From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #181 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 19 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 181 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Tech stuff re: remastered Blue [Russell Bowden ] Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue njc [Em ] Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue [Em ] Re: Joni Mitchell Jazz Radio Special [David Gizara ] Is Tom Petty singing worse than Dylan? njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue Gang, While I'm sure it's nice to listen to a nice cleaner (?) Blue, I have to say that I'm getting it up to here with the 1001 "new" ways to listen/view a classic...Whether you're watching/listening to Blue, Casablanca or whatever on non-compressed, HD, Blue-Ray, blah blah...it's still Blue, Casablanca or whatever.....another great marketing fraud America style....buy the same product on as many formats as possible because one of them MIGHT be 1000th of a % better. Sheesh! Nothing personal here..just being a grouch. Love, Russ in Alameda, CA Sotto voce _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:51:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue njc Amen, brother! Another grouch here. ________________________________ From: Russell Bowden To: Joni Mitchell Discussion Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 2:52:47 PM Subject: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue Gang, While I'm sure it's nice to listen to a nice cleaner (?) Blue, I have to say that I'm getting it up to here with the 1001 "new" ways to listen/view a classic...Whether you're watching/listening to Blue, Casablanca or whatever on non-compressed, HD, Blue-Ray, blah blah...it's still Blue, Casablanca or whatever.....another great marketing fraud America style....buy the same product on as many formats as possible because one of them MIGHT be 1000th of a % better. Sheesh! Nothing personal here..just being a grouch. Love, Russ in Alameda, CA Sotto voce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:39:23 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue The new LP is not 1000th of a % better. Joni is in the room with you. This of course assumes you have a better-than-average stereo and the ears to go with it. Otherwise, feel free to listen to it on MP3. Jim K. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Russell Bowden > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:53 PM > To: Joni Mitchell Discussion > Subject: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue > > Gang, > > > > While I'm sure it's nice to listen to a nice cleaner (?) > Blue, I have to say that I'm getting it up to here with the > 1001 "new" ways to listen/view a classic...Whether you're > watching/listening to Blue, Casablanca or whatever on > non-compressed, HD, Blue-Ray, blah blah...it's still Blue, > Casablanca or whatever.....another great marketing fraud > America style....buy the same product on as many formats as > possible because one of them MIGHT be 1000th of a % better. > Sheesh! Nothing personal here..just being a grouch. > > > > Love, Russ in Alameda, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:55:59 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue I am one of those who is constantly looking for that holy grail of perfect sound, whatever that is (and for me, high resolution digital is the best I've heard), but I must admit, I have never enjoyed an album more than when I first got the cassette of DJRD (not chrome, either) and listened to it over and over on an old, beat-up $20 Radio Shack cassette recorder. At some point, it's "all in the mind" as George Harrison's cartoon in Yellow Submarine pointed out. RR From: "Russell Bowden" > While I'm sure it's nice to listen to a nice cleaner (?) Blue, I have to > say > that I'm getting it up to here with the 1001 "new" ways to listen/view a > classic...Whether you're watching/listening to Blue, Casablanca or > whatever on > non-compressed, HD, Blue-Ray, blah blah...it's still Blue, Casablanca or > whatever..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue njc To me, "Blue" in all its forms (that I've ever heard) is really good enough to not have to go chasing other ways to hear it. But other albums - I've literally never gotten a good copy! whether on vinyl or CD. Thinking Steely Dan here. I've never ever heard Katy Lied "clean". Shite 70's pressing and a "bluh" 80's or early 90's CD. If there's SOMETHING out there that will let me hear it optimally, HELL yes I will go after it. Those of you who are happy with whatever version you have: YAY!!!!!! I am so happy for you! :D Truly!!!!!! But other people need to scratch the itch when certain albums just don't sound as good as they should. I mean when Steely Dan goes on and on in the liner notes about the equipment they used to record this thing, and the board used, etc etc, I expect to be able to realize that excellence when I