From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #174 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 12 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 174 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Reposting - JT & Carole King - VLJC now NJC [Gerald Notaro ] JT & Carole King njc [Robert Procyk ] Re: NJC: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Our Website now veering off topic ["Cassy" ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC [Em ] Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC ["gene" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:37:33 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Reposting - JT & Carole King - VLJC now NJC I can't take credit for it, Em. Robert Vessenmeyer from Experimental Pilot wrote it. He works with me here at USF St. Petersburg. He was so moved by the concert that he wrote the review and posted it on his Facebook page. He said the band was just incredible. Check out his music! Jerry On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Em wrote: > wow, Jerry, did you write that???? > Wonderful! > I was there, and that captured the feel of the evening very well. It was > simply one of the best, most powerful concerts I've even been to. Happy they > are both so happy and healthy these days - and in such fine form. (the band, > too) > :) > Em > > --- On *Fri, 6/11/10, Gerald Notaro * wrote: > > > From: Gerald Notaro > Subject: Reposting - JT & Carole King - VLJC > To: "Maggie McNally" > Cc: "JMDL" > Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 9:54 AM > > OK. Trying again. I am posting in plain test. > > TROUBADOUR TOUR DE FORCE: JAMES TAYLOR & CAROLE KING > > Sunday night in front of a packed St Pete Times forum James Taylor and > Carole King both singer songwriters from the 70s mesmerized the crowd > of almost 17,000 fans with an arsenal of timeless songs and delivered > a stunning exquisite concert event. > > ....snip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:58:14 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: JT & Carole King - VLJC Several recent shows have been posted on bittorrent sites (dimeadozen), should someone want to listen after reading the review Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:02:01 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: JT & Carole King njc I am so jealous! This is the show I've dreamed about. I saw JT 2 years ago when he came to Saskatoon (I think I reviewed it here so I won't bore you with the details, other than he answered me when I yelled out "That's WHy I'm Here" and he responded "yeah, that's a good idea" but didn't play it), and it was the concert of a lifetime. My wife, who could really take or leave any of my musical obsessions, loved it so much that she said "I wish we could just follow him to the next town." Two of our kids are named after JT - My daughter's middle name is Taylor and my son's SECOND middle name is James (we gave him two middle names like he's royalty or something). Anyhoo, I belong to the Carole fan list or whatever it is, and when these tour dates were announced, I discovered I could have got prime seats in Sun Valley, Idaho, and, we'd be sorta kinda in the area around that time. I kept dropping hints to my wife that these tickets sure would make a great 40th birthday present, since my actual birthday was spent with 4 vomiting kids and one vomiting wife, and, I am not lying at all, I counted 36 times that they collectively puked in 12 hours - I gave Florence Nightingale a run for her money. Anyway, I was hoping to play the pity card, but she looked at me and said "so... we'd take 4 kids to a concert? Are you crazy"? and that was the end of that. However, with that dream out the window, I'm hoping that the just keep on touring and come to Saskatchewan. Weirder things have happened.... Happy Friday, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:27:32 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills From: "Rob Argento" > We criticize Bush (rightly) for trying to push a minority agenda over the > entire population. But should we then expect Obama to do the same - though > in the other direction? Being the leader of one political party and being > President of an entire people is quite different and so any president will > be steered somewhat to the middle. Yes, but Obama was elected by people who wanted change, not the same old sh#t. I'm totally fed up with the 'wolf in sheep's clothing' democrats like Clinton and Obama who pretend to be progressive and turn out to be the same, or in some cases even further to the right than the so-called other party. Obama's latest inexplicable move is to support a return to commercial whaling! I can almost understand him kissing the butts of Wall St, since they are his biggest backers, but stuff like this, stuff like escalating war in Afghanistan, supporting nuclear power...etc etc The whaling moratorium has allowed many species of whales to increase from their dangerously low numbers. It's an environmental success story, so, Obama, WTF? Do I want Obama to push for the agenda he was elected for? Damn right. I didn't have alot of faith in him to start with, but he has exceeded all my doubts. He's all talk. He has screwed his base, and probably handed the next election to the Republicans on a silver platter. Thanks, man. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:25:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC So I've been thinking "what can I do to help?" I can't clean up the mess, but I can do my small part. So, I've already stopped using plastic wherever possible. (This includes having my own mug and stainless utensils at work and bringing my own cloth shopping bags wherever I go.) I drive only when necessary and plan trips to use as little gas as possible. I eat whole foods, locally grown whenever possible. I turn off lights when I'm not in the room. I have a programmable thermostat that turns the heat down when I'm at work and at night. I put in blown-in insulation to conserve heat and energy. I use the cheap, flimsy toilet paper, which is actually more environmentally friendly than the super soft kind. (too much info, I know, but every little bit helps...) I'd love to be able to put solar panels on my roof, but that's unfortunately way outside my budget. I'm also thinking about getting a solar charger for my cell phone/iPod. Does anyone have one? Do they work? Does anyone have other ideas? (other than the obvious political ones, pressing for wind and solar power?) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:33:15 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Our Website now veering off topic From: "Corey Blake" <<< (And as if to poke me in the eye, Twitter seems to be down right now. Rightly deserved.) >>> Twitter... yes it's "now" it's aimed at what I call the "short-attention span theater crowd." So many of the next generation need to have news or information delivered in short bursts and tweeting is perfect for that. It's also how I keep track of some of my busier friends and family. Personally I don't tweet about my life but I do have an account. warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:08:34 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita G" <<< I just wondered if there are other folk out there struggling as much as I am with the dreadful nightly images of beautiful, once mighty pelicans peering through tar or drowning in the savage oil leak neatly engineered by British Petroleum. God, I am so ashamed and so upset. They may have Paved Paradise and now they've moved into Oiling Oceans. >>> I can't put my feelings about this into neatly packaged words though I can try, I guess. Before I do that, I have to comment on your own words "neatly engineered by British Petroleum." Do you believe this was deliberate? One has to wonder about the close connections of Halliburton and former national politicians and their desire to create a "disaster" for Obama to deal with. But then my son is a conspiracy theorist! For those of you who aren't on FaceBook I have posted several really excellent links recently surrounding this whole tragedy: What happened... story begins at 1 min 49 seconds: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490509n Some of the devastating results: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=174550&id=104290676526&ref=share (I hope this is a public photo page) A possible solution: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/09/kevin-costner-urges-congress-to-use-his-oil-spill-cleanup-invent/?sms_ss=facebook What's happening now for BP: http://www.truth-out.org/bp-and-halliburton-build-legal-teams-attempt-to-buy-off-government-officials60165 I want to weep with frustration! I wish to goodness campaign finance reform would get a move on. It should be illegal, at this point in time, for anyone involved in this mess to donate to anyone's campaign. The only campaign I want to see them donate to is the campaign to clean this mess up. I was very happy to see that prison labor is being used to do a lot of the hard work involved in cleaning up the spill, that is a pretty smart move as long as the criminals involved aren't violent offenders. The creatures from the black lagoon really hurt my soul. Somehow I was reminded of the scene from "My Cousin Vinny" where Marissa Tomei tells the story of a little deer and ends with "Now I ask ya, would you give a fuck what kind of pants the son-of-a-bitch who shot you was wearing?" These creatures don't care who is to blame! The only reason for "blame" is so that companies can absolve themselves of fiscal responsibility for the clean up... Bastards! I so want us to learn from this and not let it happen again but until outdated drilling equipment is updated, rusty pipes replaced and people put humanity before their bottom line it will continue to be an issue for generations to come. I want to scream! Cassy P.S. Here is the most recent article I've posted: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965?RS_show_page=0# ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC The stage in Tampa did rotate and was placed in the middle, rather than at the end. Sometimes it stopped completely, too, I think. Also helpful were the big screens overhead, so one had the choice of seeing them close-up or directly, but smaller. I enjoyed watching them from the back too, to be honest. JT was very animated and dancing around and it was cute really, the view from the backside. Kootch was fun to