From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 26 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 122 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. [Kate Johnson ] Re: NJC Oddmund's treats [Anita G ] For all you American Idolers: Ken Lee, We Doubt You! positively njc) [Wal] Re: Joni Cover Suggestions [FMYFL@aol.com] Funeral music [Melissa Gibbs ] Re: Dylan and Mitchell ["Randy Remote" ] Joni & Jimi ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 01:05:14 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. On 24-Apr-10, at 9:18 PM, Jill Haas wrote: > How does one reconcile one's self with this fact, I ask you? Jeff > is in deep conflict. > > Please keep him in your thoughts. Poor baby. Of course. He should take two aspirins and listen to Joni in the morning. - -K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 00:08:42 -0700 From: Robin Adler Subject: Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. Yes kudos to Jeff!!! I didn't realize he wasn't a Joni fan. Also, kudos to you Jill. You really helped to make this cd happen. It takes a village sometimes. What a wonderful community. Kisses and hugs to you, Jeff and Lisa! On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Jill Haas wrote: > Hi Jonilistas, > > Here's my contribution to the Jazz covers of Joni--Mark Murphy's > Goodbye Porkpie Hat. http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000006PVI/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img > - I'm sure Bob is all over this one. I came late to the party. > > Quit reading hear unless you are willing to hear some shameless > praise... > > I feel the need to lay some kudos on my best friend and graphic > artist, Jeff Holtzman and his sister, calligrapher Lisa Holtzman, > who helped to create the CD package for "Safaris to the Heart." Jeff > put together all of the great stuff that others contributed and > worked with the printer/CD maker, etc. Lisa worked her calligraphy > magic on the title. > > I want to thank them both personally and publicly for their part > helping to get this wonderful CD out there without knowing any of > the JMDL people or why the heck they were doing this. Jeff spent > many hours on this project - and he worked "real good for free." As > my closest friend, Jeff did this as a favor to me and brought his > sister into the project. What a guy. > > Poor Jeff has been the victim of many hours of lectures about the > virtues of Joni's music, and I love him for bearing with me as I > forced him to listen to Joni's music all of these 30+ years. He has > developed an admiration (although begrudgingly- Scorpios are > stubborn, as we know), of Joni's work. He hates that this is > happening to him. He loves Pat Metheney and for chrisakes, Pat went > on TOUR with JONI, and other people that he admires greatly have > been working with her forever or covered her work How does one > reconcile one's self with this fact, I ask you? Jeff is in deep > conflict. > > Please keep him in your thoughts. > > Jilll > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mags" > To: "David Gizara" ; ; > "Catherine McKay" > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions > > >> omg Catherine, verbatim to what I was going to say....hi, David >> Gizara, yes do >> take Catherine's suggestion as gospel...have a listen or two or >> twenty....Robin and Dave and the Mutts...I just cannot articulate how >> wonderful and ON and ooozing jazz and love and many safaris to this >> heart of >> mine. >> >> And Les Ross, your artwork/photograph on the cover is gorgeous, >> subtle and >> strong all at once. >> >> >> geeze (cherokee) louise, get out there and pick u p their cd, all >> of you! ya >> hear??? ;-) >> >> i LOVE it. I wish I could put down on paper, all the gushing of >> summer lawns >> that's going on inside when I listen to it. >> >> hoping they make an appearance closer to home ;--)))) >> >> Mags >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Catherine McKay wrote: >> >> >> From: Catherine McKay >> Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions >> To: "David Gizara" , joni@smoe.org >> Received: Friday, April 23, 2010, 4:24 PM >> >> >> You absolutely MUST check out Robin Adler and Mutts of the Planet's >> brand new >> CD "Safaris to the Heart," which is all Joni jazz covers. For the >> sake of >> transparency, Robin and Dave are both members of this discussion >> list, but >> they are NOT paying me to say this and I wouldn't even mention it >> if I didn't >> think it was worthwhile, but it most definitely is. >> >> You can hear samples at >> their website, but the CD is well worth purchasing and I would >> definitely >> encourage you to check them out. In fact, they are *almost* (by a >> bit of a >> stretch) neighbours of yours: at least, they are on the same side >> of the >> continent as you! >> >> Here's their website, and you can listen to samples at the >> bottom of the front