From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #123 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 26 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 123 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Funeral music [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Funeral music [Catherine McKay ] Re: Funeral music [Anita G ] Re: Funeral music [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Funeral music NJC [Mags ] Re: Funeral music NJC [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Funeral music [Mariana Intagliata ] Re: Funeral music NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni & Jimi [Michael Paz ] joni & jimi [Leah Welborn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:10:23 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Funeral music hi Melissa. Good to hear from you again. Very appropriate to mention your father-in-law's preference for Vera Lynn on this ANZAC Day. Lest we forget. It must have been gratifying to be able to fulfil his wishes. I had a dispute with my colleagues about this same subject just the other day. They were all of the opinion that it's pointless to make any plans for your funeral because you won't be there to ensure they are carried out or to experience any of it. They just wanted everybody to have a big party and have fun. I'm of the belief that we should respect the dead and, whether or not they can experience it or not, a person's final wishes are sacred. As for an appropriate Joni song for a funeral, I think it should be an individual thing: a Joni song that expresses you as a person or how you feel about life or what is important. In general terms, The Circle Game seems to be an appropriate song about life. This Place is an expression of satisfaction with home and mentions Heaven. Mark also in Sydney NP The Tenth World - Joni PS Glad to see I'm not the only one who has been hanging out for Winter. Bring it on! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Funeral music I've always thought "Hejira" would be a good one. "Love" kind of springs to mind because these words of St Paul are often used at either weddings or funerals (interesting how they can work for both.) "Songs to again children come" was used in a funeral scene in the "Alice's Restaurant" movie. I'm just saying. It wouldn't be my choice. "BSN" would definitely work. Here's a list. Some of them are sick humour. Others would be appropriate for certain types of people. It would probably help if there were Joni fans at the funeral. "River" "A case of you" "Sweet bird" "Shadows and light" "A chair in the sky" "God must be a boogie man" "Impossible dreamer" "My best to you" "Let the wind carry me" (This is serious, but humourous too if I'm cremated) "This flight tonight" (if I die in a plane crash.) "Dog eat dog" (if I'm really cynical, or am eaten by dogs/wolves) I like your choice of "Highway to hell." But I think, if I wanted to get the tears going, I'd want Jane Siberry's "The Valley" as sung by kd lang. And then maybe follow that with something funny like Monty Python's "Always look at the bright side of life." ________________________________ From: Melissa Gibbs To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 9:03:09 PM Subject: Funeral music Which leads me to consult the list - what Joni song would you like played at your funeral? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:18 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Funeral music Hi Melissa and Mark Yes, I'd like to add my voice to remember all soldiers everywhere on Anzac Day. In relation to one's own funeral, I have had it planned for some time, not through gloominess but because I've been to so many funerals recently that have not, in my view, reflected the person I knew. Also, my own Mother (now 83 and highly disabled) doesnt want to plan it at all, so I am left wondering quite what she wants. I just dont want to do that to those around me. Mark, I have also been to so many funerals where people want everyone to come in bright clothes, celebrate the life of the person gone and have a 'party and fun'. Well I want lots of weeping, people to be dressed in black because I will be greatly missed :~)))!!! (Not much narcissism or grandiosity there then). We are all particles of change, I know, I know. So, to start I want Hejira (the song) played because it says everything about existence that I ever wanted to say. If people make it to the end of that long old song, I want someone to play Both Sides Now and for everyone to sing it (instead of a hymn). The, because its my absolute favourite, started my love of Joni and connects me to my 14 year old self, Id like people to listen to The Dawntreader. Steph and Id favourite film is Calamity Jane. We had Secret Love played at our civil partnership, so I always said I wanted my coffin to enter the back door to The Deadwood Stage! However, I recently went to a funeral that had a lone piper piping my friend in and it was absolutely brilliant. Full of gravitas and very haunting. Im not Scottish, but it was rather splendid. I havent got my readings sorted yet, but probably a few things from Kahil Gibrans The Prophet, possibly about Marriage and Death. I want to be cremated (unlike Steph who wants to be buried, so we have some planning to do there. Shes definitely earth to my flying fire). I would really love a violinist to play the beginning of Vaughan Williams The Lark Ascending as I go towards the fire. I did a Medicine Wheel ceremony once, and the animal I was given was a lark, so it has a lot of meaning for me in all kind of ways  not least larking about! Of course, my ashes have to be scattered to I just blew in from the Windy City. I told Bob off list that I have been very active on list recently, because I have been finding comfort and distraction here on JMDL. I do a lot of caring for my Mother at the moment, whom I thought was on her way out, but has, in fact, improved. I am also awaiting results of a few medical tests myself which is a wee bit scary. For many on JMDL, over many years, thats just their bread and butter. I then remember