From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #114 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 19 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 114 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Dog Eat Dog [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge [Laura Stanley ] Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Mags ] Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge [Mags ] Re: The Songs of Nick Drake NJC [Paul Castle ] Re: The Songs of Nick Drake NJC [Catherine McKay ] Rolling Thunder in The Concert Vault [Paul Castle ] Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Anita G ] Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Leah Welborn ] a letter from Sheila Weller [T Peckham ] Re:Joni Recommendations ["Jill Haas" ] Fw: Re:Joni Recommendations ["Jill Haas" ] Safaris to the Heart ["Jill Haas" ] Re: a letter from Sheila Weller [Catherine McKay ] Re: a letter from Sheila Weller [Mags ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:17:11 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Dog Eat Dog Right on, Cassy and Rian. One amazing thing about Joni is that she has been creating for so long now that people have jumped in at various times and become admirers of her work. I love all of Joni's work throughout her career but, I really jumped in during the 1980s and Dog Eat Dog was at the height of my time for appreciating music. It lead me to discover her other work but, Joni never compromises. She took an interest in the sounds of the mid-80s and put herself into it. Anyone who has heard her acoustic versions of DED and The Three Great Stimulants will hear that the lyrics are Joni through and though. It's unfortunate that this album gets overlooked because she dared to try something new with the music. That the music somehow erases the sentiment and creativity in the songs. MHO Mark in Sydney NP Part Time Love - Elton John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 05:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge Mark wrote: Welcome back, Rian! 'Sweet Bird' is one of my favorites, too. Let's see. Happy Joni Mitchell songs about new found love. Michael From Mountains Chelsea Morning All I Want My Old Man In France They Kiss on Main Street Talk to Me Jericho Solid Love Underneath the Streetlight Lucky Girl The Crazy Cries of Love Night Ride Home Yvette in English Hi Mark and Rian! Ditto the welcome back and Sweet Bird... YES!!! How about "Help Me" to add to the list. It definitely is not sad. It is real about new found love. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:59:45 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge The Joni song that I a really like about love, and I think may be new-ish love, is Face Lift. The last verse always moves me deeply. Bless us! Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:15:41 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Laura Stanley" Laura wrote: > Hi Mark and Rian! > > Ditto the welcome back and Sweet Bird... YES!!! > > How about "Help Me" to add to the list. It definitely is not sad. It is > real about new found love. > Hi Laura, I thought about "Help Me" but hesitated. She seems to be talking about love almost like it's an illness in that song. It sounds happy, but she's very ambivalent about it: "When I get that crazy feeling I'm in trouble again. I'm in trouble 'cause you're a rambler and a gambler and a sweet ladies' man", "It's got me hoping for the future and worrying about the past. 'Cause I've seen some hard, hot blazes come down to smoke and ash" "Are you gonna let me go there by myself? That's such a lonely thing to do. Both of us flirting around, flirting and flirting. Hurting too." She feels crazed, she's in trouble, she's worried, she's hurting. The bridge has the only purely happy lyrics in the song about sitting there talking, lying there not talking and dancing with a lady with a hole in her stocking. But she's still uncertain, questioning her lover. "Didn't it feel good?" And of course there's the lines repeated at the end of each verse that sum up so much of Joni's ambivalence about love and commitment "We love our lovin'. But not like we love our freedom". To be fair, "All I Want" does have a pinch of negativity in the lines 'Do you see, do you see, do you see how you're hurting me baby. So I hurt you too. Then we both get so blue". But on the whole, I think 'All I Want" is a happy, positive look at new love. Just my opinion, fwiw. