From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #261 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 2 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 261 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [Anita G ] KLCC Joni's Jazz Summer Solstice Special Part 3 [Bob Muller ] Re: Mutts video: Dry Cleaner [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [David Eoll ] Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [Em ] Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: a "great" singer [Ken ] Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [David Eoll ] Re: Facebook hack etc NJC [Catherine McKay ] Cloud illusions and affectations ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:27:29 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Having read Catherine's sensitive email to the list and Dave, I am appalled by my brief 'Sorry about your troubles and don't forget the Conker Cabin gig' contribution and feel the need to apologise for any seeming crassness. I often like to swiftly move into trying to make good out of bad, but it can make me seem insensitive. Sorry. Anita x On 1 September 2010 04:21, Catherine McKay wrote: > Dave, I'm truly sad to learn this has happened to you and to your friend. I find > it very disturbing and offensive that anyone would treat a fellow human that > way. The idea of anyone feeling that it's OK, or they have some kind of right to > take advantage of other people in that way really leaves me feeling that some > people really do suck, and I have to remind myself that, most likely, most > people do not. I had my home broken into once many years ago and I understand > your feeling of vulnerability. I wonder what we all can do to avoid this kind > of thing happening, while still remaining open to the possibility of meeting > some wonderful people, whether in the flesh or virtually, since it seems we're > all potential targets. > > I do hope this experience doesn't diminish the good times you are sure to have > in the UK and Denmark. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dave Blackburn > To: Jonilist Digest > Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:44:32 PM > Subject: Facebook hack etc NJC > > Dear Joni friends, > > I'm writing to let you know that my Facebook identity got hacked this weekend as > well as my private email account, diverting incoming emails to some hacker for a > couple of days. Facebook have shut down my account. What's worse is a friend of > mine fell for the scam, which claimed I was stranded in London and had been > mugged. My friend, unaware of the scam, thought he was rushing to my aid and > sent the scammer hundreds of dollars only to realize he'd been scammed. I guess > I broadcast on Facebook that Robin and I were headed to England this week and > the scammer used that fact to create a plausible cry for help. > > So, I won't be posting pics of our trip on Facebook unfortunately and may not > sign back on to FB again as the whole experience has left me feeling pretty > vulnerable. If you need to reach me you have my email. We'll be having minifests > along the way in the UK and Denmark, seeing Anita, Chris, Les, Lucy, Jeff > Hankins, Bene, Henning and Christina and playing lots of Joni music. Talk to you > all later. > > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 03:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: KLCC Joni's Jazz Summer Solstice Special Part 3 Here's Part 3 (and final) - enjoy! http://tinyurl.com/28gawpp Thanks again David for another fine show. Bob NP: Charlie, "Don't Look Back" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 03:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC It didn't come across that way to me at all, Anita, and I'm sure it didn't to anyone else - at least, no one who knows what a kind and thoughtful soul you are. The fact that you can make good out of bad is a wonderful thing. For my part, when I hear about something like that happening, I generally get very angry. I think I'd prefer to be like you! ________________________________ From: Anita G To: Catherine McKay Cc: Dave Blackburn ; Jonilist Digest Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 4:27:29 AM Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Having read Catherine's sensitive email to the list and Dave, I am appalled by my brief 'Sorry about your troubles and don't forget the Conker Cabin gig' contribution and feel the need to apologise for any seeming crassness. I often like to swiftly move into trying to make good out of bad, but it can make me seem insensitive. Sorry. Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:06:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Mutts video: Dry Cleaner Thanks for that, Dave - a great performance from everyone. Especially enjoyed the Robin-bass duel and your James Brown/EWF funk licks. Bob NP: Jane's Addiction, "To Match The Sun" Dave Blackburn Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 08/31/2010 05:50 PM Please respond to Dave Blackburn To Jonilist Digest cc Subject Mutts video: Dry Cleaner Dear listers, Just got the first of several HD videos from our CD release concert up on Youtube. You can select 720p for HD, 1080p also but a bit too much data for standard DSL lines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3u2WZl76Zo Hope you dig... dave - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:19:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Well, there are some common-sense things that we should do, and most of us probably do. Locking houses and cars, changing passwords intermittently, things like that. The street I live on has been a target for thefts as it borders on a poorer community. It amazes me that so many of my neighbors have had their cars pilfered, and then admit that it had been left unlocked! My Paypal account was hacked a couple of years ago - some guy in Nigeria used it to buy a $2,500.00 piece of electronics on Ebay; fortunately the seller knew better than to ship the item to the redirected address in Nigeria, and Paypal fully refunded the money. Sadly, things like identity theft and terrorist acts can't be totally prevented. People with evil in mind will find a way to perpetrate it. I mean, who wants to live in a bunker their whole lives, never making any contacts or living life? Certainly not me. Having said that, the most dangerous thing we do every day is drive a car, and that doesn't strike a lot of fear into anyone...unless you're driving in Atlanta. Bob NP: Tears For Fears, "Famous Last Words" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:22:26 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Dave, I am one of the people the hacker contacted. I guess this is one instance that the fact that I've been flat broke lately (I've got problems of my own) was a blessing in disguise. Because I totally would've helped you. Well, glad you weren't mugged at least, and glad I didn't get ripped off. God works in mysterious ways sometimes. Sorry that your account was stolen, and sorry your other friend got taken, though. Peace, David PS Should I contact FB or the authorities about my side of this? > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Facebook hack etc NJC > > Dear Joni friends, > > I'm writing to let you know that my Facebook identity got hacked this weekend as well as my private email account, diverting incoming emails to some hacker for a couple of days. Facebook have shut down my account. What's worse is a friend of mine fell for the scam, which claimed I was stranded in London and had been mugged. My friend, unaware of the scam, thought he was rushing to my aid and sent the scammer hundreds of dollars only to realize he'd been scammed. I guess I broadcast on Facebook that Robin and I were headed to England this week and the scammer used that fact to create a plausible cry for help. > > So, I won't be posting pics of our trip on Facebook unfortunately and may not sign back on to FB again as the whole experience has left me feeling pretty vulnerable. If you need to reach me you have my email. We'll be having minifests along the way in the UK and Denmark, seeing Anita, Chris, Les, Lucy, Jeff Hankins, Bene, Henning and Christina and playing lots of Joni music. Talk to you all later. > > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:58:17 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Dear all, Your responses are overwhelmingly kind with regard to this nasty affair. To think that several of you were prepared to help out a stranger with nothing but a common Joni Mitchell bond to connect us moves me beyond words. Please know that I am eternally grateful for the friendship and brotherhood that this implies, and grateful too that you didn't actually get taken by the scammer. My friend who did tells me the scammer then tried him again for even more money, by which time he knew he'd been scammed. The person then taunted my friend with "sucker" on his own blog. You can imagine the sense of emptiness he feels plummeting from the feeling that he was helping a friend in need to being publicly ridiculed for being a sucker in the space of one day. He too has left Facebook and has had his opinion of humanity degraded another few ticks. Off to the UK today for real. If I do in fact get mugged and robbed, I'll handle it....;-) cheers to all, Dave On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:22 AM, David Eoll wrote: > Dave, > > I am one of the people the hacker contacted. I guess this is one instance that the fact that I've been flat broke lately (I've got problems of my own) was a blessing in disguise. Because I totally would've helped you. Well, glad you weren't mugged at least, and glad I didn't get ripped off. God works in mysterious ways sometimes. Sorry that your account was stolen, and sorry your other friend got taken, though. > > Peace, > David > > PS Should I contact FB or the authorities about my side of this? > >> From: Dave Blackburn >> Subject: Facebook hack etc NJC >> Dear Joni friends, >> I'm writing to let you know that my Facebook identity got hacked this weekend as well as my private email account, diverting incoming emails to some hacker for a couple of days. Facebook have