Wally, Smurph, Mary Grace, Andrea, Mags brother and family. I remember Monica went through a lot with her Mother. I am sure there are more that I may have forgotten and Im sorry if I have. It feels personally a very hard time and I sometimes wonder how we human beings ever manage all the grief and sadness we have in our lives. And then Joni does it again. She writes: In the church they light the candles..etc. etc. No wonder I love her music so much. Lots of love Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:41:48 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Funeral music Oh Anita, I found your post so moving and I learned so much more about you and the way you think/feel. Earth and fire, huh? Just feel lucky that you're not water like me. I put out fire and turn earth to mud. What I left out of my story of the debate with my colleagues was my side of it. After them animatedly telling of the celebration they wanted when they die, to their horror, I said exactly what you did; I want women dressed in black with veils, weeping uncontrollably. I think they thought of me as selfish for wanting people to be sad. It's not that I want them to feel bad, I just need to have made an impression on someone. To know that I will be missed, that I wasn't insignificant and that I can stir an emotion in someone. You see, I can cry at the knowledge of anyone's death, whether I even knew them or not. I have only been to one funeral - my mother's. She was also always of the mind that people should feel happy at her funeral. It was somewhere in the middle, filled with personal touches which she would have liked. If she knew me at all, she knew there was no way that I was ever going to be happy at losing the closest person in my life, my friend, my mentor, my mother. Is this just a matter of perspective? Is perspective all that we are anyway? She was a true atheist. She gave no thought to any kind of afterlife and was happy to be cremated. Not me, I want to laid out in a glass casket like Snow White, surrounded by bouquets of flowers, a string quartet and woodland animals sitting by my side. Throngs of mourners weeping into the late evening and a memorial erected. Hejira crossed my mind too, Anita but, it seems to be a mourning of the passing of a relationship rather than a person. On the other hand, Joni says a lot of things that are appropriate to just passing. The melancholy and the need for "coupling" is maybe prophetically appropriate for a final thought. The Dawntreader has always been special to me too, Anita. There is a sadness to that song. Maybe the message of a farewell in those lyrics are appropriate to a funeral after all. It seems to be about a new chapter and the sadness of leaving someone behind. As I watch the old men in the Dawn Service and the ANZAC parade, I think of what they have seen. These men in their nineties with the passage of time written on their faces and the horrible memories of war. There are only a few left now from the first "Great War" but the streets were packed with veterans. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, East Timor, Afghanistan, Iraq. The wars just go on and on. Study war no more... Mark in Sydney NP The Tea Leaf Prophecy - Joni On 26/04/2010, at 9:42 PM, Anita G wrote: > Hi Melissa and Mark > > Yes, I'd like to add my voice to remember all soldiers everywhere on > Anzac Day. > > In relation to one's own funeral, I have had it planned for some time, > not through gloominess but because I've been to so many funerals > recently that have not, in my view, reflected the person I knew. Also, > my own Mother (now 83 and highly disabled) doesnt want to plan it at > all, so I am left wondering quite what she wants. I just dont want to > do that to those around me. > > Mark, I have also been to so many funerals where people want everyone > to come in bright clothes, celebrate the life of the person gone and > have a 'party and fun'. Well I want lots of weeping, people to be > dressed in black because I will be greatly missed :~)))!!! (Not much > narcissism or grandiosity there then). We are all particles of change, > I know, I know. > > So, to start I want Hejira (the song) played because it says > everything about existence that I ever wanted to say. If people make > it to the end of that long old song, I want someone to play Both Sides > Now and for everyone to sing it (instead of a hymn). The, because its > my absolute favourite, started my love of Joni and connects me to my > 14 year old self, Id like people to listen to The Dawntreader. > > Steph and Id favourite film is Calamity Jane. We had Secret Love > played at our civil partnership, so I always said I wanted my coffin > to enter the back door to The Deadwood Stage! However, I recently went > to a funeral that had a lone piper piping my friend in and it was > absolutely brilliant. Full of gravitas and very haunting. Im not > Scottish, but it was rather splendid. > > I havent got my readings sorted yet, but probably a few things from > Kahil Gibrans The Prophet, possibly about Marriage and Death. I > want to be cremated (unlike Steph who wants to be buried, so we have > some planning to do there. Shes definitely earth to my flying fire). > I would really love a violinist to play the beginning of Vaughan > Williams The Lark Ascending as I go towards the fire. I did a > Medicine Wheel ceremony once, and the animal I was given was a lark, > so it has a lot of meaning for me in all kind of ways  not least > larking about! Of course, my ashes have to be scattered to I just > blew in from the Windy City. > > I told Bob off list that I have been very active on list recently, > because I have been finding comfort and distraction here on JMDL. I do > a lot of caring for my Mother at the moment, whom I thought was on her > way out, but has, in fact, improved. I am also awaiting results of a > few medical tests myself which is a wee bit scary. For many on JMDL, > over many years, thats just their bread and butter. I then remember > Wally, Smurph, Mary Grace, Andrea, Mags brother and family. I > remember Monica went through a lot with her Mother. I am sure there > are more that I may have forgotten and Im sorry if I have. > > It feels personally a very hard time and I sometimes wonder how we > human beings ever manage all the grief and sadness we have in our > lives. And then Joni does it again. She writes: > In the church they light the candles..etc. etc. > > No wonder I love her music so much. > Lots of love > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Funeral music NJC I dont know what Joni song(s) Id like at my funeral...