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:31:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) Leah, congratulations on listening to Hissing for the first time. I love that album very much, was late in hearing it as well. Ive been listening to it a lot lately, because that's what happens on this wonderful list, we cheer each other on, and open up our senses, renewing what we love so much in the realm of music. Let us know your thoughts, Mags, in Winnipeg - --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Rian Afriadi wrote: From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) To: "Leah Welborn" , "jonipeople" Received: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 1:51 PM Leah wrote : I'm listening to Hissing of Summer Lawns for the very first time right now. >>> Well, you made me listen to HoSL again! (and you made me write on this list again -- first time since almost a year ago) My first time with HoSL was 2007, that's the year I joined this list. So, what's your current favorite? And what do you think? Rian out from lurking Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge me too, I adore that song xo Mags - --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Jimmy Stewart wrote: From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge To: "Rian Afriadi" Cc: "jonipeople" Received: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 3:37 PM Two Grey Rooms is one. My favorite too! Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Rian Afriadi wrote: > OK. > Everybody loves to make list. > > But usually, it's "my favorite list" or "my recommendation list". > > Let's make a list that cover one subject. > Just like "The Beginning of Survival" CD that covers... well, the beginning of survival. > > Let's make a list that cover this topic : > Love. New found love. > 10 songs. > I think it's quite challenging. Joni made many songs about love, but they're actually sad. > > > > Rian Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:39:12 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: The Songs of Nick Drake NJC Anita - Thank you so much for posting about this - I'd completely missed that it was on. Just watched it on the BBC iPlayer - and I'm still right up there! What a truly great concert. Wonderful band and string section held together by double bass player Danny Thompson who, of course, played on many of the original recordings on Five Leaves Left and Bryter Layter. So many sublime moments - Lisa Hannigan singing 'At The Chime Of A City Clock' (Oh, those strings!!) Kirsty Almeida's 'Cello Song' (Oh, that cello line!! - and the cor anglais!) The incredible piano/double bass instrumental version of 'One of These Things First' by Zoe Rahman & Danny Thompson Lisa Hannigan playing harmonium and growling out 'Black Eyed Dog" - absolutely stunning!!! I'm on my feet! 'Day Is Done' by Scott Matthews - love his voice - (his own song 'Boy With A Thorn In His Side' is one of my current favourites) Teddy Thompson's 'River Man' - when the strings first come in - oh my! (Richard and Linda must be so proud - as Teddy says at the beginning, his mother went out with Nick Drake for a while. His father also played electric guitar on the original version of 'Time Has Told Me'. And I defy anyone not to smile along with Teddy Thompson and Krystle Warren when they sing 'Pink Moon' together - this should be released as a single - just brilliant! I see the BBC are showing it again tonight so I plan to record it - and treasure it always. Very best to all PaulC NP 'I Don't Know' by Lisa Hannigan On 17 April 2010 16:58, Anita G wrote: > Last night on BBC4 UK there was a really terrific hour and a half > tribute by contemporary artists (including the amazing Krystle Warren) > to Nick Drake. There was some moments that were just out of this > world. Some of it sounded sacred, although on my telly the vocal mix > was a bit overly reverbed at times. However, some of it was just > brilliant. I believe it can be seen for the next 8 days. I have copied > and pasted the link below, but I don't know it works. However, it was > on BBC4 on Friday 16 April at 9.00 pm. I know there are a few Way to > Blue fans out there. Watch out for a joyous Pink Moon. Magic > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s06v5 > > > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Songs of Nick Drake NJC I hope someone picks it up over on this side of the pond. Unfortunately, we can't watch it on the BBC website, at least not in Canada. To: Anita G ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 12:39:12 PM Subject: Re: The Songs of Nick Drake NJC Anita - Thank you so much for posting about this - I'd completely missed that it was on. Just watched it on the BBC iPlayer - and I'm still right up there! What a truly great concert. ... I see the BBC are showing it again tonight so I plan to record it - and treasure it always. On 17 April 2010 16:58, Anita G wrote: > Last night on BBC4 UK there was a really terrific hour and a half > tribute by contemporary artists (including the amazing Krystle Warren) > to Nick Drake. There was some moments that were just out of this > world. Some of it sounded sacred, although on my telly the vocal mix > was a bit overly reverbed at times. However, some of it was just > brilliant. I believe it can be seen for the next 8 days. I have copied > and pasted the link below, but I don't know it works. However, it was > on BBC4 on Friday 16 April at 9.00 pm. I know there are a few Way to > Blue fans out there. Watch out for a joyous Pink Moon. Magic > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s06v5 > > > Anita x Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:59:51 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Rolling Thunder in The Concert