From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #103 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 10 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 103 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Fiddle and The Sydney Opera House [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Website Question [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Website Question [Catherine McKay ] Re: Homosexual priests, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Homosexual priests, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The Fiddle and The Sydney Opera House [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC American Idol catch-up (SPOILER ALERT) ["Mark" ] Re: Shiny Toys/Guilty Pleasure [Catherine McKay ] Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" [Dave Blackburn ] Voices on videotape (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: NJC American Idol catch-up (SPOILER ALERT) ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 18:35:06 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: The Fiddle and The Sydney Opera House I have written to Phil Bathols, head of Spiritworks (the company responsible for the recent Joni Mitchell tribute show which sold out in three states) to see if they would be interested in getting behind an Australian tour of Alberta Ballet's, The Fiddle and The Drum. I had a chat to Phil on FaceBook about the possibility too and he said it might be something they would be interested in. He is going to look into it. I suggested that it would be the sort of show that would fit very well with the Festival of Sydney. I see it doing very well at the SOH. Possibly as a cultural swap with the Sydney Dance Company. I have offered my assistance. I'll fill you in as information comes to hand. Mark in Sydney NP Halcyon Days - Wendy Matthews ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 09:56:04 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: NJC American Idol catch-up (SPOILER ALERT) Bob, thanks for the Spoiler Alert as I recorded the lot and watched it all last night (performances and result). Your review is absolutely on the money. Siobhan whom I loved originally is seeming more and more disorientated by it all, while Mama Sox (what a GREAT name for Crystal) consistently strides onwards. Goldilocks was indeed the revelation. He's done nothing for me whatsoever, but I though his Jealous Guy was really excellent. Yes, and it was right they saved Big Mike. I think Anne was saying that this season is a bit of a let down and I think she's right. Maybe the show has run the course. I think Idol is ready for the X Factor show. I can imagine heaps of brilliant young groups in the US just waiting to show the world their abilities. And I am with you all on how awful the stringing everyone along and dragging out the result is painful to watch. Cruel and horrible. It also seems like in the US have double the commercial breaks that we have and I think we have WAY too many. I am so glad I can just scroll through them. It must add an hour to whole thing. However, like you Cat, I am sadly still hooked. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:14:11 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Homosexual priests, njc I know I have mentioned here before that I worked for several years with survivors of abuse, until, quite honestly, I couldn't take it anymore. My dreams were being invaded and I was completely burnt out. I now run courses for therapists who may be experiencing vicarious traumatisation as a consequence of working with abuse survivors. I understand well the outrage at the cover ups and refusal by the Catholic Church to accept full responsibility. It doesn't surprise me at all that some memebers of the Church want to blame homosexuals. They just have to find someone to blame to avoid looking within and truly embrace all that has happened. One of the things that helped me at the time I was burned out was meeting with a wonderful Catholic nun who listened to me and was doing all she could personally to support those who had been abused as well as making no excuses. She certainly didn't blame homosexuals, seeing abuse as all about power being misused. On a personal level, I know she will be feeling great sorrow at this latest piece of news. It just drags everything on and on for the survivors and takes the chance of them finding peace further and further away. I was simply outraged at the recent comparison made about the persecution of the Catholic Church being similar to the persecution of the Jews under the Nazis. It seems impossible for people to own their shadows Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 05:11:56 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Website Question "My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after all,...." The word 'Folly' is capatilized in the lyrics.....leading me to believe it would be a place too, and "headed that way for sure" .....a play on the whole thought that it's a place but can also mean absurdity...a play on words sentence. Maybe one for the grammer police! Laura I've always wondered if the line "you're hoping it's near Folly" is referring to Folly Beach which is outside of Charleston, SC where I live. Any idea if that might be the case?