From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #106 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 13 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 106 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Folly bars [] paciderm [roberta@nietzsche.net] Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" [Anita G ] Re: paciderm [Anita G ] Re: Dreams and such NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Dreams and such NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Dreams and such NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Dreams and such NJC [Anita G ] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Catherine McKay ] Joni Near Misses ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Dreams and such NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Near Misses [] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Dave Blackburn ] Re: paciderm ["Mark" ] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Catherine McKay ] RE: You're hoping it's near Folly [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: useless info about Javex NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: Joni Near Misses ["Lindsay Moon" ] CLOUDS [Sam Stone ] Re: Dreams and such NJC ["Mark" ] Re: CLOUDS [Catherine McKay ] Re: CLOUDS [Stephen_Epstein@hugoboss.com] Re: CLOUDS ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:53:49 -0400 From: Subject: Folly bars Searching for new potential Joni "Heritage" sites, I found the following: There is a Folly restaurant in St. Johns, Newfoundland. A review says it is "Good for bar scene." But alas, it only opened in 2009. There is the Applause Feast and Folly Theatre in Regina, Saskatchewan. Hmmmmmm...... The name sounds a bit Joni to me. There is also a Fort Folly First Nation in New Brunswick, Canada. And you know there may be more. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:24:15 -0400 From: roberta@nietzsche.net Subject: paciderm Hey all In the line of unknown joni words here's one i don't know from 'Blue Motel': ''paciderm'' forgive spelling as i dont have a lyric sheet to check..''hanging off your boom boom paciderm'' - The easy answer is the man's swollen, capricious member - any other ideas? On another note entirely I have a vinyl copy of Mingus, which, inside, has a painting of the man himself; he is dark blue wearing a striped gown-type garment. I have never seen this painting before, anywhere? Anyone else? I am, frankly, thrilled to pieces at this find! follyly Oriole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:09:17 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" On 11 April 2010 19:31, wrote: > In terms of Recovery, service work and practicing humility on a daily basis are key to leading a happy life, free from being a slave. > > Jody > That's a really lovely thing to know, Jody. Thank you. It sounds a really a good idea even if you're not in recovery. Makes even more of these few lines from Barangrill Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:17:31 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: paciderm I have only found this Pachyderm: . thick-skinned animal, especially elephant. pachydermal, pachydermatous, pachydermous, a. pachydermia, n. elephantiasis. pachyglossal, a. thick-tongued. pachymenia, n. thickening of skin or membrane. pachymeninx, n. dura mater. pachymeter, n. thickness-measuring instrument. It spells large dick to me! Or I guess he could also be thick skinned as well, as in insensitive. However, where did Joni find that word? She must have been reading the dictionary that day/ Anita > > ''paciderm'' forgive spelling as i dont have a lyric sheet to check..''hanging > off your boom boom paciderm'' - The easy answer is the man's swollen, > capricious member - any other ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:33:04 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC Finally back from Zurich and had some time to address my beotch in Utah. Still having fantasies about me are you dear? What a wanker! The drag thing is "so ten minutes ago"! I tried to get Smurph and Chuck and Muller et al. to dress up in drag to crash the Sugarpants gig thru the "rear door" on stage at the Full Moon. I guess none of them were comfortable enough with their feminine side to pull it off (so to speak). Or maybe they had too much respect for all dem old broads in Sugarpants group. It would have been hilarious. I still have the pics of Smurph dressed in drag years later which are memories I cherish. The whole temple/Jesus thing is a little beyond me and it's a little sick frankly but then you always were a kinky girl. Glad to see you are back posting regardless of the content. Hope you come to Pazfest II Luv Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Apr 6, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Alison E wrote: I'm thinking rent out a "ski lodge" in the summer, something akin to the Full Moon but smaller probably, and in real mountains. LOL. Our mountains are only 30 minutes or so from downtown SLC, so we could really mix it up, get Michael Paz to the temple for instance, see if we can't get some Jesus into him. Get Muller to some of our *incredible* local breweries. Get Ashara back to the veggie restaurant she loves. Someday, I'll plan it. Alison E. in