From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2010 #94 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 1 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 094 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- James Taylor - NJC - $4 download [Gerald Notaro ] Re: joni books! help!! [Bob Muller ] Re: Bang your head to Joni [Anita G ] Re: Three questions [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Bang your head to Joni [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Bang your head to Joni ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: thanks! njc [Gina Del Piero ] suicide attempt? [Gina Del Piero ] Me & The Mutt of My Planet On Safari [Walt Breen ] Re: thanks! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Three questions [Catherine McKay ] Re: suicide attempt? [Catherine McKay ] Re: suicide attempt? [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: RE: thanks! njc [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: suicide attempt? ["Mark" ] Re: suicide attempt? [Catherine McKay ] Re: suicide attempt? [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:00:06 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: James Taylor - NJC - $4 download Wolfgang's Vault James Taylor Concert Fillmore East (New York, NY) - Late Show Date: 01.25.1971 Tracks: 15 Total Time: 53:49 Catalog: Bill Graham Concert Summary Other than its being incomplete, one couldn't find much wrong with this vintage live recording of James Taylor. Not only are the recordings themselves of excellent quality, but these two benefit concerts capture Taylor smack dab in the middle of the Mud Slide Slim and the Blue Horizon LP recording sessions. Taylor mentions that the proceeds from these benefits would be directed toward American Indian related charities. This is 1970, awhile before "Native American" became politically correct. The set beginsentire summary James Taylor - guitar, piano, vocals Danny Kortchmar - guitar Leland Sklar - bass Russ Kunkel - drums Other than its being incomplete, one couldn't find much wrong with this vintage live recording of James Taylor. Not only are the recordings themselves of excellent quality, but these two benefit concerts capture Taylor smack dab in the middle of the Mud Slide Slim and the Blue Horizon LP recording sessions. Taylor mentions that the proceeds from these benefits would be directed toward American Indian related charities. This is 1970, awhile before "Native American" became politically correct. The set begins solo acoustic. The late show gets kicked off with "Country Road," from his then chart-topping second album, and is followed by "Knocking 'Round the Zoo," recorded on The Beatles' Apple label a few years earlier with his band, the Flying Machine. Some of the notable rarities from the acoustic portion of the set include a lovely cover of his brother Livingston's tune "In My Reply," along with a slow groove rendition of "Up On The Roof," the big Drifters hit penned by Jerry Goffin and Carole King. Merle Haggard's "Okie From Muskogee" is also given Taylor's laid back treatment to humorous effect. Following "Carolina In My Mind," Taylor introduces his rhythm section, who join him onstage. "Riding On The Railroad" and particularly "Fire And Rain" and "Highway Song," a tune soon to turn up on his brother Alex's album, benefit tremendously from the impeccable backing by Sklar and Kunkel. On the latter song, Taylor switches to piano. At this point, Danny Kortchmar joins in on acoustic lead guitar and completes the quartet for the rest of the set. They perform Kortchmar's "Machine Gun Kelly" and Taylor's "Hey Mister, That's Me Up On The Jukebox," both destined for his next album, before the tape ran out. The set closer "Steamroller Blues" is missing, as well as any encores. Regardless, this is an enjoyable set capturing one of America's great singer/songwriters in his prime. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: joni books! help!! Gina, I'm chiming in late, sorry about that. First and foremost, wade through the articles in the expansive JoniMitchell.com library. Lots and lots of wonderful stuff there. The Leonore Fleischer book is of course a piece of fluff. And I wouldn't want to miss "Girls Like Us", the writer has split it out so you can just read the joni parts and there are lots of biographical details that nobody else gets into. I see that there is a bookseller dumping copies for $5.96 for the hardback and they will ship worldwide. My advice is to devour whatever you can get your hands on. Bob NP: Joni, "Blue" (live 2-16-72) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:41:20 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Bang your head to Joni On 31 March 2010 04:28, Mark wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Cassy" > Are there any songs >> >> that really get you rocking in the car with your foot sort of just >> pressing on the accelerator a bit harder than may be legal? I know "Car on >> a Hill" kind of gets me going sometimes and also the Shadows and Light >> version of "Black Crow." >> >> What about you? > > > Raised on Robbery > > Mark in Seattle The Jungle Line and Talk to Me (but I'd never do anything illegal, of course). Entropy doing 'Dawntreader', (my favourite Joni song of all time) moves me between interest and nightmare. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:55:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Three questions Hey, great news! I managed to get in touch with Joni's people to get a hold of Joni and she answered these 3 questions! From Joni herself: (the answers) 1) What a great question. Probably Oprah. 2) We have a very teasing relationship. You wouldn't understand. 3) I'm immortal of course. - -M ________________________________ From: Willie Yanock To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 6:42:11 PM Subject: Three questions In my opinion, Mr. Mark-Lean Throne raised an interesting line of thought here are the three questions I would ask her highness. 1. Have you ever loved anyone more than yourself? 2. If you say that you believe in a God, why do you disgrace Him? 3. After your failed attempted suicide over the little affair with Jackson Browne, what's stopping you now? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:00:29 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Bang your head to Joni Banquet, from the Wild Things tour. I love this version as it was so unexpected. Jack In a message dated 3/30/2010 10:16:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Siquomb@Comcast.net writes: So I watched the you tube videos of Joni's head-banger fans making covers of her music and I actually liked them both. I like it when creative juices flow and the end result brings more exposure to Joni through a completely different genre. This experience got me thinking though (that's always dangerous) about whether any of Joni's own music causes head-banging? Are there any songs that really get you rocking in the car with your foot sort of just pressing on the accelerator a bit harder than may be legal? I know "Car on a Hill" kind of gets me going sometimes and also the Shadows and Light version of "Black Crow." What about you? Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity ~ me ~ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "JMDL" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Bang your head to Joni > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzM4SNq5HBE > > Don't say I didn't warn you...this is Joni's most personal, most tender, > most poignant song as interpreted by Entropy, a scream metal band. > Definitely not for you purists. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:21:17 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Bang your head to Joni Carey and This flight tonight. I also like the Nazareth cover of TFT. Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Bang your head to Joni > Banquet, from the Wild Things tour. I love this version as it was so > unexpected. > > Jack > > > In a message dated 3/30/2010 10:16:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > Siquomb@Comcast.net writes: > > So I watched the you tube videos of Joni's head-banger fans making covers > of > her music and I actually liked them both. I like it when creative juices > flow and the end result brings more exposure to Joni through a completely > different genre. > > This experience got me thinking though (that's always dangerous) about > whether any of Joni's own music causes head-banging? Are there any songs > that really get you rocking in the car with your foot sort of just > pressing > on the accelerator a bit harder than may be legal? I know "Car on a > Hill" > kind of gets me going sometimes and also the Shadows and Light version of > "Black Crow." > > What about you? > > > Actions speak for themselves - echoing into eternity > ~ me ~ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Muller" > To: "JMDL" > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:47 PM > Subject: Bang your head to Joni > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzM4SNq5HBE >> >> Don't say I didn't warn you...this is Joni's most personal, most tender, >> most poignant song as interpreted by Entropy, a scream metal band. >> Definitely not for you purists. >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:08:14 -0300 From: Gina Del Piero Subject: RE: thanks! njc anne, i took too long to answer because i was very busy trying to believe your rumour.. and im actually starting to.. so.. if you really want to know.. i just dont kill myself because i have too much fun reading these things you say about me, guys.. keep it up!! May your skies be blue, and your love blessed. Joni Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:22:24 +0000 From: anne@sandstrom.com To: gidelpiero@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: thanks! njc psst! Hey, Gina, you might want to start by asking the list what 3 questions they'd ask Joni. LOL So Welcome! This really is a great group (and I lurk way too much lately). Glad to have new listers and equally glad you feel welcome. So, is it true you're actually Joni? (and that's how rumors start...) lots of love, Anne _________________________________________________________________ Espacio de almacenamiento siempre en crecimiento. Con Hotmail almacena 5GB y mas. Haci clic aqum http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/almacenamiento.