> I don't claim to definitively know the answer, but I'm willing to bet a paycheck that Joni is NOT referring to the obscure SC location. She's stated that most of the visuals for the song (Barangrill) came from actual things she witnessed while on the WEST coast (the 3 waitresses, the guy singing like Nat King Cole, etc), and there's nothing contextually to indicate that one of these west coast characters would be heading a couple thousand miles to the other side of the country. My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after all, the next bit says "you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy". Add to all of that the fact that Joni is NOT a fan of the Palmetto State - apparantly she had a bad experience in the state early on in her career. Now, had she mentioned "Folly" in "Blue Motel Room" (which finds her nearby in Savannah), I might argue the other way. Bob, a fellow South Carolinian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 04:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Website Question I wouldn't necessarily trust the printed lyrics. They've been known to be wrong. If Joni makes a hand-written version available, that would be a better clue, but it could still be a personal quirk in any case. But it could also be capitalized the way nouns were generally capitalized hundreds of years ago - or the way certain things (like the Seven Deadly Sins) are capitalized. Maybe Folly is another Deadly Sin. (I almost said Capital Sin.) On the other hand, if Joni meant to capitalize it, I'm sure she did mean it to be taken several different ways. So, if there is no place on the West Coast (caps!) named Folly, maybe there could be. By the way, I have no idea what became of the original poster-to-the-website's email address, and wonder if he would like to hear the various arguments, or if it was just a straight-up question to which he would have preferred a "Yes" or "No" response. Not that there are any straight-up questions with regard to Joni's lyrics. ________________________________ From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 7:11:56 AM Subject: Website Question "My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after all,...." The word 'Folly' is capatilized in the lyrics.....leading me to believe it would be a place too, and "headed that way for sure" .....a play on the whole thought that it's a place but can also mean absurdity...a play on words sentence. Maybe one for the grammer police! Laura I've always wondered if the line "you're hoping it's near Folly" is referring to Folly Beach which is outside of Charleston, SC where I live. Any idea if that might be the case?> I don't claim to definitively know the answer, but I'm willing to bet a paycheck that Joni is NOT referring to the obscure SC location. She's stated that most of the visuals for the song (Barangrill) came from actual things she witnessed while on the WEST coast (the 3 waitresses, the guy singing like Nat King Cole, etc), and there's nothing contextually to indicate that one of these west coast characters would be heading a couple thousand miles to the other side of the country. My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after all, the next bit says "you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy". Add to all of that the fact that Joni is NOT a fan of the Palmetto State - apparantly she had a bad experience in the state early on in her career. Now, had she mentioned "Folly" in "Blue Motel Room" (which finds her nearby in Savannah), I might argue the other way. Bob, a fellow South Carolinian __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 04:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Homosexual priests, njc Hi Anita, Thanks for your words of wisdom and experience. Getting the truth spoken is where it is at for healing. The Nazi/Jew analogy fits the persecution of homosexual people not the church. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Anita G wrote: I know I have mentioned here before that I worked for several years with survivors of abuse, until, quite honestly, I couldn't take it anymore. My dreams were being invaded and I was completely burnt out. I now run courses for therapists who may be experiencing vicarious traumatisation as a consequence of working with abuse survivors. I understand well the outrage at the cover ups and refusal by the Catholic Church to accept full responsibility. It doesn't surprise me at all that some memebers of the Church want to blame homosexuals. They just have to find someone to blame to avoid looking within and truly embrace all that has happened. One of the things that helped me at the time I was burned out was meeting with a wonderful Catholic nun who listened to me and was doing all she could personally to support those who had been abused as well as making no excuses. She certainly didn't blame homosexuals, seeing abuse as all about power being misused. On a personal level, I know she will be feeling great sorrow at this latest piece of news. It just drags everything on and on for the survivors and takes the chance of them finding peace further and further away. I was simply outraged at the recent comparison made about the persecution of the Catholic Church being similar to the persecution of the Jews under the Nazis. It seems impossible