Vault Spent some time yesterday afternoon buried in the Concert Vault - http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/concerts/ (if you're new to this site, it's free to listen online but you have to register first). Found a (November 7, 1978) Dr John concert at The Bottom Line in New York - in which he sings a swampy little version of 'Happy Birthday Dear Joni' - she was in the audience - http://bit.ly/9O23CX Love this show - great band with David Sanborn on alto, Hugh McCracken on guitar and Steve Gadd on drums - Wham bam 'Mama Roux' and never get bored of 'Right Place, Wrong Time', 'Iko Iko' etc - just not possible to sit still!! I then moved on to two 1975 Rolling Thunder Revue shows - the first in Montreal (Dec 4) http://bit.ly/bIJiO8 and the second 4 days later in New York (Dec 8) - http://bit.ly/af1GY7. In Montreal Joni's set begins with 'Woman Of Heart And Mind' - (Oh Lord - her voice is just SO good!) followed by a guitar-accompanied version of 'Shadows & Light' (I've never heard this sung with a guitar before - again, love her vocal riffing and tone!!). She follows this with 'Coyote' which she says she was still writing at the time. In the introduction she says that the song was still unraveling and she'd just written the fourth verse the previous night. On the second show in New York she introduces it as "a brand new song that's just kept growing along the bus routes of this tour". Always love hearing early versions of Joni's songs before the lyric becomes written in stone by the final recording - At the Montreal show she sings (in the 4th verse) "Coyote's in the restaurant" (but four nights later in the Madison Square Gardens show he was where he ended up - "in the coffee shop"). In the Montreal show she has him "Too far from the Bay of Fundy From salt air and 50 mile tides" but by New York he'd become "Too far from the Bay of Fundy Too Far from Appaloosas and eagles and tides" In Montreal she sings, "Either he's going to have to stand and fight Or take off out of here From Louie on the balcony And the ladies in the show And from me, Coyote The flame you typed up in an Eskimo" (sounds like - ?) which, by the NY show, became, "Either he's going to have to stand and fight Or take off out of here I tried to run away myself Run away and do some work on my ego And this flame in this Eskimo" Wonder when "do some work on" became "wrestle with". very best to all PaulC NP JT's 'You Can Close Your Eyes' by William Fitzsimmons ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:46 -0700 From: Leah Welborn Subject: Getting to Love New (to me) Joni Hey Pretty People, Thanks for the happy thoughts about THoSL. As with C&S, and even more so with For the Roses, I feel as if right now (24 hours since first listen), I'm kind of moving along beside it trying to find a way in (and I know I will). I didn't feel that way with Blue. I was head over heels in love with Blue from the first time I heard it. Right now, I'm seriously digging Jungle Line and Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. It's funny, but it usually takes me a bit to get into jazz albums, too. I don't usually have those complex reactions to pop/rock albums. There's such an organic relationship between Joni's music and jazz, isn't there? In college I had a bassist boyfriend who kinda taught me to listen to jazz, introduced me to Coltrane, Miles, etc. I'm eternally grateful for that. I'd hate to be one of those people who say, "I just don't get jazz music. Except Kenny G and Michael Bolton, of course." So it's gonna be a couple of weeks till I move on to my next Joni album (in a new city, nonetheless!). There's so many, I feel no need to rush - except when someone on the list mentions something that piques my interest and I want to rush ahead. On that note, here's an interesting aside about learning Joni's catalog while on the list: often, people here, in passing, use a turn of phase that makes me think, "what an interesting way to say that." And then I hear that exact phrase in a Joni song. For example, Robin (I think) referred to herself as a butterfly and lilac spray kind of girl. I thought, "what a lovely way to describe oneself!." And then the next day, I delved into For the Roses and thought, hey! So, thanks for being my Joni friends and mentors. - -Leah On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Sunday, April 18 2010 Volume 2010 : Number > 113 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni comp for Rich [Mark-Leon Thorne >] > Re: a letter from Sheila Weller [Bob Muller >] > The Songs of Nick Drake NJC [Anita G >] > HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Leah Welborn >] > The Silver on Summer Lawns [Rian Afriadi >] > Re: The Silver on Summer Lawns [Gerald Notaro >] > The SillyMe on Summer Lawns [Rian Afriadi >] > Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Michael Paz >] > Re: The Silver on Summer Lawns -- now Dog Eat Dog [Rian Afriadi > Joni For Lovers -- list challenge [Rian Afriadi >] > Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge [Rian Afriadi >] > Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge [Jimmy