(such a weird concept, no wonder it's hard to land on that reality. Anyway...Id like people to be dressed in black and to express their love and care for me too. Anita, Ive felt similar to you in that Im finding this space a great place to hang and am enjoying it more these days. This has been a bad year for my family, we've just lost another family member which is so sad. Being away from family certainly has it's disadvantages when it's someone you adored for a life time. thank you Anita for mentioning my brother Dave. It's impossible to believe that it has been nearly 7 years now, this August, and the missing him never really leaves. Ive built a small memorial garden in his honour outside my window, and it helps me to sit and tend to it, to bring some Dave-ness that I can touch and somehow be soothed. He loved to garden so it's a great way to connect to him, with him. Silent moments treasured, the heart pines for him still. I find myself picking up the phone, ask his advice on things, gain reassurance that only he could give, hear his goofy laugh, and experience that long lasting hug one more time. And then that terrible steel door of reality slams and it's always that full stop oh damn, I cant do that anymore. Grief changes, whips in your face like a cold wintry wind, and sometimes is softened by those elements and memories of my best beloved brother. The impact of his life , the loss of his life is felt far and wide. Still. My hope is that he knows this. It is not easier, it is a part of my landscape, a giant crater at times. His funeral did not represent who he was, in my most humble opinion. It felt very sterile, the saving grace being that his music was played throughout, which was at once searing and soothing. Fire and rain. this is getting way too personal..and I promised myself I wouldnt lay myself out for all eyes to see and bear witness to here, having done that so much in the past, wanting to protect my inner sanctum however, I couldnt help but chime in. I also want to say Anita, I always appreciate your tenderness, your wonderful sensitive posts. I feel your support still, as I do so many of the lovely jmdlers who came to the foxhole and lifted my spirits with care and concern. If we offer the support and care you need in those more fragile moments, then Im glad to be here along side. much love and care always Mags - --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Anita G wrote: From: Anita G Subject: Re: Funeral music To: "Mark-Leon Thorne" Cc: migibbs@optusnet.com.au, "jonipeople LIST" Received: Monday, April 26, 2010, 7:42 AM Hi Melissa and Mark Yes, I'd like to add my voice to remember all soldiers everywhere on Anzac Day. In relation to one's own funeral, I have had it planned for some time, not through gloominess but because I've been to so many funerals recently that have not, in my view, reflected the person I knew. Also, my own Mother (now 83 and highly disabled) doesnt want to plan it at all, so I am left wondering quite what she wants. I just dont want to do that to those around me. Mark, I have also been to so many funerals where people want everyone to come in bright clothes, celebrate the life of the person gone and have a 'party and fun'. Well I want lots of weeping, people to be dressed in black because I will be greatly missed :~)))!!! (Not much narcissism or grandiosity there then). We are all particles of change, I know, I know. So, to start I want Hejira (the song) played because it says everything about existence that I ever wanted to say. If people make it to the end of that long old song, I want someone to play Both Sides Now and for everyone to sing it (instead of a hymn). The, because its my absolute favourite, started my love of Joni and connects me to my 14 year old self, Id like people to listen to The Dawntreader. Steph and Id favourite film is Calamity Jane. We had Secret Love played at our civil partnership, so I always said I wanted my coffin to enter the back door to The Deadwood Stage! However, I recently went to a funeral that had a lone piper piping my friend in and it was absolutely brilliant. Full of gravitas and very haunting. Im not Scottish, but it was rather splendid. I havent got my readings sorted yet, but probably a few things from Kahil Gibrans The Prophet, possibly about Marriage and Death. I want to be cremated (unlike Steph who wants to be buried, so we have some planning to do there. Shes definitely earth to my flying fire). I would really love a violinist to play the beginning of Vaughan Williams The Lark Ascending as I go towards the fire. I did a Medicine Wheel ceremony once, and the animal I was given was a lark, so it has a lot of meaning for me in all kind of ways not least larking about! Of course, my ashes have to be scattered to I just blew in from the Windy City. I told Bob off list that I have been very active on list recently, because I have been finding comfort and distraction here on JMDL. I do a lot of caring for my Mother at the moment, whom I thought was on her way out, but has, in fact, improved. I am also awaiting results of a few medical tests myself which is a wee bit scary. For many on JMDL, over many years, thats just their bread and butter. I then remember Wally, Smurph, Mary Grace, Andrea, Mags brother and family. I remember Monica went through a lot with her Mother. I am sure there are more that I may have forgotten and Im sorry if I have. It feels personally a very hard time and I sometimes wonder how we human beings ever manage all the grief and sadness we have in our lives. And then Joni does it again. She writes: In the church they light the candles..etc. etc. No wonder I love her music so much. Lots of love Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:21:32 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Funeral music NJC I have sung The Circle Game at many different occasions, weddings, funerals, et al. It is the perfect song for any stage of life. Jerry On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Mags wrote: > I dont know what Joni song(s) Id like at my funeral...