From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #169 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 8 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 169 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Our Website [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni Covers (Both Sides Now) [Happy The Man ] Re: Our Website [Corey Blake ] Re: Our Website [Jimmy Stewart ] RE: Our Website ["Les Irvin" ] hotel [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Our Website ["gene" ] Joni Mitchell Jazz Summer Solstice Radio Special [David Gizara ] RE: Our Website NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Our Website ["Cassy" ] Re: Our Website [Corey Blake ] Re: Our Website [Catherine McKay ] Re: Our Website NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: Our Website NJC ["Watts, Lesli" ] Re: Our Website ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Our Website [Catherine McKay ] Re: Our Website [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Our Website ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Our Website [T Peckham ] Re: Our Website now veering off topic [Vince ] Re: Our Website now veering off topic [Corey Blake ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:33:56 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Our Website Hi folks. You might have noticed that www.jmdl.com is down and has been for some time now. I'm surprised that nobody has discussed this yet. It's my understanding that it was created when there were some copyright issues over the use of some photographs I used in some of my wallpapers. The site didn't seem to do much else but house the wallpapers section and the sign up for the discussion list. It was meant to be the sister site to www.jonimitchell.com and contain all things pertaining to the fans. I thought the guitar tabs and other things would eventually be moved over to it too. My question to you ALL is, does this community need a website of it's own? Do we need to distinguish ourselves from the general Joni Mitchell information on the main website? My feeling is, yes but, if all it contains is the wallpapers then there's no point to it. I see www.jonimitchell.com as an artist site. It is the official Joni Mitchell website and Les has done an amazing job with it. It rivals any other artist website. It is sophisticated, eye catching, easy to navigate, informative, entertaining and a comprehensive resource but, I feel that we need to have a website just for the fans, for this community. I'm not sure about costs. I assume that if they are both run off the same server, there would be no added cost but I don't know how that works. Maybe Les could jump in here and explain it to us. If there is an added cost, that would change my opinion significantly. What are your thoughts on this? Mark in Sydney NP The Song of Amergin - Lisa Gerrard and Patrick Cassidy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:08:37 -0500 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: Joni Covers (Both Sides Now) Karen is or was dating Will Taylor of Strings Attached and was the main vocalist at the last Joni show, back in March. On 6/1/2010 10:42 AM, Susan Moss wrote: > Hey, Bob - > > Glad to help - I was actually going to send you the link to Amy's page, but > then I listened and found it cut out halfway through. So... I attached - > figured you'd want the full song... :-) > > Speaking of Joni covers that originated in Florida... in two weeks I'll be > hosting a house concert for Laurie McClain... who did a lovely version of A > Case of You with Karen Mal on their 2004 Live at the Main Street Cafe CD - it > is of course included in your ever-growing list! > > > > > Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:38:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Our Website In my opinion - no. JoniMitchell.com serves all of the needs of the community. I used to go to jmdl.com to see pictures of jmdl folks, but with the advent of Facebook and other social networks that's really no longer needed. I still use the website to update the Joni Undercover page as that's how Les has set it up. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Halo" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:37:58 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Our Website > My question to you ALL is, does this community need a website of its own? Probably not, other than that such a website may do a good job of "promoting" that the JMDL exists -- in other words, to draw new members to the group. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:53:13 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Our Website Hi Mark and all, The only thought I had was that it would be a great place to have an archive of the discussion list's conversations. Maybe I'm just used to Yahoo Mailing Lists (Groups) but it's nice to be able to go in and re- read things from time to time, especially with some of the great information that is shared. I'm sure there were some amazing posts from before I got here that are unavailable to me. - -Corey On Jun 7, 2010, at 2:33 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi folks. > > You might have noticed that www.jmdl.com is down and has been for > some time now. I'm surprised that nobody has discussed this yet. > It's my understanding that it was created when there were some > copyright issues over the use of some photographs I used in some of > my wallpapers. The site didn't seem to do much else but house the > wallpapers section and the sign up for the discussion list. It was > meant to be the sister site to www.jonimitchell.com and contain all > things pertaining to the fans. I thought the guitar tabs and other > things would eventually be moved over to it too. > > My question to you ALL is, does this community need a website of > it's own? Do we need to distinguish ourselves from the general Joni > Mitchell information on the main website? My feeling is, yes but, if > all it contains is the wallpapers then there's no point to it. I see www.jonimitchell.com > as an artist site. It is the official Joni Mitchell website and Les > has done an amazing job with it. It rivals any other artist website. > It is sophisticated, eye catching, easy to navigate, informative, > entertaining and a comprehensive resource but, I feel that we need > to have a website just for the fans, for this community. > > I'm not sure about costs. I assume that if they are both run off the > same server, there would be no added cost but I don't know how that > works. Maybe Les could jump in here and explain it to us. If there > is an added cost, that would change my opinion significantly. > > What are your thoughts on this? > > Mark in Sydney > > NP The Song of Amergin - Lisa Gerrard and Patrick Cassidy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:06:39 -0400 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: Our Website I do miss seeing pics from past Jonifests, but perhaps they are on jonimitchell.com and I just can't find them. Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Lori Fye wrote: >> My question to you ALL is, does this community need a website of >> its own? > > Probably not, other than that such a website may do a good job of > "promoting" that the JMDL exists -- in other words, to draw new > members to > the group. > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:49:01 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Our Website It would cost nothing extra to put JMDL.com back up. I just need a direction for it as jm.com pretty much robbed it of all its content. Yes, the wallpapers and the Jonifest recaps fell by the wayside, but pretty much all the rest is on the other site. I'd love some ideas on how to revive it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:48:05 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: hotel OK. Frank and I are booked at the host hotel. Our price is one half the rack rate. And so centrally located to everything. Come on everyone. Sign up for the New Orleans Party of the Decade. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:04:24 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Our Website You know, most of the musician websites that I belong to have the discussion group on the same website. I guess it boils down to control. Probably wouldn't make that much of a difference with me. But wouldn't the cost of joni.com go up with the increased activity of jmdl? peace~~ gene njc: I was listening to ESPN radio yesterday and they said that he refused life support and pain meds that day and that his last request was to shave his face. When asked why, he replied, "I'm going to see my wife today." Props to a great coach and even better mentor. r.i.p. Coach John Wooden - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Our Website >> My question to you ALL is, does this community need a website of its own? > > Probably not, other than that such a website may do a good job of > "promoting" that the JMDL exists -- in other words, to draw new members to > the group. > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:39:39 -0700 From: David Gizara Subject: Joni Mitchell Jazz Summer Solstice Radio Special Hello fellow Jimdles, My name is David Gizara and I host Thursday Night Jazz on KLCC Eugene, OR, 89.7 FM (NPR). Each year I do a special show of Joni Mitchell songs covered by jazz vocalists and instrumentalists. This years show is June 24th at 9pm Pacific and will feature sometimes multiple covers of about the top twenty Joni songs most covered by other artists. You can stream this show all over the world at www.klcc.org . As always, I can't do this show without the huge help of Bob Muller and he has turned me on to amazing covers, one of my happy finds this year is the Russian/Norwegian pianist Olga Konkova, some great reconstructions of Mitchell songs. David Lahm's work will be in there as well as others you all are probably familiar with. Please tune in. I'm hoping to send the show to Bob on CD again so he can make it available to all who wants it. Suggestions are always welcome. Thanks, Peace David Gizara davidgizara@epud.net Thursday Night Jazz Host KLCC 89.7 FM 136 W 8th Ave Eugene, OR 97401, USA www.klcc.