page: >> http://robinadler.com/ >> ________________________________ >> From: David Gizara >> To: >> joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 3:10:11 PM >> Subject: Re: Joni Cover >> Suggestions >> >> Hi, >> My name is David Gizara. Each year I do a Summer Solstice >> Joni Mitchel Radio Special on KLCC 89.7 FM in Eugene, Oregon. We >> are the NPR >> affiliate in Southern and Central Oregon and we stream all over the >> world at >> www.klcc.org. Bob has always helped me greatly and this year's >> theme will be >> the top thirty most done Joni Covers (roughly 30). I pick jazzish >> covers of >> Joni Mitchell songs i.e. Brad Mehldau doing "Roses Blue". I would >> love to >> hear any suggestions from all of you. I'm working off the list of >> most >> covered >> Joni songs at JoniMitchell.com. This years show will be June 24th. >> Thanks, >> David Gizara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:04:09 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses Jezebel blogged Joni's comments in the LA Times. The comments were, not surprisingly, supportive. This is the one I found most interesting: Warning: this is going to be rather meta, because I am a historical musicologist and therefore take Mitchell's ideas as reflections on the "anxiety of influence" and the ever-present conundrum of artists over what is truly new and original vs. what takes from the past and reworks it for the person, place, and time. Leaving aside the names and name-calling, I think one of Joni's main beefs is with the comparison of her and Dylan's respective musical styles. They are indeed very different, and come from utterly divergent sources. Dylan's modus operandi is the taking of past practices, influences, and trends, and refashioning them into something that speaks to him and reflects the world as he sees it. R. Schumann, Mahler, Bernstein, Cobain, all typically functioned this way. Great artists, all. Mitchell is one of the relatively fewer artists who is more, to use the word as I imagine she uses it, original. That is, her music flows less from a collection, digestion, and transformation of influences than from something purely within her and not tied to time, environment, circumstance, etc. This is very noteworthy when it occurs, and the musicologists I know who are interested in Mitchell all cite her as an example of this--others are Beethoven, Chopin, Sondheim, Thelonius Monk. Both approaches are equally valid if unequally distributed. I understand and appreciate Mitchell's point and where she's coming from, but I don't think this detracts from Dylan's genius in the least. See the complete post here: http://jezebel.com/5523712/joni-mitchell-bob-dylan-is-fake - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:43:42 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses In a message dated 4/25/2010 9:06:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dlmessling@rcn.com writes: See the complete post here: http://jezebel.com/5523712/joni-mitchell-bob-dylan-is-fake The comments at the link from Deb makes a fascinating read, not least for the generous amount of new "slang" and usage I encountered for the first time. One of the very last posters says Joni Mitchell wants to be as famous as Lennon-McCarthy (sic), Irving Berlin and Mingus and is bitter because she isn't. Perhaps we in JMDL take for granted that OUR evaluation and esteem make a difference in the view JM has of the world around her. Genuine and accurate as our feelings are, they make probably unweighably small grains against the sand dune of indifference and misunderstanding that she sees plaguing her. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:11:08 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: joni's bob dylan comment - interesting responses > Perhaps we in JMDL take for granted that OUR evaluation and esteem make a > difference in the view JM has of the world around her. Genuine and accurate > as our feelings are, they make probably unweighably small grains against the sand > dune of indifference and misunderstanding that she sees plaguing her. DAVID LAHM Time she subscribed then! :~) Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 08:24:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Jazz Covers and Mutts of the Planet, etc. He's done 2 different versions, one in 1998 and 2004. He's also recorded Twisted (before Joni did) and Barangrill and of course Both Sides Now (1970) as well. Bob NP: John Mayer, "Your Body Is A Wonderland" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:00:40 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions Hi David- I would also recommend jmdl-lister David Lahm's two CD's; Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell, and More JTOJM, both available on Amazon (where you can hear samples). These are instrumental, and solidly jazz. RR > Hi, > My name is David Gizara. Each year I do a Summer Solstice Joni Mitchel > Radio Special on KLCC 89.7 FM in Eugene, Oregon. I pick jazzish covers of Joni Mitchell songs i.e. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:18:57 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: NJC Oddmund's treats Oddmund, I simply loved susane sundfxr. Can we meet up next Winter and watch the Northern Lights under the Nordic sky and listen to her? Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:28:06 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: For all you American Idolers: Ken Lee, We Doubt You! positively njc) Hi gang, Just got back from San Francisco, where I had a great time in spite of an almost comically large amount of bad news, and I returned home to a passel of e-birthday cards. This one, a clip from the Rumanian equivalent of AI, is a hoot: http://www.dob.ro/TV/63/Ken-Lee-Without-You Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:58:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Cover Suggestions Amen to that Randy! I had the pleasure to meet David Lahm at my very first Jonifest in New Orleans. I still love listening to the grammy nominated JTOJM, which David was gracious enough to autograph my copy. It's such a great CD, and I hope David plays that along with the Mutt's CD. Jimmy In a message dated 4/25/2010 11:54:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@hughes.net writes: > Hi David- > I would also recommend jmdl-lister David Lahm's two CD's; > Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell, and More JTOJM, both available > on Amazon (where you can hear samples). > These are instrumental, and solidly jazz. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:03:09 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Funeral music My apologies at the outset for the gloomy nature of this post. My elderly father-in-law passed away earlier this year at the ripe old age of 91. While he had pre-arranged all the funeral arrangements, he left no instructions about what music to play at the funeral. We ended up selecting a classical piece to start with, and finished the service with "We'll Meet Again" by Vera Lynn, which was quite appropriate given his WW2 service. This got me thinking in earnest about my own funeral - although as I am in my early 40s, I hope it is many decades away. I have always said - perhaps in jest - that I wanted AC/DC's "Highway to Hell" played at the end of the service, and I still may select that track to remind the mourners that I had a sense of humour. I had also always thought I'd like played Mama Cass's version of "Dream a Little Dream of Me", but nothing from Joni springs to mind, which is strange given her profound influence. Which leads me to consult the list - what Joni song would you like played at your funeral? Again, apologies to those on the list who may be in mourning or who for whatever reason don't like discussing or thinking about death and its rituals. I was so deeply thankful that my father in law had clearly specified his funeral wishes in advance and had discussed them with us before he became ill. It was a blessing not to have to make decisions on the run, so I decided to make my wishes clear to my loved ones to save them the stress. Look forward to your responses. Melissa in Sydney, where it is at last becoming chilly. The end of our Indian Summer is near. NP: Atlantic City, Bruce Springsteen. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:30:38 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Dylan and Mitchell Question: Do you think of yourself primarily as a singer or a poet? Dylan: Oh, I think of myself more as a song and dance man, y'know. - -- Bob Dylan, press conference at KQED, San Francisco, Dec. 1965 > let's boil this down....Dylan male Gemini....Mitchell female > Scorpio....discuss. > Love, > > Russ in Alameda, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:52:30 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Joni & Jimi My brother is visiting from Omaha. He wanted to go to the Experience Music Project. So we went today. Travis and I went to the EMP back when it first opened. At the time there were long lines to get into the inter-active section of the EMP and also for the Jimi Hendrix room. So we skipped those. We had not been back until today. Somebody has probably posted about this before, but Jimi's diary is on display under glass on one wall of the Jimi Hendrix room. It is open to the entry he made about seeing Joni in Ottawa. So I actually got to see it today. My brother managed to get a decent enough picture of it that you can actually read it. There is also a photo of it on JoniMitchell.com: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2181&from=search As I wrote above, I'm sure somebody else has seen this and written about it before. But it was an unexpected thrill for me today. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #122 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------