(such a weird > concept, > no wonder it's hard to land on that reality. Anyway...Id like people to be > dressed in black and to express their love and care for me too. > > Anita, Ive felt similar to you in that Im finding this space a great place > to > hang and am enjoying it more these days. This has been a bad year for my > family, we've just lost another family member which is so sad. Being away > from > family certainly has it's disadvantages when it's someone you adored for a > life time. > > thank you Anita for mentioning my brother Dave. It's impossible to believe > that it has been nearly 7 years now, this August, and the missing him never > really leaves. Ive built a small memorial garden in his honour outside my > window, and it helps me to sit and tend to it, to bring some Dave-ness that > I > can touch and somehow be soothed. > > He loved to garden so it's a great way to connect to him, with him. Silent > moments treasured, the heart pines for him still. I find myself picking up > the > phone, ask his advice on things, gain reassurance that only he could > give, > hear his goofy laugh, and experience that long lasting hug one more time. > And > then that terrible steel door of reality slams and it's always that full > stop > oh damn, I cant do that anymore. Grief changes, whips in your face like a > cold > wintry wind, and sometimes is softened by those elements and memories of my > best beloved brother. The impact of his life , the loss of his life is felt > far and wide. Still. My hope is that he knows this. It is not easier, it is > a > part of my landscape, a giant crater at times. His funeral did not > represent > who he was, in my most humble opinion. It felt very sterile, the saving > grace > being that his music was played throughout, which was at once searing and > soothing. Fire and rain. > > this is getting way too personal..and I promised myself I wouldnt lay > myself > out for all eyes to see and bear witness to here, having done that so much > in > the past, wanting to protect my inner sanctum however, I couldnt help but > chime in. I also want to say Anita, I always appreciate your tenderness, > your > wonderful sensitive posts. I feel your support still, as I do so many of > the > lovely jmdlers who came to the foxhole and lifted my spirits with care and > concern. > > If we offer the support and care you need in those more fragile moments, > then > Im glad to be here along side. > > much love and care always > > Mags > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Anita G wrote: > > > From: Anita G > Subject: Re: Funeral music > To: "Mark-Leon Thorne" > Cc: migibbs@optusnet.com.au, "jonipeople LIST" > Received: Monday, April 26, 2010, 7:42 AM > > > Hi Melissa and Mark > > Yes, I'd like to add my voice to remember all soldiers everywhere on Anzac > Day. > > In relation to one's own funeral, I have had it planned for some time, > not through gloominess but because I've been to so many funerals > recently that have not, in my view, reflected the person I knew. Also, > my own Mother (now 83 and highly disabled) doesnt want to plan it at > all, so I am left wondering quite what she wants. I just dont want to > do that to those around me. > > Mark, I have also been to so many funerals where people want everyone > to come in bright clothes, celebrate the life of the person gone and > have a 'party and fun'. Well I want lots of weeping, people to be > dressed in black because I will be greatly missed :~)))!!! (Not much > narcissism or grandiosity there then). We are all particles of change, > I know, I know. > > So, to start I want Hejira (the song) played because it says > everything about existence that I ever wanted to say. If people make > it to the end of that long old song, I want someone to play Both Sides > Now and for everyone to sing it (instead of a hymn). The, because its > my absolute favourite, started my love of Joni and connects me to my > 14 year old self, Id like people to listen to The Dawntreader. > > Steph and Id favourite film is Calamity Jane. We had Secret Love > played at our civil partnership, so I always said I wanted my coffin > to enter the back door to The Deadwood Stage! However, I recently went > to a funeral that had a lone piper piping my friend in and it was > absolutely brilliant. Full of gravitas and very haunting. Im not > Scottish, but it was rather splendid. > > I havent got my readings sorted yet, but probably a few things from > Kahil Gibrans The Prophet, possibly about Marriage and Death. I > want to be cremated (unlike Steph who wants to be buried, so we have > some planning to do there. Shes definitely earth to my flying fire). > I would really love a violinist to play the beginning of Vaughan > Williams The Lark Ascending as I go towards the fire. I did a > Medicine Wheel ceremony once, and the animal I was given was a lark, > so it has a lot of meaning for me in all kind of ways not least > larking about! Of course, my ashes have to be scattered to I just > blew in from the Windy City. > > I told Bob off list that I have been very active on list recently, > because I have been finding comfort and distraction here on JMDL. I do > a lot of caring for my Mother at the moment, whom I thought was on her > way out, but has, in fact, improved. I am also awaiting results of a > few medical tests myself which is a wee bit scary. For many on JMDL, > over many years, thats just their bread and butter. I then remember > Wally, Smurph, Mary Grace, Andrea, Mags brother and family. I > remember Monica went through a lot with her Mother. I am sure there > are more that I may have forgotten and Im sorry if I have. > > It feels personally a very hard time