Stewart >] > Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Rian Afriadi >] > Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Leah Welborn < > leahwelborn32@gmail.com] > Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) [Rian Afriadi >] > Re: The Silver on Summer Lawns -- now Dog Eat Dog ["Cassy" ] > Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge ["Mark" >] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:08:40 +1000 > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > Subject: Re: Joni comp for Rich > > >I couldn't see anyone coming back with this song, which, Walt, is 'The > Arrangement'. You could choose between Joni's arrangement or our very > own Jenny Goodspeed's arrangement of the aong which is even better in > my book< > > It may be sacrilege but, I have to agree. Jenny's cover of this song > is actually an improvement on the original. She sings it with such > power and vulnerability in her voice and the guitar playing is just so > clear and dextrous. Jenny breathed new life into this song. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Leave It - Yes > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:21:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller > > Sure thing Terra (sorry I messed your name up last time). I know that I'm > as guilty as anyone, but I think it's human nature that we don't want to see > the flaws and chinks in the armor of those that we DEEPLY admire, like Joni. > But when it's all said and done, they are as human as we are. > > Bob > > NP: Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, "Humble Me" (love this band, picked up > her 2007 release this AM in celebration of Record Store Day!) > > > > - ----- Original Message ---- > From: T Peckham > To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com; JMDL > Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 4:17:42 PM > Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller > > Hi Bob, > Thanks! That's nice to hear from a longtime lister, and with your > permission, I'll pass your comment on to Sheila. I was a bit hesitant to > bring the subject up again because I know some people aren't comfortable > with the discussion, and I completely understand that. But I also thought > it > would be good for folks to know where the story came from and how > thoroughly > it had been vetted. > > Enjoy the weekend! Terra > > NP: Carly's "Playing Possum" > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:43 AM, wrote: > > > > > Hey Tara, just wanted to say a big thanks for sharing that letter from > > Sheila. FWIW I've never had any doubts about what I read in the book, > about > > Joni or the others. It all seemed to make sense to me. > > > > Happy Friday y'all! > > > > Bob > > > > NP: The Beastie Boys, "Johnny Ryall" > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > - -- > Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:58:48 +0100 > From: Anita G > Subject: The Songs of Nick Drake NJC > > Last night on BBC4 UK there was a really terrific hour and a half > tribute by contemporary artists (including the amazing Krystle Warren) > to Nick Drake. There was some moments that were just out of this > world. Some of it sounded sacred, although on my telly the vocal mix > was a bit overly reverbed at times. However, some of it was just > brilliant. I believe it can be seen for the next 8 days. I have copied > and pasted the link below, but I don't know it works. However, it was > on BBC4 on Friday 16 April at 9.00 pm. I know there are a few Way to > Blue fans out there. Watch out for a joyous Pink Moon. Magic > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s06v5 > > > Anita x > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:30:52 -0700 > From: Leah Welborn > Subject: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) > > Hello Lovelies. I hope Sat. morning finds you well. > > I'm listening to Hissing of Summer Lawns for the very first time right now. > Just wanted to share. > > xoxox > Leah > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:13:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rian Afriadi > Subject: The Silver on Summer Lawns > > Just a reminder. > > THoSL was released in 1975, November. > So this year is its 25th anniversary. > > Let's celebrate! > > > > > Rian from Jakarta > who now digs street photography : > http://www.flickr.com/photos/afriadi/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:29:41 -0400 > From: Gerald Notaro > Subject: Re: The Silver on Summer Lawns > > That would be 35 years, Rian. I remember it well and now I feel even > older!!!!!!!! > > Jerry > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Rian Afriadi wrote: > > > Just a reminder. > > > > THoSL was released in 1975, November. > > So this year is its 25th anniversary. > > > > Let's celebrate! > > > > > > > > > > Rian from Jakarta > > who now digs street photography : > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/afriadi/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rian Afriadi > Subject: The SillyMe on Summer Lawns > > I wrote (on previous post) > > THoSL was released in 1975, November. > So