SLC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:33:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC Thanks for finding this. I forgot all about this. Paz (putting on blue eyeshadow to begin dress rehearsals) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Mark wrote: - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alison E" Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:27 PM To: Subject: Dreams and such NJC > Hi JMDL! > had a great dream last night that I was hosting a Jonifest out here in SLC, Michael Paz showed up in drag (the BEST blue eyeshadow) and Kakki was bugged I brought my kids. LOL! We were gonna have some fun, though, as soon as I found a babysitter. Also, I've been thinking of Smurph so much over the last few days.... I found this in the JMDL archives not long ago and pulled it out. It's a Smurph parody and it fits the Paz in Drag theme somewhat: Harry and the Kingpin (SJC) Murphycopy Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:38:54 -0700 It looks like I don't get to go to P-town (Provincetown, Mass) this summer because time and work, etc., never did that synchronically thing. In my semi-bitterness, I wrote the following parody. I hope you like it. -- Bob Harry and the Kingpin The buff man arrives Twinkie shot boys greet him Guys dressed like cops great him P-town, hot men, abs and pecs rippling Here's the tribe The victims of Stairmasters The band sounds like Stairmasters The buff man he's not lisping His eyes hold Harry His left hand holds Bud Light What does that wrist desire That he holds it just right Harry in the ring The picked-over guys are discoing A man in a platinum wig is vamping Southpaws for now withdrawn One by one they fling His other-guy stories at him His Liams and his Louies at him In Calvins they look on The men Kingpin's taken grow cold too soon He ships their sunburned asses Off to Saskatoon Harry in his house Kingpin in a heap is snoring While bugs in his balls are still scoring Half-dreams, half-delirious schemes Haunt Harry's head If I only had nice blinds Romantic, crisp white blinds We'd probably get along Harry and the Kingpin Both know songs by Cher And drifting guy to guy They dare not look too gay You know they dare not look too gay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC This song parody is so freakin' brilliant. I don't remember seeing it before and I can't understand why not. I don't understand some of the references and it's a real shame that only a handful of people in the world would get the Joni references, otherwise I'd want to share this with lots of people, so they could see how brilliant Smurf/Smurphy truly was. I just read this at work and, as usually happens in such cases, I'm singing it in my mind. Then I got to this part and it got me laughing so hard, I almost had an asthma attack: The men Kingpin's taken grow cold too soon >He ships their sunburned asses >Off to Saskatoon > > And I can't even share it with the class (the other people at work, that is), because they just wouldn't get it. ________________________________ From: Michael Paz To: Mark Cc: Alison E ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 8:33:58 AM Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC Thanks for finding this. I forgot all about this. Paz (putting on blue eyeshadow to begin dress rehearsals) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Mark wrote: - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alison E" Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:27 PM To: Subject: Dreams and such NJC > Hi JMDL! > had a great dream last night that I was hosting a Jonifest out here in SLC, Michael Paz showed up in drag (the BEST blue eyeshadow) and Kakki was bugged I brought my kids. LOL! We were gonna have some fun, though, as soon as I found a babysitter. Also, I've been thinking of Smurph so much over the last few days.... I found this in the JMDL archives not long ago and pulled it out. It's a Smurph parody and it fits the Paz in Drag theme somewhat: Harry and the Kingpin (SJC) Murphycopy Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:38:54 -0700 It looks like I don't get to go to P-town (Provincetown, Mass) this summer because time and work, etc., never did that synchronically thing. In my semi-bitterness, I wrote the following parody. I hope you like it. -- Bob Harry and the Kingpin The buff man arrives Twinkie shot boys greet him Guys dressed like cops great him P-town, hot men, abs and pecs rippling Here's the tribe The victims of Stairmasters The band sounds like Stairmasters The buff man he's not lisping His eyes hold Harry His left hand holds Bud Light What does that wrist desire That he holds it just right Harry in the ring The picked-over guys are discoing A man in a platinum wig is vamping Southpaws for now withdrawn One by one they fling His other-guy stories at him His Liams and his Louies at him In Calvins they look on The men Kingpin's taken grow cold too soon He ships their sunburned asses Off to Saskatoon Harry in his house Kingpin in a heap is snoring While bugs in his balls are still scoring Half-dreams, half-delirious schemes Haunt Harry's head If I only had nice blinds Romantic, crisp white blinds We'd probably get along Harry and the Kingpin Both know songs by Cher And drifting guy to guy They dare not look too gay You know they dare not look too gay __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:58:57 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm It's been previously discussed and I think what makes the most sense is that she's singing about John Guerin (and her breakup with same) and the "boom-boom pachyderms" are the thick drumskins. Not sure if this was his reference or hers. It's consistent with "n. thickening of skin or membrane." Plus, it's a very cool rhyme with "germs", no? Bob NP: Jack Johnson, "I Shall Be Released" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:30:55 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC On 12 April 2010 14:59, Catherine McKay wrote: > This song parody is so freakin' brilliant. I don't remember seeing it before > and I can't understand why not. > Oh my, it's so funny! You are so right. Smurph was a genius. I have literally been crying with laughter over this. I remember a spate some years ago of some very witty parodies and I seem to recall guffawing over something of yours too, Catherine. Was it Shades of Scarlet Conquering (SOSC)? Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm Did I just make this up, or did I read it here somewhere ages ago? Couldn't "Boom-boom pachy-derm" be a name for a particular drummer's beat as well? Do we have any drummers on this list? I don't know if there's a common lingo for particular beats, or if the drummer just makes something up to help them remember a particular beat. For example, in the Phil Collins' song "Sussudio," I remember reading that the song's name relates to a particular sound of a particular drum-beat pattern. I thought it might be something other drummers also used, but just checked it out and apparently this is just a name Collins used. Here's a blurb from a website called "Songfacts," where various people were discussing the logic behind the song's name (http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1908.): "On a 1997 episode of VH1 Storytellers, Collins said: "This is one of those examples of improvising lyrics. You know, sometimes you can use the lyric, other times you're in big trouble, because what you write doesn't mean anything. So I set up this drum-machine pad, and I got some chords, and I started to sing into the microphone, and this word came out, which was "sus-sussudio." It just literally came out, at the time... that was back when I could dance, so I kind of knew I had to find something else for that word, then I went back and tried to find another word that scanned as well as "sussudio," and I couldn't find one, so I went back to "sussudio." Then I thought OK, let's give it a meaning, what is it? The lyrics are based on this schoolboy crush on this girl at school. It's happening with my daughter now, she's 8 years old and she loves this boy, but she won't tell him, like in the lyrics this boy loves her but they don't talk about it... how do they know? 'I know she likes me, I know she likes me, doesn't know my name, doesn't know I exist, but I know she likes me'... So that's what the song is about, so "sussudio" became a name for this person, and since it's become a name for a horse. My older daughter's got a horse called Sussudio, and I'm sure there are children all over the world with the name Sussudio, so I apologize for that." " ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Anita G Cc: joni@smoe.org; roberta@nietzsche.net Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:58:57 AM Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm It's been previously discussed and I think what makes the most sense is that she's singing about John Guerin (and her breakup with same) and the "boom-boom pachyderms" are the thick drumskins. Not sure if this was his reference or hers. It's consistent with "n. thickening of skin or membrane." Plus, it's a very cool rhyme with "germs", no? Bob NP: Jack Johnson, "I Shall Be Released" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:45:39 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni Near Misses We were on a trip to Palm Springs recently and during some down time I was flipping channels on TV. I rested on one where a lady was being interviewed about getting a petition signed to get a historic building saved from demolition. The interviewer, a middle-aged gentleman said, "So it's just like the song!" Surprise 1. Then another day I found a show on VH-1 or something on Easter talking about little unexpected surprises in things, "Easter eggs," as in the Black Crows when you thought the album was over . and up comes their version of "Big Yellow Taxi." Surprise 2. Then I bought a book which I'd read a review of a year or so ago called The Glass Castle by Jeannette Walls about her unbelievable yet true childhood growing up with completely irresponsible yet very smart parents, her chronic alcoholic father, their four kids scrounging dumpsters for food, running out on rent, etc. Her father takes her into a bar and she writes: "On the jukebox, Kitty Wells was singing about married men and honky-tonk angels." Hello!? How funny that these things keep appearing. A little brightness to a rainy day in San Diego. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC It was probably the parody on "don't interrupt the sorrow" that I did ages ago. We were rewriting Joni lyrics in archaic or Shakespearean language. This was then done as a beatnik beat poem by Sugarpants at a Jonifest - and Smurf took part in that too with the occasional beat on a drum. You had to be there. I don't have the lyrics anymore, but I'm sure they're in the archives. I don't even remember how long ago that was! ________________________________ I remember a spate some years ago of some very witty parodies and I seem to recall guffawing over something of yours too, Catherine. Was it Shades of Scarlet Conquering (SOSC)? Anita x __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:16:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: Joni Near Misses Did you mean Counting Crows? A cover of BYT from the Black Crowes would indeed be a surprise...but a welcome one! Victor NP: Song for Melissa unexpected surprises in things, "Easter eggs," as in the Black Crows when you thought the album was over . and up comes their version of "Big Yellow Taxi." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:19:01 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm Well I'm a drummer Catherine, and yes we do have onomatopoeic words for beats, especially fills. Some of the ones I use with my students to help them remember the fills are "pappodum" and "Pat Boone, Debbie Boone" and of course the final flourish of a song, "Bucket o' fish". They are common al least within a certain town or region as they are good for making fellow players chuckle so they get passed on. As for "Boom Boom Pachyderm" it would make a nice simile of a drum fill but I suspect in Joni's song it's probably the obvious lewd connotation with a humorous turn of phrase to help get it across. bucket 'o fish.... Dave On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Did I just make this up, or did I read it here somewhere ages ago? > Couldn't > "Boom-boom pachy-derm" be a name for a particular drummer's beat as > well? Do > we have any drummers on this list? I don't know if there's a common > lingo for > particular beats, or if the drummer just makes something up to help > them > remember a particular beat. > > For example, in the Phil Collins' song > "Sussudio," I remember reading that the song's name relates to a > particular > sound of a particular drum-beat pattern. I thought it might be > something other > drummers also used, but just checked it out and apparently this is > just a name > Collins used. Here's a blurb from a website called "Songfacts," > where various > people were discussing the logic behind the song's name > (http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1908.): > > "On a 1997 episode of VH1 > Storytellers, Collins said: "This is one of those examples of > improvising > lyrics. You know, sometimes you can use the lyric, other times > you're in big > trouble, because what you write doesn't mean anything. So I set up > this > drum-machine pad, and I got some chords, and I started to sing into > the > microphone, and this word came out, which was "sus-sussudio." It just > literally came out, at the time... that was back when I could dance, > so I kind > of knew I had to find something else for that word, then I went back > and tried > to find another word that scanned as well as "sussudio," and I > couldn't find > one, so I went back to "sussudio." Then I thought OK, let's give it > a meaning, > what is it? The lyrics are based on this schoolboy crush on this > girl at > school. It's happening with my daughter now, she's 8 years old and > she loves > this boy, but she won't tell him, like in the lyrics this boy loves > her but > they don't talk about it... how do > they know? 'I know she likes me, I know she likes me, doesn't know > my name, > doesn't know I exist, but I know she likes me'... So that's what the > song is > about, so "sussudio" became a name for this person, and since it's > become a > name for a horse. My older daughter's got a horse called Sussudio, > and I'm > sure there are children all over the world with the name Sussudio, > so I > apologize for that." " > > > ________________________________ > From: > "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Anita G > > Cc: joni@smoe.org; roberta@nietzsche.net > Sent: > Mon, April 12, 2010 9:58:57 AM > Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm > > It's been > previously discussed and I think what makes the most sense is > that she's > singing about John Guerin (and her breakup with same) and the > "boom-boom > pachyderms" are the thick drumskins. Not sure if this was his > reference or > hers. It's consistent with "n. thickening of skin or > membrane." > > Plus, it's a > very cool rhyme with "germs", no? > > Bob > > NP: Jack Johnson, "I Shall Be > Released" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The > information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it > is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or > privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message > you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message > is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and > delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views > of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite > sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:47:40 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: paciderm - -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:24 