and I sometimes wonder how we > human beings ever manage all the grief and sadness we have in our > lives. And then Joni does it again. She writes: > In the church they light the candles..etc. etc. > > No wonder I love her music so much. > Lots of love > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:50:33 +0200 From: Mariana Intagliata Subject: Re: Funeral music Hello Melissa: eventhough I'm 32 and during this period in my life I'm not thinking much about my own death; and eventhough I live in a country in which we don't play any music in our funerals (it tending to be quite a silent experience), I would play Hejira (the song) undoubtedly. It's about death, but it's also beautiful and profound, and it's always meant to me "comfort in melancholy". Mariana, in Argentina > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:03:09 +1000 > From: Melissa Gibbs > Subject: Funeral music > > My apologies at the outset for the gloomy nature of this post. My elderly > father-in-law passed away earlier this year at the ripe old age of 91. > While he had pre-arranged all the funeral arrangements, he left no > instructions about what music to play at the funeral. We ended up selecting > a classical piece to start with, and finished the service with "We'll Meet > Again" by Vera Lynn, which was quite appropriate given his WW2 service. > > This got me thinking in earnest about my own funeral - although as I am in > my early 40s, I hope it is many decades away. I have always said - perhaps > in jest - that I wanted AC/DC's "Highway to Hell" played at the end of the > service, and I still may select that track to remind the mourners that I had > a sense of humour. I had also always thought I'd like played Mama Cass's > version of "Dream a Little Dream of Me", but nothing from Joni springs to > mind, which is strange given her profound influence. > > Which leads me to consult the list - what Joni song would you like played at > your funeral? > > Again, apologies to those on the list who may be in mourning or who for > whatever reason don't like discussing or thinking about death and its > rituals. I was so deeply thankful that my father in law had clearly > specified his funeral wishes in advance and had discussed them with us > before he became ill. It was a blessing not to have to make decisions on > the run, so I decided to make my wishes clear to my loved ones to save them > the stress. > > Look forward to your responses. > > Melissa in Sydney, where it is at last becoming chilly. The end of our > Indian Summer is near. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:38:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Funeral music NJC I've been at many funerals that did not seem to convey much about the person. Often it was the parts before and after the funeral that were better at doing that, and the funeral was just a service that we seem compelled to have because of religious or traditional reasons. Certainly, with my family, being Catholic, there wasn't a great deal at the funeral itself that strayed from churchy things and there was little to do with the person who had died. That's not the kind of funeral I want. Before my own parents died, I didn't understand the concept of visitations/wakes and funeral services. When my parents died, I realized that it was the coming-together of family and friends that helped my siblings and me cope with the grief and also realize that my mother, then my father, was truly gone. I've been to some truly lugubrious funerals that just made me feel doomed and depressed and I've also been to some that are truly a celebration of the life of the person we were remembering. I think I prefer the latter. Anita and Mark, you can rest assured (but not quite yet, I hope!) that you will truly be missed when you're gone, because you are loved now. I've met Anita but I haven't met Mark, but I don't think I need to meet you to recognize that you're a lovely person and that you probably have many friends and family who will be extremely sad to lose you, but they will also remember everything that's wonderful about you now. The same goes for the rest of you. I don't care what people wear to my funeral. Well, maybe I do, a bit. No halter tops and flip-flops please, unless I decide to have my funeral at a beach! But if you want people to wear black go for it! I do remember the funeral of a young man who died when I was in high school. His sister was in my class and I think he was a year, maybe two years older, so still in high school too. He had leukemia, I think. He had asked to have "Let it be" played at his funeral but it was a catholic church and that was the late 60s or early 70s and they would never play that kind of song in a catholic church. I still remember that and think it was unfair. On the other hand, there's a movie called "P.S. I love you" with Hilary Swank and Gerard Butler where they hold an Irish wake in a Boston pub and the sing The Pogues "Fairytale of New York" because that's one the man loved, and the local priest sings along with everyone. (It's a good film, better than the average rom com.) Interesting about the fire and rain and air things. i guess, as a fire sign, it makes sense that I be cremated. I hope that people laugh and cry at my funeral because, as we all know... ... and you can fill in the rest. ________________________________ From: Mags To: Mark-Leon Thorne ; Anita G Cc: migibbs@optusnet.com.au; jonipeople LIST Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:13:13 AM Subject: Re: Funeral music NJC thank you Anita for mentioning my brother Dave. It's impossible to believe that it has been nearly 7 years now, this August, and the missing him never really leaves. Ive built a small memorial garden in his honour outside my window, and it helps me to sit and tend to it, to bring some Dave-ness that I can touch and somehow be soothed. ... His funeral did not represent who he was, in my most humble opinion. It felt very sterile, the saving grace being that his music was played throughout, which was at once searing and soothing. Fire and rain. I dont know what Joni song(s) Id like at my funeral...