From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #157 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 27 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 157 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Idol gossip njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir Trivia and a shameless coming out ! [T Peckham ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Producer errors (NJC) ["Randy Remote" ] American Idol Final (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Producer errors (NJC) [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Idol gossip njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Mags ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Idol gossip njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Idol gossip njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Idol gossip njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Idol gossip njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Idol gossip njc ["Cassy" ] Re: Producer errors (NJC) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Producer errors (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Idol gossip njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Producer errors (NJC) [Jimmy Stewart ] Re: Idol gossip njc hall & oates ["mack watson-bush" Subject: Idol gossip njc Best moment that never happened but would've been incredibly cool: Mid-show, Casey, Lee and Crystal announce that they don't care who wins, because they are forming a band, and walk off the stage. I'll say it again; best thing all season "Pants on the Ground" Flat-out wierd: Janet Jackson doing a spot-on vocal impersonation of Michael (1st song). Flat-out bad: the second song, her hair. Christina Aguilera to world: you can't touch this. Conspicuous in absence: Adam Lambert, Daughtry Singing better than the final two: Siobahn, Casey, Katie RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:18:51 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I realize I have to listen to DJRD again! I bought the album when it came out but never listened very much. I remember I liked Talk to me. I don't own the cd so I can't listen right now since I don't own a record player anymore but I will order the cd. A couple of months ago I bought Mingus on cd. Like with DJDR, I have had the album since it came out but never got into it. Now that I listened again I am absolutely amazed at how f-ing good it is. I can't imagine why I didn't like it the first time round but I guess it has to do with age. I appreciate jazz much more now than I used to. Thanks everybody for your thoughts on DJDR and making me want to hear it again! Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: ; "Leah Welborn" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > Oh, I've told this story before, but don't let that stop me... > > I didn't hear > DJRD when it first came out. In fact, I didn't own it, or Mingus for that > matter, until some time after I joined this list, which is 10-12 years > ago. > I've probably had those two albums for max ten years. > > DJRD is absolutely one > of my most favouritest albums EVER. I honestly can't say I had even heard > much, if anything, from it until I bought it, so, for me, in the grand > scheme > of things, it's still quite new. > > The opening notes just suck me right in and > I wanna go dancing down on Cotton Avenue! > > I think some critics may have > suggested it's not cohesive, that it's all over the place, but I think > it's a > complete story/arc that takes you all over the world and back home again, > and > I love it. > > I get what you're saying about the Tenth World being good running > music. Even though I don't run (hell, I can hardly even walk these > days!), I > find it great meditative sort of music to be listened to when you've got > something to do that could be a bit of a slog and need that extra kick in > the > arse to get up and going. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Leah Welborn > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 2:28:58 PM > Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > from Blue to DJRD is astounding.> > > To be sure! I mean, there were plenty of > artists who rocked the 70's, and > put out an amazing body of work in the > decade, but I can't think of ANY of > them who made the artistic arc that Joni > did. So much ahead of the times. > I particularly remember DJRD's release > because I was big-time on the Joni > train at this point, unlike everything > that came before C&S. When WQDR in > Raleigh said that they would feature the > album in its entirety at midnight > (a couple days prior to its release), I was > ready with my headphones and > tapedeck. As much as I loved Hejira, I couldn't > wait to hear what was up > next. > > The whole album is so dream-like (dreams > being one of its several themes), > and I was sucked in from that opening...the > mystical vocals and guitar > intro to Cotton Avenue, Jaco's bass all over the > place, the almost > overwhelming-ness of Paprika Plains, and so on. I was bored > by "The Tenth > World" at first but have grown to appreciate it - and have > since learned > that it's GREAT to run to. > > DJRD is a lot to digest, and at the > time it was 'too far out there' for a > lot of people who apparantly wanted her > to crank out another C&S. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:42:59 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: That Boy on DJRD Jamie, what a fascinating read. Thanks so much for digging this up. Mark in Sydney NP To Be Free - Mike Oldfield ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 04:08:17 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir Trivia and a shameless coming out ! There are numerous written sources on this stuff. According to Karen O'Brien's Joni bio, *Shadows and Light*, the choir was CSNY (plus Joni). It's hard to tell even w/repeated close listenings--partly because of the mix, but also because their trademark harmonies are pretty much not there: it sounds like they're simply singing in unison w/her, albeit an octave lower. The high harmonies I hear are hers. There might be more info in the reviews/interviews of the time. While Joni was still living in NYC, a beginning-level music biz guy named Elliot Roberts saw her at the Cafe au Go Go and quit his job to become her manager. She hooked up w/Crosby in Florida soon after, and he eventually got Roberts an intro to Warner Bros. in LA, and he got her her record deal. They both moved to LA in December '67, Roberts to sleep on the couch of another transplanted New York friend, Ron Stone, whose place was on Lookout Mountain. Stone owned a used clothing shop next door to the Troubador, where he was meeting a lot of the musicians who were playing there, including David Crosby. It wasn't long before Joni introduced Roberts to Neil Young, around the time of the demise of Buffalo Springfield. Elliot Roberts signed Joni, Neil, and Crosby to his new company, Lookout Management, and Stone became part of the organization. Lookout Management morphed in and out of various names and partnerships, most notably the Geffen-Roberts Company, and its roster included most of the Laurel Canyon elite. Roberts soon rented a place on Lookout near Stone's; Joni bought her cottage at 8217 Lookout Mountain in '68 (Nash moved in shortly thereafter); Carole King lived on Lookout not far from Joni's; I'm not certain what other musicians lived on that particular street at the time. Joni bought the property in BC in '72, and at some point sublet her Lookout Mt. cottage to Ron Stone. At the end of '74, after the success of *Court & Spark*, she bought the Bel Air home where she still resides, and sold her cottage to Stone, who apparently remained there until relatively recently. See *Laurel Canyon* by Michael Walker; *Crosby, Stills & Nash* by Dave Zimmer w/Henry Diltz photography; *Girls Like Us* by Sheila Weller; and *Waiting for the Sun, A Rock 'n' Roll History of Los Angeles* by Barney Hoskyns--(altho beware this one: I haven't read it in its entirety yet, but in the few sections I have read I found several glaring errors of fact, and Mr. Hoskyns has been called on that in reviews of other books he's written.) Terra On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Corey Blake wrote: > Hi Jamie, > > I've wondered who made up that Choir for some time. I never knew that CSNY > were in there. Is there a full list somewhere of who made up the Choir on > "Circle Game"? > > -Corey > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Zooby wrote: > > > Yes, I always thought it was the street where they lived. Apparently Joni > > took a wooden house while her place was being redecorated (though I'm not > > entirely sure if this is the same house that she lives in now). And the > > place she was renting was on Lookout Mountain with Neil, Stephen, Graham > > (unless he was already 'with' her) and Crosby all up and down the same > > street, with some of the Laurel Canyon ladies forming some of the rest of > > the choir. > > > > Much Joni > > > > Jamie Zooby > > Sent using BlackBerry. from Orange > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Corey Blake > > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:18:43 > > To: > > Subject: Re: Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir Trivia and a > > shameless coming out ! > > > > Hi Slim, > > Lookout Mountain Avenue is a side street in Lauren Canyon. I always > assumed > > it was a reference to that. Maybe they rehearsed and/or recorded them in > > the > > lower level of someone's house or studio on Lookout Mountain Ave. That's > > what I've always imagined, anyway. > > > > -Corey > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:52 AM, wrote: > > > > > Was there a Music Manager back in the sixties and seventies that had a > > > Company > > > called Lookout Management ? > > > Is this were Joni got the Idea for the Choirs name on Circle Game. > > > > > > > - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:33:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: holy shite batman THIS!!!!!! is AMERicAN IDOL! (NJC) Yeah, I think Lee didn't have a good night, and Crystal absolutely knocked her final song out of the park. I believe she's pretty much guaranteed $650,000 (not sure if she has to fulfill certain obligations to get it.) And I thinkshe gets $1MM if she does certain things, like make an album. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:56:17 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter DJRD is one I had to come back to to appreciate. And That was through listers here insistence that I would like it if I gave it another chance. And of course, they were right. Jerry On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > I realize I have to listen to DJRD again! I bought the album when it came > out but never listened very much. I remember I liked Talk to me. I don't own > the cd so I can't listen right now since I don't own a record player anymore > but I will order the cd. > A couple of months ago I bought Mingus on cd. Like with DJDR, I have had > the album since it came out but never got into it. Now that I listened again > I am absolutely amazed at how f-ing good it is. I can't imagine why I didn't > like it the first time round but I guess it has to do with age. I appreciate > jazz much more now than I used to. > Thanks everybody for your thoughts on DJDR and making me want to hear it > again! > Marion > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" < > anima_rising@yahoo.ca> > To: ; "Leah Welborn" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > > Oh, I've told this story before, but don't let that stop me... >> >> I didn't hear >> DJRD when it first came out. In fact, I didn't own it, or Mingus for that >> matter, until some time after I joined this list, which is 10-12 years >> ago. >> I've probably had those two albums for max ten years. >> >> DJRD is absolutely one >> of my most favouritest albums EVER. I honestly can't say I had even heard >> much, if anything, from it until I bought it, so, for me, in the grand >> scheme >> of things, it's still quite new. >> >> The opening notes just suck me right in and >> I wanna go dancing down on Cotton Avenue! >> >> I think some critics may have >> suggested it's not cohesive, that it's all over the place, but I think >> it's a >> complete story/arc that takes you all over the world and back home again, >> and >> I love it. >> >> I get what you're saying about the Tenth World being good running >> music. Even though I don't run (hell, I can hardly even walk these >> days!), I >> find it great meditative sort of music to be listened to when you've got >> something to do that could be a bit of a slog and need that extra kick in >> the >> arse to get up and going. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: >> "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >> To: Leah Welborn >> >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 2:28:58 PM >> Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >> >> > from Blue to DJRD is astounding.> >> >> To be sure! I mean, there were plenty of >> artists who rocked the 70's, and >> put out an amazing body of work in the >> decade, but I can't think of ANY of >> them who made the artistic arc that Joni >> did. So much ahead of the times. >> I particularly remember DJRD's release >> because I was big-time on the Joni >> train at this point, unlike everything >> that came before C&S. When WQDR in >> Raleigh said that they would feature the >> album in its entirety at midnight >> (a couple days prior to its release), I was >> ready with my headphones and >> tapedeck. As much as I loved Hejira, I couldn't >> wait to hear what was up >> next. >> >> The whole album is so dream-like (dreams >> being one of its several themes), >> and I was sucked in from that opening...the >> mystical vocals and guitar >> intro to Cotton Avenue, Jaco's bass all over the >> place, the almost >> overwhelming-ness of Paprika Plains, and so on. I was bored >> by "The Tenth >> World" at first but have grown to appreciate it - and have >> since learned >> that it's GREAT to run to. >> >> DJRD is a lot to digest, and at the >> time it was 'too far out there' for a >> lot of people who apparantly wanted her >> to crank out another C&S. >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:02:31 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Randy Remote wrote: > Best moment that never happened but would've been > incredibly cool: Mid-show, Casey, Lee and Crystal > announce that they don't care who wins, because they > are forming a band, and walk off the stage. > > I'll say it again; best thing all season "Pants on the Ground" > And the best segment in last night's show. > > Flat-out wierd: Janet Jackson doing a spot-on vocal impersonation > of Michael (1st song). Flat-out bad: the second song, her hair. > I thought she looked great but it was obvious she was lip synching. > > Christina Aguilera to world: you can't touch this. > She was knock out the best singer on the show. Rumor has it that now that her tour was canceled due to poor ticket sales she is considering starring in a Broadway revival of Evita. Now THAT would be sensational. Worst thing about the night? Chicago and Lee. Downright embarrassing. > > Conspicuous in absence: Adam Lambert, Daughtry > I'll say. > > Singing better than the final two: Siobahn, Casey, Katie > > Siobahn looked great, but I still don't like her or Katie's singing. Casey? I'll say no more.... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:38:34 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Producer errors (NJC) I never noticed the Manalishi one. There are lots of little Beatle moments like that. George Martin has admitted that going for the "feel" sometimes trumped technical considerations. In "Daytripper" there is a missing bass note (or is it guitar?) after the solo when the riff comes back in (they may have fixed it in the new remasters). In fact, here is a whole website devoted to mistakes in Beatle recordings: http://wgo.signal11.org.uk/html/alpha-index.htm RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 06:39:41 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: American Idol Final (NJC) Well, just like last year, the better person and obvious choice, in my opinion, didn't win. Ridiculous. I don't know what's going on or how the votes are being skewed but something is getting tampered with somewhere. Last year, I heard some rumor that because Adam was gay, the Christian vote worked hard to get Chris the top spot. Who knows. I do think Lee is good and I think Lee and Crystal ought to do a song together, but I thought Crystal was excellent throughout the season and Lee was kind of forgettable at first and then kind of came into his own. She completely blew him away in the second to last show. Well, as with last year, I think Crystal will completely outsell him out in the real world so whatever. Either way, they'll probably both have good careers out of it. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 06:46:59 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Producer errors (NJC) Speaking of "clams" in famous recordings I was stunned to discover a real stinker in "She's Leaving Home", from the album that some consider the best album of all time. I happen to have the digitized multitracks of about a dozen famous songs, including Bohemian Rhapsody, What's Goin' On?, Superstition, Is this Love?, and three Beatles tunes, A Day in the Life, Sgt Pepper's LHCB, and She's Leaving Home. I have all these imported into my recording software and have been able to study how every song was put together track by track, solo them to hear all the hidden stuff the mics picked up, and hear how amazingly rough many "keeper" tracks were in those days before unlimited tracks and time/pitch correction became available. One She's Leaving Home, after the first refrain there is a truncated phrase I always thought was interesting. It's right after the falsetto "She's leaving home, bye, bye" and there are three marcato cello notes taking you into the second verse. Come to find out, on the multitrack these three cello notes are followed by the lamest, most out of tune and badly played cello lick you'd ever care to hear. They razorbladed it out of the version everyone knows, which is why there is a bar missing. What I don't get is why they didn't punch it in. Someone must have been in the loo and only heard it after the cellist had gone home! And how about Louie Louie? Of course the whole record is kind of a clam, but there's a place where the singer starts the next verse but the band is not there yet and he has to resing the first line to the verse. They must have thought the take was so good that no one would notice! Dave On May 27, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Randy Remote wrote: > I never noticed the Manalishi one. There are lots of little > Beatle moments like that. George Martin has admitted that > going for the "feel" sometimes trumped technical considerations. > In "Daytripper" there is a missing bass note (or is it guitar?) > after the solo when the riff comes back in (they may have fixed it > in the new remasters). In fact, here is a whole website devoted to > mistakes in Beatle > recordings: > http://wgo.signal11.org.uk/html/alpha-index.htm > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:09:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc I was really dissapointed Crystal did not win but in the long run like Adam maybe it is better for her. Hopefully she will make a great record. I am unclear on how much money they win or if its just the recording contract etc. Either way they will have umpteen opportinities to do something with their careers because of the AI thing. My fave moments were Casey and Bret Michaels was alot of fun. I worked with Bret at one show and liked him very much even tho he is not my cup musically. He just has a really good upbeat spirit and he was very generous. He has been thru so much lately I am glad he got to get on stage and do something. While the performance wasn't WOW Casey played well as usual. If nothing else he will get scooped up as a guitar player with someone. I loved Joe Cocker with Crystal. Lee could have sat out on that one and I think he knew it. He kept looking a Crystal and it looked he was in awe. I thought Miss Jackson (YES I'm NASTY) loooked great and I said the same thing that the first song sounded so much like Michael. A couple of the guys in Chicago sounded worse than the contestants vocally. I managed to get about 3 pounds of cheese from those two hours and have them stored in the fridge for a rainy day. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On May 27, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Randy Remote wrote: Best moment that never happened but would've been incredibly cool: Mid-show, Casey, Lee and Crystal announce that they don't care who wins, because they are forming a band, and walk off the stage. I'll say it again; best thing all season "Pants on the Ground" Flat-out wierd: Janet Jackson doing a spot-on vocal impersonation of Michael (1st song). Flat-out bad: the second song, her hair. Christina Aguilera to world: you can't touch this. Conspicuous in absence: Adam Lambert, Daughtry Singing better than the final two: Siobahn, Casey, Katie RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:05:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc We watched Tues/Weds shows last night and had a lot of fun. Of course Crystal was WAY better than Lee, and of course that fact didn't matter one iota. I