shut down my account. What's worse is a friend of mine fell for the scam, which claimed I was stranded in London and had been mugged. My friend, unaware of the scam, thought he was rushing to my aid and sent the scammer hundreds of dollars only to realize he'd been scammed. I guess I broadcast on Facebook that Robin and I were headed to England this week and the scammer used that fact to create a plausible cry for help. >> So, I won't be posting pics of our trip on Facebook unfortunately and may not sign back on to FB again as the whole experience has left me feeling pretty vulnerable. If you need to reach me you have my email. We'll be having minifests along the way in the UK and Denmark, seeing Anita, Chris, Les, Lucy, Jeff Hankins, Bene, Henning and Christina and playing lots of Joni music. Talk to you all later. >> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC One time I stupidly purchased about $80 of so-called heath supplements because it seemed someone I regard pretty highly had posted on Facebook how great this stuff was. Turns out he hadn't posted it at all. And after the fact, if I thought about it - really, this person would never have posted about this kind of thing. I was a dumb "fish" and got hooked. Ended up closing my ATM card out and had to wait to get a new one. VERY inconvenient - but in the end, my own stupid fault. Dave, so sorry that happened.... Em ps: have a GREAT weekend - you all on that side of the pond, as well those traveling to New Orleans for Pazfest. - --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Dave Blackburn wrote: From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC To: "David Eoll" , "Mags" , "Jonilist Digest" , "Catherine McKay" , "Anita G" Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:58 AM Dear all, Your responses are overwhelmingly kind with regard to this nasty affair. To think that several of you were prepared to help out a stranger with nothing but a common Joni Mitchell bond to connect us moves me beyond words. Please know that I am eternally grateful for the friendship and brotherhood that this implies, and grateful too that you didn't actually get taken by the scammer. My friend who did tells me the scammer then tried him again for even more money, by which time he knew he'd been scammed. The person then taunted my friend with "sucker" on his own blog. You can imagine the sense of emptiness he feels plummeting from the feeling that he was helping a friend in need to being publicly ridiculed for being a sucker in the space of one day. He too has left Facebook and has had his opinion of humanity degraded another few ticks. Off to the UK today for real. If I do in fact get mugged and robbed, I'll handle it....;-) cheers to all, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:11:25 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Dave's experience illustrates why it's generally better to post on Facebook about your adventures/vacations AFTER you're back home. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:57:23 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: a "great" singer Regarding Joni's comments during a past interview: From: Paul Castle Subject: Cloud illusions and affectations It always seemed to me that great singer - now we're talking about excellence, not popularity - but a great singer would sing closer to his or her own speaking voice." I really found this phrase particularly interesting since I think we all agree there are many "great" singers (or songwriters) that are not necessarily "popular," mostly because they refuse to conform to a current trend or sound, but still maintain a devout (albeit smaller) fan base. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:30:58 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Seems like Facebook should have an electronic record of where "you" logged in from. "Where", as in, "what IP address". If this guy wasn't careful enough covering his tracks, he could be tracked down. Did you let FB know what happened? Or the authorities? I started to have a inkling that something was wrong when, after I said I couldn't help "you" financially, I kept offering to call someone on "your" behalf. Since "your" cellphone had been stolen, right? You declined my repeated offers, which I thought was odd. If it had been me that had been mugged and I had no way of making phone calls, I would've asked someone to call my family for me. Y'know? Then you defriended me! And I was like, Wha? Now it makes sense. He knew I was about to blow his cover story. Peace, David Dave Blackburn wrote: > Dear all, > > Your responses are overwhelmingly kind with regard to this nasty affair. To think that several of you were prepared to help out a stranger with nothing but a common Joni Mitchell bond to connect us moves me beyond words. Please know that I am eternally grateful for the friendship and brotherhood that this implies, and grateful too that you didn't actually get taken by the scammer. My friend who did tells me the scammer then tried him again for even more money, by which time he knew he'd been scammed. The person