From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 19 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 214 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Thanks, and the one that makes me cry [Barry Swimar ] Tim robbins - Desert island discs [clive sax ] Tim Robbins chooses A Case of You [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Questions for musicians [Catherine McKay ] Re: Questions for musicians [Anita G ] thirtysomething & Joni Mentions [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: thirtysomething & Joni Mentions [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Barry Swimar Subject: Thanks, and the one that makes me cry Thanks for the thoughtful and welcoming responses to my questions. I've been thinking about having neglected the bassists and I'm sorry. It strikes me that the bass is very much like the human heartbeat, so vital and so easy to forget. Willy is the song that can most easily bring me to tears, I change the word "lady" to "lover" but not so much because it is a song about loss but because JM implores feeling, no matter what and in all its complication--this is perhaps her greatest gift to me. BYT makes me and my guitar happy, but I never sing the words. Thanks again, Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:05:40 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Questions for musicians Hi Barry, What a great first question. While not a musician, per se, I do play guitar and sing so I thought I'd chime in. My favourite song to play on guitar is 'Don't Interrupt The Sorrow' which possibly because of the movement in it, plays so sexily and makes me feel like a proper guitarist. I kinda like my version of My Secret Place (which I know isn't the easiest to play but I kinda transcribed it from the music book and made up a few chords from my pedestrian knowledge of chord structure and what was transcribed on the songbook. See jonimitchell.com) Woman of Heart And Mind comes third. I love the guitar melody in it. The easiest? Well, probably 'You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio) as it was the first song of hers I learned in open tuning and I'd never heard of people open tuning guitars before that. And it was transcribed in the 'Anthology of JM' (you know the buff coloured book) as open tuning. At the time it was the only song I knew that was. Makes me cry? Amelia. Halfway through. Or Hejira, in the third verse. I dunno. It depends. I have cried during those sections but perhaps once and if I'm alone. I was singing Both Sides Now (2000) version in a private karaoke bar and to be surrounded by friends and THAT orchestra with the horn coming through. Now THAT made me cry. Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 16 July 2010 18:20, Barry Swimar wrote: > Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have some questions for you > guitarists out there--replies from pianists, dulcimerists, oboeists, > skeptics and zebras also invited: > What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? > What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play? > Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? > Oh, and did I mention how important this list is to me? > BG > - -- Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Facebook: http://tinyurl.com/yapqx3j Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://www.voices.com/people/jamiezooby acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/965489410181 agent: http://www.pelhamassociates.co.uk 01273 323 010 Website: http://www.jamiezubairi.com Randomly Related Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:17:29 +0100 From: clive sax Subject: Tim robbins - Desert island discs This morning on BBC Radio 4 Tim Robbins was guesting. One of his song choices was a case of you. Great in itself. But come the end of the show the guests are always asked if there was a raging storm and they could only save one disc which disc would it be. For Tim it was a choice between Joni's A Case of you and Marvin Gaye's Let's get it on....Of course we all know the song he chose :0) Best wishes to all Clive > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:00:13 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #213 > > > JMDL Digest Sunday, July 18 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 213 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > "Blue" in "The Kids Are All RIght" [Norm Gregory Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms NJC [Mark-Leon Thorne Questions for musicians ["Kate Bennett" ] > Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms [Catherine McKay Re: "Blue" in "The Kids Are All RIght" now clips from the sound track [M] > Re: Questions for musicians [Monika Bogdanowicz ] > Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms ["Mark" ] > Re: Questions for musicians (and Hi, Barry) [Walt Breen Laurel Canyon and other snippets ["Jim L'Hommedieu" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:04:31 -0700 > From: Norm Gregory > Subject: "Blue" in "The Kids Are All RIght" > > In the new movie, "The Kids Are All Right" there is the best incorporation > of music into a movie scene that I can recall. It is based on Joni > Mitchell's "Blue." We don't hear Joni. All we see is the "Blue" album > cover; all we hear is Mark Ruffalo's and Annette Bening's characters singing > / harmonizing a cappella at the dinner table. It's a scene I won't forget > for a while. The rest of the movie is very good too. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:06:15 +1000 > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > Subject: Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms NJC > > Hi Walt. Nice to see you back. My sympathies for your computer > trouble. I have also recently had a major computer meltdown. I lost > over 100GB of music. The worst part was all of my Joni covers that I > have been saving from Bob are gone now. > > As for thirtysomething, as soapy as it was, I still could relate to it > even though I was slightly under that age bracket. The show made me > think which is the first criterion for my patronage of a show or > movie. Realistic characters is next and it fulfilled that one too. It > doesn't hurt to have some eye candy like Ken Olin or Peter Horton. > > I was not aware those other shows were by the same creators but, it > doesn't surprise me. Brothers and Sisters is hugely popular in > Australia but I haven't caught it yet. I heard that it stars Aussie > actress, Rachel Griffiths. I'm ot one for soap operas. thirtysomething > was an exception. > > Enjoy. > > Mark in Sydney > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:49:22 -0700 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Questions for musicians > > Its been a long while but hi everyone! > > BG asked > > >What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play?< > > Midway because of the melody, lyrics & the way the chord shapes move down & > up > > >What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play?< > > Night ride home but I've cheated & changed the tuning > > >Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry?< > > Amelia but haven't played it for a longer while > > Kate > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:25:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms > > It has been discussed, but what the heck. There's always something new to learn > or a new person's take on it. > > I believe "The Priest" is about Leonard Cohen. The name Cohen means priest. > > I understand LC's father died when Leonard was quite young and that he owned a > "substantial" clothing store in Montreal. I'm not sure about the "golden > factories," but I understand LC's family was well-off, although not immensely > rich, so maybe it's a reference to the factories where the clothing was made (?) > According to Wikipedia (and it seems like a pretty good and in-depth entry for > LC at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen, he was left with a trust > income,"sufficient to allow him to pursue his literary ambitions, without having > to worry about where his rent would come from." > > > > ________________________________ > From: Walt Breen > To: Jonilist Digest > Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 12:45:48 AM > Subject: Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms > > My apologies if all this has already been mentioned... > > > Oh, one thing that occurred to me weeks ago when I was off-line, listening to > Robin and the Mutts' wonderful version of Rainy Night House. I've wondered > about this over the forty years since I first heard the line, "She went to > Florida/and left you with your father's gun alone": what exactly was meant? I > mean it's a really funny song all around, and for the most part I've assumed > some kind of phallic thingy was meant (altho, then, why his *father's* gun?) > Was she talking about Graham, another boyfriend, someone fictional? Did one > of her beaux' fathers have golden factories of some kind, or is that a > metaphor, too? I'm sure this has all been hashed out before, but if those of > y'all in the know wouldn't mind one more go-around... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mags > Subject: Re: "Blue" in "The Kids Are All RIght" now clips from the sound track > > Just found this ... clips from the sound track, including Joni singing All I > Want... > > cant wait to see the movie, it looks fab > > Mags > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzNbXjArp2g > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Re: Questions for musicians > > I most love playing "Just Like Me" on guitar. It is a great song, fun to > play > on the guitar and not too complicated. Once you figure out the tunings > (which > is available online!) and get a handle on the fingering of the chords, > I don't > think any Joni song is too difficult to play. Some chords are a bit > awkward > since Joni uses such different structures but once you get it, no > worries. > > No Joni song, or any song for that matter, could make me cry > while playing > it. I do believe that music is indeed like a catharsis, a > release though. > After I play a show, I always feel more open and comfortable > than I was before. > I'm not sure if I can even explain the feeling. Perhaps > it is what a devout > Christian feels like after going to confession? I'm not > even saying every song > has to be confessional but every song, after I play > it, I get that release. I > feel like a load has been lifted. It is strange > and something I should ask > of other musicians.... > Anyhow, I'd love to learn > some Joni songs on the piano. My primary instrument > is guitar though I love > to dabble. I just need to sit down, concentrate, learn > it, and stay away > from the guitar. The hardest part is staying away long enough > from the > guitar. > - -M > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barry Swimar > > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 1:20:30 PM > Subject: Questions for musicians > > Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have > some questions for you guitarists > out there--replies from pianists, > dulcimerists, oboeists, skeptics and zebras > also invited: > What is your > favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? > What, in your experience, is the easiest > Joni song to play? > Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you > cry? > Oh, and did I mention how important this list is to me? > BG > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:51:34 -0700 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms > > This might be a clue as well. It's part of the lyrics to Cohen's song > 'Night Comes On' > > We were fighting in Egypt > When they signed this agreement > That nobody else had to die > There was this terrible