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:45:56 -0300 From: Gina Del Piero Subject: suicide attempt? hey!! accidentally i came across this article on joni's claimed suicide attempt quoted by our public enemy, willie. many of you must be acquainted with this story, but for the rest of us, here it goes. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html#1 I wonder which are the gossip and the truth percentages and whether this was something joni would be likely to do back then, as there havent been any other episodes alike i know of... dont people who are bound to commit suicide attemps do so repeatedly? could we say joni's break up with Jackson Browne was the worst thing ever happened to her, or caught her in the middle of a crisis, and therefore "understand" this uncommon episode? take care gina _________________________________________________________________ Espacio de almacenamiento siempre en crecimiento. Con Hotmail almacena 5GB y mas. Haci clic aqum http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/almacenamiento.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:57:20 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: Me & The Mutt of My Planet On Safari Hi gang, Just wanted to add my compliments to Robin and Dave. Went outside in the sleet to check the mailbox with Amelia, the mutt of my private planet, and found to my delighted surprise that Safaris had already arrived. I put it on right away and Amelia joined me, sprawling, as she often does, in what appears to be an awkward position, her hind feet splayed out on the bed, and the rest of her body curving over my abdomen, this being her little way of saying "time for a tummy rub". Wonderful, beautiful album, guys. I especially liked Jungle Line (a toughie to do, and you nailed it), Help Me, Passion Play and Dreamland. A senior moment: As Jungle Line was closing, I was thinking damn, now I have to wake Amelia (no reflection on the music, tummy rubs have this effect on her) so I can flip the record over to side two. Just for a moment. Then I giggled, which woke her up anyway. Again, kudos, Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: thanks! njc Gina/Joni/Gina, I'm so glad to hear that you finally signed on and that you're enjoying the list. I don't think I'd want to kill myself either (unless I was dying anyway and in intractable pain) but, the main reason I want to keep on living is, I don't want to miss anything. There's just too much going on! ;-) Here's to you! ________________________________ From: Gina Del Piero To: anne@sandstrom.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 1:08:14 PM Subject: RE: thanks! njc anne, i took too long to answer because i was very busy trying to believe your rumour.. and im actually starting to.. so.. if you really want to know.. i just dont kill myself because i have too much fun reading these things you say about me, guys.. keep it up!! May your skies be blue, and your love blessed. Joni Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:22:24 +0000 From: anne@sandstrom.com To: gidelpiero@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: thanks! njc psst! Hey, Gina, you might want to start by asking the list what 3 questions they'd ask Joni. LOL So Welcome! This really is a great group (and I lurk way too much lately). Glad to have new listers and equally glad you feel welcome. So, is it true you're actually Joni? (and that's how rumors start...) lots of love, Anne __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Three questions Monika! Well done! Funniest thing I've read in a long time, and just the thing to lighten up an otherwise crappy day! So glad there was no food or drink in my mouth when I read that. ________________________________ From: Monika Bogdanowicz To: Willie Yanock ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 11:55:52 AM Subject: Re: Three questions Hey, great news! I managed to get in touch with Joni's people to get a hold of Joni and she answered these 3 questions! From Joni herself: (the answers) 1) What a great question. Probably Oprah. 2) We have a very teasing relationship. You wouldn't understand. 