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:49:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Jazz Summer Solstice Radio Special Glad to help you David - you always do a great job with the solstice special and I look forward to this year's show. I feel like I've kind of dropped the ball though in terms of feeding you stuff so if you have any gaps in terms of the top 20, let me know and maybe we can do a last-minute race to the finish. Bob NP: The Who, "Amazing Journey" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:04:31 -0700 From: "Watts, Lesli" Subject: RE: Our Website me too! and the gallery was so different. i guess i'd still like to jmdl separate, in my mind, facebook is really for other things- the passionate politics,family photos, gigs..., not that it stopped me from uploading a few stray lista photos. lesli ________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Jimmy Stewart Sent: Mon 6/7/2010 9:06 AM To: Lori Fye Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Our Website I do miss seeing pics from past Jonifests, but perhaps they are on jonimitchell.com and I just can't find them. Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Lori Fye wrote: >> My question to you ALL is, does this community need a website of >> its own? > > Probably not, other than that such a website may do a good job of > "promoting" that the JMDL exists -- in other words, to draw new > members to > the group. > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:17:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Our Website NJC Plus we kept the obits there, and that was significant too. Sad, but important I think. Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:17:31 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Our Website For me, the JMDL site is a site for we, the discussion group. As such I believe things related to us should not be available to the general public. Our archives our festivals our profiles and photos should we choose to upload them JoniMitchell.com should have all of the things that are of interest to general Joni fans like: covers wallpaper tablature lyrics Joni history Joni photos Joni Art Joni in literature Joni library of articles etc. But that's just my take on it. Cassy Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:23:14 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Our Website JoniMitchell.com has a log-in feature now. Maybe JMDL.com could have a log-in requirement to access the archives - I agree these things shouldn't be openly accessible to the universe. - -Corey On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Cassy wrote: > For me, the JMDL site is a site for we, the discussion group. As such I > believe things related to us should not be available to the general public. > > Our archives > our festivals > our profiles and photos should we choose to upload them > > JoniMitchell.com should have all of the things that are of interest to > general Joni fans like: > > covers > wallpaper > tablature > lyrics > Joni history > Joni photos > Joni Art > Joni in literature > Joni library of articles > etc. > > But that's just my take on it. > > Cassy > > > > Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity > ~ me ~ - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com Mailing List - http://coreyblake.googlepages.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Our Website I just figured all the jmdl stuff had moved over to jonimitchell.com or was about to. I like what Cassy says. I guess the only possible exception might be the wallpaper, if there has been an issue there with regard to copyright or whatever. Maybe that should remain on jmdl.com or maybe if there's a copyright issue, that should be looked at again. (If there is a copyright issue, then I guess that stuff shouldn't really be posted anywhere, not that anyone's making any money off it, and I figure, as long as credit is given and no money changes hands, why would anyone care?) For my part, though I'm on Facebook, I don't find the discussions there or the groups there work for me. It seems to be mainly people making comments with other people sometimes responding to them, so it's kind of like making a statement that might not be heard by anyone. Maybe it's just me, but I don't find that particularly conducive to a "discussion" of any kind, which is why I find this particular forum works better. As such, I like the jmdl stuff because it's all there in one place, and it's a place I find easier to navigate than a Facebook page, for example. Is there any mention of this discussion list anywhere these days, any way to bring in new people? I think it's possible that I'm just maxed out on technology and my brain won't deal with any more. The odd time I do go to the joni page on Facebook, it's interesting to note that there are people there whose names I've never seen before, so perhaps that particular forum does work better for some people. as for Twitter, fuggedaboudit. I haven't actually tried it, but what I have seen just confuses the crap out of me and doesn't interest me. It doesn't strike me as a forum for discussion, but for one-liners. Others