this year is its 25th anniversary. > > > >>> > OK, call me stupid. > It's 35. > > :-D > silly me. > > 25 years ago was 1985 > So, this year is Dog Eat Dog's silver anniversary, not HoSL. > > Duh. > > > Rian > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:52:36 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) > > How fun! Discovery! I love that album. > > Best > > Paz > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Apr 17, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Leah Welborn wrote: > > Hello Lovelies. I hope Sat. morning finds you well. > > I'm listening to Hissing of Summer Lawns for the very first time right now. > Just wanted to share. > > xoxox > Leah > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:03:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rian Afriadi > Subject: Re: The Silver on Summer Lawns -- now Dog Eat Dog > > Jerry wrote : > That would be 35 years, Rian. I remember it well and now I feel even > older!!!!!!!! > > > >>> > > That was very embarrassing, Jerry. > :-D > > I haven't posted in almost a year, and when I returned, I posted silly > thing > Haha... > > 25 years ago was 1985. > So, it was Dog Eat Dog. > > The album that most Joni fans hate/dislike. > The one that most people think Joni's worst. > The real beginning of "The Beginning of Survival" (6 of 16 tracks from her > 2004's compilation are from this album -- and none from her pre-DED) > The one that has many issues. (One said "Joni Mitchell used to be hot, but > now she has too many issues") > > etc etc > > > > Rian > NP. Joni - Tax Free > PS. Let's play Dog Eat Dog > Woof woof! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:16:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rian Afriadi > Subject: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge > > OK. > Everybody loves to make list. > > But usually, it's "my favorite list" or "my recommendation list". > > Let's make a list that cover one subject. > Just like "The Beginning of Survival" CD that covers... well, the beginning > of survival. > > Let's make a list that cover this topic : > Love. New found love. > 10 songs. > I think it's quite challenging. Joni made many songs about love, but > they're actually sad. > > > > Rian > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:42:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rian Afriadi > Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge > > Jimmy suggested : > Two Grey Rooms is one. My favorite too! > > > >> > Yes Jimmy. It's a great love song. > But it's a sad. > (no one knows i'm here / one day i'll just disappear) > > I'm thinking about new love. A happy one. > > > Rian > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:37:57 -0400 > From: Jimmy Stewart > Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge > > Two Grey Rooms is one. My favorite too! > > Jimmy > > ....gesendet von meinem iPhone > > On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Rian Afriadi wrote: > > > OK. > > Everybody loves to make list. > > > > But usually, it's "my favorite list" or "my recommendation list". > > > > Let's make a list that cover one subject. > > Just like "The Beginning of Survival" CD that covers... well, the > > beginning of survival. > > > > Let's make a list that cover this topic : > > Love. New found love. > > 10 songs. > > I think it's quite challenging. Joni made many songs about love, but > > they're actually sad. > > > > > > > > Rian > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rian Afriadi > Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) > > Leah wrote : I'm listening to Hissing of Summer Lawns for the very first > time right now. > > > >>> > > Well, you made me listen to HoSL again! (and you made me write on this list > again -- first time since almost a year ago) > > My first time with HoSL was 2007, that's the year I joined this list. > > So, what's your current favorite? > And what do you think? > > > > Rian > out from lurking > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:59:10 -0700 > From: Leah Welborn > Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) > > How fun to have pulled a lurker from the dark! I have a tendency to lurk, > too. > > Right now, I'm sooo loving Jungle Line that it's hard to get past it to the > other songs. > > Which is your favorite? > > - -Leah > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Rian Afriadi > wrote: > > > Leah wrote : I'm listening to Hissing of Summer Lawns for the very first > > time right now. > > > > > > >>> > > > > Well, you made me listen to HoSL again! (and you made me write on this > list > > again -- first time since almost a year ago) > > > > My first time with HoSL was 2007, that's the year I joined this list. > > > > So, what's your current favorite? > > And what do you think? > > > > > > > > Rian > > out from lurking > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:12:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rian Afriadi > Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) > > Leah wrote : > Right now, I'm sooo loving Jungle Line that it's hard to get past it to the > other