3) I'm immortal of course. - -M __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: suicide attempt? I remember reading about that in the "Girls like us" book.B I think that's the first place I ever heard about this.B It sounded very bizarre and un-Joni-like to me. I've copied below the blurb from the article: 'Weller writes: bOne confidante says b[Joni] took pills. She cut herself up and threw herself against a wall and got completely bloodied b glass broke. She vomited up the pills.bb' B Maybe I'm naive, but this sounded so NOT like something Joni would do that I found it hard to believe.B I suppose, as others have probably already mentioned, there are times that many of us feel like we don't want to live anymore and who knows what might have been going on for Joni at that time. So she could have been extremely depressed and distressed and maybe this was the straw that broke the camel's back.B I guess it's less the (apparent) suicide attempt and more the method that I found incredible.B I don't see her cutting herself up.B Somehow I think she has too much pride - not necessarily that evil type of Pride, but rather self-respect, in a way.B Maybe she'd take too many pills or get drunk or whatever, but honestly, I see her more as the type who would go after the other person - try to off Jackson instead of herself (the bastard!)B B I honestly didn't think her relationship with JB was that much of a big thing - however, I'll admit that I never paid a lot of attention to Joni's personal life and didn't try to figure out who any particular song was about, so a lot of information about her was unknown to me until I joined this list, whenever that was (ages ago.)B I would have thought the relationship with James Taylor was more of a big thing, and the one likely to upset her. I have no idea how long she was with Mr Brown.B B All this to say is that it sounds very gossippy to me and I'm not above gossip, but it doesn't ring true for me somehow.B Maybe I'm just in denial, but I'd prefer to see Joni going after Jackson with a meat cleaver or maybe a golf club than to hurt herself because of him. ________________________________ From: Gina Del Piero To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 4:45:56 PM Subject: suicide attempt? hey!! accidentally i came across this article on joni's claimed suicide attempt quoted by our public enemy, willie. many of you must be acquainted with this story, but for the rest of us, here it goes. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html#1 I wonder which are the gossip and the truth percentages and whether this was something joni would be likely to do back then, as there havent been any other episodes alike i know of... dont people who are bound to commit suicide attemps do so repeatedly? could we say joni's break up with Jackson Browne was the worst thing ever happened to her, or caught her in the middle of a crisis, and therefore "understand" this uncommon episode? take care gina _________________________________________________________________ Espacio de almacenamiento siempre en crecimiento. Con Hotmail almacena 5GB y mas. Haci clic aqum http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/almacenamiento.asp __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: suicide attempt? I have two issues with the topic of Joni's supposed suicide attempt. We all know, as Joni has admitted, that she struggled with depression around the time of Blue. That is no speculation. That being said, no happy-go-lucky person ever attempts suicide. Depression itself is very serious and some who are depressed do indeed attempt suicide. However, my first issue is the method of Joni's speculated suicide attempt. She took pills? Ok, there is nothing new there and some have been successful (odd choice of words here) in ending their life in that way. So Joni supposedly took pills, then cut herself up, and then threw herself against a wall? That is first off very violent which doesn't seem Joni like. Secondly, most people who try to kill themselves tend to take too many so hence end up vomiting the pills they take as stated. That being said, when you take too many pills of this kind, you pass out. You don't start gulping them down and then all of a sudden just throw up. So how then did Joni throw herself against a wall? If she did take pills and lose consciousness, she would have come to throwing up and as a result feeling very ill. So how could she do anything after that to constitute just one attempt? Not to mention, I don't think you could really ever throw yourself into a wall hard enough to actually kill yourself. Maybe but highly doubtful. Then when did Joni cut herself? Did she do that hours/days after the pills? It just doesn't add up. My other issue with the supposed suicide attempt is the blame on Joni and Jackson's relationship. Someone seriously depressed enough to attempt suicide would not have just one factor contributing to it. If this were true, would that have been a factor? Probably but I doubt it would be the sole reason. Everyone has shit relationships that break up but not everyone tries to kill themselves because of it. To blame it on one event or person is ridiculous. -M ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Gina Del Piero ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 5:12:34 PM Subject: Re: suicide attempt? I remember reading about that in the "Girls like us" book.B I think that's the first place I ever heard about this.B It sounded very bizarre and un-Joni-like to me. I've copied below the blurb from the article: 'Weller writes: bOne confidante says b[Joni] took pills. She cut herself up and threw herself against a wall and got completely bloodied b glass