may differ. In fact, they do. That's just my deux sous. To: Les Irvin ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 4:17:31 PM Subject: Re: Our Website For me, the JMDL site is a site for we, the discussion group. As such I believe things related to us should not be available to the general public. Our archives our festivals our profiles and photos should we choose to upload them JoniMitchell.com should have all of the things that are of interest to general Joni fans like: covers wallpaper tablature lyrics Joni history Joni photos Joni Art Joni in literature Joni library of articles etc. But that's just my take on it. Cassy Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:28:37 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Our Website NJC > Plus we kept the obits there, and that was significant too. Sad, but > important I think. > > Ditto on that Bob! I miss seeing the pics and posts about Wally, MGVal, Kenny, and the ones that were supposed to be created for Jim Johannson and Bob Murphy. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:57:52 -0700 From: "Watts, Lesli" Subject: RE: Our Website NJC i loved that, we all have a little piece of one another inside, even when we've never met face to face. just looked at the site. under my page there's a member search to the right. not sure how to access the archives though?! ________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Mon 6/7/2010 1:17 PM To: Watts, Lesli Cc: Jimmy Stewart; joni@smoe.org; Lori Fye Subject: RE: Our Website NJC Plus we kept the obits there, and that was significant too. Sad, but important I think. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:56:24 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Our Website - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:42 PM To: "Cassy" ; "Les Irvin" ; Subject: Re: Our Website > For my part, though I'm on > Facebook, I don't find the discussions there or the groups there work for > me. Personally, I agree with Betty White. Rose Nylund in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Our Website And she said...? ________________________________ From: Mark Scott To: Catherine McKay ; Cassy ; Les Irvin ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 8:56:24 PM Subject: Re: Our Website - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:42 PM To: "Cassy" ; "Les Irvin" ; Subject: Re: Our Website > For my part, though I'm on > Facebook, I don't find the discussions there or the groups there work for me. Personally, I agree with Betty White. Rose Nylund in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:44:20 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Our Website On Saturday Night Live she said: I really have to thank Facebook  I didnt know what Facebook was, and now that I do know what it is, I have to say, it sounds like a huge waste of time. I would never say the people on it are losers, but thats only because Im polite. People say But Betty, Facebook is a great way to connect with old friends. Well at my age, if I wanna connect with old friends, I need a Ouija Board. Needless to say, we didnt have Facebook when I was growing up. We had phonebook, but you wouldnt waste an afternoon with it. Jerry On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > And she said...? > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mark Scott > To: Catherine McKay ; Cassy ; > Les Irvin ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 8:56:24 PM > Subject: Re: Our Website > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Catherine McKay" > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:42 PM > To: "Cassy" ; "Les Irvin" ; < > joni@smoe.org> > Subject: Re: Our Website > > > For my part, though I'm on > > Facebook, I don't find the discussions there or the groups there work for > me. > > Personally, I agree with Betty White. > > Rose Nylund in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:02:16 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Our Website I forgot about the 'people on it are losers' part. I did *not* mean to imply that about anybody that used Facebook (well at least not anybody on the JMDL). Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gerald Notaro" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:44 PM To: "Catherine McKay" Cc: "Mark Scott" ; "Cassy" ; "Les Irvin" ; Subject: Re: Our Website > On Saturday Night Live she said: > > I really have to thank Facebook  I didnt know what Facebook was, and > now > that I do know what it is, I have to say, it sounds like a huge waste of > time. I would never say the people on it are losers, but thats only > because > Im polite. People say But Betty, Facebook is a great way to connect with > old friends. Well at my age, if I wanna connect with old friends, I need > a > Ouija Board. Needless to say, we didnt have Facebook when I was growing > up. > We had phonebook, but you wouldnt waste an afternoon with it. > > Jerry > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Catherine McKay > wrote: > >> And she said...? >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Mark Scott >> To: Catherine