From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 3 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 229 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Voyage of The Dawn Treader [Mark-Leon Thorne ] mama cass, joni and mary [Oddmund Kaarevik ] NJC how to pronounce Baez [B Lux ] An interesting project [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Joni on Twitter - Discographies ["Robert Sartorius" ] Re: Mitch Miller - njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Mitch Miller - njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Mitch Miller - njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Mitch Miller - njc [] Re: Mitch Miller - njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Mitch Miller - njc [Lori Fye ] Re: What stands up / what doesn't ["Randy Remote" ] RE: Mitch Miller - njc--well Slight JC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Mitch Miller - njc--well Slight JC [Gerald Notaro Subject: The Voyage of The Dawn Treader Hello all. This may be old news to most but, I've just discovered that the movie of C.S. Lewis' third book in the Narnia series, The Voyage of The Dawn Treader is now in post-production at Warner Roadshow Studios on the Gold Coast, Queensland. It is being financed and distributed by Fox after Disney pulled out. According to Wikipedia, they have built a full sized ship (The Dawn Treader) on a peninsular so they can capture all angles and lighting from 360 degrees. Not having read any of the Narnia series, I only know the storyline from Wikipedia's synopsis. It also says that this was the most popular of all of them. There was a mention here before of the connection between Joni's song and the novel but, nobody dove too far into that discussion (unless I missed it) and I was wondering if anybody who has read it, might throw some light on Joni's lyrics as far as how they connect with the book. Mark up the road from Melissa (keep warm, girl) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:21:32 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: mama cass, joni and mary i found this on youtube today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aYAUE6is7I i think its truly wonderful! mama cass, mary and joni singing i shall be released. they look so beautiful and they are so talented o what joy best oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:21:39 +0200 From: B Lux Subject: NJC how to pronounce Baez Hey there, thanks for the responses to my query about Joan Baez! I thought the correct answer was "Baze"; and someone on the internet quotes her book for saying that it rhymnes with "maze" - but I found the correct quotation, and in fact she says it is more like "Bize": "I gave Time a long-winded explanation of the pronunciation of my name which came out wrong, was printed wrong in Time magazine, and has been pronounced wrong ever since. It's not "Buy-ezz"; it's more like "Bize," but never mind. The French pronounce it "Bayz," which (phonetically speaking) is the present tense of the verb baiser, which in slang means "to fornicate." " - -- And a voice to sing with, p. 45. - --What she says about french pronunciation is not true. Perhaps they say "bayz" in Canada, but the French have a vowel here that doesn't exist in English, so bayz is actually English rendering of a different French sound. But enough about that! Best Bene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:04:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: An interesting project Saw this today on CDBaby....a jazz album called "She Dreams Of 747's", but it's not a cover of Amelia, rather the songs take their titles and inspiration from the song. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/cpdougherty Speaking of covers, I'm working on #127 and hope to have it posted later today. Bob NP: Joni, "California" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:47:28 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Joni on Twitter - Discographies melissa posted from the Twitter discography site "And now for the Joni content: Joni Mitchell: 1-5 many bad boyfriends, many chords; 6-9,16 Jazz Odyssey!; 10-13 "take that, Rickie Lee Jones!"; 14-15 quietly enjoyable." Kind of cute, IMO. However, plainly off target re the positioning of Mingus and TTT (and misses Shine - and, arguably, BSN and Travelogue, which were studio albums but not original). Mingus has to be in Jazz Odyssey, no? (C&S was a transition - 1st side old style, 2nd side moving forward). Not sure about the Rickie Lee reference. How about this edit? Joni Mitchell: 1-5 many bad boyfriends, many chords; 6-10 Jazz Odyssey!; 11-13 "80s phases" - love and hate; 14-17 quietly stimulating." This ignores the 'classical gas' phase of BSN/Travelogue (the latter a personal favorite). