From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #276 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 17 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 276 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- njc of Crickets [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: njc of Crickets [Anita G ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Gmail ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [T Peckham ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [T Peckham ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Gerald Notaro ] re:TNT tribute dvd [joe farrell ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Moni Kellermann ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Catherine McKay ] Hejira songbook... anyone? [Les Irvin ] PS on the songbooks [Les Irvin ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [Anita G ] Re: PS on the songbooks [Anita G ] Re: Hejira songbook... anyone? [Anita G ] Re: PS on the songbooks [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc of Crickets now accents [T Peckham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:07:17 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: njc of Crickets Hi joni friends long time no veo (used to say this in HS) : - ) XOXO I believe that one MAIN thing needed in customer service is clear communication. It is very frustrating if you cannot comprehend the other person OR if they cannot understand what YOU are saying. there is sometimes a language barrier this is ridiculous It is just a way for the company to save money, I guess, (in personnel) to hire from another country. . yet it compromises services. no cricket for me <> Arkay Point taken. For what it's worth, I wasn't taking potshots at any particular race -- I worked in ESL all my life and always enjoyed being thrust into other cultures as part of the job -- and I also know wha it's like to be the only non-native speaer of a language in a large group of Russian, Japanese, Arab, etc. speakers. My point was not the race of the speakers, but the questionable wisdom of putting *all* customer service in the hands of people whose English is difficult to understand for many Americans . . (Walt) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:42:56 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: njc of Crickets > My point was not the race of the speakers, but the questionable wisdom of > putting *all* customer service in the hands of people whose English is > difficult to understand for many Americans . . (Walt) Over in the UK, my phone/broadband provider, BT, have their offices in India and I have never received better service. They really have been brilliant, although one I had one person once was a bit hard to understand. But then I have struggled to understand Texans and I know many, many people can't understand Geordies who live in Newcastle here in the UK. My Mother (who is Belgian and speaks French, Flemish, German and English) and has lived in the UK since 1947 has never ever been able to understand Geordies, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents The more you deal with people with particular accents, the easier it gets to understand them. I do remember the first time I ever had an encounter with someone with a heavy Indian accent: my Grade 12 chemistry teacher. First Indian person I ever met. Lovely lady, but itt took me a LONG time to understand her accent, although I can't necessarily use that as the excuse why I never did particularly well at chemistry. (I did pass though, miracle of miracles!) I remember her bringing in some wonderful treats for the class that were wrapped in silver paper that you could eat. I'm interested in accents. Lately I've been hearing a lot of very different ones, because the people immigrating here these days are from completely different countries than they were when I was a kid. What drives me crazy is mumblers, whether they have accents or not. I want to tell them to open their mouths and SING, dammit! What exactly is a Geordie? ________________________________ From: Anita G To: Marianne Rizzo Cc: joni list Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:42:56 PM Subject: Re: njc of Crickets > My point was not the race of the speakers, but the questionable wisdom of > putting *all* customer service in the hands of people whose English is > difficult to understand for many Americans . . (Walt) Over in the UK, my phone/broadband provider, BT, have their offices in India and I have never received better service. They really have been brilliant, although one I had one person once was a bit hard to understand. But then I have struggled to understand Texans and I know many, many people can't understand Geordies who live in Newcastle here in the UK. My Mother (who is Belgian and speaks French, Flemish, German and English) and has lived in the UK since 1947 has never ever been able to understand Geordies, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:39:55 +0100 From: Gmail Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents A Geordie is a person from the NorthEast of England, just under Scotland, who are their rivals, the Jocks. The Geordies have quite a distinct accent which is indecipherable, even by most of the English. If you want to hear a Geordie accent, albeit a light one, watch Billy Elliot the movie Sent from my iPhone On 16 Sep 2010, at 18:28, Catherine McKay wrote: > The more you deal with people with particular accents, the easier it gets to > understand them. I do remember the first time I ever had an encounter with > someone with a heavy Indian accent: my Grade 12 chemistry teacher. First > Indian person I ever met. Lovely lady, but itt took me a LONG time to > understand her accent, although I can't necessarily use that as the excuse why > I > never did particularly well at chemistry. (I did pass though, miracle of > miracles!) I remember her bringing in some wonderful treats for the class > that > were wrapped in silver paper that you could eat. > > I'm interested in > accents. Lately I've been hearing a lot of very different > ones, because the > people immigrating here these days are from completely > different countries > than they were when I was a kid. What drives me crazy is > mumblers, whether > they have accents or not. I want to tell them to open their > mouths and SING, > dammit! > > What exactly is a Geordie? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Anita G > To: Marianne Rizzo > > Cc: joni list > Sent: Thu, September > 16, 2010 12:42:56 PM > Subject: Re: njc of Crickets > >> My point was not the race > of the speakers, but the questionable wisdom of >> putting *all* customer > service in the hands of people whose English is >> difficult to understand for > many Americans . . (Walt) > > Over in the UK, my phone/broadband provider, BT, > have their offices in > India and I have never received better service. They > really have been > brilliant, although one I had one person once was a bit hard > to > understand. But then I have struggled to understand Texans and I know > many, > many people can't understand Geordies who live in Newcastle here > in the UK. My > Mother (who is Belgian and speaks French, Flemish, > German and English) and has > lived in the UK since 1947 has never ever > been able to understand Geordies, > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:44:22 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents I'm wondering about Geordie too. I'm thinking it refers to someone from a certain region of Scotland, perhaps? I'm with you on accents, Catherine. I miss the great variety I heard living in NYC. And I don't like mumblers in any language! I recall a website--I thought someone posted it here, but I could be wrong--that features native speakers of many languages, including Brit and American English, demonstrating regional accents/dialects and asking the viewer to identify where they're from. Or maybe it was a quiz of some sort. Anyway, I was surprised at how badly I did on it. Anyone recall that? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > I'm interested in > accents. Lately I've been hearing a lot of very different > ones, because the > people immigrating here these days are from completely > different countries > than they were when I was a kid. What drives me crazy is > mumblers, whether > they have accents or not. I want to tell them to open their > mouths and SING, > dammit! > > What exactly is a Geordie? > > > ________________________________ > From: > Anita G > But then I have struggled to understand Texans and I know > many, > many people can't understand Geordies who live in Newcastle here > in the UK. My > Mother (who is Belgian and speaks French, Flemish, > German and English) and has > lived in the UK since 1947 has never ever > been able to understand Geordies, > Anita > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:50:12 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents Thanks Jamie! You saved my obssessive self from googling it. ;-) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Gmail wrote: > A Geordie is a person from the NorthEast of England, just under Scotland, > who are their rivals, the Jocks. The Geordies have quite a distinct accent > which is indecipherable, even by most of the English. If you want to hear a > Geordie accent, albeit a light one, watch Billy Elliot the movie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16 Sep 2010, at 18:28, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > > I'm interested in > > accents. Lately I've been hearing a lot of very different > > ones, because the > > people immigrating here these days are from completely > > different countries > > than they were when I was a kid. What drives me crazy is > > mumblers, whether > > they have accents or not. I want to tell them to open their > > mouths and SING, > > dammit! > > > > What exactly is a Geordie? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:17:14 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents This accent comes up a lot on one of my Broadway lists. From what I understand, it isn't only the Americans who have trouble with it, but also many Brits. Isn't that the accent of the area where Billy Elliott takes place? I sat through half of Trainspotting before I knew what the hell they were talking about. Yet I can listen to 400 year old Shakespeare with no trouble :-) Jerry On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:44 PM, T Peckham wrote: > I'm wondering about Geordie too. I'm thinking it refers to someone from a > certain region of Scotland, perhaps? > > I'm with you on accents, Catherine. I miss the great variety I heard living > in NYC. And I don't like mumblers in any language! > > I recall a website--I thought someone posted it here, but I could be > wrong--that features native speakers of many languages, including Brit and > American English, demonstrating regional accents/dialects and asking the > viewer to identify where they're from. Or maybe it was a quiz of some sort. > Anyway, I was surprised at how badly I did on it. Anyone recall that? > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Catherine McKay >wrote: > > > > > I'm interested in > > accents. Lately I've been hearing a lot of very different > > ones, because the > > people immigrating here these days are from completely > > different countries > > than they were when I was a kid. What drives me crazy is > > mumblers, whether > > they have accents or not. I want to tell them to open their > > mouths and SING, > > dammit! > > > > What exactly is a Geordie? > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: > > Anita G > > But then I have struggled to understand Texans and I know > > many, > > many people can't understand Geordies who live in Newcastle here > > in the UK. My > > Mother (who is Belgian and speaks French, Flemish, > > German and English) and has > > lived in the UK since 1947 has never ever > > been able to understand Geordies, > > Anita > > > > > > -- > "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." > ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:36:39 +0100 From: joe farrell Subject: re:TNT tribute dvd does anybody know how i can get a copy of the TNT Joni tribute on dvd that will work in the UK. i don't want to buy this latest european limited release if it is a bootleg. i have the show on