McKay ; Cassy ; >> Les Irvin ; joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 8:56:24 PM >> Subject: Re: Our Website >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Catherine McKay" >> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:42 PM >> To: "Cassy" ; "Les Irvin" ; < >> joni@smoe.org> >> Subject: Re: Our Website >> >> > For my part, though I'm on >> > Facebook, I don't find the discussions there or the groups there work >> > for >> me. >> >> Personally, I agree with Betty White. >> >> Rose Nylund in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:50:01 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Our Website omigod, Facebook is really insidious: just now I was looking for the "like" button to click on. :-( On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Mark Scott wrote: > I forgot about the 'people on it are losers' part. I did *not* mean to > imply that about anybody that used Facebook (well at least not anybody on > the JMDL). > > Mark in Seattle > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gerald Notaro" > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:44 PM > > To: "Catherine McKay" > Cc: "Mark Scott" ; "Cassy" ; > "Les Irvin" ; > Subject: Re: Our Website > > On Saturday Night Live she said: >> >> I really have to thank Facebook I didn t know what Facebook was, and >> now >> that I do know what it is, I have to say, it sounds like a huge waste of >> time. I would never say the people on it are losers, but that s only >> because >> I m polite. People say But Betty, Facebook is a great way to connect with >> old friends. Well at my age, if I wanna connect with old friends, I need >> a >> Ouija Board. Needless to say, we didn t have Facebook when I was growing >> up. >> We had phonebook, but you wouldn t waste an afternoon with it. >> Jerry >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Catherine McKay >> wrote: >> >> >> And she said...? >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Mark Scott >>> To: Catherine McKay ; Cassy >> >; >>> Les Irvin ; joni@smoe.org >>> Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 8:56:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: Our Website >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Catherine McKay" >>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:42 PM >>> To: "Cassy" ; "Les Irvin" ; < >>> joni@smoe.org> >>> Subject: Re: Our Website >>> >>> > For my part, though I'm on >>> > Facebook, I don't find the discussions there or the groups there work > >>> for >>> me. >>> >>> Personally, I agree with Betty White. >>> >>> Rose Nylund in Seattle >>> >> - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:12:51 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Our Website now veering off topic As this thread has veered off topic already: I don't give a damn about the well-scripted lines that fictional tv character Betty White is given to speak, given that her writers know how to pitch things for her geriatric fan base. After all, professional writers and performers play to their incomes, and just as Stephanie Meyer knows how to speak to/for her demographic, the Betty White, Inc. corporation writers know how to appeal to her aged fan base. And my last paragraph in this post will read as follows: So just because fictional tv character Betty White says it, don't believe > for a minute that Betty White, chair of Betty White Inc. believes it - after > all, it was her people's adroit use of facebook that got her the Saturday > Nite Live gig in the first place, which is what made her "anti-facebook" > scripted comments so freaking ironic and funny -, those who think she was > speaking that for real were taken in, in the very best SNL tradition, kind > of like people believed Martians were invding because Orson Wells told them > so... Betty White's use of facebook got her on SNL, she just took some > people for a ride! Thus is explained her long successful career in playing > whatever fictional role got her a top quality gig in the public eye! > So for those who took her quoted scripted comments as face value, you got snookered! As for facebook: Patti and I share 69 friends. Susan Guzzi and I share 58 friends. Suze and I share 92 friends. That is a nice representative triple play. It appears to me that I am in good company as to being active on facebook. (And Susan, knowing well the Wirtz family, I simpy say: Go Flyers!) I love facebook because it provides for me the right amount of being in touch with all 669 of my closest friends. Its like a little newspaper every day of what my friends are doing, the latest news from Michigan my Michigan, the on-going activities of Michigan elective politics (and I am care, being on the ballot again in August), the best stories of the day from NPR (generally posted by NPR and the JMDL crowd, thanks Patti for the Janis Joplin story today!). It is not a complete day without reading what Jeannie Kabirpour Garza posts on facebook, keeps me in touch with things that I need to be in touch with. It was fun folIowing the Neil Young concert experience with Em Alvarez. (Em, if you had been tweeting from the