knew from the beginning of the show, when Seacrest introduced both of them, Lee got about twice the applause that Crystal did, so it was pretty obvious to me that the voting went the same way. Regardless of that, she'll do just fine. She did show a little range and emotion that I hadn't seen before, whereas Lee didn't bring anything to the table, and the last 2 songs he did were so-so, especially "Beautiful Day" which was just yuck. Most of the bonuses performances (call it the Geezer Revue for the most part) were enjoyable on one level or another. Joe Cocker looked like they found him sleeping under a bridge but he sounded Cocker-esque. Alice Cooper sounded SO bad that you could almost sense the sound guy turning his mic down. I think one of the skits they tried with contestants that Simon had dissed went awry, because they cut to commercial REAL quickly. Christina Aguilera is not my cup o' tea, but man oh man she has a set of pipes. Even the dreadful Lee-Chicago fiasco beat out the earlier Keisha/Rihanna and all of that kind of stuff from previous weeks. Paula Abdul still didn't seem totally with it. Oh, and I thought Hall & Oates still sounded great. I will say that Lee and Crystal sound pretty awesome together. They should do some duets. OK, so much for this season of American Idol. Bob NP: Ben Harper, "The Will To Live" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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He just has a really good upbeat spirit and he was very generous. He has been thru so much lately I am glad he got to get on stage and do something. While the performance wasn't WOW Casey played well as usual. If nothing else he will get scooped up as a guitar player with someone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc I was surprised that Bret showed up too...not that long ago, he suffered from a brain aneurysm, n'est-ce pas? He looked fine and healthy and happy (who wouldnt be happy after all). No surprise whatsoever, with the outcome. As everyone else has said, Crystal will do well, regardless. I figured Lee won by the positioning of him right beside Ryan at the end. With that said, Lee looked genuinely blown away, so I guess that was nice to see. Now, harness those emotions Lee and just go for it. the biggest surprise to me is that I watched this darned thing for most of the season...geeze Louise..what's happening to me!!!! haha Mags...watching clouds hover over Winnipeg ;-) - --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Catherine McKay wrote: From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc To: "Michael Paz" , "Randy Remote" Cc: "Joni" Received: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 11:45 AM From what I had read about Bret Michaels, I thought he was in a coma or something. How did they manage to revive him and have him look completely healthy for last night's show? I think Casey is a decent singer and he has the most dazzling smile ever, but I believe he has a much better future as a guitar player. He'll do OK. ________________________________ From: Michael Paz To: Randy Remote Cc: Joni Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:09:27 AM Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc My fave moments were Casey and Bret Michaels was alot of fun. I worked with Bret at one show and liked him very much even tho he is not my cup musically. He just has a really good upbeat spirit and he was very generous. He has been thru so much lately I am glad he got to get on stage and do something. While the performance wasn't WOW Casey played well as usual. If nothing else he will get scooped up as a guitar player with someone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc Christina Aguilera can definitely sing. The votes for both Lee and Crystal were very close - a 2% difference, I think. In the long run, I really think it will serve Crystal better, because she probably won't be in thrall to the AI Machine as long as Lee will. Whether it's fixed or not, I'd love to see the demographics on who votes on these things (especially age and where they live, and how many times they vote.) Lee and Crystal sing very well together and look good together. They should definitely consider joining forces. I totally agree with you on Hall and Oates. Theirs was IMO the best performance of the night. Lots of fun, and, in the geezer department, they've aged remarkably well. Is the skinnier BeeGee (I never remember which one is which, but I think it's Robin) ill? He looked way too thin. The other one (Barry?) by contrast looked very healthy. Overall, cheese and all, I enjoyed last night's show more than any previous ones, but I guess it's the geezer factor coming into play. There's more melody in the old-fart stuff, or maybe it's just my old-fart ears. I'm really not surprised at the outcome. It has happened many times before. Often I think people vote for the safest candidate, not that either seems to pose any threat to society, but Lee comes across as slightly "safer" than Crystal. As well, if it's mostly young girls voting (maybe it's not - maybe it's grannies), then the cute boy would get more votes. ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Gerald Notaro Cc: Randy Remote ; Joni Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:05:53 AM Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc We watched Tues/Weds shows last night and had a lot of fun. Of course Crystal was WAY better than Lee, and of course that fact didn't matter one iota. I knew from the beginning of the show, when Seacrest introduced both of them, Lee got about twice the applause that Crystal did, so it was pretty obvious to me that the voting went the same way. Regardless of that, she'll do just fine. She did show a little range and emotion that I hadn't seen before, whereas Lee didn't bring anything to the table, and the last 2 songs he did were so-so, especially "Beautiful Day" which was just yuck. Most of the bonuses performances (call it the Geezer Revue for the most part) were enjoyable on one level or another. Joe Cocker looked like they found him sleeping under a bridge but he sounded Cocker-esque. Alice Cooper sounded SO bad that you could almost sense the sound guy turning his mic down. I think one of the skits they tried with contestants that Simon had dissed went awry, because they cut to commercial REAL quickly. Christina Aguilera is not my cup o' tea, but man oh man she has a set of pipes. Even the dreadful Lee-Chicago fiasco beat out the earlier Keisha/Rihanna and all of that kind of stuff from previous weeks. Paula Abdul still didn't seem totally with it. Oh, and I thought Hall & Oates still sounded great. I will say that Lee and Crystal sound pretty awesome together. They should do some duets. OK, so much for this season of American Idol. 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With all the TV I watch now (that I never watched a few years ago), I'm ashamed of myself. I've turned into such a couch potato that it's probably time I sign myself into a nursing home. ________________________________ From: "FMYFL@aol.com" To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; notaro@mail.usf.edu Cc: guitarzan@hughes.net; joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:18:21 PM Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc Bob wrote: > OK, so much for this season of American Idol. > > Now you can get with your friends and start watching "So You Think You Can Dance"! :-) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:13:25 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc Now, all know I am a big Hall & Oates fan. I watched the entire show, I thought, but missed them. Good grief. Love Crystal. Lee gets no love. Chicago sucked cept the horn playing. Cocker sounded good. Bee Gees weren't too great. Won't even bother with Jackson. Ugh! mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:32:16 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc I have always liked Hall and Oates on a certain level. All their cover R&B stuff is stellar and honestly think they are both black on the inside cause they are so natural at it. I also like the stuff like Sarah Smile and One on One. The Maneaters and other cheesy stuff not so much. There is a video series on line called Live From Daryl's House. It is a really cool site with lots of archived videos. My friend Susan is queer for Daryl and has been following him for years is always sending me links. The latest release is a tribute to their old bass player/guitar player T-Bone who passed away suddenly a few weeks ago. A truly great musician. Well worth a look now that you have tuesday and weds nights free. I have mondays as well cause 24 is over for good. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On May 27, 2010, at 1:13 PM, mack watson-bush wrote: Now, all know I am a big Hall & Oates fan. I watched the entire show, I thought, but missed them. Good grief. Love Crystal. Lee gets no love. Chicago sucked cept the horn playing. Cocker sounded good. Bee Gees weren't too great. Won't even bother with Jackson. Ugh! mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:39:23 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc I thought about you when they appeared, Mack - hoped you were catching the performance. They did "You Make My Dreams Come True" with the rejected contestants pitching in on some vocals and like I said they sounded and looked great, especially compared to some of the other relics they were trotting out. Reminded me that I need to find a good collection of H&O on disc. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:13:43 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc From: "Mags" <<< I was surprised that Bret showed up too...not that long ago, he suffered from a brain aneurysm, n'est-ce pas? He looked fine and healthy and happy (who wouldnt be happy after all). >>> OK so it's no surprise to anyone who reads the JMDL that my guilty pleasure is reality TV (only certain shows... a girl has to have her standards) and I did watch The Celebrity Apprentice this past season. Regarding Brett Michaels, I have the utmost respect for his work ethic. He came into The Celebrity Apprentice first task on 2 hours sleep and nobody thought he would survive very long. While Holly Robinson-Peete is a really terrific business woman Brett surpassed everyone on tasks that boiled down to "creativity." Brett's doctors told him not to go to the finale of C.A. but, regardless, he showed up, he said he had to see it through to the end. Holly said at the final board meeting (paraphrasing here) that her son told her that he loved her very much but he wanted Brett to win the title of Celebrity Apprentice. In a brilliant move, Snapple agreed to donate an equal amount of money to Holly's charity, it was announced right before they told Brett he'd