songs. > > Which is your favorite? > > >> > > The Jungle Line? > Interesting. > As for me, Jungle Line used to be a song that I always avoid/skip. Its > tribal sound is a bit difficult for me, a bit weird, sandwiched between > rock&roll sound of In French They Kiss and the jazzy/film-noir-esque Edith > and Kingpin. > > That's before I got the idea of the song. > It was Herbie Hancock / Leonard Cohen cover (from Herbie's River The Joni > Letter) that opened the door. > > My favorite? > Sweet Bird, definitely! > The words and the music are just perfect. > And the last line is a mantra. > > > > Rian > in hot Jakarta though it's 3AM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:30:06 -0700 > From: "Cassy" > Subject: Re: The Silver on Summer Lawns -- now Dog Eat Dog > > From: "Rian Afriadi" > > <<< NP. Joni - Tax Free > PS. Let's play Dog Eat Dog > Woof woof! >>> > > Welcome back Rain. It's good to see you post again. > Dog Eat Dog is in regular rotation at our house; I love it. > > love, > Cassy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:38:41 -0700 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Re: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge > > Welcome back, Rian! > > 'Sweet Bird' is one of my favorites, too. > > Let's see. Happy Joni Mitchell songs about new found love. > > Michael From Mountains > Chelsea Morning > All I Want > My Old Man > In France They Kiss on Main Street > Talk to Me > Jericho > Solid Love > Underneath the Streetlight > Lucky Girl > The Crazy Cries of Love > Night Ride Home > Yvette in English > > Maybe these aren't all about new found love, but they're pretty upbeat for > Joni. > > Mark in Seattle > > > - -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rian Afriadi" > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:16 PM > To: "jonipeople" > Subject: Joni For Lovers -- list challenge > > > OK. > > Everybody loves to make list. > > > > But usually, it's "my favorite list" or "my recommendation list". > > > > Let's make a list that cover one subject. > > Just like "The Beginning of Survival" CD that covers... well, the > > beginning of survival. > > > > Let's make a list that cover this topic : > > Love. New found love. > > 10 songs. > > I think it's quite challenging. Joni made many songs about love, but > > they're actually sad. > > > > > > > > Rian > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2010 #113 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:26:35 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) Hi Leah I was completely bewildered by THOSL when I first heard it. What was Joni doing, I wondered? But I was interested in it, but it was beyond me at the time. I had loved the previous albums and it seemd so radical. There was no such genre as 'world music' back then. The Burundi Drummers - well, what or who were they? It was exciting but weird. It was just such an innovative album of that era. I seem to recall that Prince has described it as the only album of anyone that he can listen to all the way through and Peter Gabriel cited it as a huge influence on him. It's hard for me to describe how ground breaking it was. Loads of people now seem to really heap praise on it, but it was critically derided at the time. Regards Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:30:07 -0700 From: Leah Welborn Subject: Re: HoSL (Look! I can abbreviate!) Anita, I love this. I had never heard Prince's wisdom on Joni! - -Leah On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Anita G wrote: > Hi Leah > I was completely bewildered by THOSL when I first heard it. What was > Joni doing, I wondered? But I was interested in it, but it was beyond > me at the time. I had loved the previous albums and it seemd so > radical. There was no such genre as 'world music' back then. The > Burundi Drummers - well, what or who were they? It was exciting but > weird. > > It was just such an innovative album of that era. I seem to recall > that Prince has described it as the only album of anyone that he can > listen to all the way through and Peter Gabriel cited it as a huge > influence on him. It's hard for me to describe how ground breaking it > was. Loads of people now seem to really heap praise on it, but it was > critically derided at the time. > Regards > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:16:46 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: The Songs of Nick Drake NJC Thanks for posting this Anita. I hadn't had time to listen yet, but Paul's review really piqued my interest. Alas, it's the same as w/Catherine--apparently we Yanks are on the wrong side of the pond, too. Perhaps some of the individual performances might eventually show up on YouTube? Or maybe the BBC will eventually make them more widely available. Did anyone do "Which Will"? I really like Lucinda Williams' version of that on *Sweet Old World.* NP: *Cotton Eyed Joe*, Karen Dalton On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I hope someone picks it up over on this side of the pond. Unfortunately, we > can't watch it on the BBC website, at least not in Canada. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:46:48 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller Just realized I didn't respond to this. When I was first working on the book, I too was surprised by the whole episode, but mainly because of the "Car On A Hill"/Jackson Browne connection. Back then, anyone who read Rolling Stone (or all the album credits) knew about Joni's relationships with Graham Nash and JT, but Jackson? Not so much. All I remember was that she played electric piano on his "Sing My Songs To Me" from *For Everyman*, an album my friends and I assumed was all about Phyllis. (Pretty presumptuous of us, eh?) ;-) Anyway, the older I get, the more I am reminded that it's best to keep an open mind---sometimes it's the only thing I feel capable of changing anymore. :-) T On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Uncomfortable though it may be, it's an important discussion. I was one of > the doubters, but, after reading Sheila's email, it makes much more sense to > me now. > > The fact that it somehow didn't sound right to me is really presumptuous of > me in any case. Just because my picture of Joni's world couldn't > incorporate this, doesn't mean it didn't happen - and my picture of Joni's > world is obviously flawed in any case, since I knew very little about her > life and was therefore most likely simply projecting my own feelings onto > it. I will confess that I still can't shake that Wile E. Coyote image out > of my head though. Sorry about that. > > Sheila's explanation makes a whole lot of sense and of course there are > reasons why you wouldn't or couldn't name sources, but she has a number of > them and they seem like credible ones at that. I am impressed once again by > Joni's keeping quiet in public about this and at the fact that her near and > dear friends protect her. There are so many cases these days of people > selling information that they have (or claim to have) about public figures > just to make a quick buck that it's gratifying to know that there are still > people out there with a sense of honour. > > Thanks, Terra, for sharing that with us. > > ------------------------------ > > - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:49:10 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re:Joni Recommendations Some I love, maybe a little off the common list. Late but... Sweet Bird /Shadows and Light Furry Sings the Blues /Mingus Blue (of course) Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwigs Tune) Down to you Edith and the Kingpin/ Shadows and litht Shades of Scarlet Conquering Shadows and Light/ Shadows and Light Coyote/Shadows and Light/ The Band-Last Waltz Goodbye Porkpie Hat/ Shadows and Light Rainy Night Hourse/ Miles of Aisles Real Good for Free/ Miles of Aisles Cold Blue and Sweet Fire/ Miles Aisles Tin Angel The Gallery That Song About the Midway Amelia Refuge of the Roads Chinese Cafe Let the Wind Carry Me For the Roses River Little Green A Case of You The Last Time I Saw Richard Cool Water The Beat of Black Wings Paprika Plains Otis and Marlena Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Turbulent Indigo Magdelena Laundries Slouching Toward Bethlehem Love Job's Sad Song Cherokee Louise Two Grey rooms Night Ride Home Both Sides Now/ Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:52:29 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Fw: Re:Joni Recommendations Dang, I forgot! probabley many more... Shine If I had a Heart - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Haas To: joni@smoe.org ; RichKochman@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re:Joni Recommendations Some I love, maybe a little off the common list. Late but... Sweet Bird /Shadows and Light Furry Sings the Blues /Mingus Blue (of course) Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwigs Tune) Down to you Edith and the Kingpin/ Shadows and litht Shades of Scarlet Conquering Shadows and Light/ Shadows and Light Coyote/Shadows and Light/ The Band-Last Waltz Goodbye Porkpie Hat/ Shadows and Light Rainy Night Hourse/ Miles of Aisles Real Good for Free/ Miles of Aisles Cold Blue and Sweet Fire/ Miles Aisles Tin Angel The Gallery That Song About the Midway Amelia Refuge of the Roads Chinese Cafe Let the Wind Carry Me For the Roses River Little Green A Case of You The Last Time I Saw Richard Cool Water The Beat of Black Wings Paprika Plains Otis and Marlena Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Turbulent Indigo Magdelena Laundries Slouching Toward Bethlehem Love Job's Sad Song Cherokee Louise Two Grey rooms Night Ride Home Both Sides Now/ Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:30:58 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Safaris to the Heart Hey JoniListas, Dave and Robin, Just wanted to add my compliments on this beatiful piece of work. My roommate and best friend, Jeff Holtzman is a "Jazz only" fan and not a fan of Joni, but I'm catching him playing "Safaris" constantly. To quote his statements while driving in the car, he said "These are amazing arrangements," and later, "Wow. These are incredible musicians." I have tried for years to get him to