concert itself, it would have been great!) I can read the daily activities of my family in Michigan, people I have served in prior congregations, the children of my friends in their high school college, and post-college lives, the insights of my fellow White Sox fans. and I can share with them what I want to share in an easy and convenient fashion. No format is ideal for everyone. So be it. As Catherine McKay noted, it is not an ideal way to have the type of discussions that we have via the JMDL, as it does not lend itself to a threaded conversation. Facebook group and fan pages are not conducive to extended discussion. Thus the JMDL itself thrives as an ideal forum for continued in-depth group conversations. Facebook cannot touch that. But facebook's very success has been its ability to connect in other ways. I truly care about the news in Yael's life that she chooses to share, and facebook is a great medium for that whereas the JMDL would be overwhelmed and rendered useless by that same sharing. Because of facebook, it was discovered that globally (this is not hyper-speak) there were people who shared a vision that I also had: to find people with my rare last name. Facebook gave us the technology to simultaneously discover and connect with each other. We've found relatives from Iceland to Australia, and we figure we are relatives because most of us can trace back an ancestor to the same general region of Italy. I have found people born in the same home town as my grandfather! And it turns out, there are lots of us in Venezuela, and some in Argentina and Brazil, who had no idea there were any of us in the United States, and the surprise on the US side was equal, who knew we had such a large family in SA? And that we have family in Sicily was tough on me being an Italian elitist (albeit from the most rural of the provincial mountain towns in all Potenza...) There are a bunch of us in Florida (who knew? other than them...) and I finally made connections with the Connecticut family that I knew was out there, and that led to the Philippine relatives... And again, we've been able to trace back common lineage to the same region in Italy, but now, we are globally dispersed. And all of Betty White's writers could not have connected us if they had spent a year reading world wide telephone books, so fuck you and go to to hell, Betty White's writers. (I can't blame her for delivering her lines, millionaire divas only read the scripts, not write them. But her smart-ass writers - they are like Tea Party activists, like Sarah Palin - just pitching out 19th century concepts to appear to the fan base. And they know better than that.) As for Twitter - and I am cwsox on Twitter if anyone cares - it has a very different and useful purpose. Since we have no late breaking Joni news, it would not be practical for our JMDL needs, although her last two concert tours would have been a blast to follow on Twitter as people were updating us concert by concert, song by song, Joni-lista concert gathering by Joni-lista concert gathering. Extraordinary Lutheran Ministries has had great experiences with Twitter as we have conveyed the news of the step by step amazing process of reversing Lutheran policy on clergy who are gays and lesbians, and implementing the policy changes. It has a certain "you are getting the news instantly/you are there" feel which has been great for our communication and community needs. I follow sports, and I can follow my beloved Red Wings via Twitter, as well as the White Sox draft picks in today's MLB draft and the ongoing antics of the Ozzie Guillen boys. Not for everyone, not for every situation. Not for the JMDL, what we do here is not Twitterable in any meaningful way. But where there is late breaking news, Twitter is fantastic. remember the role it played in getting the news out from Iran's last election, and how it has allowed the opposition to communicate when everything else was shut down. For those who listen faithfully to Scott Simon's NPR Saturday Edition, it is a fantastic pre-show, in-show, and post-show reporting - "Bruce Springsteen is on this week, tweet me your questions for the Boss" and last week was great when he was interviewing the cellist and the cellist's kid came into the interview because he missed daddy - Simon's tweets on that were cute. So Twitter has its place. Like it or not, it has a role and a function that works for some people in some situations. Doesn't mean it needs to be bashed. Tomorrow night I will be getting a lot of election news via Twitter faster than it will be in any other media model. If Bob Dylan were to tweet, he might just pull out an old line (in under 148 strokes): Hey mothers, fathers, throughout the land, don't criticize what you don't understand, for the times, they are a'changing. Could be his facebook status too. Fun facts: the Official Betty White Page on facebook has 152,507 people who like it, 5 of which are my friends, 2 from the JMDL. The Official Getting Betty White to host the Academy Awards group (her writers miss no tricks.. hypocrites though they be) has 149,738 people who like it, 3 of which are my