for people to own their shadows Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:14:25 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Homosexual priests, njc This whole episode disgusts me totally, and it has been doing so for a LONG time. The Catholics have spent hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars paying off victims of their pedophile priests, now they've even established a toll-free number one can call if they've been molested. And NO ONE gets punished. Basically, if you're giving money to the Catholic Church, you're supporting pedophilia. I will say this about Protestant denominations - when they find out a youth worker/teacher/minister is diddling some kid, that person is GONE, not moved to another church - gone. I don't see where the Catholics have ever eliminated anyone from their ranks even after it was discovered that they violated hundreds of innocent children. It sickens me beyond belief. I don't see how ANYONE can remain a Catholic - I mean, how can you turn a blind eye to THAT? Even after I came upon the discovery that God, Heaven, Hell, etc was all imaginary I continued to go to my Methodist Church because it was an enjoyable social network and I had a lot of friends there. I enjoyed some challenging discussions and pretty much came to the realization that most rational people don't REALLY believe in that stuff but do it because it's the "right" thing to do. BUT when we invaded Iraq, it was a deal-breaker for me and the entire act ran totally in reverse to what Christians are supposed to believe...yet NONE of them seemed to mind. That total lack of understanding of their own belief system made it REAL easy for me to walk away from the whole Christian/church scene with no remorse. 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Unless > something clicks into place as of next week, he'll be gone, although I > think > Tim should have been gone ages ago and should definitely be next. I do > not > understand why Tim is still there, but I guess it's the little girls' > fascination with a particular look - he does look kind of like the young > David > Cassidy and that has appeal for a certain type of young girl, as a > "non-threatening boy." > This has to be the 'mop-top' young guy who sang "'All My Lovin'". My thought while watching him was 'Hmm. David Cassidy does the Beatles.' David Cassidy from about 40 years ago, that is. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:37:31 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Cafe Au Go Go in New York - Marcie This is a pretty interesting video. The first few frames of Joni singing in this video show her wearing a blue beret and sitting on a chair. Then the video flips to show her in the cafe referenced as Cafe Au Go Go in New York. However - the liner notes to the video say " the music appears to be added from the album Song To A Seagull". Now separately, I am pretty sure that the album Song to a Seagull was recorded and produced in studio by David Crosby. However, if you look closely at this video - she doesn't really appear to be lip synching in the few shots you see her actually singing. So can anyone tell me if Marcie was recorded here in NY at Cafe Au Go Go - or in studio? Really curious to know ........... Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:30:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New video in Library: Marcie A new video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Marcie - Cafe Au Go Go, New York 1967 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=194 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:34:55 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Re: Website Question Catherine, Good point about misprinted lyrics. Details can be so important. This is why I would love to see a "Question & Answer with Joni" .........if only she would be inclined to answer some questions on the website on a regular basis, once a month, i.e. (I realize there is some folly to my thinking). Or maybe she just wants to keep us guessing like Carly with "Your So Vain" and rather not dissect her own lyrics. Afterall she is quite clever in her lyric writing and putting messages in code. I'm sure those closest to her may know exactly what she's referring to where the fans can sometimes only wonder.........and discuss. Laura Catherine McKay wrote: > I wouldn't necessarily trust the printed lyrics. They've been known to > be wrong. If Joni makes a hand-written version available, that would > be a better clue, but it could still be a personal quirk in any case. > But it could also be capitalized the way nouns were generally > capitalized hundreds of years ago - or the way certain things (like > the Seven Deadly Sins) are capitalized. Maybe Folly is another Deadly > Sin. (I almost said Capital Sin.) On the other hand, if Joni meant to > capitalize it, I'm sure she did mean it to be taken several different > ways. So, if there is no place on the West Coast (caps!) named Folly, > maybe there could be. > > By the way, I have no idea what became of the original > poster-to-the-website's email address, and wonder if he would like to > hear the various arguments, or if it was just a straight-up question > to which he would have preferred a "Yes" or "No" response. Not that > there are any straight-up questions with regard to Joni's lyrics. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "est86mlm@ameritech.net" > *To:* Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni@smoe.org > *Sent:* Fri, April 9, 2010 7:11:56 AM > *Subject:* Website Question > > "My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after > all,...." > > The word 'Folly' is capatilized in the lyrics.....leading me to > believe it would be a place > too, and "headed that way for sure" .....a play on the whole thought > that it's a place but can also mean absurdity...a play on > words sentence. > Maybe one for the grammer police! > > Laura > > > > > > > > > I've always wondered if the line "you're hoping it's near Folly" is > referring to Folly Beach which is outside of Charleston, SC where I live. > Any idea if that might be the case?> > > I don't claim to definitively know the answer, but I'm willing to bet > a paycheck that Joni is NOT referring to the obscure SC location. > She's stated that most of the visuals for the song (Barangrill) came > from actual things she witnessed while on the WEST coast (the 3 > waitresses, the guy singing like Nat King Cole, etc), and there's > nothing contextually to indicate that one of these west coast > characters would be heading a couple thousand miles to the other side > of the country. My guess is that she is using the word to mean > "absurdity"...after all, the next bit says "you just have to laugh > 'cause it's all so crazy". > Add to all of that the fact that Joni is NOT a fan of the Palmetto > State - apparantly she had a bad experience in the state early on in > her career. > > Now, had she mentioned "Folly" in "Blue Motel Room" (which finds her > nearby in Savannah), I might argue the other way. > > Bob, a fellow South Carolinian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift?* Give the gift of Flickr!* > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:22:39 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: FW: Cafe Au Go Go in New York - Marcie Passing this on to the list. Accidentally sent just to Stewart. - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:18 PM To: 'Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com' Subject: RE: Cafe Au Go Go in New York - Marcie This is from a Japanese VHS called Village Voices: Cafi Au Go Go, 1967. Little Green is obviously a live performance. Marcie has film from a live performance, but the audio is from STAS. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:38 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Cafe Au Go Go in New York - Marcie > > This is a pretty interesting video. The first few frames of Joni > singing in > this video show her wearing a blue beret and sitting on a chair. Then > the > video flips to show her in the cafe referenced as Cafe Au Go Go in New > York. However - the liner notes to the video say " the music appears to > be > added from the album Song To A Seagull". > > Now separately, I am pretty sure that the album Song to a Seagull was > recorded and produced in studio by David Crosby. > > However, if you look closely at this video - she doesn't really appear > to > be lip synching in the few shots you see her actually singing. So can > anyone tell me if Marcie was recorded here in NY at Cafe Au Go Go - or > in > studio? > > Really curious to know ........... > > > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:30:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) > From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com > Subject: New video in Library: Marcie > > A new video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: > > Marcie - Cafe Au Go Go, New York 1967 > > View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=194 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt > from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified > that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:23:32 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: FW: Website question > > referring to Folly Beach which is outside of Charleston, SC where I live. > Any idea if that might be the case?> > > My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after all, > the next bit says "you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy". > Bob, I'd have to agree with you; for all the years I've been listening to that song, I've always thought it was "folly" (as in "foolishness"). Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:58:02 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Shiny Toys/Guilty Pleasure Gang, Long time no post. I've always thought that Shiny Toys is the best dance tune Our Queen ever put out. I LOVE the vid...cause she looks so happy. I would give just about anything to dance it up with Joni on this one. I think I'll slap it on the CD player and burn some calories right now! Love, Russ in the Bay Area, CA Sotto voce _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shiny Toys/Guilty Pleasure I love my Porsche! ________________________________ From: Russell Bowden To: Joni Mitchell Discussion Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 2:58:02 PM Subject: Shiny Toys/Guilty Pleasure Gang, Long time no post. I've always thought that Shiny Toys is the best dance tune Our Queen ever put out. I LOVE the vid...cause she looks so happy. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:28:43 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" Just to play devil's advocate here... After the fascinating thread a couple of years ago about the double meanings (one literal and one more abstract) of the "humble makes pure" line in this song I'd have to say that it's perfect;y possible, even likely that Joni is doing the same cleverness in this line. A quick Google search didn't turn up a town called Folly on the west coast but it could be a small place in Canada or northern California I think. It just seems to fit with the verbal double layer she was using in this song. Even the title is of course a fictional "place" but one we can recognize as a universal eatery. I don't see why Folly wouldn't qualify also. Dave On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:23 AM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> Subject: Re: FW: Website question >> >> > referring to Folly Beach which is outside of Charleston, SC where I >> live. >> Any idea if that might be the case?> >> >> My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after >> all, >> the next bit says "you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy". >> > Bob, I'd have to agree with you; for all the years I've been > listening > to that song, I've always thought it was "folly" (as in > "foolishness"). > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:32:41 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" Leave it to Joni to create something that would create so much interest and discussion decades later. Kenny B In a message dated 4/9/10 4:28:46 PM, beatntrack@sbcglobal.net writes: > Just to play devil's advocate here... > > After the fascinating thread a couple of years ago about the double > meanings (one literal and one more abstract) of the "humble makes > pure" line in this song I'd have to say that it's perfect;y possible, > even likely that Joni is doing the same cleverness in this line. A > quick Google search didn't turn up a town called Folly on the west > coast but it could be a small place in Canada or northern California I > think. It just seems to fit with the verbal double layer she was using > in this song. Even the title is of course a fictional "place" but one > we can recognize as a universal eatery. I don't see why Folly wouldn't > qualify also. > > Dave > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:23 AM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > > >> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > >> Subject: Re: FW: Website question > >> > >> >> referring to Folly Beach which is outside of Charleston, SC where I > >> live. > >> Any idea if that might be the case?> > >> > >> My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after > >> all, > >> the next bit says "you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy". > >> > > Bob, I'd have to agree with you; for all the years I've been > > listening > > to that song, I've always thought it was "folly" (as in > > "foolishness"). > > > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 16:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC i will make it happen someday soon, i swear! and you will now be meeting amelia louise, and her sister, 3 month old hadley ann! hope all is well with you! Congrats on getting close to the finish line on college. that's so great. xoxo alison ________________________________ From: patrick leader To: Alison E ; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni list Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 10:15:39 PM Subject: RE: Dreams and such NJC alison - if you make this happen, i swear i will be there. utah canyons might be enough to entice some of our english friends, and i'll bet the so cal contingent will be there. i've seen that part of the world very little. i'm finishing college this year; i'm not broke all the time for the first time in my life. i wanna come to utah for a jonifest! i wanna see amelia louise! np - perotin - sederunt principes - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Alison E Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:53 PM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni list Subject: Re: Dreams and such NJC I'm thinking rent out a "ski lodge" in the summer, something akin to the Full Moon but smaller probably, and in real mountains. LOL. Our mountains are only 30 minutes or so from downtown SLC, so we could really mix it up, get Michael Paz to the temple for instance, see if we can't get some Jesus into him. Get Muller to some of our *incredible* local breweries. Get Ashara back to the veggie restaurant she loves. Someday, I'll plan it. Alison E. in SLC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:10:14 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Voices on videotape (NJC) Catherine wrote: >Is it just me, or is it just what happens when you hear voices >over that kind of radio? why do all these guys seem to have the same kind of >voice, and the same kind of accent? It's like they put this on when they enter >the military because they must come from different places. Actually, Tom Wolfe has written about "the voice": "In the late 1940's and early 1950's this up-hollow voice drifted down from on high, from the high desert of California...Military