(such a weird concept, no wonder it's hard to land on that reality. Anyway...Id like people to be dressed in black and to express their love and care for me too. ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:17:40 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni & Jimi Yea I saw this the first time I was in Seattle. What a mind blower! I have been obsessed about getting ahold of the those tapes to hear the recordings he made. I have a friend who introduced to me Jimi's sister Janie. I am going to write him and ask him to ask her about this recording. Paz (on the I-10 headed East to St. Augustine then on to Charleston, Raleigh, Columbia, MD., and Columbus Ohio.) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Mark wrote: My brother is visiting from Omaha. He wanted to go to the Experience Music Project. So we went today. Travis and I went to the EMP back when it first opened. At the time there were long lines to get into the inter-active section of the EMP and also for the Jimi Hendrix room. So we skipped those. We had not been back until today. Somebody has probably posted about this before, but Jimi's diary is on display under glass on one wall of the Jimi Hendrix room. It is open to the entry he made about seeing Joni in Ottawa. So I actually got to see it today. My brother managed to get a decent enough picture of it that you can actually read it. There is also a photo of it on JoniMitchell.com: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2181&from=search As I wrote above, I'm sure somebody else has seen this and written about it before. But it was an unexpected thrill for me today. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:37:26 -0700 From: Leah Welborn Subject: joni & jimi Mark in Seattle, Thanks so much for posting this (page from Jimi's diary). I really don't know much about Jimi, and that is such a sweet insight into the man. xoxo Leah On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Monday, April 26 2010 Volume 2010 : Number > 122 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. [Kate Johnson > Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. [Robin Adler > joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses [Deb Messling > Re: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses [ > Dflahm@aol.com] > Re: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses [Anita G > Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. [Bob Muller > Re: Joni Cover Suggestions ["Randy Remote" >] > Re: NJC Oddmund's treats [Anita G >] > For all you American Idolers: Ken Lee, We Doubt You! positively njc) > [Wal] > Re: Joni Cover Suggestions [ > FMYFL@aol.com] > Funeral music [Melissa Gibbs >] > Re: Dylan and Mitchell ["Randy Remote" >] > Joni & Jimi ["Mark" >] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 01:05:14 -0600 > From: Kate Johnson > Subject: Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. > > On 24-Apr-10, at 9:18 PM, Jill Haas wrote: > > > How does one reconcile one's self with this fact, I ask you? Jeff > > is in deep conflict. > > > > Please keep him in your thoughts. > > Poor baby. Of course. > He should take two aspirins and listen to Joni in the morning. > - -K. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 00:08:42 -0700 > From: Robin Adler > Subject: Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. > > Yes kudos to Jeff!!! I didn't realize he wasn't a Joni fan. Also, > kudos to you Jill. You really helped to make this cd happen. It > takes a village sometimes. What a wonderful community. Kisses and > hugs to you, Jeff and Lisa! > On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Jill Haas wrote: > > > Hi Jonilistas, > > > > Here's my contribution to the Jazz covers of Joni--Mark Murphy's > > Goodbye Porkpie Hat. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000006PVI/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img > > - I'm sure Bob is all over this one. I came late to the party. > > > > Quit reading hear unless you are willing to hear some shameless > > praise... > > > > I feel the need to lay some kudos on my best friend and graphic > > artist, Jeff Holtzman and his sister, calligrapher Lisa Holtzman, > > who helped to create the CD package for "Safaris to the Heart." Jeff > > put together all of the great stuff that others contributed and > > worked with the printer/CD maker, etc. Lisa worked her calligraphy > > magic on the title. > > > > I want to thank them both personally and publicly for their part > > helping to get this wonderful CD out there without knowing any of > > the JMDL people or why the heck they were doing this. Jeff spent > > many hours on this project - and he worked "real good for free." As > > my closest friend, Jeff did this as a favor to me and brought his > > sister into the project. What a guy. > > > > Poor Jeff has been the victim of many hours of lectures about the > > virtues of Joni's music, and I love him for bearing with me as I > > forced him to listen to Joni's music all of these 30+ years. He has > > developed an admiration (although begrudgingly- Scorpios are > > stubborn, as we know), of Joni's work. He hates that this is > > happening to him. He loves Pat Metheney and for chrisakes, Pat went > > on TOUR with JONI, and other people that he admires greatly have > > been working with her forever or covered her work How does one > > reconcile one's self with this fact, I ask you? Jeff is in deep > > conflict. > > > > Please keep him in your thoughts. > > > > Jilll > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mags" > > To: "David Gizara" ; ; > > "Catherine McKay" > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions > > > > > >> omg Catherine, verbatim to what I was going to say....hi, David > >> Gizara, yes do > >> take Catherine's suggestion as gospel...have a listen or two or > >> twenty....Robin and Dave and the Mutts...I just cannot articulate how > >> wonderful and ON and ooozing jazz and love and many safaris to this > >> heart of > >> mine. > >> > >> And Les Ross, your artwork/photograph on the cover is gorgeous, > >> subtle and > >> strong all at