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:25:43 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: What stands up / what doesn't Hi Jim: I love what Paz said about this and I wish I was at that late night jam (moody blues, ahh) ... maybe a reprise at Pazfest? :) I'm guilty of being one of those people who only read the Joni sections of "Girls Like Us." (actually I'm still reading it). I have great respect for Carole King and Carly Simon, but I just don't go out of my way to listen to them. Although, our band plays the "JLo" version of You Belong to Me and they are always picking on me because I sing it like the Carly version. Oy! I'm Your Captain!!! C'mon Jim!! Don't take away all my junior high dance memories!! :) I'm a cheesy prog rock fan ... Give me Tarkus or give me death!! :) Take care, Sue NP: Renaissance - Running Hard ================================================================= From: Jim L'Hommedieu Subject: What stands up / what doesn't To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 10:37 PM What stands up to repeated listening after all these years? Stands up: Joni Doesn't stand up: Carole Stands up: Led Zeppelin Doesn't stand up: Grand Funk Railroad Stands up: Yes Doesn't stand up: Emerson, Lake and Palmer I still listen to all of these but I shake my head sometimes. Jim L'Hommedieu ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:34:40 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Mitch Miller - njc Rest in peace. 99 years old. I loved his television show as a young un'. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:50:39 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc No disrespect to Mitch Miller (I would have bet $100 that he died a long time ago actually) but I never liked that "Sing Along With Mitch" sound of scads of male voices ALL singing melody. My friends have a MM Christmas record and it's one of the worst things I've ever been subjected to. When we get together over the holidays she always plays it just to spite me. I didn't know he had his own TV show. You really are old. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "A Town Called "Big Nothing" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:05:04 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc Sing Along With Mitch was a top rated television show between 1961 and 1966. Though well known for cheese, he was also the man who first singed both Aretha Franklin and Bob Dylan. Jerry On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:50 PM, wrote: > > No disrespect to Mitch Miller (I would have bet $100 that he died a long > time ago actually) but I never liked that "Sing Along With Mitch" sound of > scads of male voices ALL singing melody. My friends have a MM Christmas > record and it's one of the worst things I've ever been subjected to. When we > get together over the holidays she always plays it just to spite me. > > I didn't know he had his own TV show. You really are old. > > Bob > > NP: Elvis Costello, "A Town Called "Big Nothing" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:26:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc Oh, for sure he was popular - he sold a bajillion records. My parents probably had 1 or 2 at the time. I suppose he was the American equvalent of James Last. At least James did a Joni cover, Mitch never did. Bob NP: World Party, "Hollywood" Gerald Notaro 08/02/2010 02:05 PM To Bob.Muller@fluor.com cc Joni List Subject Re: Mitch Miller - njc Sing Along With Mitch was a top rated television show between 1961 and 1966. Though well known for cheese, he was also the man who first singed both Aretha Franklin and Bob Dylan. Jerry On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:50 PM, wrote: No disrespect to Mitch Miller (I would have bet $100 that he died a long time ago actually) but I never liked that "Sing Along With Mitch" sound of scads of male voices ALL singing melody. My friends have a MM Christmas record and it's one of the worst things I've ever been subjected to. When we get together over the holidays she always plays it just to spite me. I didn't know he had his own TV show. You really are old. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "A Town Called "Big Nothing" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:48:31 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc dad would work late on Friday and we'd sit around the TV and watch Mitch. The first record plae we got, dad bought two Mitch Miller albums. Brian W - ---- Gerald Notaro wrote: > Rest in peace. 99 years old. > I loved his television show as a young un'. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:10:13 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc Holy shit! He was still here after all these years. We use to watch him at my house. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 2, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Gerald Notaro wrote: Rest in peace. 99 years old. I loved his television show as a young un'. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:41:35 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc We had at least two "Sing Along with Mitch" albums when I was very young. I remember them well: they were gatefold albums and had tear out song sheets. Seems like one of them was a Christmas album. Wasn't Mitch reported to have had an affair with Leslie Uggams in the way back? That caused a stir, I'm sure! Lori Santa Rosa, CA NPIMH: "Ida, sweet as apple cider ..." (My mom's name was Ida, so this was a particularly favorite MM song in our house.