From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #212 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 17 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 212 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Laurel Canyon and other snippets [Lieve Reckers ] Retro Covers, Volume 52 [Bob Muller ] Re: Retro Covers, Volume 52 [Gerald Notaro ] Questions for musicians [Barry Swimar ] Re: Questions for musicians [Michael Paz ] What if? [scam1@freeway.net] Re: Questions for musicians [Dave Blackburn ] Re: What if? [Bob Muller ] Re: thirtysomething [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Questions for musicians [Chris Marshall ] Re: Questions for musicians [Catherine McKay ] Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms [Walt Breen ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:49:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Laurel Canyon and other snippets Hi Laura and Catherine and anybody else interested in books about the Canyon and that part of music history: I read it too, and I think many other listers did too, because it was mentioned here on the JMDL a few years ago. I read it in tandem with another very good book, a bit more music focused but basically just giving an account of the same scene: Hotel California: Singer-songwriters and Cocaine Cowboys in the L.A. Canyons 1967-1976 by Barney Hoskyns. It's true that the best way to take a book in, is when you are in the area it describes, or are in any other way related to the subject, so that it comes alive. For instance, ever since I have been doing regular drives through the American southwest (Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada etc) I have really enjoyed reading books like Edward Abbey's Desert Solitaire and Francis Parkman's The Oregon Trail (very different in mentality, but both authentic). Last year, after a weekend trip to Vienna, I finally decided to get to grip with the history of Europe, the Austro-Hungarian and the Great Roman Empire in a way that no school history lesson had ever managed. And I am sure that after Pazfest in September, I will scan Amazon for some good books on the history of New Orleans and further information on the origins of jazz. I just think: isn't life fantastic! While I hate getting older in terms of wrinkles and brittle bones, my goodness I am so excited by the capacity of the mind to keep learning and understanding a wider and wider field as we get older, because we realise how we are an integral piece of it all in terms of time and space. I mean: a century is so short, and the world is so small, that I really want to know as much as I can, because I feel I can almost touch it (whereas a child sees only its own short life as reality), and that is just the greatest kick, I think! I hope this makes sense, because I am writing so fast that I am making big leaps with my thoughts. Also quickly on a different subject: Paul and others, thanks for the tip on the film The Kids Are Alright. Certainly enough to convince me to put it in my diary! Have a great summer everybody. I will probably be without internet connection for the next 3 weeks (getting together with the Reckers clan and helping with some house building in France) , so even if anybody wants to tell me that Joni or Dylan are going to play in our local Greenwich club, or that Jeff Bridges is looking for modest accommodation in London, I will probably miss it! Lieve - ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon and what a cool story! ________________________________ From: Laura Stanley To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 11:29:24 AM Subject: Laurel Canyon The guy working at the store had a book on Laurel Canyon at the cash register. It titled, Laurel Canyon: The Inside Story of Rock and Roll's Legendary Neighborhood and is written by Michael Walker who lives in Laurel Canyon. The book is awesome! It starts out like this: "In 1968 a British pop star and the refugees from two seminal Los Angeles bands gathered in a cottage on Lookout Mountain Avenue in Laurel Canyon, the slightly seedy, camp-like neighborhood of serpentine one-lane roads, precipitous hills, fragrant eucalyptus trees, and softly crumbling bungalows set down improbably in the middle of Los Angeles, and sang together for the first time. The occupant of the cottage, which had moldering shake shingles and draft-prone casement windows, was a Canadian painter, poet, and folksinger named Joni Mitchell. (...) What a cool place!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Sun Kil Moon (njc) Yep, that's a pretty one all right, with some amazing lyrics ('have you forgotten how to love yourself' stands out in my mind). My first connection with Mark was buying the RHP album "Ocean Beach" back in the 90's, based on a stellar review in a local arts newspaper. I was blown away with that one and have been a big fan ever since. Bob NP: Peter Case, "Icewater" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 52 Happy Friday Hippies! Here's the next in the ongoing series of blast-from-the-past Joni Covers for those of you playing at home. It's Volume 52, containing the following smash hits:B 1. Carli Munoz/Eddie GomezB -Both Sides Now 2. Anneloes Verveld Combo - B Big Yellow Taxi 3. Claire DalyB -Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 4. Natalie MerchantB -River (live 2001) 5. The Changing WindsB -Both Sides Now 6. YoghillB -Night Ride Home 7. YoghillB -Jericho 8. Theresa AnderssonB -Carey 9. Ranee LeeB -Both Sides Now 10. Jane HallB -Help Me, I Think Ibm Falling 11. Jane HallB -Woodstock 12. Jane HallB -Chelsea Morning 13. Jane HallB -You Turn Me On, Ibm A Radio 14. Jane HallB -Both Sides