From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #171 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 10 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 171 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Betty White [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Betty White [Em ] Re: Betty White [Mags ] Re: Betty White [Mags ] Re: Our Website [Anita G ] Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC [Anita G ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC ["gene" ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC [Corey Blake ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC njc ["gene" ] Re: Betty White (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Betty White (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Jane Goodall njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC NJC ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC njc ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:35:17 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Betty White I have no idea what Betty White said nor do I care. This is supposed to be a discussion list for Joni Mitchell isn't it? This local stuff is not relevant to this list. Maybe it should be kept to the Betty White discussion list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Betty White ah, if only Joni Mitchell would give us something to talk about.... Some fresh grass, not already-chewed cud. Em - --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Betty White To: joni@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 4:35 AM I have no idea what Betty White said nor do I care. This is supposed to be a discussion list for Joni Mitchell isn't it? This local stuff is not relevant to this list. Maybe it should be kept to the Betty White discussion list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Betty White Mark, Are you are pointing out the NJC factor? In my most humble opinion, I get a kick out of the funny quips and such. The gang's been having a boat load of fun . Yea, sometimes things slip by the radar. May the scroll be with you ;-) Mags in water logged Winnipeg - --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Betty White To: joni@smoe.org Received: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 4:35 AM I have no idea what Betty White said nor do I care. This is supposed to be a discussion list for Joni Mitchell isn't it? This local stuff is not relevant to this list. Maybe it should be kept to the Betty White discussion list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Betty White lol Em ;) - --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Em wrote: From: Em Subject: Re: Betty White To: joni@smoe.org Received: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:30 AM ah, if only Joni Mitchell would give us something to talk about.... Some fresh grass, not already-chewed cud. Em - --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Betty White To: joni@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 4:35 AM I have no idea what Betty White said nor do I care. This is supposed to be a discussion list for Joni Mitchell isn't it? This local stuff is not relevant to this list. Maybe it should be kept to the Betty White discussion list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:49:38 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Our Website My two pence worth is that Facebook doesn't interest me at all but I sure as hell would miss JMDL, wherever it is. Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:54:57 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC I just wondered if there are other folk out there struggling as much as I am with the dreadful nightly images of beautiful, once mighty pelicans peering through tar or drowning in the savage oil leak neatly engineered by British Petroleum. God, I am so ashamed and so upset. They may have Paved Paradise and now they've moved into Oiling Oceans. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:07:12 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC I am totally sick about the entire mess. We are headed for some very hard times in Louisiana and the rntire Gulf Coast. I am sitting on the patio of my sisters house in Honduras and listening to the bird song and the sounds of the mountains around me and thru this beauty I still have those dark images haunting me. Paz headed to Roatan Island tomorrow Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Anita G wrote: I just wondered if there are other folk out there struggling as much as I am with the dreadful nightly images of beautiful, once mighty pelicans peering through tar or drowning in the savage oil leak neatly engineered by British Petroleum. God, I am so ashamed and so upset. They may have Paved Paradise and now they've moved into Oiling Oceans. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC It's sickening and sad and a tragic f*cking mess. I think those pelican images will haunt me forever. What is going to be there for the next generations? I watched a documentary called "The Age of Stupid" the other night. Before seeing it, I didn't have a clue what it was about but, as it turns out, it dealt with the whole global-warming issue and our obsession with and addiction to oil. It was presented as a future archivist (Pete Postelthwaite) in a fortress of some kind in the Arctic, possibly the last man left on earth, looking back at images from our times, and then went into dealing with different people in various parts of the world and how this mess has affected them. One was a young woman in Nigeria, a country which has been destroyed by the oil industry and the fights for oil rights; a couple of young kids living in Jordan, who had been displaced from Iraq due to the war (and whose father was killed in it); a millionaire in India starting up his own domestic airline; an English couple working to get people off oil and onto alternative energy sources (and being fought on their wish to get more wind turbines built in their region): and a guy from New Orleans, who worked for an oil company but who had been a sort of hero during the Katrina days, rescuing people with his boat. I really think we can get off oil and that we need to get off oil, and there are so many reasons, ecological and political, why we need to do this, but the will just isn't there yet, and maybe, by the time it is there, it will be too late. So much of what we use is based on petroleum. ________________________________ From: Michael Paz To: Anita G Cc: jonipeople LIST Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 11:07:12 AM Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC I am totally sick about the entire mess. We are headed for some very hard times in Louisiana and the rntire Gulf Coast. I am sitting on the patio of my sisters house in Honduras and listening to the bird song and the sounds of the mountains around me and thru this beauty I still have those dark images haunting me. Paz headed to Roatan Island tomorrow Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Anita G wrote: I just wondered if there are other folk out there struggling as much as I am with the dreadful nightly images of beautiful, once mighty pelicans peering through tar or drowning in the savage oil leak neatly engineered by British Petroleum. God, I am so ashamed and so upset. They may have Paved Paradise and now they've moved into Oiling Oceans. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:21:08 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC I am ill over the entire mess. mack >I just wondered if there are other folk out there struggling as much > as I am with the dreadful nightly images of beautiful, once mighty > pelicans peering through tar or drowning in the savage oil leak neatly > engineered by British Petroleum. God, I am so ashamed and so upset. > They may have Paved Paradise and now they've moved into Oiling Oceans. > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:58:49 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC NJC Let's not forget the NJC y'all... - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Sad, really sad. peace~~gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" To: "Anita G" Cc: "jonipeople LIST" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC >I am totally sick about the entire mess. We are headed for some very hard > times in Louisiana and the rntire Gulf Coast. I am sitting on the patio of > my > sisters house in Honduras and listening to the bird song and the sounds of > the > mountains around me and thru this beauty I still have those dark images > haunting me. > Paz headed to Roatan Island tomorrow > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Anita G wrote: > > I just wondered if there are other folk out there struggling as much > as I am with the dreadful nightly images of beautiful, once mighty > pelicans peering through tar or drowning in the savage oil leak neatly > engineered by British Petroleum. God, I am so ashamed and so upset. > They may have Paved Paradise and now they've moved into Oiling Oceans. > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:40:30 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC I thought this whole thing had maxed out my level of dumbfoundedness. And now there's word going on of 2 or 3 other oil spills possibly in the Gulf of Mexico too. I just... can't comprehend it. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:27 PM, gene wrote: > This really SUCKS!! Bigtime. Hope it pushes people to realize our > addiction to oil will never have a favorable outcome. Sad, really sad. > > peace~~gene > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" > To: "Anita G" > Cc: "jonipeople LIST" > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC > > > I am totally sick about the entire mess. We are headed for some very hard >> times in Louisiana and the rntire Gulf Coast. I am sitting on the patio of >> my >> sisters house in Honduras and listening to the bird song and the sounds of >> the >> mountains around me and thru this beauty I still have those dark images >> haunting me. >> Paz headed to Roatan Island tomorrow >> >> Michael Paz >> michael@thepazgroup.com >> >> Tour Manager >> Preservation Hall Jazz Band >> http://www.preservationhall.com >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Anita G wrote: >> >> I just wondered if there are other folk out there struggling as much >> as I am with the dreadful nightly images of beautiful, once mighty >> pelicans peering through tar or drowning in the savage oil leak neatly >> engineered by British Petroleum. God, I am so ashamed and so upset. >> They may have Paved Paradise and now they've moved into Oiling Oceans. >> Anita >> > - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com Mailing List - http://coreyblake.googlepages.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:45:56 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC I'm probably just extremely naive here, but wouldn't you think there would be some sort of master shutoff valve built into the pipeline that could be closed in case of an emergency? That seems like construction 101. Every house I know of has master shut off valves for gas and water. Why would they not build something like at the start of the pipeline? Maybe there's a perfectly logical explanation, but I haven't heard one yet. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:15:33 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC njc Yeah! Very logical for sure---but the expense would cut into the bottom line. And you know, oil companies can't lose money. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC > I'm probably just extremely naive here, but wouldn't you think there would > be some sort of master shutoff valve built into the pipeline that could be > closed in case of an emergency? That seems like construction 101. Every > house I know of has master shut off valves for gas and water. Why would > they not build something like at the start of the pipeline? Maybe > there's a > perfectly logical explanation, but I haven't heard one yet. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:27:00 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Betty White (NJC) > This is supposed to be a discussion list for Joni Mitchell isn't it? It is, but for many years now we've had "fixes" for that: 1) Use NJC in your subject line if the post does not pertain to Joni. From http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni.info: _____________________________ LIST ETIQUETTE: This list is unmoderated - that is, no one approves or denies each post, they all make it through unrestricted to the list. Because of this, one main rule of etiquette should be taken into consideration. - - Always use "NJC" in your subject line if applicable: This is THE most important thing you will hear about on this list. What is NJC? It stands for "No Joni Content" and should be used anywhere in the subject line of any post you send to the list that contains no Joni Mitchell content. For example, if you are responding to a thread on the virtues of Yanni , the subject line of your post should be labeled something like "NJC- Yanni is the greatest." This allows those that aren't interested in this topic to skip it or even delete it without reading it. More importantly, the proper function of the onlyJONI list depends on NJC being in the subject line. Majordomo automatically rejects all posts with NJC in the subject - stopping them before they hit the onlyJONI lists. Your proper use of this will keep the onlyJONI people off your back! _____________________________ Just adding or alluding to a Joni lyric does not qualify a post as having "Joni content." Marking the subject with VLJC -- for "very little Joni content" -- does not quite cover it, either. The post either has significant Joni content, or it is an NJC post. 2) If the NJC posts really irritate, considering s*ub*scribing to either "onlyJoni" (to receive individual posts that contain ONLY Joni content) or "onlyJoni-digest" (to receive a digest version of the same). If you need help with changing your JMDL s*ub*scriotion, shoot me an email. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:28:26 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Betty White (NJC) s*ub*scription, not s*ub*scriotion ... sigh ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:46:16 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Jane Goodall njc This too: There's a saying, "We haven't inherited this planet from our parents, we've borrowed it from our children." When you borrow, you plan to pay back. We've been stealing and stealing and stealing. And it's about time we got together and started paying back. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:43:08 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC NJC Hi Anita, I did send a brief post awhile back about this quoting the line you have in your subject header. I have 'generalized anxiety disorder' so I won't go into where my imagination takes me with this awful thing when I let it go. Suffice it to say I think it's horrifying, upsetting and sickening. I also mentioned some time ago about seeing the Bill Moyers interview with Jane Goodall. This bit made a particular impression on me so I looked up a transcription and found the exact quote: JANE GOODALL:........I think E. O. Wilson is the first to say-- BILL MOYERS: He's been at this table before. JANE GOODALL: I bet he has. That if everybody on the planet had the same standard of living as us, then we would need three new planets. Some people say four or five to supply sufficient nonrenewable natural resources. But we don't even have one new one, we've got this one. So, do you think we've lost something called wisdom? The indigenous people making a decision based on, how does the decision we make today affect our people generations ahead? So, how do we make decisions today? How will it affect me? Me and my family? Now, how will it affect the next shareholders meeting three months ahead? How will it affect my next political campaign or, you know, something like that. So, is there a disconnect between this incredibly clever brain and the human heart? Love and compassion. me again: To quote the prophet Joni Mitchell again, if I had a heart, I'd cry. The madness has to stop and the world has to change or the planet will be f**ked up for good. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anita G" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:12 AM To: "Catherine McKay" Cc: "Michael Paz" ; "jonipeople LIST" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC > I didn't think I'd be alone on this one. Thanks for your responses, > Mack, Paz, Cat. > > Been playing 'This Place' a lot. > > "Spirit of the water > Give us all the courage and the grace > To make genius of this tragedy unfolding > The genius to save this place." > > Gonna need it. Thanks again, Joni, for finding words for me > Love > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills NJC This is the same point the film "The Age of Stupid" made - about needing more earths to supply our needs, and if those needs (maybe not needs but desires) go unchecked, the number of worlds' worth of resources we would need would increase accordingly. As well, there was a graphic showing the resources used by Americans/Canadians, compared to Europeans, compared to Africans and Indians. This was done as a human-looking shape, with the Americans/Canadians being big and fat, the Europeans a bit smaller and the Indians and Africans being quite tiny. (According to other sources I've read, Australians can be lumped in with the Americans and Canadians in terms of greenhouse gas production.) Interesting how our use of resources is reflected in our body sizes, since Americans and Canadians are on average the fattest and biggest people in the world, and we live on a diet of sugar and processed food while consuming most of the world's resources, including oil, just to feed our habit. And, as you might expect, the riches and the resources are, for the most part, held for the most part by a very small percentage of people in the world. ________________________________ From: Mark Scott To: Anita G ; Catherine McKay Cc: Michael Paz ; jonipeople LIST Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:43:08 PM Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC NJC JANE GOODALL:........I think E. O. Wilson is the first to say-- BILL MOYERS: He's been at this table before. JANE GOODALL: I bet he has. That if everybody on the planet had the same standard of living as us, then we would need three new planets. Some people say four or five to supply sufficient nonrenewable natural resources. But we don't even have one new one, we've got this one. So, do you think we've lost something called wisdom? The indigenous people making a decision based on, how does the decision we make today affect our people generations ahead? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:14:52 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC njc The government didn't require it, and it would have cost a couple of million dollars to install. BP's new PR campaign on TV: 10 million. Cementer of the plug that most likely blew out and caused the leak: Halliburton. RR > Yeah! Very logical for sure---but the expense would cut into the bottom > line. And you know, oil companies can't lose money. > gene > >> I'm probably just extremely naive here, but wouldn't you think there >> would >> be some sort of master shutoff valve built into the pipeline that could >> be >> closed in case of an emergency? That seems like construction 101. >> Every >> house I know of has master shut off valves for gas and water. Why would >> they not build something like at the start of the pipeline? Maybe >> there's a >> perfectly logical explanation, but I haven't heard one yet. >> >> Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:40:35 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC njc The spill might have stopped weeks ago if an acoustic operated valve had been required/installed instead of BP sending robot subs down to jack around with a traditional valve. BP is not required'installed because they cost a half a millions dollars (that's almost one percent, considering the rig cost 560 mil.) Brazil and Norway require acoustic switch on any well in their waters. peace~ gene p.s. if we produce and buy locally we can eliminate a portion of our oil dependence. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: ; "gene" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Gas Leaks and Oil Spills VLJC njc > The government didn't require it, and it would have cost a couple > of million dollars to install. BP's new PR campaign on TV: 10 million. > Cementer of the plug that most likely blew out and caused the leak: > Halliburton. > RR > > >> Yeah! Very logical for sure---but the expense would cut into the bottom >> line. And you know, oil companies can't lose money. >> gene >> >>> I'm probably just extremely naive here, but wouldn't you think there >>> would >>> be some sort of master shutoff valve built into the pipeline that could >>> be >>> closed in case of an emergency? That seems like construction 101. Every >>> house I know of has master shut off valves for gas and water. Why >>> would >>> they not build something like at the start of the pipeline? Maybe >>> there's a >>> perfectly logical explanation, but I haven't heard one yet. >>> >>> Jack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #171 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------