then taunted my friend with "sucker" on his own blog. You can imagine the sense of emptiness he feels plummeting from the feeling that he was helping a friend in need to being publicly ridiculed for being a sucker in the space of one day. He too has left Facebook and has had his opinion of humanity degraded another few ticks. > > Off to the UK today for real. If I do in fact get mugged and robbed, I'll handle it....;-) > > cheers to all, > > Dave > > On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:22 AM, David Eoll wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> I am one of the people the hacker contacted. I guess this is one instance that the fact that I've been flat broke lately (I've got problems of my own) was a blessing in disguise. Because I totally would've helped you. Well, glad you weren't mugged at least, and glad I didn't get ripped off. God works in mysterious ways sometimes. Sorry that your account was stolen, and sorry your other friend got taken, though. >> >> Peace, >> David >> >> PS Should I contact FB or the authorities about my side of this? >> >>> From: Dave Blackburn >>> Subject: Facebook hack etc NJC >>> Dear Joni friends, >>> I'm writing to let you know that my Facebook identity got hacked this weekend as well as my private email account, diverting incoming emails to some hacker for a couple of days. Facebook have shut down my account. What's worse is a friend of mine fell for the scam, which claimed I was stranded in London and had been mugged. My friend, unaware of the scam, thought he was rushing to my aid and sent the scammer hundreds of dollars only to realize he'd been scammed. I guess I broadcast on Facebook that Robin and I were headed to England this week and the scammer used that fact to create a plausible cry for help. >>> So, I won't be posting pics of our trip on Facebook unfortunately and may not sign back on to FB again as the whole experience has left me feeling pretty vulnerable. If you need to reach me you have my email. We'll be having minifests along the way in the UK and Denmark, seeing Anita, Chris, Les, Lucy, Jeff Hankins, Bene, Henning and Christina and playing lots of Joni music. Talk to you all later. >>> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:33:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC What a dick. Instant Karma's gonna get him. To: Dave Blackburn Cc: Mags ; Jonilist Digest ; Catherine McKay ; Anita G Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 6:30:58 PM Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC Seems like Facebook should have an electronic record of where "you" logged in from. "Where", as in, "what IP address". If this guy wasn't careful enough covering his tracks, he could be tracked down. Did you let FB know what happened? Or the authorities? I started to have a inkling that something was wrong when, after I said I couldn't help "you" financially, I kept offering to call someone on "your" behalf. Since "your" cellphone had been stolen, right? You declined my repeated offers, which I thought was odd. If it had been me that had been mugged and I had no way of making phone calls, I would've asked someone to call my family for me. Y'know? Then you defriended me! And I was like, Wha? Now it makes sense. He knew I was about to blow his cover story. Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:01:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Cloud illusions and affectations Joni said in part, >>They had a way of affecting vowel sounds so that when they sang together, they would sing like a unit.>> Paul C asked, >Anyone else hear any of the CSN&Y 'affected' vowel sounds?> I had not noticed this until I read the article (way back when). Here's what I think I hear: sustained vowels in these places... >>In a Bleecker Street cafe, found someone to love to-day-eeeee. >>I met you on a midway at a fair la-aaa-st year. >>... in a black maaaaaan's ear. >>when I first saw your gaaaalery... >>Songs to aging children cooooooome But that stuff doesn't bother me. To me, that just sounds like a songwriter fitting her syllables to the available music: perfectly normal song making. What bothers me about "Clouds" is that high range that she uses. To my ear it sounds a bit like Ian and Sylvia, especially the cloying, double-tracked vocal on "The Gallery" and "Songs To Aging Children". It's somehow one dimensional, like fake sincerity. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:33:26 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Facebook hack etc NJC > Seems like Facebook should have an electronic record of where "you" > logged in from. "Where", as in, "what IP address". I think FB does have such a thing. I seem to remember having to jump through some virtual hoops to log into my FB account from a computer that I don't normally use. A decent hacker, though, can probably break right through that sort of thing. S/he might even work for FB. Who knows these days? Lori Santa Rosa, CA www.facebook.com/lrfye ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #261 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------