friends, none from the JMDL. Betty White's twitter following is 2,123, and there are many Betty White fans fan groups that tweet as well. So just because fictional tv character Betty White says it, don't believe for a minute that Betty White, chair of Betty White Inc. believes it - after all, it was her people's adroit use of facebook that got her the Saturday Nite Live gig in the first place, which is what made her "anti-facebook" scripted comments so freaking ironic and funny -, those who think she was speaking that for real were taken in, in the very best SNL tradition, kind of like people believed Martians were invding because Orson Wells told them so... Betty White's use of facebook got her on SNL, she just took some people for a ride! Thus is explained her long successful career in playing whatever fictional role got her a top quality gig in the public eye! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:53:52 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Our Website now veering off topic Such a passionate defense of social media! I, however, have no use for it. It is vile and beneath me in all of its insidious forms. Ahem... http://www.facebook.com/coreyblake http://www.twitter.com/coreyblake - -Corey On Jun 7, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Vince wrote: > As this thread has veered off topic already: > > I don't give a damn about the well-scripted lines that fictional tv > character Betty White is given to speak, given that her writers know > how to > pitch things for her geriatric fan base. After all, professional > writers > and performers play to their incomes, and just as Stephanie Meyer > knows how > to speak to/for her demographic, the Betty White, Inc. corporation > writers > know how to appeal to her aged fan base. > > And my last paragraph in this post will read as follows: > > So just because fictional tv character Betty White says it, don't > believe >> for a minute that Betty White, chair of Betty White Inc. believes >> it - after >> all, it was her people's adroit use of facebook that got her the >> Saturday >> Nite Live gig in the first place, which is what made her "anti- >> facebook" >> scripted comments so freaking ironic and funny -, those who think >> she was >> speaking that for real were taken in, in the very best SNL >> tradition, kind >> of like people believed Martians were invding because Orson Wells >> told them >> so... Betty White's use of facebook got her on SNL, she just took >> some >> people for a ride! Thus is explained her long successful career in >> playing >> whatever fictional role got her a top quality gig in the public eye! >> > > So for those who took her quoted scripted comments as face value, > you got > snookered! > > As for facebook: Patti and I share 69 friends. Susan Guzzi and I > share 58 > friends. Suze and I share 92 friends. That is a nice > representative triple > play. It appears to me that I am in good company as to being active > on > facebook. (And Susan, knowing well the Wirtz family, I simpy say: Go > Flyers!) > > I love facebook because it provides for me the right amount of being > in > touch with all 669 of my closest friends. Its like a little > newspaper every > day of what my friends are doing, the latest news from Michigan my > Michigan, the on-going activities of Michigan elective politics > (and I am > care, being on the ballot again in August), the best stories of the > day from > NPR (generally posted by NPR and the JMDL crowd, thanks Patti for > the Janis > Joplin story today!). > > It is not a complete day without reading what Jeannie Kabirpour > Garza posts > on facebook, keeps me in touch with things that I need to be in > touch with. > It was fun folIowing the Neil Young concert experience with Em > Alvarez. > (Em, if you had been tweeting from the concert itself, it would have > been > great!) > > I can read the daily activities of my family in Michigan, people I > have > served in prior congregations, the children of my friends in their > high > school college, and post-college lives, the insights of my fellow > White Sox > fans. and I can share with them what I want to share in an easy and > convenient fashion. > > No format is ideal for everyone. So be it. As Catherine McKay > noted, it is > not an ideal way to have the type of discussions that we have via > the JMDL, > as it does not lend itself to a threaded conversation. Facebook > group and > fan pages are not conducive to extended discussion. Thus the JMDL > itself > thrives as an ideal forum for continued in-depth group conversations. > Facebook cannot touch that. But facebook's very success has been its > ability to connect in other ways. I truly care about the news in > Yael's > life that she chooses to share, and facebook is a great medium for > that > whereas the JMDL would be overwhelmed and rendered useless by that > same > sharing. > > Because of facebook, it was discovered that globally (this is not > hyper-speak) there were people who shared a vision that I also had: > to find > people with my rare last name. Facebook gave us the technology to > simultaneously discover and connect with