sound > And my father went down > With a terrible wound in his side > He said, Try to go on > Take my books, *take my gun* > Remember, my son, how they lied > And the night comes on > It's very calm > I'd like to pretend that my father was wrong > But you don't want to lie, not to the young > > I'm not sure when this song was written. I think 'Rainy Night House' was > written first. > > Mark in Seattle > > - -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Catherine McKay" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:25 AM > To: "Walt Breen" ; "Jonilist Digest" > Subject: Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms > > > It has been discussed, but what the heck. There's always something new to > > learn > > or a new person's take on it. > > > > I believe "The Priest" is about Leonard Cohen. The name Cohen means > > priest. > > > > I understand LC's father died when Leonard was quite young and that he > > owned a > > "substantial" clothing store in Montreal. I'm not sure about the "golden > > factories," but I understand LC's family was well-off, although not > > immensely > > rich, so maybe it's a reference to the factories where the clothing was > > made (?) > > According to Wikipedia (and it seems like a pretty good and in-depth entry > > for > > LC at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen, he was left with a trust > > income,"sufficient to allow him to pursue his literary ambitions, without > > having > > to worry about where his rent would come from." > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Walt Breen > > To: Jonilist Digest > > Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 12:45:48 AM > > Subject: Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms > > > > My apologies if all this has already been mentioned... > > > > > > Oh, one thing that occurred to me weeks ago when I was off-line, listening > > to > > Robin and the Mutts' wonderful version of Rainy Night House. I've > > wondered > > about this over the forty years since I first heard the line, "She went to > > Florida/and left you with your father's gun alone": what exactly was > > meant? I > > mean it's a really funny song all around, and for the most part I've > > assumed > > some kind of phallic thingy was meant (altho, then, why his *father's* > > gun?) > > Was she talking about Graham, another boyfriend, someone fictional? Did > > one > > of her beaux' fathers have golden factories of some kind, or is that a > > metaphor, too? I'm sure this has all been hashed out before, but if those > > of > > y'all in the know wouldn't mind one more go-around... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:53:43 -0600 > From: Walt Breen > Subject: Re: Questions for musicians (and Hi, Barry) > > Hi gang, > > > > Barry asked > > >>What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? > > > > I'm a keyboardist, sort of, and in the past I liked published versions of her > songs that did a good job of transcribing what Joni actually played; quite a > few songs from Blue and For the Roses come to mind (Blue, My Old Man, Blond in > the Bleachers, Judgement of the Moon and the Stars) Some of the songs in the > books to C&S and HoSL are well-transcribed, too. Ah, and the piano part -- > all 15 pages of it -- of Paprika Plains in DJRD. > > > > In more recent years, I've worked on my own piano arrangements of some songs, > like Jericho, The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey, Facelift, and most recently, > Moon at the Window, that were primarily transcribed for guitar, as several > others here have mentioned doing the reverse. > > > > > >>What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play? > > > > I'm surprised no one has mentioned Circle Game. And as many have mentioned, > some songs that are complex in sound are played in very interesting tunings > which make them easier to play than they sound. > > > >>Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? > > > > Job's Sad Lament, Cherokee Louise, Beat of Black Wings, and perhaps oddly, > perhaps not, all three of her published Christmas-Depression Songs: River, > Chinese Cafe, and Facelift, which isn't even really depressing, but when Joni > sings: > > > > For God's sake! > > I'm middle aged, Mama, > > And time moves swift > > And you know, > > Happiness is the best > > Facelift, > > > > I fall to pieces. > > > > > >>Oh, and did I mention how important this list is to me? > > > > > You are definitely not alone, jmdl-brother!! > > > Best, > > Walt "Little" Breen > > Let the walls come tumbling down > Let them fall right on the ground > Let all the dogs go running free > The wild and the gentle dogs > Kenneled in me > (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) > Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:17:44 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Laurel Canyon and other snippets > > Comments interspersed. > > Lieve said, > >While I hate getting older in terms of > > wrinkles and brittle > bones, my goodness I am so excited by the capacity of the > mind to keep > learning and understanding a wider and wider field as we get older, > because > we realise how we are an integral piece of it all in terms of time and > space.> > > "We are a way > for the universe > to be aware of itself." > Dr. Carl Sagan > > Lieve said, > >I hope this makes sense, because I am writing so > fast that I am making big leaps with my thoughts.> > > I'll say. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2010 #213 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:40:20 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Tim Robbins chooses A Case of You Today's castaway on BBC4's Desert Island Discs was actor, director, Tim Robbins who chose "the best love song ever written", Joni's A Case of You. What's more, if all but one of his choices were washed away, he would want to save ACOY above all others. He said something to the effect that if he ever wrote a love song he would want it to be as good as Joni's. The program will be repeated on Friday am, is available on the i-player and as a pod-cast. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions for musicians Hello, Zoob? I've heard you sing and play and I would call you a musician. ________________________________ From: Jamie Zubairi Home To: Barry Swimar Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:05:40 AM Subject: Re: Questions for musicians Hi Barry, What a great first question. While not a musician, per se, I do play guitar and sing so I thought I'd chime in. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:56:13 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Questions for musicians > ________________________________ > From: Barry Swimar > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 1:20:30 PM > Subject: Questions for musicians > > Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have some questions for you guitarists > out there--replies from pianists, dulcimerists, oboeists, skeptics and zebras > also invited: > What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? I still love to rock out to Yellow Taxi. It has lots of memories for me, not least hearing Joni explaining the song when she played it in January 1970 prior to the release of LOTC. People always asked me to play it and I still also love to play Joni's version of Both Sides Now. What a brilliant song still. > Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? Probably 'I think I understand' It reminds me that my crazy mind can drive me over the edge with Fear. Remembering it's like a wilderland, stepping songs, sinking sand. And voices in the night often call me back - so challenging them with flashes from a brighter time (like Joni Fests) always helps. It's a bit of a prayer for me. I play 'Hejira' very,very badly so I cry when I play it - but not because I'm moved. Usually through frustration! :~) But it says everything in the world. When I saw the thread was 'Questions for Musicians' I was so grumpy because I thought 'I'm not a musician anymore. I am struggling still with my shoulder and arm, so I find it hard to not be able to play as well as I did at one time. Then I thought I should get over myself and write anyway! And my message to myself is to persevere and try to be accepting. Love Anita (trying to grow old gracefully, but clearly not suceeding today) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:52:51 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: thirtysomething & Joni Mentions With all the discussion Mark started about "thirtysomething" the 3 episodes Bob referred to in the Library's Cultural References (Television section) are now updated AND includes the links to the videos of the actual Joni references. Catherine, good news & a freebie for you.....the Library.....it's FREE again. No login necessary! No need to hunt......direct links below: Housewarming (1987) - The Circle Game http://jonimitchell.com/library/cr_tv.cfm?id=98 I'll Be Home for Christmas (1987) - River http://jonimitchell.com/library/cr_tv.cfm?id=99 Mr. Right (1989) - All I Want http://jonimitchell.com/library/cr_tv.cfm?id=100 Thanks to Sue Cameron who originally alerted the website to all the "thirtysomething" episodes thru the years. If you see or hear ANY Joni reference (of any kind) please contribute. There's a link at the Library's Cultural Reference page or just email information to jonilovesjazz@gmail.com. Bob, thanks for the kudos!! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: thirtysomething & Joni Mentions ________________________________ From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" To: joni@smoe.org Cc: mark-leon@iinet.net.au; Catherine McKay ; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 3:52:51 PM Subject: thirtysomething & Joni Mentions Catherine, good news & a freebie for you.....the Library.....it's FREE again. No login necessary! No need to hunt......direct links below: - - That's what I thought but the other day, I tried to access it and was told I had to log in. Hmmm. Weird. I was at work and our work computers and software are about ten years behind the times - maybe that's it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:00:57 +1000 (ChST) From: "Pat Boland" Subject: "Morning Glory on a Vine" Wow! I hope everyone has had a chance to see the 'handwritten book' that's posted on ebay right now. This is like a trip to the Joni Mitchell museum! It will be there until someone 'buys it now' or until Aug 13, 201008:23:10 PDT, whichever comes first. "DESCRIPTION This is a very rare hand written book with poems, drawings and watercolors that Joni Mitchell made for only her friends and loves in 1970. The title of the book is "Morning Glory on the Vine". The book is 9 X 11 1/2 and has 58 pages with over thirty illustrations and watercolors. It is numbered 12 out of 100 and signed underneath by Joni. There is a handwritten note to David [Cohen] Blue who was a musician and songwriter that died in 1982. The note says "For David who loved me like a brother when no one could love me as anything but a poet or an illusion-love struggles back-a thin leaf promising a flower /71". An amazing book! There are a few pages that have come loose from the binding and it is lightly soiled on the outside only. It does smell like cigarettes when you open it. Buyer pays insurance." You've got to see this if you are a fan of Joni's. If anyone knows or lives near Cindy Albin 1519 Hallmark Ct Santa Rosa CA 95403 you can probably arrange to see it in person. A book Joni had made personally! If I lived anywhere near Cindy I'd pay "25 bucks just to see"! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380250976660 Cheers, Pat Boland ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #214 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------