once. > >> > >> > >> geeze (cherokee) louise, get out there and pick u p their cd, all > >> of you! ya > >> hear??? ;-) > >> > >> i LOVE it. I wish I could put down on paper, all the gushing of > >> summer lawns > >> that's going on inside when I listen to it. > >> > >> hoping they make an appearance closer to home ;--)))) > >> > >> Mags > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Catherine McKay > >> Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions > >> To: "David Gizara" , joni@smoe.org > >> Received: Friday, April 23, 2010, 4:24 PM > >> > >> > >> You absolutely MUST check out Robin Adler and Mutts of the Planet's > >> brand new > >> CD "Safaris to the Heart," which is all Joni jazz covers. For the > >> sake of > >> transparency, Robin and Dave are both members of this discussion > >> list, but > >> they are NOT paying me to say this and I wouldn't even mention it > >> if I didn't > >> think it was worthwhile, but it most definitely is. > >> > >> You can hear samples at > >> their website, but the CD is well worth purchasing and I would > >> definitely > >> encourage you to check them out. In fact, they are *almost* (by a > >> bit of a > >> stretch) neighbours of yours: at least, they are on the same side > >> of the > >> continent as you! > >> > >> Here's their website, and you can listen to samples at the > >> bottom of the front page: > >> http://robinadler.com/ > >> ________________________________ > >> From: David Gizara > >> To: > >> joni@smoe.org > >> Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 3:10:11 PM > >> Subject: Re: Joni Cover > >> Suggestions > >> > >> Hi, > >> My name is David Gizara. Each year I do a Summer Solstice > >> Joni Mitchel Radio Special on KLCC 89.7 FM in Eugene, Oregon. We > >> are the NPR > >> affiliate in Southern and Central Oregon and we stream all over the > >> world at > >> www.klcc.org. Bob has always helped me greatly and this year's > >> theme will be > >> the top thirty most done Joni Covers (roughly 30). I pick jazzish > >> covers of > >> Joni Mitchell songs i.e. Brad Mehldau doing "Roses Blue". I would > >> love to > >> hear any suggestions from all of you. I'm working off the list of > >> most > >> covered > >> Joni songs at JoniMitchell.com. This years show will be June 24th. > >> Thanks, > >> David Gizara > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:04:09 -0400 > From: Deb Messling > Subject: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses > > Jezebel blogged Joni's comments in the LA Times. The comments were, > not surprisingly, supportive. This is the one I found most interesting: > > Warning: this is going to be rather meta, because I am a historical > musicologist and therefore take Mitchell's ideas as reflections on > the "anxiety of influence" and the ever-present conundrum of artists > over what is truly new and original vs. what takes from the past and > reworks it for the person, place, and time. > > Leaving aside the names and name-calling, I think one of Joni's main > beefs is with the comparison of her and Dylan's respective musical > styles. They are indeed very different, and come from utterly > divergent sources. Dylan's modus operandi is the taking of past > practices, influences, and trends, and refashioning them into > something that speaks to him and reflects the world as he sees it. R. > Schumann, Mahler, Bernstein, Cobain, all typically functioned this > way. Great artists, all. > > Mitchell is one of the relatively fewer artists who is more, to use > the word as I imagine she uses it, original. That is, her music flows > less from a collection, digestion, and transformation of influences > than from something purely within her and not tied to time, > environment, circumstance, etc. This is very noteworthy when it > occurs, and the musicologists I know who are interested in Mitchell > all cite her as an example of this--others are Beethoven, Chopin, > Sondheim, Thelonius Monk. > > Both approaches are equally valid if unequally distributed. I > understand and appreciate Mitchell's point and where she's coming > from, but I don't think this detracts from Dylan's genius in the least. > > See the complete post here: > http://jezebel.com/5523712/joni-mitchell-bob-dylan-is-fake > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:43:42 EDT > From: Dflahm@aol.com > Subject: Re: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses > > In a message dated 4/25/2010 9:06:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dlmessling@rcn.com writes: > > See the complete post here: > http://jezebel.com/5523712/joni-mitchell-bob-dylan-is-fake > > > > The comments at the link from Deb makes a fascinating read, not least for > the generous amount of new "slang" and usage I encountered for the first > time. One of the very last posters says Joni Mitchell wants to be as > famous as > Lennon-McCarthy (sic), Irving Berlin and Mingus and is bitter because she > isn't. > > Perhaps we in JMDL take for granted that OUR evaluation and esteem make a > difference in the view JM has of the world around her. Genuine and > accurate > as our > feelings are, they make probably unweighably small grains against the sand > dune of indifference and misunderstanding that she sees plaguing her. > > > DAVID LAHM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:11:08 +0100 > From: Anita G > Subject: Re: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses > > > Perhaps we in JMDL take for granted that OUR evaluation and esteem make > a > > difference in the view JM has of the world around her. Genuine and > accurate > > as our feelings are, they make probably unweighably small grains against > the sand > > dune of indifference and misunderstanding that she sees plaguing her. > DAVID LAHM > > Time she subscribed then! :~) > Anita x > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 08:24:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. > > Porkpie Hat. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000006PVI/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img- I'm sure Bob is all over this one. I came late to the party.