From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #210 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 15 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 210 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- thirtysomething [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: thirtysomething NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: thirtysomething [Catherine McKay ] Re: thirtysomething [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: thirtysomething [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: thirtysomething [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Paved Paradise Redux: John Kelly's Upcoming Performances [Robbi Kearns ] Re: Sun Kil Moon (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] CSN ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Great Dudes in History - Revisit on "Your noches liberation doll..." ["Jill Haas" ] Voices ["Pat Boland" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:52:26 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: thirtysomething Hi all. Just thought I'd pass on a significant Joni moment that I had recently. No chance meeting or anything exciting like that. The '90s angst driven soap opera, thirtysomething has just been released on DVD so, I was reliving my youth and started watching them from the beginning. Episode 3 is a story about second guessing and deciding whether to follow a deeply held moral or throwing it to the wind and taking the corporate path of greed for the sake of comfort and wealth. The story ends with Michael taking the latter choice which greatly disappointed me. The "B" story is about Hope flirting with and being flirted by a young handyman and finding it educational to test her will. The final scene is of most of the main characters sitting around the living room as Joni's, The Circle Game plays over their joyous revelling. Corny, I know but, this show was a big influence on me even though I was slightly too young for the demographic. It seemed open and honest to me at the time, not hopelessly contrived as it does now. I fell in love with the music and have become quite the fan of G.W. Snuffy Walden. Ricki Lee Jones has the honour of having a song included in an episode and on the soundtrack album but, Joni has the honour of being the first non original artist played in an episode. Mark in Sydney NP The Fez - Steely Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:50:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: thirtysomething NJC I liked that show as well, Mark, well-written, well-acted, and like you say, great music. I found the soundtrack in a local record shop for a buck and it's probably the best dollar I've ever spent. As I recall, it was the first show that showed two men waking up in the same bed in the morning. I may have to revisit it on DVD myself. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Last Tide" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: thirtysomething I used to enjoy that show. It seems to me there were at least 2-3 Joni references in it. I would be very surprised if "River" wasn't featured in one episode, but memory fails - including my ability to check the jonimitchell.com library because I can't remember my password to log in! ________________________________ From: Mark-Leon Thorne To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 6:52:26 AM Subject: thirtysomething The final scene is of most of the main characters sitting around the living room as Joni's, The Circle Game plays over their joyous revelling. [...]The '90s angst driven soap opera, thirtysomething has just been released on DVD so, I was reliving my youth and started watching them from the beginning. Episode 3 is a story about second guessing [...] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:49:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: thirtysomething Yes, "River" was used in the episode titled "I'll Be Home For Christmas". According to the cast, THEY originated it as a holiday-themed song. Not sure that I agree with that... Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "You Are My Sun" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I can't recommend it enough to ANYONE, especially you guitarists. Check it out) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:21:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: thirtysomething But then again, I don't see any evidence to the contrary. Looking at the covers of River (210 listed in the database), only a handful were recorded before this thirtysomething episode, and none of these were on Christmas or holiday-themed albums: - -Reilly & Maloney included it on their 1977 live album called "Alive". - -Dave van Ronk included it on his 1973 album titled "Songs For Ageing Children" 99% of the KNOWN covers of "River" were issued after the 30-something reference - perhaps they DID place it as a holiday reference. I'm willing to give them the credit until evidence pops up to suggest otherwise. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "The Leaning Tree" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:13:15 -0400 From: Robbi Kearns Subject: Paved Paradise Redux: John Kelly's Upcoming Performances Hi All - John Kelly has two upcoming performances of Paved Paradise Redux: The Art of Joni Mitchell. Friday July 16 & Saturday July 17 The Spiegeltent at Fischer Center at Bard College Annandale-on-Hudson, NY http://fishercenter.bard.edu/calendar/event.php?eid=109902&year=2010&month=7 San Francisco Monday July 19, 2010 - Wednesday July 21st The RAZZ ROOM at Hotel Nikko 222 Mason Street San Francisco, CA http://www.therrazzroom.com/10Artist/JohnK10.html Enjoy!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:22:30 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: The Kids Are All Right - njc There's a wonderful article in the August issue of The Advocate about the film, and with the writer/director, Lisa Cholodenko, herself a lesbian, and mom of a 4 year old son with her partner of 8 years. It's a great read. The film opened here in SF on Friday, most folks I know who've seen it, loved it. I have yet to make it to the theater, been having back problems :( http://www.advocate.com/Society/Modern_Families/This_Is_to_Mother_You/ ~Richard n.p. "Night Work" - Scissor Sisters > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:52:46 -0400 > From: Gerald Notaro > Subject: Re: The Kids Are All Right - njc > > Hey Paul, > > A few weeks back I predicted this would be a sleeper hit. The reviews are > raves. Now let's hope it finds the audience it deserves. > > Jerry > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Paul Castle >wrote: > > > Just been reading a great review of the new film > > "The Kids Are All Right" (due out on July 23) - > > http://bit.ly/b6AGnO - "a movie about a lesbian > > couple whose two teenage children were conceived > > with the help of an anonymous sperm donor" - > > Nic (Annette Bening) and Jules (Julianne Moore), > > their children - the 18-year-old Joni (Mia Wasikowska) > > and her 15-year-old brother, Laser (Josh Hutcherson) - > > and sperm-donor father Paul (Mark Ruffalo) > > > > Describing it as "outrageously funny without ever > > exaggerating for comic effect, and heartbreaking > > with only minimal melodramatic embellishment", > > the reviewer concludes: > > > > > The performances are all close to perfect, which > > > is to say that the imperfections of each character > > > are precisely measured and honestly presented. > > > There is great music too, both on the soundtrack > > > and, in one extraordinary scene, sung a cappella > > > at the dinner table. (It s Joni Mitchell s Blue, > > > beautifully harmonized by Nic and Paul). > > > > Sounds great! > > > > very best to all > > PaulC > > > > NP Josh Ritter's "A Girl In The War" by Solas > > http://blip.fm/~tdm5u ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:04:11 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Sun Kil Moon (njc) Bob wrote: > NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Alesund" (this gorgeous new album from SKM (Mark > Kozelek) is breath-taking. I can't recommend it enough to ANYONE, > especially you guitarists. Check it out) Is the album called "Alesund" in the States, Bob? It's shown as "Admiral Fell Promises" on his site. He's crossing the pond to play a gig at the Union Chapel here in London at the end of July - you can listen to 'Admiral Fell Promises' and 'You Are My Sun' (both absolutely gorgeous, imo) @ http://ontouracrossthepond.blogspot.com/ Can't wait to hear the rest of the album (whatever it's called!) - the guy's amazing! very best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:12:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Sun Kil Moon (njc) Hi Paul, The track I was listening to was "Aselund", the first track from his new release which, as you stated, is "Admiral Fell Promises". You can listen to THREE tracks here: http://www.markkozelek.com/ Sun Kil Moon, like Red House Painters, is essentially Mark Kozelek who has also released albums under his own name. ALL of them are great. From what I understand, he's spent a lot of time recently listening to classical guitar and that influence clearly shows on these tracks. And I would highly recommend catching him live if and when you can. I've seen him in a small intimate setting in Asheville (The Grey Eagle where I most recently caught Jonatha Brooke with Phyliss Ward) and it was a wonderful show. Bob NP: The White Stripes, "Black Math" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:49:41 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: CSN Hello Just attended both gigs of CSN in Paris. "Woodstock" was the opener for both shows. Last night Graham dedicated "Our House" to Joni. I think he never got over her, but who would? He still has humor though. He adressed the audience with "there's a guy in the 4th row with binoculars, why the f... do you need binoculars, do you want..." as he began to unzip his flyer. Interesting show, Croz explained the record company wants them to make an album of covers so they're testing different covers on us. Warm response from the audience during Behind Blue Eyes (Who) and Midnight Rider (Allman), both of which had "???" on the setlists. Also Steven dedicated "Rock n Roll Woman" to Veronique who was in the audience. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:47:27 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History - Revisit on "Your noches liberation doll..." Thanks Mark, http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html "the ladies seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of free love...not Joni - she made it and moved on to more important things..." I rest my case about the notches in the belt, (lthough I made it a long time ago) - and we all agree that there are perhaps a few notches in Ms. Mitchell's belt. There are a few of us that lived that time and know what it's like to prove ourselves by behaving like the men around us did - we moved on. So did Joni. She is so a Dudette, Duder!! I quote from the above mentioned source: "While most of the sixties rock revolution was fomented by guys, the ladies seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of free love, or dead from intemperance like Mama Cass and Janis Joplin. Not so for the quintessentially cool dudeist saint Mitchell who sang smartly about individualism while smoking and cursing like a sailor and living life on her own terms. She paints pretty good too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: "gene" ; "joni" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History > Lol! This too funny! (and appropriate) > > Mark in Seattle > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "gene" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:15 PM > To: "joni" > Subject: Great Dudes in History > >> Joni made the list!!! >> http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html >> >> enjoy, gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:24:04 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History - Revisit on "Your noches liberation doll..." Interestingly, Joni herself in an interview following her being reunited with her daughter commented on this very subject. She said something like, "We all thought it was free love back then. What we learned was, nothing is free." Jerry On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Jill Haas wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html > > "the ladies seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of > free love...not Joni - she made it and moved on to more important things..." > > I rest my case about the notches in the belt, (lthough I made it a long > time ago) - and we all agree that there are perhaps a few notches in Ms. > Mitchell's belt. There are a few of us that lived that time and know what > it's like to prove ourselves by behaving like the men around us did - we > moved on. So did Joni. She is so a Dudette, Duder!! > > I quote from the above mentioned source: > > "While most of the sixties rock revolution was fomented by guys, the ladies > seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of free love, or > dead from intemperance like Mama Cass and Janis Joplin. Not so for the > quintessentially cool dudeist saint Mitchell who sang smartly about > individualism while smoking and cursing like a sailor and living life on her > own terms. She paints pretty good too. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" > To: "gene" ; "joni" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History > > > Lol! This too funny! (and appropriate) >> >> Mark in Seattle >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "gene" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:15 PM >> To: "joni" >> Subject: Great Dudes in History >> >> Joni made the list!!! >>> http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html >>> >>> enjoy, gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:50:17 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Sun Kil Moon (njc) This is weird---Another singer/songwriter just strongly recommended Sun Kil Moon. Must be good!! peace~~gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Castle" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: Sun Kil Moon (njc) > Bob wrote: > >> NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Alesund" (this gorgeous new album from SKM (Mark >> Kozelek) is breath-taking. I can't recommend it enough to ANYONE, >> especially you guitarists. Check it out) > > Is the album called "Alesund" in the States, Bob? > It's shown as "Admiral Fell Promises" on his site. > > He's crossing the pond to play a gig at the Union > Chapel here in London at the end of July - you can > listen to 'Admiral Fell Promises' and 'You Are My Sun' > (both absolutely gorgeous, imo) @ > http://ontouracrossthepond.blogspot.com/ > > Can't wait to hear the rest of the album (whatever > it's called!) - the guy's amazing! > > very best > PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:22:42 +1000 (ChST) From: "Pat Boland" Subject: Voices Hey gang, If there's anyone out there who wants and doesn't yet have Joni's 'VOICES' art book from the Mendel exhibit, for the next 4 days someone is auctioning on ebay with a starting bid of only $25.00! This is remarkable because most sellers have been asking but not getting between $300 & $400. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=300445564405&Category=29223&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D1 a definite opportunity... good luck. Pat ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #210 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------