listen to Joni and convince him that she is "jazz worthy." He has, at times, reluctantly agreed, but this is the first unsolicedes statements of admiration about Joni's work I've heard from him. "Safaris from the Heart." Thanks Robin, Dave and all of the wonderful musicians, fans, JMDL support and the effort to bring this wonderful CD together and do something I have worked 30 years to do--make Jeff like Joni. I'm both a jazz fan and a Joni fan, so the "Safaris" Cd is getting worn out. Good thing I have two of them. Dave and Robin - please let me and the rest of JMDL know all of the places we can help get the word out about "Safaris." A list of all of the places we can write reviews? Amazon? Where else. Please don't hold back. There are many of us who would like to help make this a great success. Best, Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller Jackson Browne was Joni's opening act when I saw her years ago (the first time I ever saw her) at Massey Hall in Toronto. That was in between the "Blue" and "For the Roses" albums, so probably around 1972? I didn't know much about Joni's personal life back then. In fact, I never knew much about her personal life until joining this list (whenever that was!) I guess I just never thought about it much (that might have wrecked all the projecting I may have been doing - heh heh.) I was surprised too, later, (much later!), when I learned they had been lovers. They can't have been together very long. Anyway, is it just me, or does anyone else feel a bit of a hate on for people who did Joni wrong? I knew there was something about Jackson Browne I didn't like, but I never could put my finger on it! (OK, that was kind of a joke, but I never got into him anyway.) ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: JMDL Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 5:46:48 PM Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller Just realized I didn't respond to this. When I was first working on the book, I too was surprised by the whole episode, but mainly because of the "Car On A Hill"/Jackson Browne connection. Back then, anyone who read Rolling Stone (or all the album credits) knew about Joni's relationships with Graham Nash and JT, but Jackson? Not so much. All I remember was that she played electric piano on his "Sing My Songs To Me" from *For Everyman*, an album my friends and I assumed was all about Phyllis. (Pretty presumptuous of us, eh?) ;-) Anyway, the older I get, the more I am reminded that it's best to keep an open mind---sometimes it's the only thing I feel capable of changing anymore. :-) T Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller Catherine, it must have been an amazing experience to see both Joni and Jackson in Massey Hall.(my favourite venue in Toronto fwiw). Ive had similar feelings about Jackson since learning about the heart ache he caused her. Therein lies the rub. Ive had a few off list chats about this very thing..I love some of Jackson's work, dont own any, but do admit to loving his voice. Very hard to separate the music from the beast, n'est-ce pas?? Mags - --- On Sun, 4/18/10, Catherine McKay wrote: From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller To: "T Peckham" , "JMDL" Received: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 7:26 PM Jackson Browne was Joni's opening act when I saw her years ago (the first time I ever saw her) at Massey Hall in Toronto. That was in between the "Blue" and "For the Roses" albums, so probably around 1972? I didn't know much about Joni's personal life back then. In fact, I never knew much about her personal life until joining this list (whenever that was!) I guess I just never thought about it much (that might have wrecked all the projecting I may have been doing - heh heh.) I was surprised too, later, (much later!), when I learned they had been lovers. They can't have been together very long. Anyway, is it just me, or does anyone else feel a bit of a hate on for people who did Joni wrong? I knew there was something about Jackson Browne I didn't like, but I never could put my finger on it! (OK, that was kind of a joke, but I never got into him anyway.) ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: JMDL Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 5:46:48 PM Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller Just realized I didn't respond to this. When I was first working on the book, I too was surprised by the whole episode, but mainly because of the "Car On A Hill"/Jackson Browne connection. Back then, anyone who read Rolling Stone (or all the album credits) knew about Joni's relationships with Graham Nash and JT, but Jackson? Not so much. All I remember was that she played electric piano on his "Sing My Songs To Me" from *For Everyman*, an album my friends and I assumed was all about Phyllis. (Pretty presumptuous of us, eh?) ;-) Anyway, the older I get, the more I am reminded that it's best to keep an open mind---sometimes it's the only thing I feel capable of changing anymore. :-) T Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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