vhs but since tv transmission went digital here the video recorder doesn't work. i really love that show and would be more than happy to pay for a copy on dvd. can anybody help please. regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:45:15 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents Am 16.09.2010 20:44, Wie T Peckham so vortrefflich formulierte: > I recall a website--I thought someone posted it here, but I could be > wrong--that features native speakers of many languages, including Brit and > American English, demonstrating regional accents/dialects and asking the > viewer to identify where they're from. Or maybe it was a quiz of some sort. > Anyway, I was surprised at how badly I did on it. Anyone recall that? http://accent.gmu.edu/ moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents I remember that. I did badly as well. But, I also think the Canadian didn't even sound remotely Canadian*, which casts suspicion on the whole thing for me. But then, there is the possibility that none of us really knows what we sound like to others. *and then again, there are also regional accents. ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: Catherine McKay ; JMDL Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 2:44:22 PM Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents ... I recall a website--I thought someone posted it here, but I could be wrong--that features native speakers of many languages, including Brit and American English, demonstrating regional accents/dialects and asking the viewer to identify where they're from. Or maybe it was a quiz of some sort. Anyway, I was surprised at how badly I did on it. Anyone recall that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:08:24 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Hejira songbook... anyone? Joniphiles - A music collector contacted me yesterday informing me of some goods he recently acquired. Boxes of books from the publisher sitting in a warehouse unopened (as of a few days ago). Among these boxes were the Hissing of Summer Lawns songbook and the Hejira songbook! Untouched and unopened for the last 34 years. A quick check of eBay reveals that he has put both these items there. He has them priced at a starting bid of $3.98 (+$2.98 shipping), but it appears to be a 4-6 day auction with no "buy it now" option. So, we would all be competing with each other there and driving up the price if we wanted one. On the other hand... he has offered to sell them to me, but I have to buy a full box of 50 each to get a good price. So my question is - any interest out there?? To make it simple, I thought I'd offer one deal to you all - both books, shipping included (to the US) for $10. Here are the items in question: http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=47 http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=21 Please let me know if you might be interested asap so I know if there is enough interest to make the deal. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:46:40 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: PS on the songbooks These two books are being offered for $10 to JMDL members, and $12 to Facebook page members. So if it comes to pass... you know... keep it on the downlow with those Facebook types. : -) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:14:42 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents I don't know if you guys across the pond know Cheryl Cole? She is in the all female group Girls Aloud and also has a quite successful solo career these days. She is one of the panel on the show X Factor, which was the Simon Cowell follow on show from Idol. She's a Geordie (as Jamies rightly says, the folk from Newcastle - they pronounce it NewCassell). She's become a bit of a national treasure on X Factor, getting misty eyed and moved and also standing up to La Cowell rather wonderfully. I did read that X Factor was going to replace Idol in the US, and Cheryl was possibly going to be on the panel, but there was a lot of discussion about her accent and that the US audience wouldn't understand her. Shame, because she's a top bird Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:20:14 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: PS on the songbooks Facebook? What's that? Anita x On 16 September 2010 21:46, Les Irvin wrote: > These two books are being offered for $10 to JMDL members, and $12 to > Facebook page members. So if it comes to pass... you know... keep it on the > downlow with those Facebook types. : -) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:21:02 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Hejira songbook... anyone? Put me down please Les Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:34:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: PS on the songbooks Sigh. I know I have one of them, but I don't think I have both. At that price, even recognizing shipping to Canada would cost a bit more, I'll take one of each anyway. ________________________________ From: Les Irvin To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 4:46:40 PM Subject: PS on the songbooks These two books are being offered for $10 to JMDL members, and $12 to Facebook page members. So if it comes to pass... you know... keep it on the downlow with those Facebook types. : -) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:06:59 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: njc of Crickets now accents Ah, thank you very much, Moni! I think I'll give it another go. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Am 16.09.2010 20:44, Wie T Peckham so vortrefflich formulierte: > > I recall a website--I thought someone posted it here, but I could be >> wrong--that features native speakers of many languages, including Brit and >> American English, demonstrating regional accents/dialects and asking the >> viewer to identify where they're from. Or maybe it was a quiz of some >> sort. >> Anyway, I was surprised at how badly I did on it. Anyone recall that? >> > > > http://accent.gmu.edu/ > > > moni k. > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #276 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------