Now 15. WitnessB -Woodstock 16. NazarethB -This Flight Tonight (live) 17. Steel Sunrise Steel BandB -Big Yellow Taxi 18. Julie AnthonyB - Both Sides Now Go snag it here: http://tinyurl.com/28ncjs6 B And enjoy the tunes and the weekend! B Bob B NP: Filter, "Thanks Bro" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:13:11 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 52 Thanks, Bob. Tell me, is Natalie's version of River the Christmas version? Ba-da-boom! Seriously folks, Natalie's new double cd, Leave Your Sleep, is a winner. Give it a listen. Jerry On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > Happy Friday Hippies! > > Here's the next in the ongoing series of blast-from-the-past Joni Covers > for > those of you playing at home. It's Volume 52, containing the following > smash > hits:B > 1. Carli Munoz/Eddie GomezB -Both Sides Now > 2. Anneloes Verveld Combo - B Big Yellow Taxi > 3. Claire DalyB -Goodbye Pork Pie Hat > 4. Natalie MerchantB -River (live 2001) > 5. The Changing WindsB -Both Sides Now > 6. YoghillB -Night Ride Home > 7. YoghillB -Jericho > 8. Theresa AnderssonB -Carey > 9. Ranee LeeB -Both Sides Now > 10. Jane HallB -Help Me, I Think Ib m Falling > 11. Jane HallB -Woodstock > 12. Jane HallB -Chelsea Morning > 13. Jane HallB -You Turn Me On, Ib m A Radio > 14. Jane HallB -Both Sides Now > 15. WitnessB -Woodstock > 16. NazarethB -This Flight Tonight (live) > 17. Steel Sunrise Steel BandB -Big Yellow Taxi > 18. Julie AnthonyB - Both Sides Now > Go snag it here: http://tinyurl.com/28ncjs6 > B > And enjoy the tunes and the weekend! > B > Bob > B > NP: Filter, "Thanks Bro" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Barry Swimar Subject: Questions for musicians Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have some questions for you guitarists out there--replies from pianists, dulcimerists, oboeists, skeptics and zebras also invited: What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play? Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? Oh, and did I mention how important this list is to me? BG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:42:05 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Questions for musicians Hi Barry I don;t know if we have spoken before I do not recognize your name. Anyway HI!!! I think Song For Sharon is my fave to play with a close second going to Just Like This Train. The easiest one for me to play is Peoples Parties. It is also the first one I learned. Chinese Cafe always use to tear me up when I played it and also Love 13 from WTRF. Are you a musician? Where do you live? Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jul 16, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Barry Swimar wrote: Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have some questions for you guitarists out there--replies from pianists, dulcimerists, oboeists, skeptics and zebras also invited: What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play? Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? Oh, and did I mention how important this list is to me? BG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:55:05 -0400 (EDT) From: scam1@freeway.net Subject: What if? Thinking about the artist collaborations of the recent past (Woody and Jonatha) and the recent future (Nick Hornby and Ben Folds) and I ponder if Joni would ever consider writing new lyrics for others to set to tune. The thought of a Joni/Ben Folds or Joni/Jonatha collaboration is too cool for words. Wonder what everyone else thinks. Suze Now remembering: the submissions to Smurf for Thirtysomething back in the day. BTW, Ellyn did not sing All I Want but she quoted the lyrics for her dating video submission. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:02:29 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Questions for musicians Hi Barry, Ooh nice thread... I have several favorites to play actually. Just Like This Train certainly, My Secret Place also, and For The Roses. Lately I've been doing Shades of Scarlet Conquering on guitar which is great fun to play, since it's a piano piece originally. Also Blue on guitar. The easiest is probably Raised on Robbery or Big Yellow Taxi, but many are easy fingerings once you are in the right tuning. Personally I do a lot of Joni tunes in standard tuning so there is not a lot of down time in concert and so the guitar neck is not being twisted every which way all night. Hejira is most likely to make me cry, for two reasons: 1) It is sublime and perhaps Joni's most penetrating look at life, endlessly poignant. And 2) it is darn near impossible to get the low B string in tune when open and then fretted (either/or but not both)! Amelia is pretty teary to me too. I haven't learned The Dawntreader yet, but I have an idea it will become both a favorite and a cry inducing one. If you are new to the list, welcome. BTW I plugged the JMDL to the audience at last night's house concert and several people showed great interest in signing on, so we may get some San Diego newbies. thanks, Dave On Jul 16, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Barry Swimar wrote: > Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have some questions for you > guitarists out there--replies from pianists, dulcimerists, oboeists, > skeptics and zebras also invited: > What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? > What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play? > Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? > Oh, and did I mention how important this list is to me? > BG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: What if? I would love it; sadly, I don't think she'd have any interest in it, whether ego or bitterness issues. Bob NP: M. Ward, "Shangri-La" PS: Suze, if you dig Ben Folds, check out a band called Jukebox The Ghost...eerily similar. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: thirtysomething >>Ellen sang? Her voice was so raspy, she could barely speak. I must have seen the >>episode but I don't remember it. Video dating sounds about right for her >>character though. Well, it was kind of talking/singing. She was listing the things she wanted while recording her video, and then suddenly went into "I want to have fun," etc. It was more for comic effect than musical. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:47:12 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Questions for musicians On 16 Jul 2010, at 18:20, Barry Swimar wrote: > Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have some questions for you guitarists out there--replies from pianists, dulcimerists, oboeists, skeptics and zebras also invited: This'll be my first foray back into the list for a looooOOOOooong time - damn fine set of questions too. I'm a bass player, so while that's not on your list, I'll dip my oar in anyway :) > What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? Coyote, without a doubt. Maybe with Free Man In Paris (S&L version) or Off Night Backstreet in second place. > What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play? Joni songs. Easy. Ummm. No, I can't answer that. I'm guessing the guitarists will give you more relevant answers to this anyhow. > Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? Luckily, none. Although in the past, Coyote has resonated strongly enough to have an effect on me... Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions for musicians These are good questions. At least, I think so. Some of them are kind of hard to answer though. ________________________________ From: Barry Swimar To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 1:20:30 PM Subject: Questions for musicians Forgive me if this is redundant, but I have some questions for you guitarists out there--replies from pianists, dulcimerists, oboeists, skeptics and zebras also invited: What is your favorite Joni Mitchell song to play? - Probably whichever one I'm learning at any particular time (which hasn't been anything recently, as I haven't played for four years or so - but I really MEAN to get back into it, and I've lost my calluses, so it hurts, man!) What, in your experience, is the easiest Joni song to play? - People's Parties is pretty easy because, once you've got the tuning it's mostly barre chords straight across (which can also hurt, though.) However, I've been playing "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire" for a long time, so I find it kind of easy just because I've played it so often (but not recently - see first Q and A.) Which song, while playing it, is most likely to make you cry? - Depends on what's going on and how maudlin I might be feeling at any particular time, but "A case of you" or "Little Green" has done it for me. Oh, and did I mention how important this list is to me? - You did now, and you are not alone! Thanks for the good questions! Do you have answers for them? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:45:48 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: Re: thirtysomething, paternal firearms Hi gang, Just got my damned PC fixed for $200 after 2 months, and so I haven't read any of the digests until today. Are my fellow fans of the "thirtysomething" show aware that the same people tried several other shows over years (the only one I can remember the name of for sure is "relativity" -- and some of them may have something to do with "My So-Called Life," too I think), and that the current popular US show "Brothers and Sisters" is a continuation of that angst-but-fun style? In fact, the exec producer of the show is Ken Olin, who was Michael Steadman on 30-s./t. -- he also has a recurring role as the on-and-off paramour of Patricia Wettig, one of the stars of *both* shows, and to whom he is married in real life. (They were each married to other people on 30-s.t.) Other stars of "Bros and Sis" are Sally Field and Calista Flockhart. (Rob Lowe was on the show, but they killed him off at the end of this past season.) And just as thirtysomething broke ground by showing two guys in bed in the morning (gasp! -- as if that were perfectly normal!), this show has no fewer than three gay characters, one of the brothers, his husband, and Sally Field's brother, the kids' uncle. Yeah it's a little soapy, but the writing is usually good and the performances excellent; overall it's great, well worth watching. No idea if it's available in the UK or Australia. My apologies if all this has already been mentioned... Oh, one thing that occurred to me weeks ago when I was off-line, listening to Robin and the Mutts' wonderful version of Rainy Night House. I've wondered about this over the forty years since I first heard the line, "She went to Florida/and left you with your father's gun alone": what exactly was meant? I mean it's a really funny song all around, and for the most part I've assumed some kind of phallic thingy was meant (altho, then, why his *father's* gun?) Was she talking about Graham, another boyfriend, someone fictional? Did one of her beaux' fathers have golden factories of some kind, or is that a metaphor, too? I'm sure this has all been hashed out before, but if those of y'all in the know wouldn't mind one more go-around... Dessicating in the Utah heat and glad to be back on-line, Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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