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:08:32 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: What stands up / what doesn't I think it really depends on the album, in every case. ELP: Trilogy stands, Love Beach doesn't Yes: Close to The Edge stands, Tormato, not s'much Joni: Hejira, Blue, etc etc stand/DED a chore to sit through A percentage stat of overall work would maybe be more relevant. Beatles 95 percent Joni 83? percent Dylan 79 percent Neil Diamond .05 percent and so on. I guess it's all arguing over the taste of brocolli. RR From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > What stands up to repeated listening after all these years? > Stands up: Joni > Doesn't stand up: Carole > Stands up: Led Zeppelin > Doesn't stand up: Grand Funk Railroad > Stands up: Yes > Doesn't stand up: Emerson, Lake and Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:18:09 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Mitch Miller - njc--well Slight JC I'm that old, too. Not to speak ill of the dead, but John Hammond signed Dylan and Miller hated it. Hammond also signed Aretha and Mitch Miller conspired to ruin her career (Thank God she found Atlantic and Jerry Wexler!) He was responsible for the nadir of Frank Sinatra's recording career, as well, which sent Sinatra to Capitol where his confidence was restored. Sinatra went on to start Reprise. So without Miller's alienation of Sinatra, we might not have had STAS! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Gerald Notaro > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:05 PM > To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com > Cc: Joni List > Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc > > Sing Along With Mitch was a top rated television show between 1961 and > 1966. > Though well known for cheese, he was also the man who first singed both > Aretha Franklin and Bob Dylan. > > Jerry > > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:50 PM, wrote: > > > > > No disrespect to Mitch Miller (I would have bet $100 that he died a > long > > time ago actually) but I never liked that "Sing Along With Mitch" > sound of > > scads of male voices ALL singing melody. My friends have a MM > Christmas > > record and it's one of the worst things I've ever been subjected to. > When we > > get together over the holidays she always plays it just to spite me. > > > > I didn't know he had his own TV show. You really are old. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Elvis Costello, "A Town Called "Big Nothing" > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 00:29:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: What stands up / what doesn't Jethro Tull's 2nd album definitely "stands up"! Baadump!!!! Sent from Comcast mobile - -----Original Message----- From: Randy Remote To: joni Sent: 2010-08-02 20:15:29 -0400 Subject: Re: What stands up / what doesn't I think it really depends on the album, in every case. ELP: Trilogy stands, Love Beach doesn't Yes: Close to The Edge stands, Tormato, not s'much Joni: Hejira, Blue, etc etc stand/DED a chore to sit through A percentage stat of overall work would maybe be more relevant. Beatles 95 percent Joni 83? percent Dylan 79 percent Neil Diamond .05 percent and so on. I guess it's all arguing over the taste of brocolli. RR From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > What stands up to repeated listening after all these years? > Stands up: Joni > Doesn't stand up: Carole > Stands up: Led Zeppelin > Doesn't stand up: Grand Funk Railroad > Stands up: Yes > Doesn't stand up: Emerson, Lake and Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:30:21 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc--well Slight JC I happen to love Aretha's Columbia recordings! I have them all. Jerry On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > I'm that old, too. Not to speak ill of the dead, but John Hammond signed > Dylan and Miller hated it. Hammond also signed Aretha and Mitch Miller > conspired to ruin her career (Thank God she found Atlantic and Jerry > Wexler!) He was responsible for the nadir of Frank Sinatra's recording > career, as well, which sent Sinatra to Capitol where his confidence was > restored. Sinatra went on to start Reprise. So without Miller's alienation > of Sinatra, we might not have had STAS! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > > Gerald Notaro > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:05 PM > > To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com > > Cc: Joni List > > Subject: Re: Mitch Miller - njc > > > > Sing Along With Mitch was a top rated television show between 1961 and > > 1966. > > Though well known for cheese, he was also the man who first singed both > > Aretha Franklin and Bob Dylan. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:50 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > > No disrespect to Mitch Miller (I would have bet $100 that he died a > > long > > > time ago actually) but I never liked that "Sing Along With Mitch" > > sound of > > > scads of male voices ALL singing melody. My friends have a MM > > Christmas > > > record and it's one of the worst things I've ever been subjected to. > > When we > > > get together over the holidays she always plays it just to spite me. > > > > > > I didn't know he had his own TV show. You really are old. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > NP: Elvis Costello, "A Town Called "Big Nothing" > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > > > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > > > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > > > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > > > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > > > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 127 - the gusher they can't cap And here we are in August, looks like they've finally capped the oil spill in the Gulf but there doesn't seem to be any way to cap the flow of Joni Mitchell covers; they keep gushing out from all over! This month we feature another solid collection of outstanding tracks from artists professional and amateur around the globe. Here's a link to download them: http://tinyurl.com/2ea2f6p And here's what you get: 1. Renzo Jazz (Chelmsford, Essex, United Kingdom) - I Had A King: The party kicks off with this nice saxophone-driven instrumental version, also works for karaoke! And while they pretty much play it by melody, there is some nice soloing as well. 2. Fabiana Martone (Benevento, Italy) - All I Want 3. Fabiana Martone - Woodstock 4. Fabiana Martone - Help Me 5. Fabiana Martone - Twisted: Here is a GREAT 4-song mini-concert from Fabiana's 2009 release "Flowers" and all 4 tracks are fun, wonderful, bouncy and enjoyable. Fabiana's voice is great, but what makes these tracks click for me is the FABULOUS keyboard work of Piero De Asmundis who plays in a Brubeck-like style. Really wonderful stuff. Almost every track features a nice piano solo. 6. Michaela Danielle - Blue 7. Michaela Danielle - Real Good For Free: What better to follow a mini-tribute than another one? I really like her voice; settles easy on the ear, not a lot of vibrato or screechiness even on the uber-high notes. She mimics most of Joni's affectations, but it's hard not to I would think after hearing Joni's version for decades. These are both piano-voice duets and both are worth your time - she makes Blue sound like it's easy to sing and I wouldn't think that it is. 8. Joanne Vallance (United Kingdom) - Big Yellow Taxi: Well, this one is certainly out of the box. A strikingly different arrangement with electronica synthsesized backing. Not my genre, but I'm delighted that someone took a different tack in recording this one. 9. Kate Chapman - Both Sides Now 10. Kate Chapman - Woodstock: Another two-fer, this time courtesy of Kate Chapman, covering two of the most popular Joni songs (#1 and 3 respectively). They are almost note-for-note like Joni's versions, so she loses some points for creativity but she does have a pleasant voice and does a nice job with them. She does add some distant harmonics to BSN so she mixes it up a little. 11. Yitsak (Burbank, California) - Little Green: This is of course a poignant pretty song to begin with, and this is a particularly touching version. Not typical to hear a soft tenor voice on this one, and it works in every way. Hits all the right emotional feeling along with all of the notes. 12. Pat Surface & The Boundary Water Boys - The Circle Game: OK, so I'm pretty sick of this song BUT I can always a nice arrangement, harmonies and instrumentation and all of those factors are at play here. Pat and the boys are an acoustic folk group from Minnesota and this comes from their 2009 release. 13. Smoothies (Hovedstaden, Denmark) - Big Yellow Taxi: The vocals are a little pitchy at times, and the tempo is a bit slower than usual. This one is OK. 14. Katiecat - Both Sides Now: Katiecat is actually named Katie Catinella, she's a West Coast jazz singer and this lovely take on the franchise comes from her 2009 album "Blue Cat Diamonds". 15. Jasmin Hagemann Quartett (Enschede (Netherlands), Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany) - River: 16. Jasmin Hagemann Quartett - In France They Kiss On Main Street: Flea-like funky plunked bass highlights these two jazzy covers. The singer is working outside of her native tongue so there are some minor missteps but no matter. The tracks have a real live feel and lots of energy, and the electric piano gets in some good solos. Check out the vigorous drum work too while you're at it. 17. Defrenchy Duo (United Kingdom) - Big Yellow Taxi: Probably the weakest track on the disc, but I do like her voice, she's got good energy and the guitar work is solid too. 18. David Chaulk - Both Sides Now: Another instrumental, a trombone-driven horn-heavy version. A creative arrangement and a talented band, David plays some melody but wanders off to solo as well. 19. Liza Wallace - Blue: Such a pretty song, and this is a lovely arrangement for voice and harp. Liza's voice nails the song in a very plain and unexaggerated way. And there you have it; another collection of Joni covers - all of these are fresh and new from 2009 and 2010. Hope you like them, hope you like some of them. I'd love to hear what you think. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Shake Shake Mama" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #229 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------