broke. She vomited up the pills.bb' B Maybe I'm naive, but this sounded so NOT like something Joni would do that I found it hard to believe.B I suppose, as others have probably already mentioned, there are times that many of us feel like we don't want to live anymore and who knows what might have been going on for Joni at that time. So she could have been extremely depressed and distressed and maybe this was the straw that broke the camel's back.B I guess it's less the (apparent) suicide attempt and more the method that I found incredible.B I don't see her cutting herself up.B Somehow I think she has too much pride - not necessarily that evil type of Pride, but rather self-respect, in a way.B Maybe she'd take too many pills or get drunk or whatever, but honestly, I see her more as the type who would go after the other person - try to off Jackson instead of herself (the bastard!)B B I honestly didn't think her relationship with JB was that much of a big thing - however, I'll admit that I never paid a lot of attention to Joni's personal life and didn't try to figure out who any particular song was about, so a lot of information about her was unknown to me until I joined this list, whenever that was (ages ago.)B I would have thought the relationship with James Taylor was more of a big thing, and the one likely to upset her. I have no idea how long she was with Mr Brown.B B All this to say is that it sounds very gossippy to me and I'm not above gossip, but it doesn't ring true for me somehow.B Maybe I'm just in denial, but I'd prefer to see Joni going after Jackson with a meat cleaver or maybe a golf club than to hurt herself because of him. ________________________________ From: Gina Del Piero To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 4:45:56 PM Subject: suicide attempt? hey!! accidentally i came across this article on joni's claimed suicide attempt quoted by our public enemy, willie. many of you must be acquainted with this story, but for the rest of us, here it goes. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html#1 I wonder which are the gossip and the truth percentages and whether this was something joni would be likely to do back then, as there havent been any other episodes alike i know of... dont people who are bound to commit suicide attemps do so repeatedly? could we say joni's break up with Jackson Browne was the worst thing ever happened to her, or caught her in the middle of a crisis, and therefore "understand" this uncommon episode? take care gina _________________________________________________________________ Espacio de almacenamiento siempre en crecimiento. Con Hotmail almacena 5GB y mas. Haci clic aqum http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/almacenamiento.asp __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:45:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: RE: thanks! njc Aha! I knew it LOL! Who knew that Joni's very existence rested on the shoulders of this humble group? lots of love, Anne On Mar 31, 2010, Gina Del Piero wrote: anne, i took too long to answer because i was very busy trying to believe your rumour.. and im actually starting to.. so.. if you really want to know.. i just dont kill myself because i have too much fun reading these things you say about me, guys.. keep it up!! May your skies be blue, and your love blessed. Joni Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:22:24 +0000 From: anne@sandstrom.com To: gidelpiero@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: thanks! njc psst! Hey, Gina, you might want to start by asking the list what 3 questions they'd ask Joni. LOL So Welcome! This really is a great group (and I lurk way too much lately). Glad to have new listers and equally glad you feel welcome. So, is it true you're actually Joni? (and that's how rumors start...) lots of love, Anne _________________________________________________________________ Espacio de almacenamiento siempre en crecimiento. Con Hotmail almacena 5GB y mas. Haci clic aqum http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/almacenamiento.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:24:16 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: suicide attempt? Hi Gina, Interesting find. But what source does this article quote? Sheila Weller's book. And what source or sources does Sheila Weller give for this story? To be fair, I haven't read the book, but I haven't read or heard anywhere that Weller does say where she got this story. And another thing. This part of the article kind of made me even more skeptical. At least of Roger Friedman's accuracy: If you're interested in more trivia, Weller picks up on a column item I reported here back on April 12, 2002: that the song "Coyote" was an ode to another of Mitchell's ex-lovers, playwright Sam Shepard. He's referred to in the lyrics as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." Who is referred to as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway."? I always assumed that Joni was referring to herself here. "You (the Coyote) just picked up a hitcher (Joni), a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway" (referring back to the hitcher, that is to Joni). Unless I've been mis-reading this one for 33 or so years. Which is entirely possible. I still have Joni epiphanies from time to time when a lyric will suddenly click in my head in an entirely new way. Mark in Seattle - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Del Piero" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:45 PM To: Subject: suicide attempt? > hey!! > > accidentally i came across this article on joni's claimed suicide attempt > quoted by our public enemy, willie. > > many of you must be acquainted with this story, but for the rest of us, > here > it goes. > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html#1 > > > > I wonder which are the gossip and the truth percentages > > and whether this was something joni would be likely to do back then, as > there > havent been any other episodes alike i know of... dont people who are > bound to > commit suicide attemps do so repeatedly? > > could we say joni's break up with Jackson Browne was the worst thing ever > happened to her, or caught her in the middle of a crisis, and therefore > "understand" this uncommon episode? > > > > take care > > gina > > _________________________________________________________________ > Espacio de almacenamiento siempre en crecimiento. Con Hotmail almacena 5GB > y > mas. Haci clic aqum > http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/almacenamiento.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: suicide attempt? The whole thing gives me a very weird visual, kind of like a scene from a cartoon featuring Wile E Coyote. In my head, I see someone scarfing down pills like it's going out of style, throwing herself against a wall and bouncing back, getting pissed off and trying it again and bouncing back again, and then grabbing something sharp, like maybe a broken beer bottle, and slashing at herself. I have to admit, I laughed when I read it, because of that weird visual, which I can't get out of my head. It doesn't make sense to me. ________________________________ From: Monika Bogdanowicz To: Catherine McKay ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 6:46:04 PM Subject: Re: suicide attempt? However, my first issue is the method of Joni's speculated suicide attempt. She took pills? Ok, there is nothing new there and some have been successful (odd choice of words here) in ending their life in that way. So Joni supposedly took pills, then cut herself up, and then threw herself against a wall? That is first off very violent which doesn't seem Joni like. Secondly, most people who try to kill themselves tend to take too many so hence end up vomiting the pills they take as stated. That being said, when you take too many pills of this kind, you pass out. You don't start gulping them down and then all of a sudden just throw up. So how then did Joni throw herself against a wall? If she did take pills and lose consciousness, she would have come to throwing up and as a result feeling very ill. So how could she do anything after that to constitute just one attempt? Not to mention, I don't think you could really ever throw yourself into a wall hard enough to actually kill yourself. Maybe but highly doubtful. Then when did Joni cut herself? Did she do that hours/days after the pills? It just doesn't add up. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:18:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: suicide attempt? I've always thought the prisoner of the white lines was Joni too. So maybe we're both wrong. ________________________________ From: Mark To: Gina Del Piero ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 9:24:16 PM Subject: Re: suicide attempt? Hi Gina, Interesting find. But what source does this article quote? Sheila Weller's book. And what source or sources does Sheila Weller give for this story? To be fair, I haven't read the book, but I haven't read or heard anywhere that Weller does say where she got this story. And another thing. This part of the article kind of made me even more skeptical. At least of Roger Friedman's accuracy: If you're interested in more trivia, Weller picks up on a column item I reported here back on April 12, 2002: that the song "Coyote" was an ode to another of Mitchell's ex-lovers, playwright Sam Shepard. He's referred to in the lyrics as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." Who is referred to as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway."? I always assumed that Joni was referring to herself here. "You (the Coyote) just picked up a hitcher (Joni), a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway" (referring back to the hitcher, that is to Joni). Unless I've been mis-reading this one for 33 or so years. Which is entirely possible. I still have Joni epiphanies from time to time when a lyric will suddenly click in my head in an entirely new way. Mark in Seattle __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. 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