From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #175 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, June 13 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 175 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- the last leviathan (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC [Em ] our website [Lieve Reckers ] Re: our website [Brian Gross ] if... [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: if... [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Pazfest II (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills njc [M C ] Video addition in the Library: California [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Video addition in the Library: All I Want & For The Roses [TheStaff@JoniM] Re: Video addition in the Library: All I Want & For The Roses [Catherine ] Video addition in the Library: The Same Situation & Just Like This Train [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.co] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills njc [Catherine McKay ] Video addition in the Library: Interview with James Taylor [TheStaff@Joni] Songs for Kate Rusby, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:33:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: the last leviathan (njc) I felt compelled to share this with all of you. It's the message I just sent to the White House about lifting the ban on whaling. - -------- "My soul has been torn from me and I am bleeding My heart it has been rent and I am crying All the beauty around me fades and I am screaming I am the last of the great whales and I am dying" These are the opening lyrics to The Last Leviathan by Andy Barnes. It's lovely poetry that describe a ghastly possibility that this administration is doing its best to make a reality. How could you, really? "Save the whales" became a rallying cry for environmental action long before we all had recycle bins in our kitchens. To lift the ban on whaling flies in the face of every meager advance this society has made in "going green." I have to wonder what brand of overwhelming greed and warped logic would compel you to even consider lifting the ban. And to do so as oil gushes into the Gulf is simply a slap in the face to anyone who cares at all about this planet. Audacity? Yes. Hope? Not in my lifetime, apparently. - --------- To quote Joni, "You touch the earth, she's sore." lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC hi Mark, sure that makes sense. The PBS show was filmed AT The Troubadour, so yes, a much smaller venue. My sense too, and I could be wrong is that Carole is now doing more harmony vocals with JT than she was during the Troubadour 07 show(s?). I mean she's REALLY wailing now! on harmony and lead on her own song. Definitely in rockstar mode. But not in any way that would indicate loss of control or degradation of sound. Its just "twisting the throttle" a bit more. Fun either way. I personally enjoyed the more rockin' show and was delighted to see the 68 yr old Carole doing what she was doing and looking so F I N E. I mean she was lookin' good! At first, before the show, I didn't realize the stage was going to turn and at that time it was positioned so Carole's back was towards us and we were momentarily disappointed. Then it occurred to me, well she's got a really nice butt! so we can just look at her butt! :) And then I thought well she's sitting at a piano, so how much can you see her butt, anyway? It ended up she was on her feet a good bit of the time, like I said "rock starin'". (rock starin' = the act of being or acting like a rock star, lol) She was really shaking it up. And not in some crappy, degraded, last gasp way. Nope it was just top-notch high energy rock. Just delicious! I have to tell you, it takes a lot to get me excited anymore, over a concert, much less to gush over it online. Before going I was kind of "blah" about it, but my expectations were not that high. What those two and the band delivered exceeded my expectations by a couple of hundred percent. It was like expecting a pleasant breeze, but receiving a mighty wind. (no reference to the movie of that name intended). :) Em - --- On Fri, 6/11/10, Mark Scott wrote: From: Mark Scott Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC To: "Em" , joni@smoe.org, passscribe@aol.com Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 9:34 PM - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Em" Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:12 PM To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC > > One other comment: the performances were a little more rocked-out than on the > PBS concert. Hmm. Like I said, I haven't watched the PBS concert yet. Was it filmed in a smaller venue? I know that actors on a stage have to 'project' their performance so that it communicates to the very back rows of the theater. Acting for a camera is different. Much more subtle and intimate. Maybe James and Carole do the same type of thing in the big venues that they are apparently playing. They are projecting in the arenas whereas the intimacy of playing to cameras necessitates a more intimate, 'restrained' performance. I put 'restrained' in quotes because I don't want to imply any kind of restraint in emotions or energy. What the performers do is just not as exaggerated or big in front of a camera as it has to be to get it out to an entire large arena. Does this make any sense? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:08:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: our website Sorry to respond so late, but I had very little internet access in the last few weeks. I was glad to see Les's request for comments about the JMDL website, because I had been quite confused myself about the distinction between the Joni Mitchell website and the JMDL website. And having read all reactions, I just want to give my strong support to what seems to be the general consensus of most replies: that we would like to keep the JMDL website for anything that relates specifically to our list, as opposed to what relates "simply" to Joni. To me, a section where we can remember members who have sadly died, is so important that it alone would justify the site. (I feel bad that more than a year after his death, we still don't have the tributes to Bob Murphy up, although I know Catherine has collected it all.) But of course there are other subjects: past Jonifest photos, info on future Jonifests, maybe a members gallery (especially for those of us who don't feel at home on Facebook), etc. I also think that it would be good to have the old posts archived on this JMDL site, although I know we can get them from the "smoe" archive. A good way to search those posts by topic would be great. (If a good search function exists, please could somebody let me know? Last time I tried, it seemed very unreliable, but I admit that was several years ago.) I guess the JMDL site would need a password to access, and should probably be restricted to existing members. This also seems a good time to say again what a wonderful thing our list is, and how sorry I would be if it got lost in the Facebook and Twitter era. (I don't want to attack those sites because they obviously work for some people. But to me, I would need another life before I could possibly find time for those things. And let's make that "another 7 lives", because if I had only one more life, there would still be higher priorities before I could get to FB. I don't know how others do it - I guess I must be very slow.) So thank you, Cassy, for posting those links about the oil spill here, and thank you Jerry for your friend's wonderful review of the JT/CK concert. Hoping to see you both in New Orleans! Lieve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: our website I completely agree that the Memorial and Jonifest sections should be members-only password protected, either in a JMDL section of JM.com or in JMDL.com, a very special place for almost 15 years. Les, thank you! And everyone here, thank you too, for everything. Take good care, Brian Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Lieve wrote: Sorry to respond so late, but I had very little internet access in the last few weeks. I was glad to see Les's request for comments about the JMDL website, because I had been quite confused myself about the distinction between the Joni Mitchell website and the JMDL website. And having read all reactions, I just want to give my strong support to what seems to be the general consensus of most replies: that we would like to keep the JMDL website for anything that relates specifically to our list, as opposed to what relates "simply" to Joni. To me, a section where we can remember members who have sadly died, is so important that it alone would justify the site. (I feel bad that more than a year after his death, we still don't have the tributes to Bob Murphy up, although I know Catherine has collected it all.) But of course there are other subjects: past Jonifest photos, info on future Jonifests, maybe a members gallery (especially for those of us who don't feel at home on Facebook), etc. I also think that it would be good to have the old posts archived on this JMDL site, although I know we can get them from the "smoe" archive. A good way to search those posts by topic would be great. (If a good search function exists, please could somebody let me know? Last time I tried, it seemed very unreliable, but I admit that was several years ago.) I guess the JMDL site would need a password to access, and should probably be restricted to existing members. This also seems a good time to say again what a wonderful thing our list is, and how sorry I would be if it got lost in the Facebook and Twitter era. (I don't want to attack those sites because they obviously work for some people. But to me, I would need another life before I could possibly find time for those things. And let's make that "another 7 lives", because if I had only one more life, there would still be higher priorities before I could get to FB. I don't know how others do it - I guess I must be very slow.) So thank you, Cassy, for posting those links about the oil spill here, and thank you Jerry for your friend's wonderful review of the JT/CK concert. Hoping to see you both in New Orleans! Lieve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:53:30 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: if... my ipod sometimes really put on the right song on the right time and today this came up this hit me hard for four years my colleague doing emotional blackmail on me, now im tired of it listen here: f you can keep your head While all about you People are losing theirs and blaming you If you can trust yourself When everybody doubts you And make allowance for their doubting too. this is so important sometimes we know we do the right thing but all we recieve is critic what becomes more and more clear to me is that the only thing we can do is to ourselves and our neighbour our children if we love our children and show them respect than maybe and hopefully they will grow up to be good and loving human beings who don't need to drag others down that is my hope thank you joni for reminding us of this wonderful and important and to the point poem... i include the new version of we are the world a song to keep the faith keep the hope we have