pilots, and then, soon, airline pilots, pilots from Maine and Massachusetts and the Dakotas and Oregon and everywhere else began to talk in that poker- hollow West Virginia drawl, or as close to it as they could bend their native accents. It was the drawl of the most righteous of all the possessor's of the right stuff: Chuck Yeager." *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:29:49 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC American Idol catch-up (SPOILER ALERT) It's gotta be the height of irony that Usher and the other 'guest star' singers go on this singing competition program and have their voices slathered with gobs of pitch correction. As to the Lennon-McCartney performances, I didn't like any of them that much, except for Aaron, who sang "Long and Winding Road" beautifully, and got crushed by the judges. I probably would've liked Casey's "Jealous Guy", but he left out a couple of crucial chords, and it just ruined it for me. Bowersox's choice of "Come Together" was a real head- scratcher, especially since she prefaced it by saying the words were so meaningful to her. "he got choo-choo eyeball, he one holy roller"...I think Lennon would readily admit these lyrics are pure nonsense. And of course the judges raved about it and pretty much stay together like a herd of sheep. They also raved about Alex, who was only missing a sequined suit for a perfect Las Vegas era Elvis re-creation. Horrendous. Tim needs to go like, weeks ago, but never underestimate the power of the 12 year-old girl/granny voting block. I've never been much impressed by Big Mike, but was surprised to see him voted out, and I think he was, too. My prediction for winner is Bowersox or Siobahn. As for me, I'd much rather listen to Bob Dylan or Neil Young, neither of whom would stand a fart's chance in a tornado of making the first round. A young Joni, however, 'coulda been a contenda'. Re: Imagine: it's no accident that the 2nd verse was exorcised from national television. You are not allowed to question the cult of nationalism ("Imagine there's no country"). Ditto the line "and no religion, too". Neutered for your protection. RR npimh "Just Gimme Some Truth"-John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Fiddle and The Sydney Opera House This is cool, Mark. I hope it works out. ________________________________ From: Mark-Leon Thorne To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 4:35:06 AM Subject: The Fiddle and The Sydney Opera House I have written to Phil Bathols, head of Spiritworks (the company responsible for the recent Joni Mitchell tribute show which sold out in three states) to see if they would be interested in getting behind an Australian tour of Alberta Ballet's, The Fiddle and The Drum. I had a chat to Phil on FaceBook about the possibility too and he said it might be something they would be interested in. He is going to look into it. I suggested that it would be the sort of show that would fit very well with the Festival of Sydney. I see it doing very well at the SOH. Possibly as a cultural swap with the Sydney Dance Company. I have offered my assistance. I'll fill you in as information comes to hand. Mark in Sydney NP Halcyon Days - Wendy Matthews __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Voices on videotape (NJC) I knew it! I was trying to remember where I had read about that. It's the Chuck Yeager thing. I read that book a long time ago, so i had forgotten. It's interesting about voices. I definitely think there are *types* of voices and that you can sometimes identify certain things about a person by their voice. I don't mean just the accent or the grammar. Lately, part of my job is doing casework in the office where I work. People call and some of them have lots of problems. I'm starting to realize that it's sometimes possible to figure things out about people based on their voice. There are certain whiney types with a particular voice and these are always the ones that threaten to call the media or to sue somebody right off the bat. It's hard to explain this and I don't think I could do a good imitation of it, but there seem to be patterns. Or maybe it's just the same guy calling all the time. Meh. Maybe I'm full o' shite. ________________________________ From: Steve Dulson To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 8:10:14 PM Subject: Voices on videotape (NJC) Catherine wrote: >Is it just me, or is it just what happens when you hear voices >over that kind of radio? why do all these guys seem to have the same kind of >voice, and the same kind of accent? It's like they put this on when they enter >the military because they must come from different places. Actually, Tom Wolfe has written about "the voice": "In the late 1940's and early 1950's this up-hollow voice drifted down from on high, from the high desert of California...Military pilots, and then, soon, airline pilots, pilots from Maine and Massachusetts and the Dakotas and Oregon and everywhere else began to talk in that poker- hollow West Virginia drawl, or as close to it as they could bend their native accents. It was the drawl of the most righteous of all the possessor's of the right stuff: Chuck Yeager." *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. 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