> > > He's done 2 different versions, one in 1998 and 2004. He's also recorded > Twisted (before Joni did) and Barangrill and of course Both Sides Now (1970) > as well. > > Bob > > NP: John Mayer, "Your Body Is A Wonderland" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:00:40 -0700 > From: "Randy Remote" > Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions > > Hi David- > I would also recommend jmdl-lister David Lahm's two CD's; > Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell, and More JTOJM, both available > on Amazon (where you can hear samples). > These are instrumental, and solidly jazz. > RR > > > > Hi, > > My name is David Gizara. Each year I do a Summer Solstice Joni Mitchel > > Radio Special on KLCC 89.7 FM in Eugene, Oregon. > I pick jazzish covers of Joni Mitchell songs i.e. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:18:57 +0100 > From: Anita G > Subject: Re: NJC Oddmund's treats > > Oddmund, I simply loved susane sundfxr. Can we meet up next Winter > and watch the Northern Lights under the Nordic sky and listen to her? > Anita x > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:28:06 -0600 > From: Walt Breen > Subject: For all you American Idolers: Ken Lee, We Doubt You! positively > njc) > > Hi gang, > > Just got back from San Francisco, where I had a great time in spite of an > almost comically large amount of bad news, and I returned home to a passel > of > e-birthday cards. This one, a clip from the Rumanian equivalent of AI, is > a > hoot: > > http://www.dob.ro/TV/63/Ken-Lee-Without-You > > Walt "Little" Breen > > Let the walls come tumbling down > Let them fall right on the ground > Let all the dogs go running free > The wild and the gentle dogs > Kenneled in me > (Joni Mitchell, Jericho , 1974) > Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:58:22 EDT > From: FMYFL@aol.com > Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions > > Amen to that Randy! I had the pleasure to meet David Lahm at my very first > Jonifest in New Orleans. I still love listening to the grammy nominated > JTOJM, which David was gracious enough to autograph my copy. It's such a > great > CD, and I hope David plays that along with the Mutt's CD. > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 4/25/2010 11:54:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > guitarzan@hughes.net writes: > > > Hi David- > > I would also recommend jmdl-lister David Lahm's two CD's; > > Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell, and More JTOJM, both available > > on Amazon (where you can hear samples). > > These are instrumental, and solidly jazz. > > RR > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:03:09 +1000 > From: Melissa Gibbs > Subject: Funeral music > > My apologies at the outset for the gloomy nature of this post. My elderly > father-in-law passed away earlier this year at the ripe old age of 91. > While he had pre-arranged all the funeral arrangements, he left no > instructions about what music to play at the funeral. We ended up > selecting > a classical piece to start with, and finished the service with "We'll Meet > Again" by Vera Lynn, which was quite appropriate given his WW2 service. > > This got me thinking in earnest about my own funeral - although as I am in > my early 40s, I hope it is many decades away. I have always said - perhaps > in jest - that I wanted AC/DC's "Highway to Hell" played at the end of the > service, and I still may select that track to remind the mourners that I > had > a sense of humour. I had also always thought I'd like played Mama Cass's > version of "Dream a Little Dream of Me", but nothing from Joni springs to > mind, which is strange given her profound influence. > > Which leads me to consult the list - what Joni song would you like played > at > your funeral? > > Again, apologies to those on the list who may be in mourning or who for > whatever reason don't like discussing or thinking about death and its > rituals. I was so deeply thankful that my father in law had clearly > specified his funeral wishes in advance and had discussed them with us > before he became ill. It was a blessing not to have to make decisions on > the run, so I decided to make my wishes clear to my loved ones to save them > the stress. > > Look forward to your responses. > > Melissa in Sydney, where it is at last becoming chilly. The end of our > Indian Summer is near. > > NP: Atlantic City, Bruce Springsteen. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:30:38 -0700 > From: "Randy Remote" > Subject: Re: Dylan and Mitchell > > Question: Do you think of yourself primarily as a singer or a poet? > Dylan: Oh, I think of myself more as a song and dance man, y'know. > - -- Bob Dylan, press conference at KQED, San Francisco, Dec. 1965 > > > let's boil this down....Dylan male Gemini....Mitchell female > > Scorpio....discuss. > > > Love, > > > > Russ in Alameda, CA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:52:30 -0700 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Joni & Jimi > > My brother is visiting from Omaha. He wanted to go to the Experience Music > Project. So we went today. > > Travis and I went to the EMP back when it first opened. At the time there > were long lines to get into the inter-active section of the EMP and also > for > the Jimi Hendrix room. So we skipped those. We had not been back until > today. > > Somebody has probably posted about this before, but Jimi's diary is on > display under glass on one wall of the Jimi Hendrix room. It is open to > the > entry he made about seeing Joni in Ottawa. So I actually got to see it > today. My brother managed to get a decent enough picture of it that you > can > actually read it. There is also a photo of it on JoniMitchell.com: > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2181&from=search > > As I wrote above, I'm sure somebody else has seen this and written about it > before. But it was an unexpected thrill for me today. > > Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2010 #122 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #123 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------