think the song 'The Fiddle and the Drum' was a on the heavy-handed, simplistic side and it was never a favorite. Now after seeing the images that illustrated it in the ballet, I have a whole new appreciation for the sheer power of that song. Thank you again, dear Mags, for jogging my tired old brain with the wonderful expression of your thoughts. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:18:10 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: how about best lines? I think Em, that you and Jim just illustrate the breadth of Joni's ability - from butterscotch sunshine to scum brown bowls! Anita x On 19 September 2010 17:50, Em wrote: > I've always been partial to "red water in the bathroom sink, fever in the scum brown bowl". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:53:02 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New article: I CAME UPON A CHILD OF GOD A new article has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Title: I CAME UPON A CHILD OF GOD Publication: The Metaphysical Review 28/29 Date: 1998.08.0 Read it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2270 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:28:42 +0000 (UTC) From: rflynn@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni I think you are mistaken, Paul. Turn your speakers on and click here: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=clandestine&submit=Submit - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ivice" To: "mark travis" , mark-leon@iinet.net.au Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 2:23:54 PM Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni The Merriam-Webster site also shows 4 different pronunciations of the word: clanB7desB7tine adj \klan-Kdes-tIn also -KtD+n or -KtDn or Kklan-dIs-\ I believe the 'i' with the line over the top of it indicates the long form of the vowel which would make the first alternative pronunciation of the last syllable rhyme with the word wine. It does not, however, indicate any change in which syllable is accented. If I am remembering these symbols correctly, that would also make the 2nd alternative pronounced as 'teen'. I'm not sure what the final one with the \ representing the last syllable is. The "\" in the final one puts the emphasis on the first syllable in all pronunciations, instead of on the second syllable as it is in the other options. So you will notice, then, that even in the alternative pronunciation that gives the "long i," the emphasis is on the second syllable, and not the last as Joni phrases the word. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:49:42 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New article: Ed Thrasher, 74, Album Designer, Dies A new article has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Title: Ed Thrasher, 74, Album Designer, Dies Publication: New York Times Date: 2006.08.24 Read it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2271 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:21:37 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Tracklist for JMDL 2010 CD, njc Here it is, Jim: Dear JMDL friends, Thanks to all of you, JoniMitchell.com will be around for another year for us all to enjoy. Les has done a jaw dropping job on maintaining and constantly refining what is surely the best artist website of them all and it is the least we can do to send him the price of a margarita pitcher once a year so it can be enjoyed by all. This year Robin and I thought it would be good to get some of the JMDL musicians involved so we'd have a little thank-you to send out to all the monetary contributors, and involved they indeed became. I have the honor of presenting a 15 song "album" of Joni covers created exclusively by JMDLers. And what jewels it contains! Here's the track list: 1. Winter Lady/Gary Z(ack) A lovely version with a strong Summer of Love vibe and period production. 2. The Priest/Randy Remote A great guitar/vocal version expertly recorded, showcasing Randy's killer voice. Randy is aka Corry Hanna, and he won't tell me which one is the stage name! 3. Woodstock/Anita Gabrielle & Dave King Guitars/bass and percussion behind Anita's pretty vocal and very nice backing vocals. There's also a very hip guitar solo in the middle. This tune is so malleable it is practically a blues, and Anita and Dave take it in yet another fresh direction. 4. Electricity/Danilo Monno Danilo had recorded a version of this one and put it up on Youtube some time ago but was eager to re record it in higher fidelity for this project. His guitar work and soft vocals with just a hint of his Italian accent make this a beauty. 5. The Crazy Cries of Love/William Waddell Our resident photography guru Willy the Shake submitted this relaxed funky version of one of Joni's later era tracks. Very nice vibe, mate. 6. A Strange Boy/Kay Ashley Specially recorded for this fundraiser, Kay sent me this soaring beautiful version of A Strange Boy. Her guitar work is sparkling (and makes me want to buy one of those Breedloves myself) and her voice is hauntingly lovely. She also let me mix this one so I have injected a bit of my own production vibe into the final result. 7. Blue Boy/Jack Neilson I never had the pleasure of meeting Jack before he passed away a couple of years back but Paz let me feel like I knew him through sending me this recording from PazFest 1. 8. Shades of Scarlet Conquering/Robin Adler & Dave Blackburn In looking for a new tune to cover that had not been done too many times, Robin and I settled upon this one. It plays really nice on guitar and I found myself overdubbing many finger-brushed guitars to get some of those gorgeous string parts in there. Robin sang beautifully as always and this one is now a part of our regular repertoire. 9. Cherokee Louise/Marian Russell Transcription guru #1, Marian let us hear this great rendition, recorded live at 2002 JoniFest. Was that at the Full Moon? 10. Moon at the Window/Sue Tierney (formerly MacNamara) Transcription guru #2, Sue played this at SoCal JoniFest last year and features her emotive vocals. Paz handed her his Roland VG99 to play, with the tuning already preset, and it takes her a moment to get used to this very non-acoustic feeling guitar, which makes the tune sound like it had come from Taming the Tiger. 11. Amelia/Michael Paz & Friends Paz and full band from Pazfest 1 give us this excellent version of Amelia, one of two submitted for this compilation. 12. Rainy Night House/Chuck Eisenhardt Chuck sent me this nice version of RNH that he had originally recorded to analog 8-track and now remixed for this set. I like the Procol Harum-ish organ and Lou Reed-ish vocal combination. Thanks Chuck! 13. Amelia/Victor Johnson Victor sends us the second Amelia submission featuring himself on guitars, vocals and fiddle. 14. Rainy Night House/Richard Flynn Richard's "field recording" of RNH gives us another angle on this mysterious address to Leonard Cohen. Thanks Richard. 15. Blue/Bob "Smurf" Murphy Another JMDLer no longer with us, Smurf here does the most comical send up of a sublime tune, one that could not possibly be followed by anything!! Thanks to Chuck E for submitting this one. So...that's it for this year. Thank you everybody for your participation in this little fundraiser idea. We can all be proud of reaching Les' goal with weeks to spare and of the talent among us. love Dave Blackburn > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim > L'Hommedieu > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 2:20 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Tracklist for JMDL 2010 CD, njc > > I have the song titles but I don't have artists to go with the JMDL > 2010 > fundraiser CD. Does someone have a tracklist or cover art? > > Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #279 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------