hear it! When the only things good are the arrangements, songwriting and performances are the only things worthy of praise, I feel I'm being shorted! The media I listen to should support the effort put into recording this thing! Will I chase it???? yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until I die or just no longer give a sh_t. Which ever comes first. Again, those of you who have media that you find just fine - I am so happy for you! I will celebrate with you! I will say "mazeltov" to you. But on SOME music, I, for one, need to chase something better. Because what I purchased, with my pitiful little copper pennies, was INFERIOR!!!!!! I really wish it weren't an issue for me. I really have no extra $$ to spend on this. But if an album with stellar songwriting and instrumental arrangements sounds like muddy, wet-blanket crap then I can't listen to it unless I'm blotto drunk. And that's NOT OK. My hunch is that when folks post on here about some really great piece of media they have found, then it is intended to benefit those for whom it is an issue. My impression has never been that its been put out there to try and goad or shame others into being into it. Jeez. You guys who are happy with they way you listen/hear/experience.....YAY!!!!!!!!!! :D enjoy! Fund your retirement accounts! Feel sorry for me~! wasting time chasing a friggin' white whale, chestnut mare, windmill or whatever! I WILL hear Katy Lied optimally before I die. I swear it. I VOW. :) love, Em - --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Catherine McKay wrote: From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue njc To: "Russell Bowden" , "Joni Mitchell Discussion" Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 3:51 PM Amen, brother! Another grouch here. ________________________________ From: Russell Bowden To: Joni Mitchell Discussion Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 2:52:47 PM Subject: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue Gang, While I'm sure it's nice to listen to a nice cleaner (?) Blue, I have to say that I'm getting it up to here with the 1001 "new" ways to listen/view a classic...Whether you're watching/listening to Blue, Casablanca or whatever on non-compressed, HD, Blue-Ray, blah blah...it's still Blue, Casablanca or whatever.....another great marketing fraud America style....buy the same product on as many formats as possible because one of them MIGHT be 1000th of a % better. Sheesh! Nothing personal here..just being a grouch. Love, Russ in Alameda, CA Sotto voce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue Randy, that's the other way to go. Just play it on something low tech and let it be in the background while doing something else. Now that I think about it, my best absorption of music, with few exceptions, have been this way. So that's another way to go. :) Em - --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Randy Remote wrote: From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Tech stuff re: remastered Blue To: "Joni Mitchell Discussion" Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 4:55 PM I am one of those who is constantly looking for that holy grail of perfect sound, whatever that is (and for me, high resolution digital is the best I've heard), but I must admit, I have never enjoyed an album more than when I first got the cassette of DJRD (not chrome, either) and listened to it over and over on an old, beat-up $20 Radio Shack cassette recorder. At some point, it's "all in the mind" as George Harrison's cartoon in Yellow Submarine pointed out. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:29:16 -0700 From: David Gizara Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Jazz Radio Special Hi, Just reminding you all that I'll be doing "Joni Mitchell Jazz Summer Solstice Radio Special" this Thursday starting at 9 pm (Pacific) on www.klcc.org (you can stream the show at that time). I'm pretty much working the top 20 Joni songs most covered by others with some getting multiple covers with mostly jazz performers. I hope you all enjoy it. Again thanks to Bob for all his help. David Gizara Thursday Night Jazz KLCC 89.7 FM Eugene (NPR) www.klcc.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:15:16 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Is Tom Petty singing worse than Dylan? njc Ok, I admit that the subject line looks like I'm cruising for an argument, but follow me for a second. When Bob Dylan sings, he usually speak/sings. The parts he sings are actually on pitch (I think) but he doesn't have an attractive voice. Lately, I saw Tom Petty on SNL and wow, he's lost it. He always had the mush-mouth to one degree or another but now he's not on pitch either. Tonight I heard a new song from him on the radio & he sounds flat, really flat, just like he did on SNL. Thumbs down in Columbus, Jim ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #181 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------