each other. We've found > relatives > from Iceland to Australia, and we figure we are relatives because > most of us > can trace back an ancestor to the same general region of Italy. I > have > found people born in the same home town as my grandfather! And it > turns > out, there are lots of us in Venezuela, and some in Argentina and > Brazil, > who had no idea there were any of us in the United States, and the > surprise > on the US side was equal, who knew we had such a large family in > SA? And > that we have family in Sicily was tough on me being an Italian elitist > (albeit from the most rural of the provincial mountain towns in all > Potenza...) There are a bunch of us in Florida (who knew? other than > them...) and I finally made connections with the Connecticut family > that I > knew was out there, and that led to the Philippine relatives... And > again, > we've been able to trace back common lineage to the same region in > Italy, > but now, we are globally dispersed. > > And all of Betty White's writers could not have connected us if they > had > spent a year reading world wide telephone books, so fuck you and go > to to > hell, Betty White's writers. (I can't blame her for delivering her > lines, > millionaire divas only read the scripts, not write them. But her > smart-ass > writers - they are like Tea Party activists, like Sarah Palin - just > pitching out 19th century concepts to appear to the fan base. And > they know > better than that.) > > As for Twitter - and I am cwsox on Twitter if anyone cares - it has > a very > different and useful purpose. Since we have no late breaking Joni > news, it > would not be practical for our JMDL needs, although her last two > concert > tours would have been a blast to follow on Twitter as people were > updating > us concert by concert, song by song, Joni-lista concert gathering by > Joni-lista concert gathering. > > Extraordinary Lutheran Ministries has had great experiences with > Twitter as > we have conveyed the news of the step by step amazing process of > reversing > Lutheran policy on clergy who are gays and lesbians, and > implementing the > policy changes. It has a certain "you are getting the news > instantly/you > are there" feel which has been great for our communication and > community > needs. > > I follow sports, and I can follow my beloved Red Wings via Twitter, > as well > as the White Sox draft picks in today's MLB draft and the ongoing > antics of > the Ozzie Guillen boys. Not for everyone, not for every situation. > Not for > the JMDL, what we do here is not Twitterable in any meaningful way. > But > where there is late breaking news, Twitter is fantastic. remember > the role > it played in getting the news out from Iran's last election, and how > it has > allowed the opposition to communicate when everything else was shut > down. > For those who listen faithfully to Scott Simon's NPR Saturday > Edition, it is > a fantastic pre-show, in-show, and post-show reporting - "Bruce > Springsteen > is on this week, tweet me your questions for the Boss" and last week > was > great when he was interviewing the cellist and the cellist's kid > came into > the interview because he missed daddy - Simon's tweets on that were > cute. > > So Twitter has its place. Like it or not, it has a role and a > function that > works for some people in some situations. Doesn't mean it needs to be > bashed. Tomorrow night I will be getting a lot of election news via > Twitter > faster than it will be in any other media model. > > If Bob Dylan were to tweet, he might just pull out an old line (in > under 148 > strokes): Hey mothers, fathers, throughout the land, don't criticize > what > you don't understand, for the times, they are a'changing. > > Could be his facebook status too. > > Fun facts: the Official Betty White Page on facebook has 152,507 > people who > like it, 5 of which are my friends, 2 from the JMDL. > > The Official Getting Betty White to host the Academy Awards group (her > writers miss no tricks.. hypocrites though they be) has 149,738 > people who > like it, 3 of which are my friends, none from the JMDL. > > Betty White's twitter following is 2,123, and there are many Betty > White > fans fan groups that tweet as well. > > So just because fictional tv character Betty White says it, don't > believe > for a minute that Betty White, chair of Betty White Inc. believes it > - after > all, it was her people's adroit use of > facebook that got her the Saturday Nite Live gig in the first place, > which > is what made her "anti-facebook" scripted comments so freaking > ironic and > funny -, those who think she was speaking that for real were taken > in, in > the very best SNL tradition, kind of like people believed Martians > were > invding because Orson Wells told them so... Betty White's use of > facebook > got her on SNL, she just took some people for a ride! Thus is > explained her > long successful career in playing whatever fictional role got her a > top > quality gig in the public eye! > > > Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #169 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------