AM To: Subject: paciderm > > On another note entirely I have a vinyl copy of Mingus, which, inside, has > a > painting of the man himself; he is dark blue wearing a striped gown-type > garment. I have never seen this painting before, anywhere? Anyone else? I > am, > frankly, thrilled to pieces at this find! > > > follyly > Oriole I believe that painting is titled 'Chair in the Sky' and is one of my favorite pieces of Joni's art to be found in one of her albums. It's a very powerful painting. I think the Mingus vinyl record album cover is one of Joni's most beautiful. You just can't get the same impact from a little cd booklet insert as you get from those big cardboard sleeves. Especially the gatefolds with all the lyrics printed inside, big enough so that you don't have to use a magnifying glass to actually read them. Hejira has that wonderful picture of Joni with her crow costume on the record sleeve, wings spread and the cap of feathers accentuating those elegant cheek-bones so beautifully. And then of course there's the infamous picture of Joni's backside on the inside of 'For the Roses'. Another stunning photo of Joni standing on that rock, looking way out at the ocean... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm With Joni, as we all know and as we've recently discussed (and may still be discussing) with regard to Folly, there is rarely just ONE explanation for anything! (Pappodum sounds kind of like Pachyderm, by the way.) Shave and a haircut! ________________________________ From: Dave Blackburn To: Catherine McKay Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Anita G ; joni@smoe.org; roberta@nietzsche.net Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 11:19:01 AM Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm Well I'm a drummer Catherine, and yes we do have onomatopoeic words for beats, especially fills. Some of the ones I use with my students to help them remember the fills are "pappodum" and "Pat Boone, Debbie Boone" and of course the final flourish of a song, "Bucket o' fish". They are common al least within a certain town or region as they are good for making fellow players chuckle so they get passed on. As for "Boom Boom Pachyderm" it would make a nice simile of a drum fill but I suspect in Joni's song it's probably the obvious lewd connotation with a humorous turn of phrase to help get it across. bucket 'o fish.... Dave __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:39:43 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: You're hoping it's near Folly Whoa, I'm so out of the loop here. I've been singing "You're hoping it's mere folly ..." for 37 years. It makes sense it's an imaginary place like Barangrill or Utopia (which was written around the same time as Erasmus, for all you medieval literature fans, which clearly there are some here!!). :-) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:09:11 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: You're hoping it's near Folly Well jonimitchell.com appears to be down again, but the lyrics on the FTR album have Humble, Pure and Folly all as proper nouns (or at least all capitalized). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Susan Tierney McNamara > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:40 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: You're hoping it's near Folly > > Whoa, I'm so out of the loop here. I've been singing "You're hoping > it's mere folly ..." for 37 years. It makes sense it's an imaginary > place like Barangrill or Utopia (which was written around the same time > as Erasmus, for all you medieval literature fans, which clearly there > are some here!!). :-) > > Take care, Sue > > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:46:11 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: useless info about Javex NJC Sadly, I am pretty sure that Javex was bought out by the American Clorox Corporation, because last time I bought a bottle of Javex, it said something like "JAVEX by Clorox", and the bottles are now shaped like a Clorox bottle. It annoys me when the popular brands are bought up by a bigger company and the name is changed to something stupid like "Javex by Clorox" - just like Libby's Beans now being called "Libby's Beans by Heinz" or something stupid like that, and I was even more confused buying dishwasher detergent the other day when I saw "Finish is the new name for Electrosol", and I was wondering which it was - was it Finish or was it Electrosol? Which one bit the dust? Maybe I just spend too much time thinking when I shop. But do know that "Javex by Clorox bottles" would be a real challenge for Joni to sing. Another oddball thing (since I am already off-topic), is that when I moved to Saskatchewan, chocolate milk was called "Vi-Co". Why, I have no idea, but anyway, even though it is no longer called Vi-Co on the carton, I bet you could walk into any store or cafe and order a Vico and they'd know what you were talking about. Hmmm, too bad Joni didn't sing "there was Vi-Co and toast and honey" instead.... Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: useless info about Javex NJC You're not the only one who notices things like that. They've been doing weird things with names of toilet paper too. They started using "Charmin" as a name for something that used to be called something else, although I don't remember the name off-hand. I'm sure the "Charmin" name has been used in the US for ages, because I remember those, "Don't squeeze the Charmin" TV commercials that we'd see on the American TV stations. I guess someone thought "Charmin" was a much better name than whatever-else-it was called. It might be the one with the white fluffy kittens on it (would you wipe your @$$ with a kitten? How cruel!) I do know that they had both names on it for quite a while and possibly still do. I only buy the stuff that's on sale, so it's not usually that particular product. I didn't realize that Javex and Clorox bottles didn't look the same. Shows you how much I notice. I try to stay away from bleach altogether and that's probably why my whites are more like greys. (Note to self: don't buy white stuff.) I wonder what Vi-Co means? Was the dairy industry owned by one company (that would be the "Co") whose name started with "Vi"? Maybe they had cornered the market in Saskatchewan for chocolate milk. One of the big dairy names here in Ontario and I think in Quebec too is "Parmalat." I understand it's owned by a family with roots in Italy, and the Parma part is a reference to Parma in Italy (where Parmagiano cheese comes from) and the "lat" part is shortened from the Italian "latte," which just means "milk," not a fancy coffee. The name just sounds yucky to me, even now that I know where it comes from. I don't remember enough of the product names, but I've noticed a rash of "X by Y" names recently. That laundry detergent for "fine washables" has gone back and forth between "Woolite" and "Zero" and sometimes they've had both names on the shelf at the same time except that "Woolite" is marketed towards washing woolens and Zero towards lingerie or something, and yet I think they are exactly the same product. And Rexall drugstores changed their name to PharmaPlus and before that, they were even Boots for a while (as in the UK one) but lately they seem to be reverting back to Rexall more and more, and I have no idea why. I notice enough of this stuff to have a bit of a WTF? moment whenever I see one but it looks like a sign that eventually all companies will be bought out by one or two mega-companies (will be? it's already a fact in many cases) and we'll all be at the mercy of corporations. That is, if we aren't already. My daughter recently saw a documentary film about how the Disney company owns a lot more than we might think they do and then there's the tobacco companies who own food companies, but they don't exactly make that common knowledge, because people just don't want to know that the same people who are making cigarettes could be making baby formula. On a somewhat-related theme, I absolutely cannot stand how EVERYTHING these days seems to have some kind of corporate branding on it, whether it's a concert hall or a hospital wing or a building at the local university. You can't get away from it. I suppose it's not that much different than naming these things after dead white guys who had lots of money, but I'd rather have things named after people who have accomplished things that aren't related to financial status. ________________________________ From: Robert Procyk To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 4:46:11 PM Subject: useless info about Javex NJC Sadly, I am pretty sure that Javex was bought out by the American Clorox Corporation, because last time I bought a bottle of Javex, it said something like "JAVEX by Clorox", and the bottles are now shaped like a Clorox bottle. It annoys me when the popular brands are bought up by a bigger company and the name is changed to something stupid like "Javex by Clorox" - just like Libby's Beans now being called "Libby's Beans by Heinz" or something stupid like that, and I was even more confused buying dishwasher detergent the other day when I saw "Finish is the new name for Electrosol", and I was wondering which it was - was it Finish or was it Electrosol? Which one bit the dust? Maybe I just spend too much time thinking when I shop. But do know that "Javex by Clorox bottles" would be a real challenge for Joni to sing. Another oddball thing (since I am already off-topic), is that when I moved to Saskatchewan, chocolate milk was called "Vi-Co". Why, I have no idea, but anyway, even though it is no longer called Vi-Co on the carton, I bet you could walk into any store or cafe and order a Vico and they'd know what you were talking about. Hmmm, too bad Joni didn't sing "there was Vi-Co and toast and honey" instead.... Rob __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:29:23 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Joni Near Misses Of course I did! Dang! I think I hadn't had enough coffee yet. Thanks, Victor. Lindsay - -----Original Message----- From: waytoblue@comcast.net [mailto:waytoblue@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:17 AM To: Lindsay; joni Subject: Re: Joni Near Misses Did you mean Counting Crows? A cover of BYT from the Black Crowes would indeed be a surprise...but a welcome one! Victor NP: Song for Melissa unexpected surprises in things, "Easter eggs," as in the Black Crows when you thought the album was over . and up comes their version of "Big Yellow Taxi." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:25:40 -0400 From: Sam Stone Subject: CLOUDS Hi JMDLers! As a new, young fan of Joni's, I am proud to say I have bought my first JONI recording: CLOUDS. I have everything she's ever created in MP3 on my PC, but this is my first physical recording. I bought it at an LP & Tape Exchange shop near my house. It was the best $3.50 I've ever spent. I ran home and immediately put it on my turntable. There's something so much better about listening to vinyl rather than MP3. It's a special experience. Just wanted to tell you guys of this accomplishment. I'm officially a Joni-ac. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:19:12 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC I remember 'Joni in Other Words' which was taking Joni's lyrics and trying to write them with all different words but convey the same meaning. It was fun. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:48 AM To: "Anita G" Cc: "Michael Paz" ; "Mark" ; "Alison E" ; Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC > It was probably the parody on "don't interrupt the sorrow" that I did ages > ago. We were rewriting Joni lyrics in archaic or Shakespearean language. > This was then done as a beatnik beat poem by Sugarpants at a Jonifest - > and > Smurf took part in that too with the occasional beat on a drum. You had > to be > there. I don't have the lyrics anymore, but I'm sure they're in the > archives. > I don't even remember how long ago that was! > ________________________________ > I remember a spate some years ago of some > very witty parodies and I > seem to recall guffawing over something of yours > too, Catherine. Was > it Shades of Scarlet Conquering (SOSC)? > Anita x > __________________________________________________________________ > The new > Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get > it > Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: CLOUDS Welcome, Sam. Clouds was also the first Joni LP I ever had - but it was about 40 years ago! :-) ________________________________ From: Sam Stone To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 7:25:40 PM Subject: CLOUDS Hi JMDLers! As a new, young fan of Joni's, I am proud to say I have bought my first JONI recording: CLOUDS. I have everything she's ever created in MP3 on my PC, but this is my first physical recording. I bought it at an LP & Tape Exchange shop near my house. It was the best $3.50 I've ever spent. I ran home and immediately put it on my turntable. There's something so much better about listening to vinyl rather than MP3. It's a special experience. Just wanted to tell you guys of this accomplishment. I'm officially a Joni-ac. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:39:57 -0400 From: Stephen_Epstein@hugoboss.com Subject: Re: CLOUDS Hi Sam, Thanks for your post and welcome to the list! I often have "album" nights when all I spin are LP's- and yes, I too find the sound quality more superior than cds. Some months back I found a near mint LP of Don Juan's Reckless Daugther- for $9.99- which an ex girlfriend stole- it was a GREAT find too! enjoy our list best Stephen in Toronto NP: Ferraby Lionheart- the jack of hearts a GREAT recent discovery Hi JMDLers! As a new, young fan of Joni's, I am proud to say I have bought my first JONI recording: CLOUDS. I have everything she's ever created in MP3 on my PC, but this is my first physical recording. I bought it at an LP & Tape Exchange shop near my house. It was the best $3.50 I've ever spent. I ran home and immediately put it on my turntable. There's something so much better about listening to vinyl rather than MP3. It's a special experience. Just wanted to tell you guys of this accomplishment. I'm officially a Joni-ac. This e-mail (and/or attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. Use or disclosure of it by anyone other than a designated addressee is unauthorized. If you are not an intended recipient, please delete this e-mail from the computer on which you received it. We thank you for notifying us immediately. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:14:09 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: CLOUDS - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:58 PM To: "Sam Stone" ; Subject: Re: CLOUDS I think it was the second one I bought after Court and Spark. 40 years ago is probably close. Oh the days of vinyl records. Welcome aboard, Sam. And congratulations on your purchase. Mark in Seattle > Welcome, Sam. Clouds was also the first Joni LP I ever had - but it was > about 40 years ago! :-) > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sam Stone > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 7:25:40 PM > Subject: CLOUDS > > Hi JMDLers! > > As a new, young fan of Joni's, I am proud to say I have bought my first > JONI > recording: CLOUDS. I have everything she's ever created in MP3 on my PC, > but this is my first physical recording. I bought it at an LP & Tape > Exchange shop near my house. It was the best $3.50 I've ever spent. I > ran > home and immediately put it on my turntable. There's something so much > better about listening to vinyl rather than MP3. It's a special > experience. > > Just wanted to tell you guys of this accomplishment. I'm officially a > Joni-ac. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2010 #106 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------