won. I got the feeling she knew already... as if they said before the show "Hey, Holly, we know you're the best but we're giving it to Brett because everyone wants him to win. As a consolation prize we're giving your charity an equal amount of money." Holly has an autistic son and her charity is the Holly-Rod foundation for Autism. Brett is a lifelong diabetic and during the filming of CA he had to deal with his daughter also being diagnosed... not surprisingly his charity is the American Diabetes Association. Brett had an appendectomy and later suffered a cerebral hemorrhage. After he had returned home from that incident he was rushed back to hospital again having had a TIA (a mini stroke). He has all of the baggage that comes along with diabetes. During all of these health issues it was discovered he has a hole in his heart and will undergo open heart surgery as soon as he is able to stop taking the meds needed to help him recover from his stroke (I'm guessing blood thinners). I was thrilled to see him on American Idol! For any of you who missed Casey and Brett's performance you can view it here: http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/bret-michaels-i-never-told-docs-family-i-was-performing-on-idol-2010275 It seemed appropriate that Brett appear on AI after Crystal's early season issues with her own diagnosed diabetes and I wonder whether that may have played some small part in her not winning. Also... did anyone else notice the Siobahn panty-shot at the end of "School's Out?" What a hoot! Crystal is one very talented young lady but she came in with that talent and did not noticeably grow as the show went on. Lee came into this process with talent but he progressed each week which, as the judges pointed out, is what the show is about. Personally, I wonder how much of that might have been a deliberate strategy to win. Warmly, Cassy Now caught up in Top Chef Masters. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:55:41 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Producer errors (NJC) From: "Dave Blackburn" > On She's Leaving Home, after the first refrain there is a > truncated phrase I always thought was interesting. It's right after > the falsetto "She's leaving home, bye, bye" and there are three > marcato cello notes taking you into the second verse. Come to find > out, on the multitrack these three cello notes are followed by the > lamest, most out of tune and badly played cello lick you'd ever care > to hear. They razorbladed it out of the version everyone knows, which > is why there is a bar missing. What I don't get is why they didn't > punch it in. That's really interesting! With tape, there would've been a gap of silence after the punch out due to the erase head/record head gap, I think. This string arrangement was not done by George Martin-he was busy so McCartney had someone else write it. Martin was pissed but produced the string sessions anyway. Mark Lewisohn: "One change immediately noticeable when comparing the original tape with the released record is that two edits were made of the cello, one after each "bye, bye". Paul recorded his vocal before the decision to cut the two pieces was made, and it was done at the mono and stereo remix stage." He says there were 6 takes, the first and last being the best, and they ended up using the first one. Paul and John both sang twice for a total of four voices. No other instruments besides the string section (hi Lama). Also says the harp player was the first woman to play on a Beatle track. > And how about Louie Louie? Of course the whole record is kind of a > clam, but there's a place where the singer starts the next verse but > the band is not there yet and he has to resing the first line to the > verse. They must have thought the take was so good that no one would > notice! They were right-a true classic in my book, it's offhanded garage band sound is a big part of it's charm. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:38:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Producer errors (NJC) I guess I don't notice these mistakes, but "Louie Louie" sounds like a bunch of drunk guys just making it up as they go along. I don't think it would have been successful if it wasn't so grungy. ________________________________ From: Randy Remote To: Joni Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 3:55:41 PM Subject: Re: Producer errors (NJC) > And how about Louie Louie? Of course the whole record is kind of a clam, but there's a place where the singer starts the next verse but the band is not there yet and he has to resing the first line to the verse. They must have thought the take was so good that no one would notice! They were right-a true classic in my book, it's offhanded garage band sound is a big part of it's charm. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:25:29 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc What about Survivor???? I luv that one. Mostly because of the exotic landscapes, but it is a good escape from real reality. I saw a few of those Celebrity Apprentice shows and did enjoy them. Paz (at the the Ogden Museum listening to Jason Marsalis) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On May 27, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Cassy wrote: From: "Mags" <<< I was surprised that Bret showed up too...not that long ago, he suffered from a brain aneurysm, n'est-ce pas? He looked fine and healthy and happy (who wouldnt be happy after all). >>> OK so it's no surprise to anyone who reads the JMDL that my guilty pleasure is reality TV (only certain shows... a girl has to have her standards) and I did watch The Celebrity Apprentice this past season. Regarding Brett Michaels, I have the utmost respect for his work ethic. He came into The Celebrity Apprentice first task on 2 hours sleep and nobody thought he would survive very long. While Holly Robinson-Peete is a really terrific business woman Brett surpassed everyone on tasks that boiled down to "creativity." Brett's doctors told him not to go to the finale of C.A. but, regardless, he showed up, he said he had to see it through to the end. Holly said at the final board meeting (paraphrasing here) that her son told her that he loved her very much but he wanted Brett to win the title of Celebrity Apprentice. In a brilliant move, Snapple agreed to donate an equal amount of money to Holly's charity, it was announced right before they told Brett he'd won. I got the feeling she knew already... as if they said before the show "Hey, Holly, we know you're the best but we're giving it to Brett because everyone wants him to win. As a consolation prize we're giving your charity an equal amount of money." Holly has an autistic son and her charity is the Holly-Rod foundation for Autism. Brett is a lifelong diabetic and during the filming of CA he had to deal with his daughter also being diagnosed... not surprisingly his charity is the American Diabetes Association. Brett had an appendectomy and later suffered a cerebral hemorrhage. After he had returned home from that incident he was rushed back to hospital again having had a TIA (a mini stroke). He has all of the baggage that comes along with diabetes. During all of these health issues it was discovered he has a hole in his heart and will undergo open heart surgery as soon as he is able to stop taking the meds needed to help him recover from his stroke (I'm guessing blood thinners). I was thrilled to see him on American Idol! For any of you who missed Casey and Brett's performance you can view it here: http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/bret-michaels-i-never-told-docs- family-i-was-performing-on-idol-2010275 It seemed appropriate that Brett appear on AI after Crystal's early season issues with her own diagnosed diabetes and I wonder whether that may have played some small part in her not winning. Also... did anyone else notice the Siobahn panty-shot at the end of "School's Out?" What a hoot! Crystal is one very talented young lady but she came in with that talent and did not noticeably grow as the show went on. Lee came into this process with talent but he progressed each week which, as the judges pointed out, is what the show is about. Personally, I wonder how much of that might have been a deliberate strategy to win. Warmly, Cassy Now caught up in Top Chef Masters. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:32:56 -0400 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: Producer errors (NJC) I don't think "Louie Louie" would have been as successful if it had not been for the misheard lyrics! Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On May 27, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I guess I don't notice these mistakes, but "Louie Louie" sounds like > a bunch of drunk guys just making it up as they go along. I don't > think it would have been successful if it wasn't so grungy. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Randy Remote To: Joni > Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 3:55:41 PM > Subject: Re: Producer (NJC) > >> And how about Louie Louie? Of course the whole record is kind of a >> clam, but there's a place where the singer starts the next verse >> but the band is not there yet and he has to resing the first line >> to the verse. They must have thought the take was so good that no >> one would notice! > > They were right-a true classic in my book, it's offhanded garage > band sound is a big part of it's charm. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:47:07 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Idol gossip njc hall & oates Thanks Bob. I asked a friend here and he didn't get them, Hall & Oates either. The local station must have pre-empted something. Why couldn't it have been one of the others? Referring to Michael's words--I wasn't a big fan of their mega hits and that period. Didn't like those tunes much. Mass popularity crap. I first heard them and dug them while in college way back when. Liked 'rich girl' and loved 'she's gone" (long version preferred) but didn't buy anything. Then came the big hits. I was digging others and ignored all that, other than a couple of tunes that were pretty good. After the big crowds were gone they started putting out their best. Their obscure albums really got me on their bandwagon. 'change of season' is so good it thrills me everytime I listen to it. (Daryl did a great version of 'she's gone' on one of his solo albums too.) 'marigold sky' is good from start to finish as is 'do it for love.' 'ooh yeah' has a couple of fantastic tunes along with some unmemorable numbers. It's a shame that the general public really only knows them for maneater, private eyes and such fodder. mack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #157 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------