to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glny4jSciVI bless oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:55:25 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Re: if... a really important word slipped out here the only thing we can do as i see it is to l o v e ourselves our lovers our family our neighbour keep the hope thanks! oddmund On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > my ipod sometimes really put on the right song on the right > time and today this came up > > this hit me hard > for four years my colleague doing emotional blackmail > on me, now im tired of it > > listen here: > > f you can keep your head > While all about you > People are losing theirs and blaming you > If you can trust yourself > When everybody doubts you > And make allowance for their doubting too. > > this is so important > sometimes we know we do the right thing > but all we recieve is critic > > what becomes more and more clear to me > is that the only thing we can do > is to ourselves and our neighbour > our children > > if we love our children and show them respect > than maybe and hopefully they will grow up to be > good and loving human beings who don't need to drag others down > > that is my hope > > thank you joni for reminding us > of this wonderful and important > and to the point poem... > > i include the new version of we are the world > a song to keep the faith > keep the hope > > we have to > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glny4jSciVI > > bless oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:06:20 +0000 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Pazfest II (NJC) Well, it breaks my heart, but, despite my earlier bravado about the money situation, it's just not going to be financially possible for Michele and I to attend. We would SO love to be there, but it just can't happen right now. Best wishes, safe traveling and love to you all. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills njc To follow up on Anne's ideas, here's a site that lists some of the items made from petroleum. Interesting that currently solar panels are on the list. Click on previous and next to view all the items on this list. We are dependent on oil in so many ways. http://www.livescience.com/environment/7-surprising-uses-oil-100225-1.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:47:38 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: Video addition in the Library: California Another video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: California - BBC In Concert, London, England 1970 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=205 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:04:11 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: Video addition in the Library: All I Want & For The Roses Another video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: All I Want & For The Roses - New Victoria Theatre, London 1974 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=206 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Video addition in the Library: All I Want & For The Roses Has anyone seen this one? At the beginning, Oscar Brand, the host, introduces a bunch of people named Chapin - the Chapin family. One of them is the late Harry Chapin of "Taxi" and "Cat's in the cradle" fame. And Joan is so young and fresh-faced. I guess she would have been 21 or 22 at the time. http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=73 ________________________________ From: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 7:04:11 PM Subject: Video addition in the Library: All I Want & For The Roses Another video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: All I Want & For The Roses - New Victoria Theatre, London 1974 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=206 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:33:56 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: Video addition in the Library: The Same Situation & Just Like This Train Another video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: The Same Situation & Just Like This Train - New Victoria Theatre, London 1974 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=207 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills njc The solar panels are quite ironic. ________________________________ From: M C To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 5:28:16 PM Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills njc To follow up on Anne's ideas, here's a site that lists some of the items made from petroleum. Interesting that currently solar panels are on the list. Click on previous and next to view all the items on this list. We are dependent on oil in so many ways. http://www.livescience.com/environment/7-surprising-uses-oil-100225-1.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:33:04 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: Video addition in the Library: Interview with James Taylor Another video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Interview with James Taylor - Amchitka / Greenpeace 2010 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=208 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:56:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Songs for Kate Rusby, njc I'd like to hear Kate Rusby sing "Mary", the song by Patti Griffin. I'm still not sure what Griffin was talking about but the sound, the sound. I think Rusby would do a fine job with Emmylou Harris' song, "Red Dirt Girl". They both have a talent for communicating sad songs. And you know, there may be more... Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #175 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------