watch, as well. Also that way you get to see their equipment, amps etc, which is fairly interesting to me. Plus the back-up singers would sometimes face like outward from the circle and then there was another keyboardist, who played electric to look at, too. So with the rotating stage, it felt like there was always something of interest to look at. And then if you just HAD to see their faces, you could look up on the jumbo-tron thingies. I didn't realize the stage was part of their tour though. We were sitting about halfway up on one end of what is usually a hockey arena (haha) in a Club section that our friend had gotten tix for. Very swanky, with free eats and BEER! So we actually sat at a BAR watching. Was really a cool experience. One other comment: the performances were a little more rocked-out than on the PBS concert. I like it both ways, but was plenty happy for the rockin' the other night. AMAZING energy from them AND from the crowd! I don't recall such a response from what realistically was kind of an old, fat crowd (like ME, lol). But everybody just let go of that. It was transforming, the show. It took away everyone's middle-aged blahs. For the encores, people were stomping and beating on stuff like I haven't heard in DECADES! No lighters or matches lit though. Wondering if that's just not done anymore... lol! oh well. Excellent show. Em - --- On Fri, 6/11/10, passscribe@aol.com wrote: From: passscribe@aol.com Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC To: joni@smoe.org Cc: mark.travis@verizon.net Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 8:12 AM Hey, Mark, I recorded the show through the PBS (Channel 13 here) airing and watched it the other night with tears in my eyes... AMAZING sound quality and performances from Carole & James... brought back some great memories of the past for me. Speaking of "intimate" atmospheres, they are performing at Madison Square Garden in NYC next week and I was surprised to see that the stage will be in the center of the floor (usually it's at one end of the arena for rock concerts) so even the nosebleed seats at either end won't be TOO bad. Add a little "soft" lighting, and it will be just like they're in your living room, right? I wonder if the stage will rotate, however. But, at over $100 for a nosebleed seat furthest away from the stage, I will be content to watch the PBS show again. BTW, I'm going to see Todd Rundgren perform his Todd & Healing albums in their entirety in Morristown, NJ, in September, if anyone is interested... "only" $80 for a fourth row seat in front balcony in a small venue... not so bad. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC Nowadays people just hold up their cellphones. It just ain't the same. ________________________________ From: Em To: joni@smoe.org; passscribe@aol.com Cc: mark.travis@verizon.net Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 5:12:18 PM Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC No lighters or matches lit though. Wondering if that's just not done anymore... lol! oh well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:56:08 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: JT & Carole King - VLJC Jerry, thanks for posting the review of the joint concert with Carole King and James Taylor. At one time, I was a pretty big fan of Carole King. I think it wore off after "Really Rosie". But I have all of James Taylor's studio albums, some on LP and some on both CD and LP. I've seen James perform many times but King seemed to be reclusive back then. I'm glad she's performing now. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:15:13 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Yet another example, JC this time Joni said, >He sees the cars as sets of waves >Sequences of mass and space Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:34:24 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Em" Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:12 PM To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: CK & JT Live at Troubador NJC > > One other comment: the performances were a little more rocked-out than on > the > PBS concert. Hmm. Like I said, I haven't watched the PBS concert yet. Was it filmed in a smaller venue? I know that actors on a stage have to 'project' their performance so that it communicates to the very back rows of the theater. Acting for a camera is different. Much more subtle and intimate. Maybe James and Carole do the same type of thing in the big venues that they are apparently playing. They are projecting in the arenas whereas the intimacy of playing to cameras necessitates a more intimate, 'restrained' performance. I put 'restrained' in quotes because I don't want to imply any kind of restraint in emotions or energy. What the performers do is just not as exaggerated or big in front of a camera as it has to be to get it out to an entire large arena. Does this make any sense? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:09:36 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cassy" Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:08 PM To: "Anita G" ; "jonipeople LIST" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC only reason for "blame" is so > that companies can absolve themselves of fiscal responsibility for the > clean up... Bastards! > > I so want us to learn from this and not let it happen again but until > outdated drilling equipment is updated, rusty pipes replaced and people > put humanity before their bottom line it will continue to be an issue for > generations to come. > > I want to scream! This may be totally whacky and improbable but it occurred to me last night that there may be more 'drastic' measures that BP could take to stop the flow of the oil. But they won't resort to any of those measures because they might end up permanently sealing up this particular oil reservoir or making the cost of tapping into it again too prohibitive. Or whatever other options that might be immediately effective would just use up too much of their precious money. I suppose that's completely paranoid and nutty but so many horrible things have been perpetrated because of greed that I have to wonder. I'm not sure what kind of more 'drastic' measures could be employed. But there must be something more that can be done to stop this cataclysm (disaster doesn't seem to be a strong enough word, for me anyway). It just feels like what is being done so far is a lot of screwing around and that nobody is really putting forth the effort that the urgency of this situation merits. I don't care if it's BP, the US government or the military or whoever, somebody has to put a stop to it or at least put forth more of an effort to minimize or contain it. Imo, this should be a worldwide effort because I believe that this thing has the potential to have a negative impact on the entire planet. I wish I had 'the genius to save this place'. But I'm just a guy with average intelligence and I feel so helpless. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate Anne's suggestions and I know they are helpful in the long run. But I really believe if this thing in the gulf isn't stopped soon, it could cause irreversible damage that will affect the whole planet. 'Downer' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:28:29 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC Sad to say, but there are no quick fixes---BP has tried. Probably the only solution is drilling relief holes to lessen the pressure. Instead of one or two, BP should be drilling at least 4 holes. But at 560 million per rig I'm not sure that's going to happen. If BP had put in acoustical switches none of this would have happened. No matter how careful one is, accidents will always happen. That's why nuclear scares the hell right out of me. peace~~gene "You can go to jail for accidentally killing a deer, but you can bring on the extinction of a whole ecosytem's fauna and flora and not even be charged with a crime" James Michael Taylor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Scott" To: "Cassy" ; "Anita G" ; "jonipeople LIST" Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Cassy" > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:08 PM > To: "Anita G" ; "jonipeople LIST" > > Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC > > only reason for "blame" is so >> that companies can absolve themselves of fiscal responsibility for the >> clean up... Bastards! >> >> I so want us to learn from this and not let it happen again but until >> outdated drilling equipment is updated, rusty pipes replaced and people >> put humanity before their bottom line it will continue to be an issue for >> generations to come. >> >> I want to scream! > > This may be totally whacky and improbable but it occurred to me last night > that there may be more 'drastic' measures that BP could take to stop the > flow of the oil. But they won't resort to any of those measures because > they might end up permanently sealing up this particular oil reservoir or > making the cost of tapping into it again too prohibitive. Or whatever > other options that might be immediately effective would just use up too > much of their precious money. I suppose that's completely paranoid and > nutty but so many horrible things have been perpetrated because of greed > that I have to wonder. > > I'm not sure what kind of more 'drastic' measures could be employed. But > there must be something more that can be done to stop this cataclysm > (disaster doesn't seem to be a strong enough word, for me anyway). It > just feels like what is being done so far is a lot of screwing around and > that nobody is really putting forth the effort that the urgency of this > situation merits. I don't care if it's BP, the US government or the > military or whoever, somebody has to put a stop to it or at least put > forth more of an effort to minimize or contain it. Imo, this should be a > worldwide effort because I believe that this thing has the potential to > have a negative impact on the entire planet. > > I wish I had 'the genius to save this place'. But I'm just a guy with > average intelligence and I feel so helpless. Don't get me wrong. I > appreciate Anne's suggestions and I know they are helpful in the long run. > But I really believe if this thing in the gulf isn't stopped soon, it > could cause irreversible damage that will affect the whole planet. > > 'Downer' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #174 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------